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Tuesday, November 4 1997 Volume 03 : Number 299
In this issue:
DML: New Owner & Member
DML: For sale: 81, gray, 5-speed
Re: DML: Details of fuel gauge sender seepage
Re: DML: Fuel pump leak -> maybe not the pump?
Re: DML: Fwd: re:new owner
DML: DMC for sale In Queensland
DML: PRV V6
DML: Quicktime commercial
DML: DeLorean model status
DML: DeLorean Models
DML: more on fuel gauge sender seepage
Re: DML: Re: Cheap DMC's and how I got mine
Re: DML: Quicktime commercial
DML: Goodbye, Columbus?
DML: Re: Goodbye, Columbus?
Re: DML: Quicktime commercial
DML: DMC Value drop? (WAS: Cheap DMC's)
Re: DML: Goodbye, Columbus?
[none]
Re: DML: Quicktime commercial
DML: vin 794
Re: DML: DMC Value drop? (WAS: Cheap DMC's)
Re: DML: Goodbye, Columbus?
DML: vin 794
Re: DML: Quicktime commercial
Re: DML: more on fuel gauge sender seepage
DML: Looking for NJ DMC Owner, Plates - Awsum1
Re[2]: DML: Cheap DMCs
DML: DeLorean Commercials. Does Anyone Have Taco Bell?
Re: DML: more on fuel gauge sender seepage
DML: I'm tired of seeing Cheap DeLoreans as a subject
DML: Is the DeLorean a "Couples Car?"
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:31:49 -0800
From: Wilson_Leong@amat.com
Subject: DML: New Owner & Member
Hi Everyone!
Six weeks ago I came across a very clean 81, VIN 2609, Automatic,
Black Interior, 25K miles, perfect body and interior, all the upgrades
done by DeLorean One. It has new tires, new shocks, brass radiator,
fan-fail jumpers, Bosch relays, new headliner, seatcovers, binnacle,
repainted facia, louvers, engine cover, battery, and complete 30K mile
service work done by D-One. It appears to have the original Duce
alternator, unfortunately. I wasn't too sure if I wanted to be a "D"
owner until I found this huge amount of activity and experience base
on the net--I immediately bought it. I want to thank everyone who are
active and encourage lurkers to become active because it encourages
more people to participate and further the knowledge base.
I had a lot of questions answered by researching the DML. I have read
every posting in the archives, looked at the 'Zine', and looked up
other club sites. I think I have purchased a good car. I invite
other DMLers to inquire about my car, and particularly any other local
owners to contact me to compare cars and tips. I live in the San
Francisco Bay Area.
I spent the first 2 weeks looking over the car and taking care of
minor bugs. First, I had to re-charge the A/C, no big deal. I want
to change engine oil and filter, is there anyone out there that wants
to sell an oil plug wrench? Second, I was wondering if anyone could
tell me how the seat-back should be attached. My seats have new
covers and backs, and the backs seem to be clipped at the top and
sides and there are screws at the bottom. The screws don't seem to be
any holes in the seatback support tubing for these screws. Next, one
of the driver's side electrical switches that controls the door ajar
light on the dash seems to require a lot of tweaking. The rubber tip
is present, but requires constant tweaking/bending. I have replaced
the rubber tip with a longer piece of tubing but that isn't the
ultimate solution either. And last question, is there a special trick
to attach the plastic trim/bezel that surrounds the door lock/mirror
controls? Both sides seem to be chronically loose and don't want to
stay put. These are the only problems I have with the car. Are you
folks out there amazed?
The bottom of the car is surprisingly clean, no dirt, rust, or dings.
I want to find out more about showing the car. It isn't concourse
condition, so does anyone know if what kinds of shows I can enter,
when and where?
Again, thanks for the info, write me soon.
Wilson Leong
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:52:19 -0600
From: Kevin Wolter
Subject: DML: For sale: 81, gray, 5-speed
Well, as of a week ago, I am now married. So it is time to look into =
parting with the D in search of another vehicle that would qualify as a =
family car since I can't quite convince my wife that a DeLorean "really =
is a family car" :^).
So here are the quick specs: '81, #6810, gray, 5-speed, 41,000 miles, =
daily driver but stored in the winter, great condition. I am asking =
$15,000 for it. If interested, I can email some pictures that I scanned =
in from a few months ago.
