Thursday, November 5 1998 Volume 03 : Number 438
In this issue:
Re: DML: De Lorean Limo??
DML: Rear Window Modification
DML: Re: Engine stall
DML: RE: Re: Engine stall
DML: posting, help wanted engine operation
Re: DML:Monstertruck
RE: DML: Delorean body repair
DML: Re remote door release.
DML: Re: posting, help wanted engine operation
DML: Braided SS Brake Lines
Re: DML:Monstertruck
DML: Windows
Re: DML: Braided SS Brake Lines
DML:Monstertruck
DML: re: 4x4 D pictures
DML: RE: automatic opening doors
Re: DML: silver wheels
DML: [long] new/old dml'r
DML: JZD's patents
Re: DML: Windows
DML: Grey rims for sale
DML: Possible fuel pump problems
DML: DeLorean Limo / Custom Fiberglass...
DML: Re: Possible Fuel Pump Problems
Re: DML: Where to get Battery Buddy?
DML: Firestar 500
DML: Headliner removal
Re: DML: Windows
Re: DML: Firestar 500
Re: DML: Possible fuel pump problems
Re: DML: Windows
Re: DML: Firestar 500
DML: Body Damage (was: WTB: Passenger side fender (front)
Re: DML: Re remote door release.
Re: DML: Firestar 500
DML: Antennea relay power
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:18:17 EST From: ShadowDMC(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: De Lorean Limo??
In a message dated 11/3/98 12:27:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, eddie5150(AT)hotmail.com writes:
<< When I went to the 1997 DeLorean Midwest Connection Fall Technical Session I overheard Don Steger talking about his dream to build a four-door DeLorean, or a limo Delorean. >>
This is not a compleatly absurd idea. In Miami we have a Hummer Limo, and I think someone in New York made a limo out of a mid 90s Corvette. It's not totally out of the question.
Orlando Lopez #06882
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 08:48:41 -0800 From: Jason Perkins <jperkins(AT)microsoft.com> Subject: DML: Rear Window Modification
This past weekend I was asked a question I have yet to have seen posted- and could not find any information in past posts. Though it may not seem that important (especially to those who have mechanical problems), I admit it had me wondering. The question was as follows:
Since the DeLorean has such a poor fresh airflow, due to it's small windows, has there ever been any modifications to the rear window that has helped in providing a better circulation? I.E. The Honda Civic Del-Sol has a rear window that goes down; Many pickup trucks have the option to open a sliding rear window.
Why would you want to make such a change.... Well that's another post in itself!
Jason T. Perkins #16665
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 09:52:39 -0500 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: Re: Engine stall
Michael Pack said:
> My girlfriend washed the car and after some stainless polish we > went for a sunday drive.... about 30 min later the engine quit. We > restarted 4 times in less than 5 minutes. We rested for about 25 > minutes and then restarted and drove home. I have not driven the > car since sunday.
You haven't given us much info, but my instinct says this is a simple problem related to the fuel tank. Perhaps you were just low on fuel and / or your fuel tank baffel / inlet assembly is loose inside the tank. A loose fuel inlet wandering around in the tank can cause a DeLorean to stall at random. You might also have a small leak in your inlet hose; that can have a simlar but less random effect.
The questions might provide clues:
Just before the engine died, did it sputter at all? Did it stumble or stall out while braking or turning corners? Does your fuel gauge read accurately? If you fill the tank all the way, does the car run just fine?
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:32:46 -0500 From: Chris Coplen <Blarness(AT)ix.netcom.com> Subject: DML: RE: Re: Engine stall
Mine used to do that too. It used to do it when it rained as well. I = changed the cap, rotor, wires, plugs and timed it. It never did it = again. I have to give my DeLorean a "tune" up like this every 6000 = miles to prevent that from happening. It develops quite a bit of scale = on the terminals inside the cap. I don't know why. I don't drive it = that much. I do live in Michigan where it gets wet quite a bit.
