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Thursday, November 6 1997 Volume 03 : Number 300
In this issue:
DML: DMC performance
Re: DML: more on fuel gauge sender seepage
DML: Black door seal adhesive
Re: DML: I'm tired of seeing Cheap DeLoreans as a subject
DML: sand-o-flex question
Re: DML: Is the DeLorean a "Couples Car?"
DML: RE: sand-o-flex question
Re: DML: Is the DeLorean a "Couples Car?"
DML: Columbus - another perspective...
DML: Fast idle on start-up
DML: FW: New DeLorean service center
Re: DML: DMC Value drop? (WAS: Cheap DMC's)
Re: DML: sand-o-flex question
Re: DML: DeLorean Commercials. Does Anyone Have Taco Bell?
Re: DML: more on fuel gauge sender seepage
Re: DML: sand-o-flex question
Re: DML: more on fuel gauge sender seepage
Re: DML: Is the DeLorean a "Couples Car?"
Re: DML: Fast idle on start-up
DML: Key update
DML: Custom engineering & manufacturing
Re: DML: vin 794
Re: DML: more on fuel gauge sender seepage
Re: DML: DMC Value drop? (WAS: Cheap DMC's)
Re: DML: DMC Value drop? (WAS: Cheap DMC's)
Re: DML: Key update
Re: DML: Fast idle on start-up
DML: Goodbye, Columbus?
DML: Guest moderator on the road
Re: Guest moderator on the road
DML: Silicone Sealant
DML: Re: Silicone Seal
Re: DML: New Owner & Member
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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:20:48 -0500
From: Wade Shapiro
Subject: DML: DMC performance
I remember reading a post a little while back concerning the
performance time of the Delorean (I think it was in comparison to the
Bricklin). A friend of mine owns an builds engines for a living, and
he started stocking this item in his shop called the G-Tech
Performance Meter/PRO. It is smaller than a radar detector, and it
tests 0-60mph times, 60-0 braking distances, real world horsepower,
and g forces. I bought one off of him, and was very impressed with its
ease of use and its accuracy.
As a favor (he is completely computer illiterate), I set up a website
to sell these jewels. Check it out...
http://www.netcom.com/~shapiro3/gtech.htm G-Tech Performance Meter/PRO
Home Page
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:40:13 +0000
From: BRUCE BENSON
Subject: Re: DML: more on fuel gauge sender seepage
>
>BTW does any one know where to find "BLACK" door seal adhesive??? all
>I
>can find is white and yellow (clear when wet). tHE STUFF i WANT IS TO
>RE SEAL SOME OF THE PANNELS AND DOOR SEALS. Also a solvent or cleaner
>that won't attack the Naugha Hide.
>
>Lee
>VIN#5729
3M has a automotive weatherstrip adhesive that's black. Good old
Coleman Lantern fuel found in the hardware store is a highly refined
white gas. While extremely flammable ( what solvents aren't? ) it
works great as a cleaner that won't harm paint or "Naugha Hide". I've
seen it used over the years in the auto factories to clean sealers and
such off upholstery and painted finishes. I use it all the time.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:36:28 -0500
From: Mike Griese
Subject: DML: Black door seal adhesive
I use 3M weatherstrip adhesive, P/N 8008. You can get it at autobody
supply houses.
Michael A. Griese
IBM Storage Systems Division
Rochester, MN 55901
Internet: magriese(AT)us.ibm.com
voice: (507)253-1853
fax: (507)253-2880
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:45:26 -0500 (EST)
From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: I'm tired of seeing Cheap DeLoreans as a subject
How about a definition of a non cheap delorean. On the internet I
just pulled off the DeLorean 1 price list for DeLoreans for my
insurance. Sales price was 30K. someone is buying these as well as
the less expensive units.
Most places sell them at around 25K.
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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:49:22 -0600
From: Tony Swiantek
Subject: DML: sand-o-flex question
Hello--
I was just reading through some of the back issues and I found a few
references stating that a Sand-O-Flex 350R can be used to refinish the
texture of the body panels. I searched the web and found a place that
sells them, but my question now is: What type grit should be used?
They list many different types (actually 60 through 350 GRIT), and I
was just wondering what will work the best and not harm the car.
The web page where these attachments can be found is:
http://www.presys.com/comm/key-abrasive/
I know nothing about this company, except that this is the only place
on the web (that I could find) offering this specific tool.