To contact me at home is (217) 762-4361, work (217) 356-1884, or email =
kwolter@micropace.com. I am located in Champaign Illinois (central-west =
area of the state) if you would like to take a look at it or know =
somebody in the area that you could have look at it for you.
- - Kevin Wolter
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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1986 02:19:02 -0800
From: "lseiler@radiance.com"
Subject: Re: DML: Details of fuel gauge sender seepage
At 02:54 PM 10/31/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Rob Hook said (about his leaky sender unit gasket):
>
>> It turns out there's a small tab in the sending unit that goes through a
>> cut-out on the circular gasket and into a slot in the top of the fuel tank.
>> The unit was installed improperly and the tab did not line up.
>
>> P.S. If you can't quite picture what I'm talking about . . .
>
>I can picture exactly what you are saying, Rob, as I have taken my
>sender out and put it back in. My gasket is installed properly and it
>seals very well.
>
>The seepage I described in my earlier post is through the electrical
>connections on the top of the sender. It is JUST A FEW DROPS oozing
>out along the wires. To observe it, I need to fill the tank and the
>filler tube to the top, then sit and watch the sender unit for several
>minutes. Eventually I can see tiny drops of gas forming on the top of
>the sender.
>
>Now that I have put epoxy over the electrical connections the seepage
>is a very, very small quantity of gasoline. But it is still enough
>for my fiancee to smell gas fumes!
>
>It looks like my sender's electrical connections were sealed badly
>right from the factory. Has anyone else observed this, or is mine the
>only one?
>
>- Mike Substelny
>
reply:
Hi mike,
Yes and No........Mine does not leak but I do smell gas after a fill
up.
Because the fill is directly in front of the cabin air intake grill
it's only natural to expect smelling fumes aftere a fule up. I found
that extream care is required when filling, to prevent as much as
possible spilling any gas. I have a clean rag to wipe up even the
smallest amounts that might spill. Plus I use a paper towel (sic)
first to catch any drips from the station pump nozzel.
The smell usually is gone 10 minutes. I have a soft felt "washer" 4
inches thick that I fit over the fill neck and cap after a fill up to
soak up any gas I might miss. It never seems to have the smell of gas
so may not be doing anything?
From long experance in using plastice and long chain poly-mers' The
only way I can see that there could be any seepage is if the repair
failed. May I suggest you grind away the new epoxy and clean to bear
metal the various parts and do it over. I suggest that you use a
product available in your local hardware store called " Plumber's
Epoxy Putty". This is inspite of it's appearance and marketing venue a
very high quality material and used right the very best choice. Be
sure that you have "bear shiney metal with a ruffened (sic) surface"
warm the area with a hair dryer...I mean warm not hot! and follow the
package instructions, be sure that you "mold and press the soft green
epoxy into the final shape ASAP. You should use rubber gloves in the
mixing and initial application then for a nice smooth professional
"look" take off gloves wet a finger and " polish with wet finger" the
epoxy will become as smooth as glass. The warm metal will liguify the
epoxy at the molecule level and bond to the metal, to do it right,
clean, clean, clean and it will never leak!
Lee
VIN#5729
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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:49:01 -0500 (EST)
From: JSteuben@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Fuel pump leak -> maybe not the pump?
Hi Mike, I have 'tankzilla' and I'm very happy with the unit. the
only time that I
smell gas in the passenger compartment is if I spill when I fill.
It's very good
advice NOT to top off. Every time I've been tempted, and that's lots
of times
with the 13.5 cell, I get blasted when the gas expands. Regards, Joe
~~~:>])
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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:56:01 -0500 (EST)
From: JSteuben@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Fwd: re:new owner
Welcome! I highly recommend that you check-out the website for the
DOA. www.delorean-owners.org. While they may seem pricey, a complete
set of the back issues of DeLorean World is your best source for all
the 'do's and don'ts' for your car. Congratulations, you stole one,
now get it up-and-running,
and enjoy! Joe, :>})
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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 12:30:59 +1100
From: "Troy R. Haslewood"
Subject: DML: DMC for sale In Queensland
I called the guy that was selling the DeLorean on the Gold Coast in
Queensland, Aust. and he said that the ad in the Gold Coast
classifieds had been there for a while but he never got any inquiries
concerning the car. So he traded it in at a BMW dealer for $30,000.
BTW, he says that the story about a little girl winning a DMC12 in a
BTTF competition wasn't true. He also said that the Premier of Western
Australia had a couple of DeLoreans in his private collection, but
after he died they were auctioned off and are nowhere to be found.