Chris #3876 Lic "GIGAWAT"
- -----Original Message----- From: Michael Pack [SMTP:mpack1(AT)tiger.towson.edu] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 8:22 AM To: dmcnews-digest(AT)world.std.com Subject: DML: Re: Engine stall
>Hello all > >Another day with the D. > >My girlfriend washed the car and after some stainless polish we went for a >sunday drive.... about 30 min later the engine quit. We restarted 4 times >in less than 5 minutes. We rested for about 25 minutes and then >restarted and drove home. I have not driven the car since sunday. > >What do you think the problem is??
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 12:45:17 EST From: Deluxeauto(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: posting, help wanted engine operation
1981 runs like there is a major vacuum leak with NO throttle control. Runs rough at idle and by moving sensor plate engine RPM picks up and engine smooths out. Throughout, there is a bad odor, most of which is unburned fuel.
There is adequate spark, ignition wires and timing has been check by three different knowledgeable people at least 6 times and there is no discernable vacuum leak checking with propane.
There is seemingly plenty of vacuum at the cold start valve/auxiliary air pipe join, yet there is a definite loss of vacuum at the manifold. The loss is huge judging by the fact that we can block off the air inlet at the sensor plate completely and the engine will still continue to run!
This all started out as just a simple "tune-up" with new rotor, cap, plugs and wires. The cap, rotor and wires appeared to be original and the plugs had been miscapped at perhaps .010 inches.
The mixture control unit with the inter inlet manifold were removed as a unit allowing us to gain access to the distributor. The old cap and rotor match up well to the new.
Before anything was done, the engine ran and was driveable with positive throttle control. There was some minor idle seeking +/- a few hundred RPM and fairly smooth running and acceleration. Under load and at higher speeds, it would have a pronounced miss- kind of what you would expect on a 71,000 mile engine with poor plugs, wires, cap and rotor.
Remember there is no throttle control!
By the way, my son had just purchased the car a few weeks earlier.
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 10:58:34 -0500 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML:Monstertruck
From what I understand.. IT IS REAL!
Joe Palatinus wrote: > > But, on the same note.. I always get a kick out of this guy: > http://www.in2time.com/ > and speaking of weird modified deloreans, anyone have the picture of the > Monster Truck DMC? > I have a picture of it but the site I found it on no longer exists. I > scanned in the printed copy of the picture and uploaded it to my friends > web site so excuse the quality. it is at > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/3870/monsterd.GIF to be quite > honest > with you I thought it was real. > Joe P. > Vin 0006808
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 11:01:01 -0500 (EST) From: DJS912(AT)webtv.net (Danny Smith) Subject: RE: DML: Delorean body repair
Chis - I spoke to a guy at the bodyshop of Pfeiffer Linc.-Murc (Grand Rapids, Mi.) a few days ago concerning my door ding. His name is Scott, and he said they could most likely take care of it in 1 day (but you know how that can go),although he told me not to expect to be able to wait there for it. G.R. is about 3 hrs. each way from the Det. area, so this could involve lots of driving and following. But in response to your post, I found the opposite to be true - he was very encouraging about working on our D's Dan
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 13:22:13 -0800 From: "Murray Fisher" <murrayf(AT)bmi.net> Subject: DML: Re remote door release.
Darryl Tinnerstet, who owns Specialty Automotive, has all the answers to the Remote Door Release. He is in McCleary,WA Phone: 360-495-4640 Fax: 360-495-4680 darryl(AT)techline.com . He sells complete plans with photographs and diagrams and where to buy the solenoids that will work.
It should be no problem with the extra weight in the doors. IF it does not "spring" all the way up just do the regular adjustment on the torsion bar a notch.
I know of several who have this installed. Like Darryl says, it is fun to head for your car in the super market parking lot, hit the button, and without breaking your stride, slip into the seat! To make it even more spectacular, you might install the remote start setup like I have!
Murray Fisher VIN:05962 Lic:DMC-XII
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:47:41 -0600 From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut(AT)postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: posting, help wanted engine operation
> There is seemingly plenty of vacuum at the cold start > valve/auxiliary air pipe join, yet there is a definite loss of > vacuum at the manifold. The loss is huge judging by the fact > that we can block off the air inlet at the sensor plate > completely and the engine will still continue to run! > > The mixture control unit with the inter inlet manifold were > removed as a unit allowing us to gain access to the distributor. > The old cap and rotor match up well to the new.