Any help in choosing the right attachment would be great...
Thanks,
Tony Swiantek
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:05:03 -0700
From: raddad(AT)cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Is the DeLorean a "Couples Car?"
I must agree with Mike.
I purchased my 81 DeLorean new in 1982. I was entering male menopause
and told my wife I wanted either a DeLorean or a mistress. She said
get the DeLorean. Today she realizes that I have given more time,
money and attention to my DeLorean, (I'm on my second one) than I ever
would have on a mistress and, moreover, I am as attached to it today
as I was 15 years ago.
When I traded my 81 on my restored 83 I asked Leslie why she humored
me so. She pointed out that we have taken numerous trips (including
some great long vacations) and made some very nice long-term friends
as a result of the DeLorean. While she doesn't have the attachment
for the car that I do, she truly enjoys all the events it has caused
us to attend, all the attention we get when traveling and all the
friends we have made.
Leslie says she encourages me to keep the car as long as I want and to
maintain it in the manner it deserves. Yes, I have a hell of a car;
a hell of a wife; and, yes, it is a couples car!
The Rad Dad
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:25:42 -0600
From: Don Gowler-CFPO01
Subject: DML: RE: sand-o-flex question
I understand that 80 grit is what you want. I have used small sheets
of it with great success by hand on areas of the car requiring a
little touch
up.
Regards, The Silver Fox
>----------
>From: swiantek(AT)uiuc.edu%INTERNET
>Reply To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com%INTERNET
>Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 1997 6:10 PM
>To: dmcnews-outgoing(AT)world.std.com%INTERNET
>Subject: DML: sand-o-flex question
>
>Hello--
>
>I was just reading through some of the back issues and I found a few
>references stating that a Sand-O-Flex 350R can be used to refinish the
>texture of the body panels. I searched the web and found a place that
>sells them, but my question now is: What type grit should be used?
>They list many different types (actually 60 through 350 GRIT), and I
>was just wondering what will work the best and not harm the car.
>
>The web page where these attachments can be found is:
>http://www.presys.com/comm/key-abrasive/
>
>I know nothing about this company, except that this is the only place
>on the web (that I could find) offering this specific tool.
>
>Any help in choosing the right attachment would be great... >
>Thanks,
>
>Tony Swiantek
>
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:03:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Starman
Subject: Re: DML: Is the DeLorean a "Couples Car?"
Howdy,
The D is VERY much a couples car. It's NOT a family car, which is
the reason I have to sell mine :(. With a baby on the way it's very
impractical to have a two-seater. In a few years after the baby grows
and we no longer need to cart around cribs, diapers, playpens, and not
to mention that there's NO room for more than two people, then I'll
get another D. Financially it's impractical to have a car that I'll
only be using very infrequently. My bottom line is that unless you can
afford to have another car in the house, a D is not practical for a
young family. When I was born my dad had to give up using his '62
Vette for many years until I got older. I just hope my D goes to a
good home.
Mike
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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:31:39 -0600
From: Carla Feldmeier
Subject: DML: Columbus - another perspective...
This is your vacationing moderator here, checking up on things and I
just read the last couple digests I have missed. Right now I am in St.
Louis using my Mom's email address, so don't reply to this message!
In any case, here's my rundown on the DeLorean Motor Company event in
Columbus...
I flew out of Phoenix Friday morning and arrived at the hotel in
Columbus about 9:30 that evening. I had just walked into the
Hospitality Suite and everybody was leaving (coincidence...I think
not) but I tagged along anyway and we had beer and drinks at the
restaurant next door until well past one in the morning. I was
fortunate enough to spend a great deal of time talking with fellow
DML'ers John Schulz, Cecil Longwisch, Marty Maier, Bob Benyon and
Jerry Rine.
The next morning came early (too early) but the crisp, cool warehouse
and excitement of being around so many DeLorean parts warmed me up.
The coffee and aspirin helped with the hangover.
I spent the first hour of the morning getting acquainted and
re-acquainted with the many DeLorean friends and DML'ers I have met
over the years, many of whom I only knew through the internet.
The warehouse was MUCH cleaner than it was when I was there last year.
Last year there were many dark aisles, and some aisles you couldn't
even get down because they were blocked. This year all aisles were
open and every light was lit. Some aisles were still dark (so dark
that many folks were using flashlights) and things were still
scattered about in many places. You'd see taillights in one box in one
aisle, and then three aisles down you'd see a full pallet of them.