Troy R. Haslewood
Sydney, Australia
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:05:00 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
From: Jim Lill
Subject: DML: PRV V6
Hello All...
I'm new to the list (was on once before) and am not a DeLorean owner
but am very interested in the PRV V6. As you may know, variants of
that motor were used in the DeLorean, (P)eugeot, (R)enualt, and
(V)olvo. Less well known applications include the Alpine, Eagle
Premier, Dodge Monaco, Citroen, and Venturi. I've compiled a chart of
all the applications along with useful specs, see:
http://www.vectorbd.com/users/jpl/v6.html
I'm always on the look-out for related info and in particular sources
of "Speed Parts".
I noted in the DMCnews archive questions about building new motors.
That sort of thing is possible. A good place to start is to find a
"beat-up" Chrysler product with the 2975cc version and familiarize
yourself with what "looks the same". Those cars when "beat" go for
pretty low bucks so a cheap way to learn more, plus you end up with
parts!!
200 hp without having to turbocharge is certainly possible. 2849cc
Peugeots in Europe were making 170 hp (no cat).
Now a question:
I see that Centerforce makes a clutch for Deloreans. Does anyone have
a Renault or something part number for the original?
- -Jim Lill http://www.vectorbd.com/users/jpl
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:16:16 -0500 (EST)
From: TGraham999@aol.com
Subject: DML: Quicktime commercial
Does anyone still have a copy of that DMC commercial on a server? I
am looking for that file in any format.
Thanks
Travis
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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 22:40:54 -0600 (CST)
From: Alan Chen
Subject: DML: DeLorean model status
Hi, i'm new to the newsgroup, and i was just wondering if anyone new
of where I could purchase a small model of the DeLorean. I'm not
looking for anything specific, and even a model of the Back To The
Future version would be great. Please let me know if anyone has info
on this. Thanks
Al
MODERATOR'S NOTE: There has been a lot of discussion on this in past
issues. Please check out the back issues of the mailing list for
information on DeLorean models.
Knut
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 97 0:05:55 MST
From: "Cadet Jeff Phillips, x4300"
Subject: DML: DeLorean Models
To anyone who is looking for a DeLorean model here is a company in
Japan who still sells the three movie versions individually. The
price is about $12.95USD + shipping. They are the so called "donor
model"
needed for the reproduced models that were being sold on the list.
http://www.iac.co.jp/~hlj/pages/aoshima/aos19627.html
Jeff Phillips
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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 11:02:03 -0500
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: more on fuel gauge sender seepage
Lee said:
> May I suggest you grind away the new epoxy and clean to bear
> metal the various parts and do it over. Be sure that you
> have "bear shiney metal with a ruffened (sic) surface" warm
> the area with a hair dryer...I mean warm not hot! The warm metal
> will liguify the epoxy at the molecule level and bond to the metal, to
> do it right, clean, clean, clean and it will never leak!
Lee, the problem is not bonding to the metal, but to the polyethylene
in the lid of the sender unit. The electronic leads go through holes
in the lid. The seal between the leads and the plastic is passable,
but not good enough to keep fumes in.
I agree that it is a BAD idea to top off a DeLorean, and I never do it
anymore. I was only trying to give a detailed, physical explanation
of my reason. I think that no matter what I do I will always get some
fumes venting through that lid. Too bad, since this makes my luggage
smell faintly like gasoline and it drives my fiancee crazy.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:19:37 -0500
From: "Michael E. Gaines"
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Cheap DMC's and how I got mine
>Miek said...
>>I can't agree with you there. I got my car in September of 1996 for
>>$11,900
>>and only had to put $1k into it. The car's been running flawlessly since
>>Rob fixed it up. Over time I put another $2k into it and I'm selling it
>>for
>>$15k. I think it's a deal.
>
>I rest my case in a way again. The car has had $14,900 invested in it.
>Just short of my $15,000 predicition.
>
>Chase
No, Chase. I said that I _only_ had to put $1k into it after I bought
it. The $2k extra were for things that happened AFTER I got it running
such as a new water pump, new tires, new CD player, new shocks. These
are items that failed after I took it to Rob's. If you asked me in
October of '96 how much I spent to have a D in good shape I would have
answered "$12,900".
Mike
MODERATOR'S NOTE: This thread is starting to get worn out.