Check the rubber gasket, part #102772, between the throttle valve ass'y and the mix unit's lower housing. This gasket is actually two rubber coated plates sandwiched together by a thick rubber center section. The center rubber section can tear if your not careful when removing the manifolding, throttle linkage and such while removeing the fuel mix unit. If it tears it leaves a huge vacuum leak and it becomes very difficult to control the throttle. I use carb cleaner to look for vacuum leaks. I think it's a bit safer than propane. This may not be your problem but your discription certainly sounds like it is. You should be able to get the part through a Volvo dealer but he'll most likely have to order it. The DeLorean shops might be a better choice.
You should also check the auxilary air pipe that goes from the idle control motor into the lower housing of the mix unit. It's a bugger to get back right as it's hard to see. Without it inserted into the mix unit, you have a hole bigger than your thumb sucking air in.
Bruce Benson
Bruce Benson
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:13:50 EST From: WINGD2(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: Braided SS Brake Lines
It seems some of the braided SS brake line kits have gotten to some of
the
owners on this list and it has generated new interest from some of their
buddies after seeing them. Since they were "made to order" the last time,
and
I have no extra sets left over, we're going to do it one more time, just
like
befor.
The kits we're talking about are braided stainless steel brake lines
which
replace the stock rubber brake hoses on the Delorean. These kits were
developed by myself and a friend who is the senior engineer for a company
in
the OEM automotive hose business in Europe. They are a top quality
product and
are made specifically as an exact replacement for the stock lines on the
car.
They are a 4 line kit and meet USA-DOT and European-TUV standards and are
approved for highway use.
Cost is $120 per set. Est'd delivery is 3 to 4 weeks.
Like befor, if you're interested in a set, e-mail me and let me know. The way we work it is, You send me a check to hold your kit. I'll place your check in my file drawer until I receive the kits. When I ship your kit to you, I'll deposit your check. If, for some reason, the kits don't make it, I'll return your check.
Send your check to: Marty Maier
704 Valley Drive
East Alton, ILL 62024
Comments from the guys who have kits are welcome.
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 15:41:00 -0800 From: bpayne(AT)macnet.com (Brandon J. Payne) Subject: Re: DML:Monstertruck
>>From what I understand.. IT IS REAL! > Is it a fake?! I have the picture from Car and Driver, and it sure looks real to me.
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:13:47 EST From: Jimbo0946(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: Windows
Just wondering, what would it take to convert the side windows of the DeLorean to regular full size windows? I remember reading somewhere that one guy did this conversion, but it cost him $10,000. Sounds kind of steep.
JimmyC
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 20:18:04 EST From: JSteuben(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Braided SS Brake Lines
Hi Marty, Funny you should mention the S.S. brake lines. I just put the set you sent me on the car and....Bravo! Thanks again, Joe
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 98 18:32:56 MST From: <PhillipsJT00.CS09.USAFA(AT)usafa.af.mil> Subject: DML:Monstertruck
The monster truck is real. A while back it was talked about on the list and several members have seen it driving around at car shows and Vegas. I believe the body is sitting on a Chevy Blazer frame.
Jeff Phillips
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:19:53 -0800 From: DeLorean <delorean(AT)compusnet.com> Subject: DML: re: 4x4 D pictures
Hi, I have two versions of the 4x4 DeLorean picture, one is the full page and the other is enlarged so the writing can be read, if anybody would like these pictures feel free to mail me or wait a few days and ill post them on my site.
John Heflin http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/mezzanine/1507
Also, would Ian Foster please send me an email, your address was somehow deleted from my puter, meaning I no longer have it, and I need to get in touch with you. Sorry to use the list for this, thanks.
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 18:58:27 +0000 From: "darryl(AT)techline.com" <darryl(AT)techline.com> Subject: DML: RE: automatic opening doors
I can provide a how-to on this. Its a great effect I've added to several of my DeLoreans over the years. Its not all that difficult, and uses either a keyless entry or alarm system for activation. Contact me directly, or I believe it will be published in an upcoming 'zine, right James?
