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Sunday, November 9 1997 Volume 03 : Number 301
In this issue:
DML: Delorean in Hawaii
Re: DML: Key update
Re: DML: sand-o-flex question
Re: DML: Fast idle on start-up
DML: Preparing for winter storage
DML: DeLorean Web Page
DML: Stainless Steel Illusion Book
DML: 3M products
Importing
DML: RE: Preparing for winter storage
DML: Columbus trip.
DML: Re: Stainless Steel Illusion Book
DML: Re: Preparing for winter storage
Re: DML: Preparing for winter storage
DML: More on my blem parts in Columbus
Re: DML: Preparing for winter storage
Re: DML: Preparing for winter storage
Re: DML: Key update
Re: DML: Silicone Sealant
DML: DeLoreans for sale in FL
DML: Dealer pamplet.
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:37:27 -1000
From: "burtond1"
Subject: DML: Delorean in Hawaii
I have just seen my first Delorean since I moved here on the island. It
re-affirms that this is the car I want. It takes a lot of self control to
keep my finances going for college and not for a D. But in 1999, stay
clear, because I will be in the market for a Delorean.
Derek
Knowing the wait is worth it
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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1986 04:02:14 -0800
From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com"
Subject: Re: DML: Key update
At 11:21 AM 11/5/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I never got a chance to request a key for myself. Can I still
>request one?
>
>Best
>Randy
>Vin#16353
>
reply:
Randy, You have been added to the list!
Lee
VIN#5729
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Lee, could you post the cutoff date for new orders for the
benefit of us lurkers that are not sure if it's too late?
Knut
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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1986 04:02:12 -0800
From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com"
Subject: Re: DML: sand-o-flex question
At 01:19 AM 11/5/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Hey Tony , I noticed you were asking about refinishing tools for DMC.
>Why are you looking to resurface the stainless? Reason I am asking is
>that I am trying to resurface mine as well. I have an 81 DMC that was
>painted. I have removed the red paint and replaced the parts of the
>car that had bondo(collision in the rear was the reason it was
>painted). So I have been trying to figure out how to retexture the
>panels like new. If you or anyone else has any knowledge in this area
>that could help me it would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanx,
>Eric
>
>Tony Swiantek wrote:
>
>> Hello--
>>
>> I was just reading through some of the back issues and I found a few
>> references stating that a Sand-O-Flex 350R can be used to refinish the
>> texture of the body panels. I searched the web and found a place that
>> sells them, but my question now is: What type grit should be used?
>> They list many different types (actually 60 through 350 GRIT), and I
>> was just wondering what will work the best and not harm the car.
>>
>> The web page where these attachments can be found is:
>> http://www.presys.com/comm/key-abrasive/
>>
>> I know nothing about this company, except that this is the only place
>> on the web (that I could find) offering this specific tool.
>>
>> Any help in choosing the right attachment would be great...
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tony Swiantek
>
reply:
Hi Tony,
I know how the pros do it, and how it was done at the factory. I figured
out how to do ity by hand, but This is just my Idea on refinishing the raw
stainless. You need to build a jig that will allow you to move the
sand-O-Flex in stright paralell lines. (To ground)
After that it is a matter of practice and taking your time.
Lee
VIN#5729
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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 06:36:11 -0500
From: Soulman
Subject: Re: DML: Fast idle on start-up
At 08:14 PM 11/5/97 PST, you wrote:
>> Does anyone have a suggestion as to diagnosing this problem. Even
>> when my Delorean is operating temperature, when I star-up the idle is
>> up at about 2000 rpm. for about 20 - 30 seconds, sometimes too when I
>> come to a light although at those times a quick "blip" on the throttle
>> brings it back down. I have tried lubricating all throttle pivot
>> points, cable, etc. When I have the engine cover up and I try to
>> duplicate this problem by working the throttle by hand, I am
>> unsuccessful. Any suggestions???
>> Bruce Lasuta
>
>Make sure the throttle is closing all the way and making contact with
>the idle micro switch.