Knut
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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:32:28 -0700
From: "Aaron Barrus" To: dmcnews@world.std.com
Subject: Re: DML: Quicktime commercial
It's on http://www.lightvalve.de/dmc/
Close to the bottom of the page is "Orginal TV Werbespot USA". I
think this is what you're looking for.
If you cannot find it or cannot download it, I can email it to you
also.
Aaron
>>> 11/02 6:16 PM >>>
Does anyone still have a copy of that DMC commercial on a server?
I=20 am looking for that file in any format.
Thanks
Travis
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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 14:08:36 -0500
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Goodbye, Columbus?
It looked to me like the event hosted by DMC Houston this past weekend
in Columbus, Ohio was very well attended. Due to a pressing
commitment on Saturday I could not make my appearance until Sunday,
so I may have been the last to arrive. I think when I signed the
guest book my name was on about page six! That seems like an
indication of a fantastic turnout!
I brought my future father-in-law with me to Columbus. He is quite
the classic car buff himself (his marque of choice is Mercedes). He
was very impressed to see the huge supply of parts that will help keep
DeLoreans on the road for generations to come. He came away with a
new appreciation of the viability of DeLorean ownership.
Naturally for me it was good to see all the parts in the warehouse
again. This was my third time there, and prowling around in the
warehouse
was never so much fun. Stephen, Warren, Leif, and the rest of the DMC
staff obviously spent a lot of time spreading things out to make them
easier to see and find. I was in DeLorean heaven!
Every other row in the warehouse seemed to be filled with brand new
DeLorean engines and transmissions. Every third row seemed to be
filled with stainless steel doors. As I marveled at the orderly
legions of parts, I heard Stephen Wynn give the best quip of the day:
"See this
engine? It will go into the DeLorean race car I'm building. I'll
take it onto the track and see if I can use up a few of those doors!"
Everyone told me I missed all the best events because most of the
people were there Saturday. But I can tell you about a few of the
people I saw Sunday . . .
It was great to meet a few more DMLers there. I enjoyed a long chat
with Chase Clark, who brought his sharp red DeLorean to the
warehouse. Poor Web Bixby spent the day in that chilly, drafty
building without a jacket (but someone else should tell that story,
since it started Saturday night . . .).
Jerry Rine was there. He was the technical guy at the warehouse in
the Kapac days. It's always good to talk to Jerry, and he was excited
about participating in possible future technical events with the DCO
in central Ohio.
Rob Grady was there from PJ Grady. He had a specific shopping list in
the warehouse, and he seemed to be the busiest guy there.
DML founder / regular moderator James Espey was there. James and I
had one of those little adventures that could only happen at the
warehouse. We were walking along past some cases of blem parts
removed at the California QAC in 1981 when James happened to spot a
certain rear-view mirror.
"Hey, Mike" he said, "isn't that your VIN?"
He took the mirror from the top of the pile. A masking tape label
indicated that this mirror had been removed from car #1280 in July of
1981.
"Holy smokes, James, that IS my VIN !"
Turning the mirror in my hands, I marveled for a moment. From May to
July of 1981 that very mirror had been hanging on my windshield. MY
windshield!
My father-in-law-to-be sensed the excitement and immediately took the
mirror to Warren at the front desk and bought it for me. What a guy!
I can't imagine a more unique bit of memorabilia for my coffee table.
If any DODers ever take advantage of the coffee, conversation, or bed
at my
place be sure to look for the #1280 mirror to be displayed
prominently!
We marveled at plenty of other things that day. The technical
drawings for the DeLorean, production documentation, and various other
factory documents were very interesting. James wished he could spend
a
week. Near the end of the day a small group gathered to hear Marvin
Katz tell of the early days when he first acquired the DeLorean parts
inventory.
As far as I know everything DMC sold that day was at the regular
price. The point of going to the warehouse was to see the sheer size
of the inventory, to temp myself with goodies I didn't know I needed,
to visit with other DeLorean owners, and to meet characters like Leif
Montin (someone who went to the nightclub Saturday night needs to fill
in here).
Naturally rumors were running rampant, and since the Internet is the
high octane rumor fuel of the 21st century I shall repeat one of them
here.
Rumor: no firm date has been set for moving the parts from Columbus
to Houston, so it is _possible_ that this event will be repeated next
spring. If this rumor turns out to be true then I encourage everyone
with any interest in DeLoreans to go out of your way to attend!