Darryl Tinnerstet Specialty Automotive 4 LaBelle Lane McCleary, WA 98557 PH: 360-495-4640 FAX: 360-495-4680
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:51:27 -0600 From: Thomas Bohmier <Bohmier(AT)sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: DML: silver wheels
I have another dark gray rear wheel. Who knows your car my be the one that I owned 12 years ago. Apparently the car, after I traded it in, went to Maine or Boston area. Does it have a black interior, a GM fan motor and a gas flap in the hood?
Anyone need a dark gray rear wheel for a friendly price? ( They sell for about $400.00 - friendly is about $250.00 to your door)
I also have two extra DMC shop manuals for a friendly price. (Twenty five dollars to your door)
D.J. LaForge wrote:
> My black 1981 D has three original silver wheels, and one gray one. > Apparently the previous owner replaced the driver's side rear wheel at > some > point with one that doess not match the others. I need to find someone, > preferably in northern CA, with a good condition sliver wheel for sale. I > would also like to trade or sell my excellent condition gray wheel. > > I would appreciate any clues as to where I might look for this... Thanks! > > -D.J. LaForge > > VIN 07135 >
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Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 21:16:36 +0000 From: "darryl(AT)techline.com" <darryl(AT)techline.com> Subject: DML: [long] new/old dml'r
Now that I'm finally online and officially a DMCNews subscriber, I wanted to take this opportunity to introduce myself to the list readers. Many of you know me and my mail-order DeLorean parts business, Specialty Automotive, which has been selling new and used parts for nearly 13 years. In that time I've owned 6 DeLoreans, including the "81 mile found-in-a-bedroom" car now in Switzerland, and my well-known supercharged Chevy powered daily driver. I also dismantled 6 more cars, adding to my stock of over 10,000 parts. But in February '96 my life took a nasty turn, and my business was an unfortunate casualty. And I'm sure a lot of people wondered just what had happened.
After 25 years my marriage fell apart, due to long standing difficulties, and I moved out. I had been holding off until my 2 kids got out of school, but didn't quite make it. Anyway, the divorce was legal hell, with her stealing some $14,000 worth of left fenders and other parts, and as many of you apparently know also doing her best to ruin me. I ended up getting most of the parts back (they had been awarded to me, but she took them anyway), and eventually got my house, shop, parts, both DeLoreans, both kids, and the dog back. $40,000 in legal fees later I was finally free.
During all this I was so fed up I vowed to never get involved with anyone again, and to make sure was not even dating. But an interesting thing happened. I went to my 30th high school class reunion, and got talking to a woman there who I've known since we were 7 (who I had seen once in 30 years) about our respective divorces and lives. Next thing I knew we were dating, and 36 days later were engaged! We got married 7/25/98, exactly a year after the reunion, sold my house, and bought a place in a small town on 5 acres. There were 7 DeLoreans at the wedding and one on top of the cake. And I've never been happier. The business, which was nearly in ruins, is starting to pick up, and now that I'm advertising and on the net, a lot of old customers are coming back. Its been a long haul, but things are definitely looking up.
As for my car, I put a supercharged Chev 4.3 V-6 in a neglected, engine-less 17,000 mile car, and have been driving it for 3 years now. I made my own adapter, motor mounts, and headers, and everything is chromed and polished including all 4 sides of the engine compartment. It handles and rides very well, and never overheats - its the coolest running DeLorean I have owned. It is very fast and super reliable. There will be a full article about it in an upcoming DMCNews-zine. Luckily I got to keep this car in trade for other property, but my other project car became an issue in settlement. An earlier DeLorean had been sold in '95 to finance my daughter's college education. In fairness to my son, who was close to graduation, I proposed to the judge that I be given custody of the car, complete its restoration, and sell it for his college. The judge agreed, but due to my subsequent remarriage and moving, its completion has lagged. So now it is being offerred for sale as is. If anyone is interested in a 12,000 mile gray interior A/T with a polished and chromed turbocharged motor, see my ad under classifieds or e-mail me direct.
As a new subscriber to DMCNews I hope to be able to provide some insight from my years of owning, driving, modifying, and selling parts for these unique cars. I can also provide how-to info on remote control opening doors, the correct way to fix fan fail relay problems for practically nothing, and many other tips. Feel free to contact me by e-mail directly, or call evenings or weekends. Take care and happy motoring.