>
>-Brandon
>
I put an extra "booster" spring on mine. Problem solved. :>}
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:11:23 -0500 (EST)
From: "Sean P Mullally"
Subject: DML: Preparing for winter storage
Well, it is getting that time, so I guess I'll be the first to throw the
question out. This will be the first winter I've owned my DeLorean and I'm
about to put it away for storage. What steps, should I take to protect the car
during these months? Would it be better to run the car for say, 20 minutes ever
week or two and move it forward and back several inches to avoid tire warp, or
should I just put some fuel stabilizer in the tank and leave it alone until
spring? Besides those of you who use your car in the winter, and you
lucky bastards who live in warm climates, what has everyone done in past years?
- -sean
vin 3868
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:29:52 -0500
From: "stiefel"
Subject: DML: DeLorean Web Page
I have just created my own web page on DeLoreans. It is rather basic at the
time, but i hope to get more up soon. I have a couple of good links and
will be adding more as I get the chance. Columbus was great and a special
thanks to Warren who helped me greatly in my serches. The address is
http://www.geocities.com/RodeoDrive/8601/mydelore.html
check it out and if you have any suggestions please let me know
Jack vjstiefel(AT)worldnet.att.net
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 10:38:31 -0600
From: Greg Guillot
Subject: DML: Stainless Steel Illusion Book
While searching for the various books written about the Delorean, I
found the Stainless Steel Illusion book by John Lamm, although at
$125.00, it's to costly for me. If anyone's interested, you can find
it at:
http://boingo.primenet.com/~komet/speed/speedway.html#gbio
************************************************
Morial Convention Center - New Orleans
Greg Guillot, Manager - Info Systems & Services
900 Convention Center Blvd,New Orleans, LA 70130
Phone (504) 582-3116,Fax (504) 582-3104
Email gguillot(AT)mccno.com
************************************************
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:57:43 -0500
From: Mike Griese
Subject: DML: 3M products
Lee - 3M also makes an adhesive solvent. Works great on the
old stuff used by the factory and won't damage fabrics, vinyls, and
painted surfaces. I don't recall the 3M part number, but you can ask
for it by name.
Michael A. Griese
IBM Storage Systems Division
Rochester, MN 55901
Internet: magriese(AT)us.ibm.com
voice: (507)253-1853
fax: (507)253-2880
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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:35:09 +0800
From: Steve Symons
Subject: Importing
Unfortunately, I am not yet a Delorean owner. I am trying to find out a few
details with regards to importing one into Australia. Does anyone know how
much it would cost to import, and what has to be done to upgrade (or
downgrade) to meet Australian standards? Or better still, does anyone know
how many are already Down Under and if there are any for sale? I'm just
after details for the time being. Still trying to save.
Steve
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:41:14 -0500
From: "Yocom, Shannon"
Subject: DML: RE: Preparing for winter storage
Sean, and other curious others like myself,
I am not the proud owner of a beautiful D, yet, but I can offer some
of my limited storage tips. My uncle and a couple of friends are race
car drivers of various sorts and they recomend when storing a car to
"put it up on blocks" not cinder but regular jack stands. They also
say to remove the tires for excess ware on the suspention, shocks,
struts, etc. when haning there for long periods of time.
Future hopefull D owner
Shannon
> ----------
> From: Sean P Mullally
> Reply To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 1997 9:11 AM
> To: dmcnews-outgoing(AT)world.std.com
> Subject: DML: Preparing for winter storage
>
> Well, it is getting that time, so I guess I'll be the first to throw
> the
> question out. This will be the first winter I've owned my DeLorean and
> I'm
> about to put it away for storage. What steps, should I take to protect
> the car
> during these months? Would it be better to run the car for say, 20
> minutes ever
> week or two and move it forward and back several inches to avoid tire
> warp, or
> should I just put some fuel stabilizer in the tank and leave it alone
> until
> spring? Besides those of you who use your car in the winter, and you
> lucky bastards who live in warm climates, what has everyone done in
> past years?
>
> -sean
> vin 3868
>
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:27:18 -0500 (EST)
From: "Sean P Mullally"
Subject: DML: Columbus trip.
Unfortunately due to a family emergency, I was only able to make it
to Columbus on Sunday. But I was glad I made the trip down for even just one
day. My father and I drove down in my DeLorean and arrived just after 10:00am.
I got a chance to share some stories with several people who had
stuck around, and although I didn't buy a lot, it was a great opportunity to
see the parts. I am amazed by just how many there are. I wish DMC Houston the
best of luck getting this stuff fully sorted out, it looks like a big job.
