DeLorean Mailing List - 11/15/96
dmcnews-digest Friday, 15 November 1996 Volume 02 : Number 195
In this issue:
Legalities of DMC.
Re: DMC logo
Classic Car Insurance on the Net...
Fan Output
Re: DMC logo
Delorean in Simpsons
Simpsons
Re: Fan Output
Re: air flow / Simpsons
Crossover pipe and exhaustmanifolds
Re: Spin Out, DMC (BTTF)
"Disbelief? Where we're going we don't need disbelief!"
Cooling Fans do NOT come on.
Power Window stopped!!
Re: Spin out,DMC
Re: Spin Out, DMC (BTTF)
dmc books
Re: Dash/Console Clock
dmc books
Re: Cooling Fans do NOT come on
Re: Spin out,DMC
Re: Spin out,DMC
That "spin-out" was no special effect !
Inappropriate Chatter
Re: Cooling fans / stuck window
BTTF Car
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From: Devil-Wolf Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:03:42
-0800
Subject: Legalities of DMC.
I had wondered the same thing, myself... A while back I was driving througha
little housing development near Island Lake here in Kitsap County Washington.
I drove by a large sign and happened to glance at it, sufficed to say I came
to a quick halt and zipped around for another look.
On the sign were the large silver letters DMC. I soon realized that this was
a housing development and construction company, I believe...
Since the lettering was a standard courier type font, an abreviation for the
company name, and did not have the look of the DMC emblem we carry, certainly
is exempt from trademark laws, if any remain for DMC. Other then that, I
don't believe there are any legal roadblocks in regards to using the acronym
DMC.
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From: Dan Baisley Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:33:48
-0500
Subject: Re: DMC logo
>I saw some thing in a craft store, it was a wooden box and it had DMC on it.
Is DMC copyrighted? Or can people use the letters DMC on a company name without
permission?
On a related note, a few months ago I saw a sign that I could have sworn was a
DMC logo on a warehouse in south Atlanta. I looked up DMC in an online yellow
pages and found a company called DMC Atlanta at that location. I called, and it
turned out that their DMC stood for Diesel Motor Conversions, nothing to do with
Delorean. I should swing by and see how close to the real DMC logo it is.
Just in case someone was interested..
Dan Baisley.
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From: Scott Sykes
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 22:36:34 -0500
Subject: Classic Car Insurance on the Net...
Here are some companies specializing in classic car insurance. They all have web
sites.
Condon & Skelly
1-800-257-9496
http://www.condonskelly.com/ - has online rates
American Collectors Insurance
1 (800) 360-2277 (8:30 am - 4:30 pm, EST) 24-hour Fax: (609) 779-7289
http://www.classicar.com/vendors/acins/acins.htm
Haggerty Classic Insurance
1.800.922.4050
http://www.hagerty.com/
This list is neither an endorsement or recommendation.
I just wanted to distribute some information to the group.
Scott Sykes (vin #00577)
ssykes@rsabbs.com
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From: Jason Winter
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 21:39:28 -0600
Subject: Fan Output
I have just completed a radiator change(along with all the hoses) and put in a
new blower motor for the AC(the old one is shot). When I got the new motor
hooked up and running, there was little airflow through the vents. Is there
anything I can do to get more air flow?
This is my second month of being a DeLorean owner. I am very pleased with the
car. I still cannot believe the attention it gets. I just about had the whole
block over when I was changing the radiator this last weekend. Anyway, I would
appreciate any help on my airflow problem...
Jason Winter
winter@onramp.net
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From: James Espey
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 20:30:40 -0700
Subject: Re: DMC logo
>On a related note, a few months ago I saw a sign that I could have sworn was a
DMC logo on a warehouse in south Atlanta. I looked up DMC in an online
I may have mentioned this once before, but for any snow-skiers out there, mot
osnow grooming equipment is manufactured by Logan Manufacturing Company, and
logo on the front if its equipment is LMC, just like the DeLorean logo. John Z.
used to own Logan, the story goes that he bought Logan with some of the missing
DeLorean Motor Company millions. He sold Logan about two years ago.
James
"Give me the strength to change the things I can, the grace to accept the
things I cannot, and a great big bag of money."