There were so many parts there it's hard to describe.
In one aisle I counted 135 new motors, in another aisle there were
probably 500 windshields. However many parts ahd been sold since I was
there last year, there was no way to tell, it looked like there might
have been more there this year than last.
I spent a good 8 hours on Saturday at the warehouse climbing the racks
and digging in boxes. Dusty and dirty, I headed back to the hotel to
get ready for dinner. The rest of the night after dinner is kind of
fuzzy, but I do recall a group of us joining Leif Montin at the
nightclub (Mekka) in the basement of the warehouse. Once again,
"Senator" Mike Pack managed to get us in ahead of the line with no
cover charge.
Sunday, with a even worse hangover, I trudged back to the warehouse at
10:00am to meet with Mike Substelny and wander through the aisles and
boxes again. Finally, about 3:00pm, I called it a day and after a late
lunch with Mike Substelny and his future father-in-law, I left for the
rest of my vacation.
The upcoming issue of the 'zine will have some pictures and a bit more
details, so look for that later this month. It was great to meet so
many DML'ers and their kind words and compliments are a great
encouragement to me. It's nice to know that so many people look
forward to the DML and the 'zine.
If the rumoured spring event happens, I'd encourage everyone to
attend, it's something you have got to see to believe.
James Espey
Vacationing Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 06:30:14 -0800
From: Joyce Lasuta
Subject: DML: Fast idle on start-up
Does anyone have a suggestion as to diagnosing this problem. Even
when my Delorean is operating temperature, when I star-up the idle is
up at about 2000 rpm. for about 20 - 30 seconds, sometimes too when I
come to a light although at those times a quick "blip" on the throttle
brings it back down. I have tried lubricating all throttle pivot
points, cable, etc. When I have the engine cover up and I try to
duplicate this problem by working the throttle by hand, I am
unsuccessful. Any suggestions???
Bruce Lasuta
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:08:50 -0600
From: Duke
Subject: DML: FW: New DeLorean service center
MODERATOR'S NOTE: This looks like a repeat, but my brain is a little
cooked right now. If it's a duplicate, I apologize.
Knut
- -----Original Message-----
From: Duke [SMTP:duke(AT)entremob.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 1997 10:38 PM
To: 'dmcnews(AT)world.std.com'
Subject: New DeLorean service center
I am seriously thinking of opening up a DMC Service Center here in =
Mobile, Al. Right now, its just a thought but could soon become a =
reality. I have one mechanic (personal mechanic that I've used for 10 =
years and VERY knowledgeable on the DeLorean. His partner is equally =
knowledgeable, but for right now, until I get some opinions or feedback, =
I feel that I will only need the one mechanic. I've also come to this =
conclusion by talking with another DeLorean shop that I've dealt with =
for years. (He agrees with just one mechanic in the beginning) As a =
DeLorean owner for 11 years, I'm very knowledgeable on the DeLorean and =
just today, purchased my second DeLorean. I've been contemplating this =
for the last 6 months and would greatly appreciate your comments, =
feedback, and questions as well. =20
Thanks in advance,
Duke Bladorn
=20
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:24:23 -0700 (MST)
From: bttfdmc(AT)connect.ab.ca
Subject: Re: DML: DMC Value drop? (WAS: Cheap DMC's)
COOL! Do you have a picture of your dressed up DMC from this story
you wrote? I would love to see a picture of it!
Best
Randy
Vin#16353
>You are right on the spot! and I could not agree more.......and at
>least
>for my own point love the fun of owning a DMC-12.
>
>I don't know why there is so little interest in our cars but that
>seems to
>be the case? a great example of the fun value and lack of interest in
>the public eye was this Halloween. I parked my DMC about half way down
>our drive way, Hooked the electrical system threw the cutoff switch
>(12vDC) to house power, dolled it up to look like BTTF with flat black
>painted cardboard Gingerbread, with some RED spot lamps in the
>engines, dry Ice, pand of cood water, a smoke machine and two slowly
>burning tire trails. Every kid (big and small) really like the trick
>or treat at our place that night, from time to time we had mini
>traffic jams (two cars), yet although several passers by called the
>local news stations, not a single TV station or news person ever
>showed up. My guess is that that night this was the only such
>Holloween Night display any where on the planet, you would think that
>there must be some news value in that fact alone, aftere asll there
>were no less than 6 different Big Pumkin stories, 4 Pie eating
>stories, countless costume stories and several party stories, all News
>of course.
