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Wednesday, November 26 1997 Volume 03 : Number 306
In this issue:
Re: DML: Big Project
DML: Wiring Harness
DML: Anti Sway Bar For Sale
DML: Re: dmcnews-digest V3 #305
DML: Automatic Transmission Specifications
DML: Throttle, Overheating, and Starting problems (and some other bad
DML: My Automatic Transmission problems
DML: Need Digest #274
DML: I got the digest - thanks!
DML: Fwd: Automatic to stick conversion
DML: De Lorean Owner Directory
Re: DML: Anti Sway Bar For Sale
Re: DML: My Automatic Transmission problems
DML: .. My fix list continues ..
DML: Fabric
DML: Need Hood
DML: Web pages delayed
Re: DML: Fabric
DML: Happy Thanksgiving!
Re: DML: .. My fix list continues ..
DML: Re: Cigar lighter and illuminated ring
DML: How fast do I drive my DeLorean?
DML: re: Cigar lighter and illuminated ring
DML: More on the glove box latch and lighter parts
DML: Gauge cluster / side window
DML: DeLorean Club of Oregon latest newsletter uploaded
DML: Steering wheel / door latch assemblies
DML: Columbus Warehouse NEW DATE
Re: DML: How fast do I drive my DeLorean?
DML: delorean in a new movie.
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:49:31 -0700 (MST)
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Big Project
Bruce Benson never ceases to amaze me with his collection of information
and his ability to locate it. The Haglins are still operating in Boulder
at the address and phone number provided by Bruce. I don't believe that
Craig is as active in the business as he once was (an aside, he had some
connection with the DeLorean Motor Company belfore it went belly up). The
shop is now know as Haglin Automotive and is run by his brother, I
believe,
Dana Haglin. I don't know if they still do the tranny swap, but there is
always 2 or 3 DeLoreans parked there
The Rad Dad
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 97 14:15:38 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: DML: Wiring Harness
Looking for the main wiring harness for the Delorean (1982)
Anyone out there have one ????? FOR SALE
- -Brandon
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:07:09 -0800
From: Matt Peak
Subject: DML: Anti Sway Bar For Sale
I have an unopened rear anti-sway bar that I need to sell because I am
completely broke. I never got around to installing the bar because I ran
out of money before I could do it (insurance and registration is milking
the life out of me). I bought the bar last December from Fred Lockett for
$200 and would like to sell it for the same price. If you live in the
S.F.
bay area or the Los Angeles area, I can deliver it to you personally to
save shipping costs (also giving me an excuse to meet a fellow owner).
Matt Peak
mpeak@ucla.edu
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:17:23 -0500 (EST)
From: JAlbin@aol.com
Subject: DML: Re: dmcnews-digest V3 #305
speedo cable -
can someone detail for me the step by step to replace a broke
speedometer
cable?
I broke mine last july and my guess is that there is something chronic
about
this and DMC's
thanks,
jim albin
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:20:11 -0800
From: Andrew Casad
Subject: DML: Automatic Transmission Specifications
I am new the world of DeLoreans and I am trying to gather as much
information as I can before I purchase one. What SPECIFIC type of
automatic transmission is on the DeLorean? All that can find is that it
is a Renault 3-speed. Also, does anyone have specifications for the
5-speed Renault "Alpine" manual transmission used? Thank you very much!
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:39:24 -0600
From: Daniel McGauley
Subject: DML: Throttle, Overheating, and Starting problems (and some other bad
things)
Sender: dmcnews@world.std.com
Precedence: list
Reply-To: dmcnews@world.std.com
Hello DML,
Maybe someone can help shed some light on some problems I'm having with my
new DMC-12.
I bought my DMC two months ago. It ran rough, but decent. It stalled
when
the tank got to about 3/4 full, and it had problems starting cold. I
replaced the thermoswitch which helped for a bit, but then it still had
problems starting. I decided to work on the stalling problem instead. I
opened the fuel tank and virtually everything was mangled or gone,
including the entire suction hose (the reason it stalled at 3/4 of a
tank).