(If it's not true then shame on you for paying attention to rumors.)
Now, could we please hear from someone who was there for the whole
weekend?
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:52:32 -0500
From: "Htos Drol"
Subject: DML: Re: Goodbye, Columbus?
- ----------
> From: Mike Substelny
> To: dmcnews-outgoing@world.std.com
> Subject: DML: Goodbye, Columbus?
> Date: Monday, November 03, 1997 2:08 PM
>
> It looked to me like the event hosted by DMC Houston this past weekend
> in Columbus, Ohio was very well attended. Due to a pressing
> commitment on Saturday I could not make my appearance until Sunday,
> so I may have been the last to arrive. I think when I signed the
> guest book my name was on about page six! That seems like an
> indication of a fantastic turnout
>
(SNIP)
Saturday was a good day to tour the warehouse. Perhaps we lucked out
by showing up just after noon when most of the group had left for
lunch. That way we had the warehouse mostly to ourselves to browse. My
girlfriend, who tried everything she could not to go, had the best
time and really enjoyed scouring the bins for oddball stuff.
We had the chance to speak with the guy from DMC Houston and he said
there is no set date for moving the stock to Texas. (Can't remember
his name off hand) However, I hope to make it back before they move
out !
>
> Rumor: no firm date has been set for moving the parts from Columbus
> to Houston, so it is _possible_ that this event will be repeated next
> spring. If this rumor turns out to be true then I encourage everyone
> with any interest in DeLoreans to go out of your way to attend!
>
> (If it's not true then shame on you for paying attention to rumors.)
>
> Now, could we please hear from someone who was there for the whole
> weekend?
>
> - Mike Substelny
Dave :)
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:38:53 EST
From: NJP548
Subject: Re: DML: Quicktime commercial
Hey All,
Does anyone know of any actual T.V. commercial that had a dealer and
the DeLorean in it?? I would love to see how they tried to sell
the car.
Later,
Nick
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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:35:19 -0500
From: Marc A Levy
Subject: DML: DMC Value drop? (WAS: Cheap DMC's)
Is it possible that the value of our Delorean's is DROPPING?!
The best way for us to get the value of our cars up is to generate a
interest in them. Take every advantage to bring them to car shows, or
"Cruise Nights" and talk to people. Let the lazy auto enthusiast know
that they can afford a Delorean.
The "1997 Delorean" is a good example of creating interest. (I dont
think I would have made it a BTTF looking car, but it does attract a
extra bit of attention!)
Make it a seller's market, then the value will go up.
This is not to create another argument of "value VS enjoyment",
because I am the first one to say that I did NOT buy my DMC for
investment, but it would be a added bonus if it increased in value!
So, how'd it go in Ohio this weekend?? I am so pissed I missed it!
Marc
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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 97 19:53:28 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: Re: DML: Goodbye, Columbus?
>
> Now, could we please hear from someone who was there for the whole
> weekend?
>
> - Mike Substelny
I actually arrived with my friend Trent, who is in the process of
restoring an 82 Delorean car, approx 8:00 PM Friday night. We chose
to drive the truck because of intentions of bringing back some spare
parts and due to the weather forecast, I wasn't about to get my car
wet or snowed on. I didn't get the chance to talk or meet with anyone
that night, most because neither of us are exactly the social type,
but we chose to check out the night life of the town, and did
meet a couple of nice ladies in the process :-)
The first impression of the warehouse is exactly as you said. Its
really hard to imagine so many different parts in such quantity. But,
for the most part, both of us were very very upset after leaving.
After all of this time, trying to fix up the cars and being told that
the reason for the expensive parts was due to limited inventory, then
seeing all of those parts really is very sad. Especially when many of
the parts have been stored incorrectly and stacked way to high, and
have crushed, scratched, dented, and torn so many good parts. As
for the cars that showed up, I didn't see any that were in what you
call "perfect shape". Its really sad because all of those cars
had such potential, and with every part need to make them beautiful
once again on the other side of the wall, the outrageous prices will
prevent any of those cars from being what they once were. Maybe I am
the only one that had this feeling about the event ? I do often tend
to have a different opinion of things than most.