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From: ShrtCrt@aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 01:16:08 -0500
Subject: Delorean in Simpsons
Just thought everyone would like to know that the episode with Troy Mclure
having his D was on and the episode number is 3F15, if that helps.
Justin Holman
Future owner
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From: jason74@juno.com (Jason T Brown)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 06:35:51 PST
Subject: Simpsons
I just saw a delorean on the simpsons! Remeber when yall talked about the
delorean on it. This is the episode. What a surprise! I was just flipping and I
turned it to the simpsons and one second later the delorean was on there.
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From: "Marvin S. Sterling" Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996
03:41:04 -0800
Subject: Re: Fan Output
Jason Winter wrote:
>I have just completed a radiator change(along with all the hoses) and put in
a new blower motor for the AC(the old one is shot). When I got the new motor
hooked up and running, there was little airflow through the vents. Is there
anything I can do to get more air flow?
_________________________________divider
Jason,
Two things possible ... check to make sure that the blower is running in the
right direction. Switch the terminals and see what happens. If this is not the
problem then check the middle duct connection, above the radio ... in many cases
a prior radio repair or change of radio either will kink the duct or disconnect
it entirely, in either case the airflow will be totally screwed up. You will
have to remove (very carefully) the center airflow directors to check the
connection. Best regards,
Marv Sterling
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From: Mike Substelny Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:18:42
-0500
Subject: Re: air flow / Simpsons
Jason Winter wrote:
>When I got the new motor hooked up and running, there was little airflow
through the vents. Is there anything I can do to get more air flow?
As Marv said, it is very common for a new blower to be spinning backwards due
to reversed polarity! The symptoms are just like you describe. Check the back
issues of the DML for details.
Justin Holman said:
>. . . the episode with Troy Mclure having his D was on and the episode number
is 3F15. . .
Thanks, Justin! I've been looking for that episode for a long time. Does anyone
know how I can find out what episode number my local station is currently
showing?
- -Mike Substelny
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From: andreas@tradesoft.se
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:37:47 GMT
Subject: Crossover pipe and exhaustmanifolds
Hello
Does anyone know if the crossover pipe and the exhaustmanifolds are standard
Volvo B28F parts?
Regards
Andreas the Swede
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From: malevy@lucent.com
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:29:43 +0100
Subject: Re: Spin Out, DMC (BTTF)
How would a remote control Delorean with a 5 speed shift?
You must suspend your belief in reality when you watch a movie....
Anyway, Saw a Lexus, or some other modern luxury car on Rt 18 a few weeks ago
with the license plate of "DMC" Anyone know who this is?
Marc
malevy@lucent.com
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From: Mike Substelny Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:37:31
-0500
Subject: "Disbelief? Where we're going we don't need disbelief!"
>How would a remote control Delorean with a 5 speed shift?
Einstien is actually quite skilled with five speed transmissions. Sometimes he
slobbers on the shift lever, though. :-)
- -Mike Substelny
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From: Blarness@aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:25:32 -0500
Subject: Cooling Fans do NOT come on
My cooling fans used to come on as soon
as I turned the key to the RUN position.
Now they don't come on AT ALL. Idling in city traffic is "hot". About 220
acording to the gauge. I end up driving with the heat on to keep it cool when
I'm sitting for long periods. Otherwise it stay quite cool.
What should I be looking for because I have no blown fuses in the block. Help.
Thanks,
- -C2
#3876
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From: Blarness@aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:25:42 -0500
Subject: Power Window stopped!!
The other day I opened the passenger window about an inch and that's all the
farther it has moved since! It will not go up or down.
When I push the button the lights on the dash dim ever-so-slightly indicating
that there IS in fact electricity flowing but the window shows NO sign of
budging. Not even as if the servos are moving. The window makes NO movement
or noise at all.
It does not seem to be off track but who knows, it's only down an inch.
Please help me which familiar cases, advise... anything.
Thanks,
- -C2
#3876
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From: Blarness@aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:25:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Spin out,DMC
>>Can a Delorean actually Spin out like it did in BTTF?
Hollywood's amazing isn't it?