I replaced everything from the baffle to the pump and then started the
engine. It actually started pretty quick and sounded good. I decided to
replace the rotor, cap, wires and plugs (no easy chore .. who designed
this
engine anyway?). The car always ran real rough when it was first started
so I was hoping the replacing off all of these would help. Anyway, once
everything was back together, the engine would turn over and sound good
for
about 1/2 a second, then die instantly. It would do this 2x, then never
even turn over unless it sat for 3 minutes. I checked all the connections
and I got everything back the way it was before. I went ahead and put 7
gallons in the tank and put in chevron/techron concentrate. After about 2
hours of off and on trying to start it, it eventually turned over. It was
VERY rough and barely got going. Now it is still able to start, but only
after about 10-15 cranks, but it does sound better then that first start.
The cold start valve is firing fine, so I'm not sure where to turn from
there. If I shut off the engine, it starts right back up, but if it sits
for 10 minutes, it won't.
When I finally got the car to turn over and stay, I let the car idle for a
bit. It sounded very bad and eventually got a little better. I got
adventuresome and got it on the road. The throttle was useless. I would
step on the peddle and the car would act like it was displeased with me.
It would just chug uncontrollably and not accelerate at all. If I let off
of the peddle, it sounded much better and actually had better
acceleration.
To me, it seemed like the air intake butterflys were working, but that
the
fuel wasn't being added to compensate for the air when the throttle was
depressed. Slow acceleration worked a bit better, but still was
undriveable.
Also, the engine is overheating for the first time since I've been driving
the car. The fan is kicking on fine. Is this from the 100 attempts to
start the car and then running it in idle forever? Any other areas to
check? My temperature gauge works at least!
ALSO, my driver window decided to stop functioning today. It was working
fine this morning. I took out the switch and tried to lower it by
clicking
the contacts directly (in case the switch wasn't seated properly), and no
luck. Any suggestions?
Other interesting things (for those interested):
1) When I got the fuel distributor wires back on, fuel leaked everywhere.
The copper washers are very important, as is the 100 inch/lbs of torque.
2) The low speed idle microswitch (if that's what it's called), wasn't
being activated when the throttle was released. It had to be adjusted to
work. Also, there is another microswitch for the maximum range of the
throttle (there is no way my throttle would ever trigger this). What is
this switch? Activating it didn't do much.
3) Tankzilla is great. The tail light replacement boards are awesome.
The
doorstrut replacements are great.
*************************************************************************
"If you're going to build a time machine out of a car, why not do it
with some style?"
Daniel McGauley (VIN #2903)
Home: hawkeye@creativeworlds.com
Motorola: mcgauley@cig.mot.com
My Home Page: http://www.actlab.utexas.edu/~hawkeye
My DeLorean: http://www.creativeworlds.com/delorean
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:55:57 -0500 (EST)
From: FalcoN374@aol.com
Subject: DML: My Automatic Transmission problems
The Automatic Transmission in the delorean is a little lame. My 81'DMC
is
an automatic and never shifted properly from purchase in 81. Last week I
replaced the automatic transmission governor (586 dollars) in hopes that
i'd
be able to use first gear. After installed the car ran really well for a
change. The next day i took it out, and it was running fine. I stopped
at a
stop light, and when the light turned green i hit the gas like usual, but
instead the car didn't move, it just reved as if it was in neutral. I
tried
over and over again shifting from park to drive with no luck. I towed it
back and raised it. Everything was installed properly and the linkage was
good. So now i am completely lost, could anyone help me? Is the whole
transmission gone?
- -John
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 08:07:02 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Need Digest #274
As part of the redesign on the web pages (still in progress until later
tonight), the back issues are being updated. I find I am missing Digest
#274 (late August) to update the back issues - can someone please email
me a copy?
James
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 08:48:59 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: I got the digest - thanks!
Thanks to all who sent the digest - I have it now!
James
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 09:22:00 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Fwd: Automatic to stick conversion
Please send all postings to "dmcnews@world.std.com"
- ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------
Date: 11/24 9:59 AM
Received: 11/24 9:04 AM
From: Bob Brandys, oehcs@flash.net
To: Espey, James, espey@dmcnews.com
Automatic to stick conversion..? I did the opposite. Trans mounts are
not the same. The automatic has different mounts that are no longer
available. The pedal housing is not the same. This is a major job that
will require a lot of work. I like my car as an automatic much more
than the stick. The automatic keeps in the engine in a high torque
range with a lot less work than the stick.
- ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:14:47 -0500
From: Aldo.Buono@phila.gov
Subject: DML: De Lorean Owner Directory
In the spirit of the Thanksgiving Holiday,
I wanted to extend a public note of Thanks to:
Mike and Patty Substelny
James Espey
Marla Rountree
for the fine job that they did with the
De Lorean Owners Directory.
Both this Mailing List and the Owners Directory contribute
significantly to my Pride Of Ownership of a De Lorean!!!!!
I am looking forward to future editions,
and I encourage all of you to register your De Lorean in it.
Aldo Buono
De Lorean Midatlantic, President
DOC #16
VIN 1440
Plate: DEGULL (PA)
Happy Holidays!!
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:33:30 -0800
From: Dave Price
Subject: Re: DML: Anti Sway Bar For Sale
What exactly is an anti sway bar? Is it standard equipment or a
modification?
Thanks!
Dave Price
davep@humanmachine.com
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 13:13:46 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: Re: DML: My Automatic Transmission problems
> The Automatic Transmission in the delorean is a little lame. My 81'DMC is
> an automatic and never shifted properly from purchase in 81. Last week I
> replaced the automatic transmission governor (586 dollars) in hopes that
> i'd
> be able to use first gear. After installed the car ran really well for a
> change. The next day i took it out, and it was running fine. I stopped
> at a
> stop light, and when the light turned green i hit the gas like usual, but
> instead the car didn't move, it just reved as if it was in neutral. I
> tried
> over and over again shifting from park to drive with no luck. I towed it
> back and raised it. Everything was installed properly and the linkage was
> good. So now i am completely lost, could anyone help me? Is the whole
> transmission gone?
>
> -John
If none of the gears work, including reverse. It would seem like a loss
in Hydraulic Pressure due to a faulty pump or even low fluid. Be sure
your fluid level is correct. This subject could go on forever because
there is so much that can go wrong in the Auto Trans .
- -Brandon
- ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:40:02 -0800
From: Dave Price
Subject: DML: .. My fix list continues ..
Howdy all!
Well, I'm loving being a Delorean owner, these last couple weeks have been
a constant adrenaline rush. I just got some Scotchbrite pads yesterday
and
I am totally blown away with how well they work! Now I've never really
done any work with cars, as far as restoring a damaged paint job, but I
would imagine that it is a million times harder than just brushing the
surface with a scouring pad, that's for sure. The panels on my D were in
(what I thought) pretty bad shape, lots of scuffs and scratches against
the
grain of the brushed finish, but they were just "lifted" away with that
scotchbrite. I am finding it pretty difficult to remove the dust left
behind, it seems to find it's way into the finish... Any nifty tricks for
de-dusting? Does that "california duster" work with
stainless? Or should I just wash the car a few times to work it all out?
I do have a few more questions regarding the restoration of #16228:
1) I'm looking for a few replacement parts, and I was wondering about
prices/availability if anyone knows:
a. drivers side and passenger side door vents
b. ashtray
c. cigar lighter and socket
d. the little rubber piece at the base of the auto trans stick shift.
e. engine compartment prop (I have the metal loop, but the attachment is
gone, and the engine compartment cover seems to have some wear around
where
the prop holds it open, do I need a new compartment cover too? )
2) The wipers don't "come back" when I stop them.. Any Ideas?
3) The delay wiper mode seems to give a little "burst" of about 4", then
stops, it'll do that until it slowly inches across the windshield and
back.. Humorous, but not too useful..
4) On my auto trans:
a. I shift into drive, and it seems to shift into second for the first
little bit of the car running.
b. 2nd and 1st seem to do the same thing, they'll both start in 1st and
shift into second.
Now, this isn't much of a problem, as I can obviously shift into 1st, then
shift into drive when I need to, until the car "warms up" to working in
drive, but It's a little odd, and I'd like things to be working "right".
5) I heard someone was going to be posting how to "rebuild" the rear
window defrost switch. I have several little copper parts inside the
switch, none of which seem to be broken, but it looks as though I may be
missing something, any info on this would be great!
Thanks again!