>
>We had a good time, which was the whole point, seeing the kids go nuts
>around the DMC was worth the work. Which I would guess knowing me as I
>do that was the whole point.
>
>The value of any "thing" is what you place upon it, lets hope that we
>all
>get what we truly want from our interest in the DMC.
>
>Lee
>VIN#5729
>
>
>MODERATOR'S NOTE: I just purchased all the historical pricing
>information on the DMC-12 from CPI (Cars of Particular Interest) and
>will be writing an article on the data with the CPI graphs shortly. >
> Knut >
>
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 01:19:37 -0800
From: stimpy(AT)wans.net (Eric B Johnson)
Subject: Re: DML: sand-o-flex question
Hey Tony , I noticed you were asking about refinishing tools for DMC.
Why are you looking to resurface the stainless? Reason I am asking is
that I am trying to resurface mine as well. I have an 81 DMC that was
painted. I have removed the red paint and replaced the parts of the
car that had bondo(collision in the rear was the reason it was
painted). So I have been trying to figure out how to retexture the
panels like new. If you or anyone else has any knowledge in this area
that could help me it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanx,
Eric
Tony Swiantek wrote:
> Hello--
>
> I was just reading through some of the back issues and I found a few
> references stating that a Sand-O-Flex 350R can be used to refinish the
> texture of the body panels. I searched the web and found a place that
> sells them, but my question now is: What type grit should be used?
> They list many different types (actually 60 through 350 GRIT), and I
> was just wondering what will work the best and not harm the car.
>
> The web page where these attachments can be found is:
> http://www.presys.com/comm/key-abrasive/
>
> I know nothing about this company, except that this is the only place
> on the web (that I could find) offering this specific tool.
>
> Any help in choosing the right attachment would be great...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony Swiantek
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:42:23 -0500 (EST)
From: NJP548(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Commercials. Does Anyone Have Taco Bell?
Hey Mike,
Could you scan that newspaper article about the delorean for me and
send it to me or make a copy and mail it to me?? I would really
appreciate it a lot.
Nick
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1986 00:17:12 -0800
From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com"
Subject: Re: DML: more on fuel gauge sender seepage
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Although information posted to the mailing list can
sometimes be erroneous (see disclaimer at bottom of digests), it is my
belief that these posts are made by enthusiasts with a genuine
interest in offering helpful input. Please keep in mind that people
are only trying to be helpful and moderate your posts accordingly.
Knut
At 11:27 AM 11/4/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Silicone Sealant, a.k.a. RTV, is not a good choice for use on anything
>that comes in contact with gasoline. Years ago, I worked on a project
>that required the removal of cured RTV. The Dow-Corning consultant
>advised me to use gasoline to dissolve the RTV.
>
>There are many different grades of epoxies available. Many will not
>be affected by gasoline. They are available in different viscosities
>and some are even flexible. I have used some 3M structural epoxy to
>patch a cracked cast aluminum oil pan on my BMW, which is quite
>similar to the DeLorean's, and it has been oil tight for over five
>years now.
>
>Just my 2 cents.
>---------------------- Forwarded by Wilson Leong/APPLIED MATERIALS on
>11/04/97 11:21 AM ---------------------------
>
>(Embedded
>image moved lseiler (AT) radiance.com to file: 11/03/86 11:27 PM
>PIC17437.PCX)
>
>
reply:
RTV and Silicon Sealant are not all the same material; There are RTV's
which have silicon bases, but thats not what I posted. If as you claim
you are from "APPLIED MATERIALS" you know very well that there are
whole classes of Silicon based materials that are completely un
effected by:
(volatile fractional distillation methyl tertiary butyl ether) [gas +
- -ol(e) + -ine2.] ei...gasoline, not to mention: gas, unleaded,
regular, super, Orange juice
diesel oil
paraffin, kerosene
alcohol, spirit,
methylated spirit
coal gas, acetylene,
propane, butane,
methane, biogases (farts)
I was very specific on what and how, It would be nice if the dmcnews
list, observe two conventions. First, if the list is going to post a
general reply to some thing specific possible solution to an ongoing
peoblem being discussed, then leave the original post in place, it is
not only polite but allows the readers to see what the original post
is all about which puts any over general reply in context.