- -C2
#3876
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From: raddad@cmn.net (Dick Ryan)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:18:32 -0700
Subject: Re: Spin Out, DMC (BTTF)
>Anyway, Saw a Lexus, or some other modern luxury car on Rt 18 a few weeks ago
with the license plate of "DMC" Anyone know who this is?
>Marc
>malevy@lucent.com
How about Doris Marie Clark (or if a really expensive car, Dirty Money
Cocaine)?? Surely eveything with DMC on it does not have to be associated with
the DMC 12.
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From: Widdomaker@aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:38:25 -0500
Subject: dmc books
how much additional information does the second series (DMC Gold Portfolio?)
have over the 1st on The Delorean 1977-93 put out by Brookland Books?
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From: stormrider@socketis.net (Chase Clark) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 01:01:57
-0600
Subject: Re: Dash/Console Clock
>I am looking for the impossible. I have an early '81 car (#1049) with the
clock on the console (not in the radio like the later cars). My clock works
perfectly fine except that the internal peg for setting the minutes is broken.
I am wondering if there is anybody out there who has a broken clock that I
could buy.
Web:
The clock in my '81 DeLorean works fine except for that 4 hour jump into the
future it took once last spring during a huge thunderstorm. My Alpine stereo
also has a digital clock so it seems silly to have both. I've been planning
on removing the dash clock and installing a cruise control console in the same
area. If you want, we can just swap clocks and all will be fine with yours
again!?!
Let me know either way. I've got to get into that area within a month anyway
to replace the climate control switch (or have it rebuilt at least).
~ Chase
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From: Widdomaker@aol.com
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:51:25 -0500
Subject: dmc books
How much different is the book The Delorean 1977-93 (Brookland Books) from
the 2nd version (Gold Portfolio?)
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From: James Espey
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 07:48:33 -0800
Subject: Re: Cooling Fans do NOT come on
>My cooling fans used to come on as soon as I turned the key to the RUN
position.
This is not right. They should only come on after the car has reached a
certain temperature or when the AC is on. Do your fans come on when the AC
is on? On my car (and most I've seen), the point at which the fans "kick in"
is about one needle width above the mark that would seem to be 160 (between
the bottom and the 220 mark).
That the fans use o run all the time leads me to believe that perhaps the
thermo time switch may have been bypassed with a jumper which would make
the fans run all the time. In Nashville, we had to perform this mod to a
guys car when his fans quit. You might also check the relay compartment...
has the blue relay in the lower left corner been replaced with a jumper?
If so, is the jumper in good condition (connections, etc?). My jumper
actually melted at one point. Is it a fused jumper? If so, check those fuses,
too. If you still have the blue relay in there, they are notorious for
failure. This is why the fused jumper came along.
Let me know if you need more information or have other questions.
James
Everytime I think the world is moving so fast, I go to the post office.
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From: jason74@juno.com (Jason T Brown)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 04:55:07 PST
Subject: Re: Spin out,DMC
I don't mean sitting there with the tires spinning. Like regular spinning
out. Like on a mustang where you can give it gas and it will spin out. Like
at the end where marty is getting ready to go back to the future and he gets
in the car and when he reaches the line where he starts from he spins around
and the tires still spin.
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From: ausmith@pdx.oneworld.com
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:15:44 +0000
Subject: Re: Spin out,DMC
>To: dmcnews@world.std.com
>Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 04:55:07 PST
>Subject: Re: Spin out,DMC
>From: jason74@juno.com (Jason T Brown)
>Reply-to: dmcnews@world.std.com
>I don't mean sitting there with the tires spinning. Like regular spinning
out. Like on a mustang where you can give it gas and it will spin out. Like
at the end where marty is getting ready to go back to the future and he gets
in the car and when he reaches the line where he starts from he spins around
and the tires still spin.
Who gives a damn? This whole line belongs on the BTTF page or somewhere else!
Chris
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From: Mike Substelny Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:44:06
-0500
Subject: That "spin-out" was no special effect !
>Like at the end where marty is getting ready to go back to the future and he
gets in the car and when he reaches the line where he starts from he spins
around and the tires still spin.