Dave Price #16228
davep@humanmachine.com
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 22:37:28 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: DML: Fabric
Has anyone ever found a match to the interior delorean
fabric ? I'm determined to find it somewhere. I have managed
to find or make just about everything else that was damaged
or broken on the car I'm restoring . Who knows, give me
enough time, I may figure out how to stamp that drivers
side fender out ! :-)
- -Brandon
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:44:26 -0500 (EST)
From: CDIUSAMPS@aol.com
Subject: DML: Need Hood
Looking for 81 hood with gas flap. Please e-mail if you know of one.
Thanks. BILL
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 06:39:21 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Web pages delayed
Due to server problems and other delays, I pulled the web pages for some
more tweaking and I expect them to be back by the end of the week. Thanks
for your patience and consideration...
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:20:33 -0500 (EST)
From: KKoncelik@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Fabric
The fender is easy.
I've tracked the headliner material back to Germany where it was
installed.
The fabric to my knowledge was a special fabric for the DeLorean and is
not
used anywhere else so to find the exact weave is not likely. I have found
fabric that is close and the correct thickness 1/8" although most people
find
the 1/4" material easier to handle.
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:04:30 CST
From: "Edward Pryor"
Subject: DML: Happy Thanksgiving!
I would like to wish all of the Delorean mailing list people a Happy
Thanksgiving!
Question: What is the fastest speed you have driven your Delorean?
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:13:35 -0500
From: bjr@wwa.com (Billy J. Runyan)
Subject: Re: DML: .. My fix list continues ..
I happen to know the ashtray, cigarette lighter and socket are all stock
from Porche 924 and some Volkswagons.
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 12:56:12 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Re: Cigar lighter and illuminated ring
I saw literally hundreds of both of these items at the warehouse in
Columbus last month.
108288 Cigar Lighter
108501 Illuminated ring
I think they're about $15 each - any of the DeLorean parts houses should
be able to get them for you. Another item that I saw a box full of was
the glove box latches, these are also VW parts. It'd be interesting to
know what the Volkswagen/Porsche equivalent items cost.
James
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:46:32 -0500
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: How fast do I drive my DeLorean?
Ed Pryor asked:
> Question: What is the fastest speed you have driven your Delorean?
I once got mine up to 80 mph on the freeway, but then I backed down
and I will never do it again (well, maybe on a race track . . .).
Years ago I used to have a Trans Am with a 6.6 liter V-8. I drove that
car well into the triple digits every day for many years. Eventually I
killed
the engine driving it so hard, but I got the need for speed worked out of
my system.
I treat my DeLorean like a lady. I want her to last forever.
There is also a "public relations" reason why I don't drive my DeLorean
very fast. People expected my Trans Am to be driven by an obnoxious,
rude teenager who is a menace to everyone on the road, and back then I
was happy to oblige them. Today they don't know what to expect from a
DeLorean, and whatever I do they will remember.
When I drive my DeLorean I know I am in the spotlight. If I drive like an
*sshole it will leave a lasting, bad impression. I don't want people to
think
of the DeLorean as a car for obnoxious young males with testosterone
poisoning. I want them to think of it as a gentleman's car.
So I always drive my DeLorean with skill and courtesy. I don't drive
like a
jerk and I don't drive like a grandma. In speed and style I drive like a
gentleman.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 15:58:50 -0500
From: "Rob Corkum"
Subject: DML: re: Cigar lighter and illuminated ring
On Nov.25, James Espey wrote:
> Another item that I saw a box full of was the glove box latches,
> these are also VW parts. It'd be interesting to know what the
> Volkswagen/Porsche equivalent items cost.
At one time I was considering finding a locking glove box latch
that I saw advertised somewhere, probably in DeLorean World. Now
that I may have something more valuable than gloves in there (for
car shows, etc.) is there a locking latch available still/again?
Maybe the equivalent VW/Porsche part may have a locking unit?
Thanks to anyone with info,
//Rob//
rob.corkum@technologist.com
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 14:40:31 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: More on the glove box latch and lighter parts
On 11/25/97 9:04 PM, Rob Corkum shared these fine thoughts...
>At one time I was considering finding a locking glove box latch
>that I saw advertised somewhere, probably in DeLorean World. Now
>that I may have something more valuable than gloves in there (for
>car shows, etc.) is there a locking latch available still/again?