The second is if the list is going to slide a post that is challenged
in to an archive, the challenging post belongs in the same place. Post
both or neither. The list manager could also have e-mailed me and
informed me of the reason for the instant arch. If there is any
question about possible liability as a result of following a suggested
fix, then I would point out that there have been many long and some
times flat out wrong repairs posted on this list. Not to mention some
corrections to a few DMC problems which are as poor as THE ORIGINAL
engineering. If my post was deemed questionable, ever think of simply
asking me with some specificity.
I don't have any problem with a critical responce to a possible
solution, I don't even have a problem with being corrected (especially
if I am dead wrong) but posting a responce with out the original
message is unacceptable.
You can keep your 2 cents worth, and your advice!
Lee
VIN#5729
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1986 00:38:12 -0800
From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com"
Subject: Re: DML: sand-o-flex question
At 04:49 PM 11/4/97 -0600, you wrote: >Hello--
>
>I was just reading through some of the back issues and I found a few
>references stating that a Sand-O-Flex 350R can be used to refinish the
>texture of the body panels. I searched the web and found a place that
>sells them, but my question now is: What type grit should be used?
>They list many different types (actually 60 through 350 GRIT), and I
>was just wondering what will work the best and not harm the car.
>
>The web page where these attachments can be found is:
>http://www.presys.com/comm/key-abrasive/
>
>I know nothing about this company, except that this is the only place
>on the web (that I could find) offering this specific tool.
>
>Any help in choosing the right attachment would be great... >
>Thanks,
>
>Tony Swiantek
>
reply:
Hi Tony,
I can help you sume...providing my post is left on the list?
The San-O-Flex is a tool that can be chucked up in a hand drill motor or
any rotating device with a clam to hold the arbor. The actual cutting
parts of this tool are fabric strips impregnated with various abrasive
grit sizes. Depending on the "Tool size" the tool may look a lot like a
telephone role-dex or a metal pill box shape with 5 individual abrasive
fabric strips that come out of slots around the perimeter of the tool.
I don't know what the correct grit size is, how ever if you call Don at
DeLorean Motor Center (714) 554-6794 or PJ Gradey Inc (516) 589-6224 or
Delorean ONE (818) 341-1796 any of these guys know exactly what grit and
can tell you how to use the tool.
I have been working on the finish of my DMC-12 by hand....sort of a great
way to therapeutic one-ness with stainless beauty.
You may want to make a jig to hold the San-O-Flex steady, other wise you
will never get the factory perfect (stright) finish.
Good luck!
Lee
VIN#5729
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1986 00:44:48 -0800
From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com"
Subject: Re: DML: more on fuel gauge sender seepage
At 10:40 PM 11/4/97 +0000, you wrote: >
>>
>>BTW does any one know where to find "BLACK" door seal adhesive??? all
>>I
>>can find is white and yellow (clear when wet). tHE STUFF i WANT IS TO
>>RE SEAL SOME OF THE PANNELS AND DOOR SEALS. Also a solvent or cleaner
>>that won't attack the Naugha Hide.
>>
>>Lee
>>VIN#5729
>
>3M has a automotive weatherstrip adhesive that's black. Good old
>Coleman Lantern fuel found in the hardware store is a highly refined
>white gas. While extremely flammable ( what solvents aren't? ) it
>works great as a cleaner that won't harm paint or "Naugha Hide". I've
>seen it used over the years in the auto factories to clean sealers and
>such off upholstery and painted finishes. I use it all the time.
>
>Bruce Benson
>
reply:
Thanks bruce!
Hummm .......... where is that Coleman lantern?
Of course 3M! I guess I am starting to get Old'e timers .......I have
some
in my tool box!
Better get some more.........
Lee
VIN#5729
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1986 00:55:45 -0800
From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com"
Subject: Re: DML: Is the DeLorean a "Couples Car?"
At 09:03 PM 11/4/97 -0500, you wrote: >
>Howdy,
>The D is VERY much a couples car. It's NOT a family car, which is
>the reason I have to sell mine :(. With a baby on the way it's very
>impractical to have a two-seater. In a few years after the baby grows
>and we no longer need to cart around cribs, diapers, playpens, and not
>to mention that there's NO room for more than two people, then I'll
>get another D. Financially it's impractical to have a car that I'll
>only be using very infrequently. My bottom line is that unless you can
>afford to have another car in the house, a D is not practical for a
>young family. When I was born my dad had to give up using his '62
>Vette for many years until I got older. I just hope my D goes to a
>good home.