However, the best thing about the event was all of the people I
talked with and shared info with. I came home with a pile of business
cards, names&phone numbers. All people that have extra parts / pieces
/ services / aftermarket fixes / etc.... Mr Grady is a great guy ,
very helpful and knowledgeble. He was very interested in a custom
fabricated delorean part which I have made to correct a design flaw of
the car. I encourage anyone that has designed or fabricated something
for their cars to share it with everyone. I'm currently working on a
process of recovering the rear interior trim panels. I'll let
everyone know if I make any progress. I enjoyed talking with those of
you I did get to meet.
- -Brandon
(the pessimistic one) ha ha
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:35:12 -0500
From: Kenneth Bowers
Subject: [none]
I have been looking around for a schedule of "D" shows but can't find
anything anywhere! Does anyone know where I can get a list of the shows or
does anyone know when the shows will be. By the way I live in New Hampshire.
Go to my site (now with music!) at:
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/5260
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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 97 23:23:11 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: Re: DML: Quicktime commercial
Hey All,
>
> Does anyone know of any actual T.V. commercial that had a dealer and
> the DeLorean in it?? I would love to see how they tried to sell
> the car.
>
Most of the dealers used the little black mail pamplets to get the
word out about the car.
- -Brandon
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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 21:50:37 EST
From: aaronhusak@juno.com (AARON HUSAK)
Subject: DML: vin 794
FYI:
Vin 794 Sold this weekend at the Dallas Can Academy Auction for
$5850.00 The car was 5 speed with gas flap and black interior in
running and driving condition.
To do is to be. -Socrates
To be is to do. -Plato
Do be do be do. -Frank Sinatra
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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1986 00:53:30 -0800
From: "lseiler@radiance.com"
Subject: Re: DML: DMC Value drop? (WAS: Cheap DMC's)
At 06:35 PM 11/3/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Is it possible that the value of our Delorean's is DROPPING?!
>
>The best way for us to get the value of our cars up is to generate a
>interest in them. Take every advantage to bring them to car shows, or
>"Cruise Nights" and talk to people. Let the lazy auto enthusiast know
>that they can afford a Delorean.
>
>The "1997 Delorean" is a good example of creating interest. (I dont
>think I would have made it a BTTF looking car, but it does attract a
>extra bit of attention!)
>
>Make it a seller's market, then the value will go up.
>
>This is not to create another argument of "value VS enjoyment",
>because I am the first one to say that I did NOT buy my DMC for
>investment, but it would be a added bonus if it increased in value!
>
>So, how'd it go in Ohio this weekend?? I am so pissed I missed it!
>
>Marc
>
reply:
Marc,
You are right on the spot! and I could not agree more.......and at
least
for my own point love the fun of owning a DMC-12.
I don't know why there is so little interest in our cars but that
seems to
be the case? a great example of the fun value and lack of interest in
the public eye was this Halloween. I parked my DMC about half way down
our drive way, Hooked the electrical system threw the cutoff switch
(12vDC) to house power, dolled it up to look like BTTF with flat black
painted cardboard Gingerbread, with some RED spot lamps in the
engines, dry Ice, pand of cood water, a smoke machine and two slowly
burning tire trails. Every kid (big and small) really like the trick
or treat at our place that night, from time to time we had mini
traffic jams (two cars), yet although several passers by called the
local news stations, not a single TV station or news person ever
showed up. My guess is that that night this was the only such
Holloween Night display any where on the planet, you would think that
there must be some news value in that fact alone, aftere asll there
were no less than 6 different Big Pumkin stories, 4 Pie eating
stories, countless costume stories and several party stories, all News
of course.
We had a good time, which was the whole point, seeing the kids go nuts
around the DMC was worth the work. Which I would guess knowing me as I
do that was the whole point.
The value of any "thing" is what you place upon it, lets hope that we
all
get what we truly want from our interest in the DMC.
Lee
VIN#5729
MODERATOR'S NOTE: I just purchased all the historical pricing
information on the DMC-12 from CPI (Cars of Particular Interest) and
will be writing an article on the data with the CPI graphs shortly.
Knut
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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 07:30:01 -0500
From: jsinger@aaacars.com (Jack Singer)
Subject: Re: DML: Goodbye, Columbus?
Brandon S. Moody wrote:
>
>
> -Brandon
> (the pessimistic one) ha ha
I share your views, there are so many parts and such high prices,
however this is America and if he wants to sit on the parts at such
high prices, that is his choice.
I restore about one car a year as a hobby and when ever I get extra
parts, I put them in my back room. You never know when you might need
one.
If you need parts, advertise for it, I have been very lucky in getting
the parts I need that way.