I, too, considered putting a locking glove box latch on my car, and
posted a similar request here on the list a LONG time ago. I was
persuaded that it was probably not a good idea in light of the
considerable damage that could be done by a thief getting in the glove
box. While I think you could argue the case either way, it was not worth
the potential damage to me.
James
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:05:56 -0800
From: Dave Price
Subject: DML: Gauge cluster / side window
I read a while back there was some place that "updated" the gauge cluster
on Deloreans, does anyone have info on them, and what exactly they do? I
just feel a little pathetic when my Geo Metro has more modern looking
gauges than my Delorean. I'd love to have an all digital display, but I
don't think that'll be possible, especially with my budget, any info would
be great!
Also, my driver's side "teeny" window is scratched like something is
grinding against it when it rolls up and down. Does anyone know of
replacement windows, or if anyone else has (or has had) this problem, and
how to fix it, and if some of those places that can remove cracks and
chips
from windows would work on it..? Thanks!!!
Dave
#16228
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 16:48:00 PST
From: Knut S Grimsrud
Subject: DML: DeLorean Club of Oregon latest newsletter uploaded
For those interested in the Oregon regional club activities, I just
uploaded the latest issue of the DeLorean Club of Oregon newsletter.
It can be accessed from the DMC FAQ portion of the DMCNews web page at
www.dmcnews.com/faq/faq.htm click the "Club" tab of the FAQ and go to
"Newsletter back issues." Enjoy.
Knut Grimsrud
DeLorean Club of Oregon
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 07:19:22 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: DML: Steering wheel / door latch assemblies
The steering wheel must come off ! And it refuses
to budge. Any ideas ??
ALSO, has anyone every replaced the door latch assemblies ?
I was just curious of the price. I hate calling the supply people
and asking them. Mine work but I want new ones. Previous owner
was in the practice of locking the doors with the switch when getting
out and not locking them with the key. This habbit causes excess wear
on the assemblies. Thats a FYI if you didn't already know that ! :-)
- -Brandon
bsmoody@kih.net
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:16:14 -0500 (EST)
From: KKoncelik@aol.com
Subject: DML: Columbus Warehouse NEW DATE
Since many of you were interested in a return trip to the Columbus
Warehouse
and have asked me if I could arrange it as part of the Cincinnati Delorean
Car show (featuring Eastern Regional Delorean Run 8) I have.
All information will be posted on the DeLorean Car Show home page in the
events section at http://idt.net/~dmc1219.
Stephen agreed last week to host the open house on Sunday June 14th 1998
as the
Sunday event. We will need to know who will be driving and who needs
rides.
Details are still being worked out.
The Cincinnati DeLorean Car Show will be held June 12th thru the 14th,
1998.
For details not listed on the web page you can e-mail me direct at
kkoncelik@aol.com. Registration is required.
The weekend is open to all DeLorean car owners, enthusiasts and BTTF fans.
This event is non club or association affiliated. All clubs are welcome
to
send in information about yourselves and I will include it in the web
site so
everyone can see what groups are attending.
There will be tech sessions, Car show, dinners and social events,
pictures,
part sales, T-shirts, and of course the Columbus Warehouse tour by Stephen
Wynne.
Also included in this home page starting in mid December will be a Tech
Talk
section featuring Rob Grady. His first topic will be weatherstrip. Look
for
it starting in mid December.
The Web page is updated bi-weekly and was my first attempt at a web site
so
if something does not work on your system please e-mail me back and we'll
get
it fixed.
Thanks
Ken
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:32:41 +0000 (GMT)
From: Martin Gutkowski
Subject: Re: DML: How fast do I drive my DeLorean?
Just a quick addition to Mike's post. I don't know what the police are
like in the States as regards speeding (I know it varies greatly from
state to state), but here in England, I always drive my
inconspicuous-common-as-muck Citroen at 85-90 mph, and in the two years of
owning it, I haven't been stopped for any reason.
The owner of one of the D's that was in Birmingham got stopped doing 75mph
(limit's 70). He didn't get charged, the cops just wanted an excuse to
take a look at his car :-)
Martin
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:46:56 -0500 (EST)
From: ATMorgan1@aol.com
Subject: DML: delorean in a new movie.
The new movie, "The Wedding Singer" starring Adam Sandler is going to
have a
Delorean in it. It is due out in a few months.
ATM
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