>
>Mike
>
reply:
Hi Mike,
Sorry about the ribbing, I know what you mean, been there, done that.
I trust you realize I was just having a bit of fun with you. I hope there
are no hard feelings. I wish that I had known you needed a Basic family
car, I just (three months ago) gave away a great family car just because
I don't ever use it. No kids around these days, Just a Wife and a cat.
The D is perrrrrfect for our family configuration. In any case Con-grats
on the new wife and Kids...maby it's triplets! >wink
Lee
VIN#5729
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1986 01:01:10 -0800
From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com"
Subject: Re: DML: Fast idle on start-up
At 06:30 AM 11/5/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Does anyone have a suggestion as to diagnosing this problem. Even
>when my Delorean is operating temperature, when I star-up the idle is
>up at about 2000 rpm. for about 20 - 30 seconds, sometimes too when I
>come to a light although at those times a quick "blip" on the throttle
>brings it back down. I have tried lubricating all throttle pivot
>points, cable, etc. When I have the engine cover up and I try to
>duplicate this problem by working the throttle by hand, I am
>unsuccessful. Any suggestions???
>Bruce Lasuta
>
reply:
bruce I am sure one of the engine guys will give you the details. I do
know that there is a high idle function that last for about the time
you mention. My mechanic tells me this is normal. I don't think I have
seen this while driving, but any time hot or cold I start the engine,
the high idle comes on and last about 10 seconds. As I said I have no
idea on the specifics of this but I don't think it is a serious
problem.
Lee
VIN#5729
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1986 01:09:16 -0800
From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com"
Subject: DML: Key update
This is to all the DMC owners who have asked for DMC molded Keys
I may have found a silver Key blank that will fit the standard DMC-12
lock.
I have ordered several and will use them as dummies for the new key
molds.
I then plan to send out several for testing in various D's
If all this proves to be OK I will start the Key project.
Every one who requested keys are now in a data base on a first in line
basis. once I am sure the key blanks work, you will get via e-mail
instructions on how to get your keys.
If the blanks prove not to work, then I will start plan "B"
In either case I think we will start seeing keys by Turkey-Day
Lee
VIN#5729
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997
From: Knut Grimsrud(AT)world.std.com
Subject: DML: Custom engineering & manufacturing
MODERATOR'S NOTE: I wouldn't normally pass on junk-mail, but I got
this message that seems to apply well to the group.
Farndon Engineering
Bayton Road
Exhall
Coventry
CV7 9EJ
ENGLAND
Tel: 01203 366910
Fax: 01203 644272
Contact: Mr. Alun Davies (Sales & Marketing Director)
or E-MAIL Annerley Howard (Marketing Consultant) at: AnnaHow(AT)aol.com
PRESS RELEASE
Farndon Engineering is the premier supplier of precision engineered
components for the high performance and classic automotive sectors,
whose name is synonymous with quality. Farndon products are proven
winners in most forms of autosport racing and the company has been
providing fully engineered crankshafts and other related products to
the market for over 30 years.
In September of this year the management team of Ken Johnson
(Chairman), Colin Walker (Managing Director), Alun Davies (Sales
Director) and Gerry Faherty (Financial Director) successfully
negotiated a buy out of the business.
The mission of the new owners is to build on Farndon's excellent
product reputation by providing a superior service through design,
technical support and customer care. Enhancement of the probability of
success of our customers is the prime objective.
Farndon offer a service based on CADDS5 CAD system with access to
finite element analysis, dynamic analysis and mathematical modeling.
Our performance products are manufactured on state of the art CNC
machining facilities backed up by a skilled and highly dedicated
workforce. Our products are manufactured to ISO 9000 standards and we
operate a total quality policy.
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:26:44 +0000
From: James Nichols
Subject: Re: DML: vin 794
Aaron Husak Wrote:
>FYI:
>Vin 794 Sold this weekend at the Dallas Can Academy Auction for
>$5850.00 The car was 5 speed with gas flap and black interior in
>running and driving condition.