I believe the answer is *yes* a DeLorean can do that. A good driver can make
some very creative maneuvers with a DeLorean because of its unique tires,
brakes, and weight bias.
According to "Motor Trend" in June, 1981, (reprinted in "The DeLorean
1977-1993" on p44):
"Predictably, when (DeLorean brake) lockup does occur, it's front wheels
first . . ."
Thus I am sure I could perform that turn with my unmodified DeLorean,
whipping the rear end around with the back tires spinning the whole time.
But I would never attempt it while sober, and I would never succeed while
drunk!
- -Mike Substelny
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From: "Don Gowler-CFPO01" Date: Thu, 14 Nov
1996 16:54:00 -0600
Subject: Inappropriate Chatter
I have to agree with Chris, who wrote that this whole discussion on 'spinning
wheels' belongs elsewhere. Lets make James' job a lot easier and keep the DML
focused on the DeLoreans maintenance and Marque enhancement through
discussions of relevant events and activities. Sorting through the messages
to find the 'meat' in the DML is getting tedious and it need not be that way.
Best regards, The Silver Fox
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From: Mike Substelny Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:09:22
-0500
Subject: Re: Cooling fans / stuck window
COOLING FANS
>My cooling fans used to come on as soon as I turned the key to the RUN
position.
>Now they don't come on AT ALL.
Actually, neither one of these is correct. Your fans should come on when
the engine is hot. If the fans run all the time it will take longer for your
car to reach operating temperature, which hurts fuel economy and increases
engine wear (although both effects are very small). It also puts an extra
strain on your alternator, which can be significant if you have the Dulcillier
unit. Perhaps someone bypassed the temperature sensor in the driver's side
lower coolant hose (beside the engine).
The "no fans at all" situation should be repaired immediately. When this
happened to my car, it was caused by the fan fail bypass wires coming loose.
There are numerous references to this bypass in the DML back issues. It is
made of three spade connectors and two fuses. It sits in the forward-most
relay socket furthest to the passenger's side of the car.
It is important to get the connections correct within the relay socket. The
"common" spade connector slides into the center slot toward the front of the
car. One of the fused spade connectors goes to the right slot, the other goes
to the left. All other slots are empty.
STUCK WINDOW
>The other day I opened the passenger window about an inch and that's all the
farther it has moved since!
The same thing happened to me once, and I was terrified. I thought I would
need to disassemble the door. Yuck!
Luckily it was just some tarnish inside my rocker switch. The tarnish
increased the resistance so much that even though the circuit drew lots of
power the motor didn't get enought to move. (Note that running with so much
resistance in the circuit puts a lot of strain on an electric motor. I have
a theory that this is why so many DeLorean window motors die prematurely.
Everyone should clean their contacts!)
The quickest test is to temporarily swap the two window switches. They just
snap out. If you can close your passenger window with the driver's switch,
then all you need to do is clean out the contacts. Otherwise, it's door
disassembly time. :-(
If you do get inside the door, the first thing to do is check to be sure the
motor is actually getting power. You don't want to buy / install a new motor
unless you absolutely need one. The problem could be in the wiring.
- -Mike Substelny
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From: Scott Tester Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996
00:08:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: BTTF Car
Sorry if "GOD FORBID" we talk about Back to the Future but I have a comment
to make! In the scenes where the car is controlled by Doc I have thought of
a possability of shifting the 5-speed via the RC. If you were to mount multiple
servo units on the shifter and have one hydrolic servo on the clutch. The
servo on the clutch could be controlled by a variable resistor on the RC.
While a shifter like switch could be mounted to the bottom of the RC.
Therefore giving Doc the ability to shift and control the clutch in a
variation of complicated movements. The gas and brake could be controlled
by more servo's mounted to the upper part of the footspace. Also controlled
by the RC using the front and back movements of the joystick. What confuses
me is why on BTTF Doc pushes the joystick to the right and the car goes
backwards. I guess thats just the way it was set up. Of coarse you could
just get an Automatic DeLorean and not worry about any of this. I just try
to figure out things like that for fun. Once again sorry if I have
disturbed any of the mailing list recipiants or operators!!
Scott Tester testersd@appstate.campus.mci.net
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