Jack Singer
jsinger@dmc12.com
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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 21:50:37 EST
From: aaronhusak@juno.com (AARON HUSAK)
Subject: DML: vin 794
FYI:
Vin 794 Sold this weekend at the Dallas Can Academy Auction for
$5850.00 The car was 5 speed with gas flap and black interior in
running and driving condition.
To do is to be. -Socrates
To be is to do. -Plato
Do be do be do. -Frank Sinatra
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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 97 23:23:11 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: Re: DML: Quicktime commercial
Hey All,
>
> Does anyone know of any actual T.V. commercial that had a dealer and
> the DeLorean in it?? I would love to see how they tried to sell
> the car.
>
Most of the dealers used the little black mail pamplets to get the
word out about the car.
- -Brandon
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Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1986 23:27:18 -0800
From: "lseiler@radiance.com"
Subject: Re: DML: more on fuel gauge sender seepage
At 11:02 AM 11/3/97 -0500, you wrote: >Lee said:
>
>> May I suggest you grind away the new epoxy and clean to bear
>> metal the various parts and do it over. Be sure that you
>> have "bear shiney metal with a ruffened (sic) surface" warm
>> the area with a hair dryer...I mean warm not hot! The warm metal
>> will liguify the epoxy at the molecule level and bond to the metal, to
>> do it right, clean, clean, clean and it will never leak!
>
>Lee, the problem is not bonding to the metal, but to the polyethylene
>in the lid of the sender unit. The electronic leads go through holes
>in the lid. The seal between the leads and the plastic is passable,
>but not good enough to keep fumes in.
>
>I agree that it is a BAD idea to top off a DeLorean, and I never do it
>anymore. I was only trying to give a detailed, physical explanation
>of my reason. I think that no matter what I do I will always get some
>fumes venting through that lid. Too bad, since this makes my luggage
>smell faintly like gasoline and it drives my fiancee crazy.
>
>- Mike Substelny
>
reply:
Mike,
Now I see your point about your comments, I made an assumption that
was
wrong...rats!
But after a bit of thinking I found a solution that will work for the
leads. First you will need to make a "Teflon" gasket to fit over the
top of the unit with holes for the wires, and use "CLEAR" Silicon
"Aquarium grade only". Clean out what ever you have down the wire
channels, inject enough of the silicon to fill the space the wires
pass threw and then one continious bead around the whole top of the
unit. Next exhale on to the "wet" silicon jell several times, next
place the tight fitting Teflon gasket in place and replace the cap.
This will stop "Vapor and liquid" from diffusing along the leads. Once
cured the Silicon jell becomes a non-permeable membrane. At this point
if you get gas vapor it won't be up the leads.
I have not had the problem so the above fix is based on building
scientific equipment that had the same conditions and similiar
configuration. I have gone threw the AIR system of my DMC and replaced
all the dams and seals to tighten up the whole system using simular
materials.
BTW does any one know where to find "BLACK" door seal adhesive??? all
I
can find is white and yellow (clear when wet). tHE STUFF i WANT IS TO
RE SEAL SOME OF THE PANNELS AND DOOR SEALS. Also a solvent or cleaner
that won't attack the Naugha Hide.
BTW: Mike if you put a camphor stick in each nostril, you won't notice
the gas vapor, or light a match, this will clear all the vapor from
the car.
This technique is demonstrated in "scene 32 - exterior shot - white 57
Ford thunderbird/hardtop LA 'day" in Cheech & Chong's film "Up in
Smoke".
Lee
VIN#5729
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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:37:23 -0500 (EST)
From: TREKFANNJ@aol.com
Subject: DML: Looking for NJ DMC Owner, Plates - Awsum1
The plates were approximately that spelling, give or take a letter.
Please have him contact me via email, if you know him.
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:54:23 -0800
From: kseel@bogle.com
Subject: Re[2]: DML: Cheap DMCs
Thanks for the welcome Joe. I just got back into town. The car is in
good shape but appears completely original - no upgrades of any kind.
The prior owner(s) seemed fanatical about keeping it "original".
Because I'm using it as a driver I'm more concerned about safety and
reliability. One of the first things is to replace the plastic
radiator reservoir with a steel one. The mechanic who looked it over
warned that the plastic ones can become brittle and fail suddenly
(especially after 15 years). Right now it runs great but I'm going to
have to slowly upgrade those types of things.