A nieghbor of mine was at this auction and called me that evening. He
stated that the car had some sort of fuel fuel pump problem and had to
be started by pouring carb cleaner (or something out of a carb cleaner
can) into the intake manifold. I wouldn't call that in running and
driving condition. He said that the buyer was from Wichita Falls,
Texas.
It sounds like a typical check valve, accumulator problem.
Jim #6884
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:04:11 +0000 (GMT)
From: Martin Gutkowski To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
Subject: Re: DML: more on fuel gauge sender seepage
RE: The silicon sealant vs. epoxy. Some epoxies may well be unreactive
to gasoline - but only AFTER they've cured (set).
I always thought silicone sealant could be used - and indeed is often
used around gas because it is very unreactive to solvents generally.
Gas may well clean it when it is wet, but when that too cures, gas
should not touch it.
Martin
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24 Second Avenue
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York, YO3 0RS
Tel: (01904) 424958
Mobile: (0976) 619759
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:41:53 -0800
From: e/evan/altendorf
Subject: Re: DML: DMC Value drop? (WAS: Cheap DMC's)
Hey guys -- there's at least one of us out here who doesn't own a
DeLorean yet, but intends to within the next 5 years ... I don't want
the value to go up! :)
No offense to anyone on the list, but it seems to me that unless you
are just buying and selling D's as an investment (instead of holding
on to the car as long as you can, the way I thought most people here
are doing), the only result of the value increasing is to (1) give you
bettter bragging rights, and (2) increase your insurance premiums.
Am I confused? What value is there in the value of the D rising?
- -e.
to the value of the D incre
On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:35:19 EST, Marc A Levy wrote:
> Is it possible that the value of our Delorean's is DROPPING?!
>
> The best way for us to get the value of our cars up is to generate a
> interest in them. Take every advantage to bring them to car shows, or
> "Cruise Nights" and talk to people. Let the lazy auto enthusiast know
> that they can afford a Delorean.
>
> The "1997 Delorean" is a good example of creating interest. (I dont
> think I would have made it a BTTF looking car, but it does attract a
> extra bit of attention!)
>
> Make it a seller's market, then the value will go up.
>
> This is not to create another argument of "value VS enjoyment",
> because I am the first one to say that I did NOT buy my DMC for
> investment, but it would be a added bonus if it increased in value!
>
> So, how'd it go in Ohio this weekend?? I am so pissed I missed it!
>
> Marc
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:41:53 -0800
From: e/evan/altendorf
Subject: Re: DML: DMC Value drop? (WAS: Cheap DMC's)
Hey guys -- there's at least one of us out here who doesn't own a
DeLorean yet, but intends to within the next 5 years ... I don't want
the value to go up! :)
No offense to anyone on the list, but it seems to me that unless you
are just buying and selling D's as an investment (instead of holding
on to the car as long as you can, the way I thought most people here
are doing), the only result of the value increasing is to (1) give you
bettter bragging rights, and (2) increase your insurance premiums.
Am I confused? What value is there in the value of the D rising?
- -e.
to the value of the D incre
On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:35:19 EST, Marc A Levy wrote:
> Is it possible that the value of our Delorean's is DROPPING?!
>
> The best way for us to get the value of our cars up is to generate a
> interest in them. Take every advantage to bring them to car shows, or
> "Cruise Nights" and talk to people. Let the lazy auto enthusiast know
> that they can afford a Delorean.
>
> The "1997 Delorean" is a good example of creating interest. (I dont
> think I would have made it a BTTF looking car, but it does attract a
> extra bit of attention!)
>
> Make it a seller's market, then the value will go up.
>
> This is not to create another argument of "value VS enjoyment",
> because I am the first one to say that I did NOT buy my DMC for
> investment, but it would be a added bonus if it increased in value!
>
> So, how'd it go in Ohio this weekend?? I am so pissed I missed it!
>
> Marc
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:21:29 -0700 (MST)
From: bttfdmc(AT)connect.ab.ca
Subject: Re: DML: Key update
I never got a chance to request a key for myself. Can I still
request one?
Best
Randy
Vin#16353
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 97 20:14:01 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: Re: DML: Fast idle on start-up
> Does anyone have a suggestion as to diagnosing this problem. Even
> when my Delorean is operating temperature, when I star-up the idle is
> up at about 2000 rpm. for about 20 - 30 seconds, sometimes too when I
> come to a light although at those times a quick "blip" on the throttle
> brings it back down. I have tried lubricating all throttle pivot
> points, cable, etc. When I have the engine cover up and I try to
> duplicate this problem by working the throttle by hand, I am
> unsuccessful. Any suggestions???