I spent a long time looking at the partially assembled cars on display and
wish I could have been there for the tech seminar. Can someone post a summary
of what was covered?
I like the idea of another event. If DMC hosts one in the spring, I will
defiantly attend. That should be just the time I'm taking my car out of
storage and will have several projects in mind I will need parts for. :)
- -Sean Mullally
vin 3868
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:20:23 -0500
From: "Geoffroy Birtz"
Subject: DML: Re: Stainless Steel Illusion Book
for books, any books... check www. Amazon.com
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:12:12 -0500
From: "Geoffroy Birtz"
Subject: DML: Re: Preparing for winter storage
> Well, it is getting that time, so I guess I'll be the first to throw the
> question out. This will be the first winter I've owned my DeLorean and
I'm
> about to put it away for storage. What steps, should I take to protect
the car
> during these months? Would it be better to run the car for say, 20
minutes ever
> week or two and move it forward and back several inches to avoid tire
warp, or
> should I just put some fuel stabilizer in the tank and leave it alone
until
> spring? Besides those of you who use your car in the winter, and you
> lucky bastards who live in warm climates, what has everyone done in past
years?
>
> -sean
> vin 3868
Best way to avoid tire warp is to put it up on blocks(or tripods stand
things)
starting it occasionally is what I do, the other option is to take out the
plugs and pour a spoonful of oil in each cylinder. blue smoke in spring !
A good idea is to but down a plastic tarp on the ground to prevent humidity
to rise up.
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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:29:53 EST
From: Ross33650
Subject: Re: DML: Preparing for winter storage
Well---
my way of doing it is to put in sta-bil
run the car for 5-10 min to get the injection system
involved with this gas treatment. park the car on a
carpet runner, check tire pressure and plug in the
battery tender(available at sears), put cover over
and forget till spring. others may have different pro-
cedures- I live in Illinois and am the original owner.
Good luck,
jason
ross33650(AT)aol.com
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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 16:47:05 -0500
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: More on my blem parts in Columbus
Marc writes (about the #1280 mirror I got in Columbus):
> Why would the mirror have been removed in the first place??
There were a lot of mirrors in the case, marked with different VINs, and
all of them had flaws. Some even had cracks in the glass. Mine only
had a minor scratch in the plastic. Not a big deal, but it would have been
annoying to someone expecting a brand new, exotic sports car!
I am sure the warehouse has other blem parts removed from other cars.
My observation was that the most careful documentation was done on
the 1981 cars, the earlier the better. Both the factory paperwork and the
documentation on the blem parts themselves seemed to get sparse or
non-existent for 82 - 83 cars.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 22:39:33 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: Re: DML: Preparing for winter storage
> Well, it is getting that time, so I guess I'll be the first to throw the
> question out. This will be the first winter I've owned my DeLorean and I'm
> about to put it away for storage. What steps, should I take to protect
the car
> during these months? Would it be better to run the car for say, 20 minutes
> ever
> week or two and move it forward and back several inches to avoid tire
warp, or
> should I just put some fuel stabilizer in the tank and leave it alone
until
> spring? Besides those of you who use your car in the winter, and you
> lucky bastards who live in warm climates, what has everyone done in past
> years?
I always keep the car in a garage. But even when winter arives, I always
take the car out atleast once a week. I wait until the roads are dry and
no
snow or rain, but a small 20 mile trip just keeps everything working smooth
and nothing special is needed for the winter.
- -BM
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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1986 04:46:30 -0800
From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com"
Subject: Re: DML: Preparing for winter storage
At 08:11 AM 11/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, it is getting that time, so I guess I'll be the first to throw the
>question out. This will be the first winter I've owned my DeLorean and I'm
>about to put it away for storage. What steps, should I take to protect the
car
>during these months? Would it be better to run the car for say, 20 minutes
ever
>week or two and move it forward and back several inches to avoid tire
warp, or
>should I just put some fuel stabilizer in the tank and leave it alone until
>spring? Besides those of you who use your car in the winter, and you
>lucky bastards who live in warm climates, what has everyone done in past
years?
>
>-sean
>vin 3868
>
reply:
Your message will fore sure start some intresting threds........Every one
seams to have their own Ideas about winter storage.
For my self here in California, except for pouring down rain, I have no
intention of a formal winter storage. many in the MidWestern and Eastern US
will store their cars. Each may be different.