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: DML: Cheap DMCs
Author: JSteuben@aol.com at Internet
Date: 10/30/97 5:23 PM
It's a fair deal if.....all of the updates are in, don't forget to
check the trailing
arm bolts, is the radiator steel or plastic, does it have all the
proper stuff, radio
ect, ect? How are the shocks and the rest of the suspension? They
may need some work after 100Ks. Congratulations, enjoy, and welcome
to the wild world of DMC. Joe :>}
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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 12:33:44 -0500
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: DeLorean Commercials. Does Anyone Have Taco Bell?
Nick said:
> Does anyone know of any actual T.V. commercial that had a dealer
> and the DeLorean in it?? I would love to see how they tried to sell
> the car.
Well, Nick, yes and no. Two years ago DeLorean Cadillac here in
Cleveland made a commercial for their dealership that featured the
car. They were selling Cadillacs, not DeLoreans, but it made the car
look good. It was all beautiful car images and classical music, with
no voiceover.
Mark DeLorean himself (JZD's nephew) was nice enough to send me a copy
of the commercial on tape, which I trot out now and then at DCO
functions.
I also have a newspaper ad from 1983 advertising brand NEW
DeLoreans for $18,000 in Raleigh, NC. There may have been few or no
TV commercials for the DeLorean, since sports cars don't get
advertised on TV very much. You don't see many commercials for
Corvettes or Miatas or Z3s.
Does anyone have a copy of the Taco Bell commercial with the DeLoreans
in it? When I was a teenager that Taco Bell commercial was the first
place I ever saw DeLoreans.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:27:17 -0800
From: Wilson_Leong@amat.com
Subject: Re: DML: more on fuel gauge sender seepage
Silicone Sealant, a.k.a. RTV, is not a good choice for use on anything
that comes in contact with gasoline. Years ago, I worked on a project
that required the removal of cured RTV. The Dow-Corning consultant
advised me to use gasoline to dissolve the RTV.
There are many different grades of epoxies available. Many will not
be affected by gasoline. They are available in different viscosities
and some are even flexible. I have used some 3M structural epoxy to
patch a cracked cast aluminum oil pan on my BMW, which is quite
similar to the DeLorean's, and it has been oil tight for over five
years now.
Just my 2 cents.
- ---------------------- Forwarded by Wilson Leong/APPLIED MATERIALS on
11/04/97 11:21 AM ---------------------------
(Embedded
image moved lseiler @ radiance.com to file: 11/03/86 11:27 PM
PIC17437.PCX)
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:44:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Magicshow@aol.com
Subject: DML: I'm tired of seeing Cheap DeLoreans as a subject
What's all this hype about cheap DeLoreans. I would like to think
that the car I am driving is NOT A CHEAP car. I take pride in my
DeLorean.........don't knock the D!
Bri
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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:12:42 -0500
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Is the DeLorean a "Couples Car?"
Kevin Wolter said:
> Well, as of a week ago, I am now married. So it is time to look into
> parting with the D in search of another vehicle that would qualify as a
> family car since I can't quite convince my wife that a DeLorean "really
> is a family car."
Congratulations on your marriage, Kevin. I am sure you and your bride
will have a great future. Good luck!
It is a bummer about needing to sell your car. Can't you find some
way of keeping it?
I am getting married myself this Saturday, and my fiancee knows there
is no way I will part with my DeLorean (soon to be OUR DeLorean). We
bought our new house specifically so there would be enough room to
garage the DeLorean, and we worked out our budget including DeLorean
repairs and insurance just as if it were our first kid.
Some of you met my fiancee Patti at Nashville or Kapac in 1996. She
is very DeLorean friendly, God bless her. She really likes the
friends we have made through the DOA and the DML. I have always been
glad that she was with me at these events.
Most of the owners have come to these events as couples. For some
reason the DeLorean seems to be a "couples car." Typical DeLorean
activities are trips to wineries and restaurants and such. You know .
. . couples stuff. If you have had a similar experience, Kevin, then
I suggest you try to talk your bride into keeping the car on that
basis.
Does anyone else agree that the DeLorean seems to be a "couples car?"
BTW I wish I could have invited all my DML friends to the wedding
Saturday but obviously I couldn't. If you are inclined to send a
congratulatory message to us please send E-mail straight to our new
home (NOT THE DML!) at:
m.substelny@popmail.csuohio.edu
- - Mike Substelny
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