> Bruce Lasuta
Make sure the throttle is closing all the way and making contact with
the idle micro switch.
- -Brandon
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 18:29:23 -0500
From: Marc A Levy
Subject: DML: Goodbye, Columbus?
Mike Writes:
> A masking tape label
>indicated that this mirror had been removed from car #1280 in July of
>1981.
I ask:
Why would the mirror have been removed in the first place??
Mike then writes:
>Rumor: no firm date has been set for moving the parts from Columbus
>to Houston, so it is _possible_ that this event will be repeated next
>spring. If this rumor turns out to be true then I encourage everyone
>with any interest in DeLoreans to go out of your way to attend!
I Write:
I hope this is more than a rumor... If it is, lets get a date ASAP so I
can keep it open!
Marc
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:52:01 -0500 (EST)
From: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
Subject: DML: Guest moderator on the road
I will be on the road for a couple days but will be catching up on the
moderation duties on Saturday when I get back. This will hopefully be
nothing but a small hiccup in the regular delivery mailng list schedule
and will mostly impact those on the live version of the list.
Knut Grimsrud
Guest Moderator
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:22:19 -0500
From: "Geoffroy Birtz"
Subject: Re: Guest moderator on the road
hi people!
most of my messages don't seem to get posted, this is just a test.
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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:34:54 -0800
From: Wilson_Leong(AT)amat.com
Subject: DML: Silicone Sealant
To everyone,
My posting was to share "my" experience on the subject of Silicone
Sealants and Epoxies, as others have shared their experiences. I hope
that other DMLers are active because of our common interests and desire
to share information. We all have experienced problems that can have
more than one solution, and it may be wise to hear other's experiences
before deciding on which fix to implement. Isn't that what this list is
all about?
The information I presented was based on Silicone Sealant, a substance
based on "silicone rubber", which is what aquarium sealant and RTV's are
based upon (so are some car waxes), manufactured by Dow Corning, General
Electric, and probably others.
Lee stated in his posting of using "Silicon Sealant". Is that a spelling
boo-boo or is it really a sealant based on elemental silicon, the same
stuff electronic chips and beach sand is made of? There many types of
Silicone based adhesives, sealants, caulks, and potting compounds. Many
may not hold up to gasoline. That is my only point...user do the
research. If someone knows which types hold up, then let's share the
specific type.
The person that has the gas leakage problem should hear the points and
counterpoints, call up the manufacturers of whatever it is that he wants to
use, RTV, epoxy, etc., and make sure. Check out their web sites, too.
Afterall, it's his gas tank, accummulator, filter, fuel distributor,
checkbook, etc. I'm sure he wants the best for his DeLorean as I do.
P.S. Lee, my intention is not to infuriate you further with this posting.
It was only my second posting to The List. Hope we can be friends and
trade DeLorean war stories. Per your request, I will keep my advice,
but you can keep my 2 cents. Peace?
Wilson
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:32:26 +0000
From: James Nichols
Subject: DML: Re: Silicone Seal
MODERATOR'S NOTE: This thread is about all used up. I will start dropping
postings where there isn't any new _information_ being shared.
Knut (the Tyrant)
Martin Gutkowski Wrote,
>I always thought silicone sealant could be used - and indeed is often
>used around gas because it is very unreactive to solvents generally.
>Gas may well clean it when it is wet, but when that too cures, gas
>should not touch it.
>Martin
Martin,
First, you should read the directions on the back of the tube of
silicone seal. Then put a cured bead in a jar with a little gasoline in
the bottom, overnight. The next morning you will see why you should not
use silicone seal where it will be in contact with gas.
Jim
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:32:08 +0000
From: James Nichols
Subject: Re: DML: New Owner & Member
Wilson Leong wrote,
>I want to change engine oil and filter, is there anyone out there
>that wants to sell an oil plug wrench?
Wilson,
The oil plug is an 8mm square. The cheapest way is to make the wrench
out of 5/16 inch square bar stock, available at any hardware store.
Start with a piece 12 or 14 inches long, heat a couple inches back from
one end and bend it like an allen wrench.
Jim
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