Here are some problems you may want to consider in storing your own DMC.
1. Gasoline tends to go "Flat" over time, it also vaporizes leaving a residue.
You could draing the fule system. or run the enging weekely to full warm
it up.
2. Draining the coolant system (to prevent freezing damage.
3. Putting the car on jack stands (wheels off ground) or removal.
4. Disconnect the battery (remove from car).
covering the car with some kind of sealed bag or environmental controle
system. there are actual drive in plasitic bags that are fan inflated
(these have dust filters).
What you suggested will work just fine BTW.
Good Luck
Lee
VIN#5729
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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1986 05:07:16 -0800
From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com"
Subject: Re: DML: Key update
>At 11:21 AM 11/5/97 -0700, you wrote:
>MODERATOR'S NOTE: Lee, could you post the cutoff date for new orders for the
>benefit of us lurkers that are not sure if it's too late?
>
> Knut
Subject: Key project cut off date (K-COD)
Star Date: 97.11.1
K-COD will depend on K-SUD which is planned for November 20, 97
this date depends on Key blanks or no key blanks. I will make molded
keys as long as it takes to get to all DMCnews list members who want them.
In the event that this project become a problem I will let the list know.
According to the insurance company statistics for my age group, I have
about 15 years to get the prokect completed.
Lee
VIN#5729
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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:29:47 +0000 (GMT)
From: Martin Gutkowski
Subject: Re: DML: Silicone Sealant
Hi,
I hope this does add somewhat to the "worn thread".
I have consulted my father, a chartered Mechanical Engineer with a strong
background in Hydraulics and fluids. He told me that the material used in
O-rings and seals in aviation are made from FLOURO-SILICONE based rubber
and are bright orange in colour. This substance can also be bought by the
tube and will be unreactive to Gasoline whereas many other silicone-rubber
compounds will.
Hope that's the lot - sorry to drag this subject out :-)
Martin
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"FUN:- The employment of time in a profitless and non-practical way"
- Kryten 2X4B-523P, Series 4000 Service Mechanoid
Martin Gutkowski
24 Second Avenue
Heworth
York, YO3 0RS
Tel: (01904) 424958
Mobile: (0976) 619759
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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 18:12:38 -0500
From: John Murray
Subject: DML: DeLoreans for sale in FL
Hello everybody! I looked at two D's today that are for sale. I thought
that some VIN #'s and descriptions of these cars would be of interest to
someone. The first one I saw today was 1982 5spd with grey int.
VIN#10965. The odometer SAID 27,553 miles which I think is wrong. The
car was a basket case. Body was pretty good and int worn but fair. It
had the typical hot starting problems and fuel problems. The biggest
thing about this car that makes it a basket case is the fact that the
frame is rusted so bad it looks like swiss cheese. Engine RPM's surged
up and down, window problems and fan relays. Asking price was $12,750. I
offered $6,000. They will call me back. I will not buy it. Second one
was 1981 Auto with black interior VIN#002606. Origional owner since new
and car ran good, NO frame rust and fake recaro seats. 45,000 miles and
the interior has been extensivly modified. Guages of every kind
everywhere. He added Mercedes radiator fans and Zilla window motors.
Everything worked and according to him has been vastly improved. He also
added a trans cooler and removed the center window switches which were
replaced with home made toggle switches. The AC worked awesome, but the
inside looked like crap. Body was great except for the front and rear
facias. Asking price is $14,000. Neither of these cars are for me. I
hope this interested someone. I will purchase a DeLorean from PJ Grady
in Long Island because of their vast knowledge and because they were
VERY helpful and more than willing to answer ANY questions I had while I
was on the phone with them.
John
VIN#-searching!
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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 23:19:43 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: DML: Dealer pamplet.
The other night , while trying to convince this new
girlfriend of mine that the Delorean was actually
"A real Car" that was once manufactured and sold
by dealers, I noticed something in the Dealer Brochure
that I had never noticed before. On page 10 or 11,
there is a photo of the frame, shot from above. I noticed
that there were solid aluminum coolant pipes running
straight from the water pump. My car and all others that
I have looked at, have rubber hoses running from both
ends of the pump to the aluminum pipes on each side of the
engine. Now, is this some early production thing or just one
of those things that never made it to production for some
strange reason ? I know, its a strange thing to notice, but
It has my curiosity.
- -Brandon
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