Darryl Tinnerstet Specialty Automotive 4 LaBelle Lane McCleary, WA 98557 PH: 360-495-4640 FAX: 360-495-4680
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 03:31:36 -0500 From: "Mike Thomas" <comptrol(AT)ici.net> Subject: DML: JZD's patents
I was looking up some patents the other night and decided to look for = any that ZD may be involved in. He is specified as the inventor of the = Delorean door mechanism among other things. His latest was in 1993. If = you are interested, the URL is:
http://patents.uspto.gov/cgi-bin/ifetch4?INDEX+PATBIB-ALL+0+23650+4+3+418= 926+OF+1+7+1+IN%2f%22Delorean%2c+John%22
If that doesn't work, use the main patent search page, URL:
http://patents.uspto.gov/access/search-bool.html
and type Delorean, John in the box labeled Term 1. Select "inventor = name" from the list in the Field 1 box and hit the search button.
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:32:04 -0500 (EST) From: DJS912(AT)webtv.net (Danny Smith) Subject: Re: DML: Windows
It amazes me how many of you (newer I assume) owners seem to want to chop up and "modify" the realitively few of these pieces of automotive history left. All the changing and cutting that's done to them will only make the original condition cars more valuable when prices finally rise (and they will - it took the E Type Jags well over 20 years, and there were large numbers of those produced). I think that mechanical upgrades such as Fanzilla ect. are fine and can be reversed in the future for the really purist collector;but once the body's been hacked the car's future desirability is comprimised. Dan
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:21:44 -0600 From: "Duke" <at88mph(AT)mobis.com> Subject: DML: Grey rims for sale
I have a set of the grey rims for sale. I MUST SELL THESE QUICK!!!. = The rims were only on the D for 123 miles and are brand new. Please = email me directly with offers. =20
Thanks,
Duke=20 at88mph(AT)mobis.com
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 19:47:16 +1100 From: "R. Haslewood" <delorean(AT)zip.com.au> Subject: DML: Possible fuel pump problems
G'day fellas,
My dad is looking at buying a particular DeLorean in Sydney, but there is just one problem - It won't start. He and the guy that's looking after it suspect that it may be the fuel pump due to that fact that the car hasn't been started in months.
I've searched the back issues for information on fuel pumps, but all I could find was info on replacement "Bosch" F.P.'s. My question is, can anyone tell us the procedure for accessing the fuel pump and (if possible) fixing it?
BTW, if anyone has any other ideas as to why the car won't start, we'd be grateful for your input.
Thanks in advance...
R. Haslewood, Sydney Australia http://www.zip.com.au/~delorean/
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 23:14:19 -0800 From: "Dave Price" <davep2(AT)clipper.net> Subject: DML: DeLorean Limo / Custom Fiberglass...
>This is not a compleatly absurd idea. In Miami we have a Hummer Limo, >and I >think someone in New York made a limo out of a mid 90s Corvette. It's not >totally out of the question. >
Except that you can't make stainless steel panels out of fiberglass. I'd like to meet the guy that could make the panels for the limo pictured in the 'zine.
Speaking of fiberglass... I have been considering learning how to fiberglass so I can construct some custom parts for my DeLorean. I wanted to make a louver replacement that would make the rear end look more like a Lamborghini or Farrari, with the rear sides dipping down into a flat vented engine cover, and possibly adding a spoiler. I was also looking into a rear facia cover that would replace the stock light fixtures/license plate holder with something more appealing (like circular lights a-la Corvette/Diablo).
Can anyone offer any advice/assistance on the matter? So far I've built custom tail light fixtures out of wood, and tinted plastic. Looks nice, much cooler than the 80's waffle lights... I can post pictures if anyone is interested in how it looks...
I really want to design and build updates that are "bolt-on", and can be added and removed exactly like their stock equivalents... The car is just too cool to be "cursed" with a few things that make it look dated.
Thanks all!
- - Dave
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:49:37 -0500 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: Re: Possible Fuel Pump Problems
R. Haslewood asked for ideas why a DeLorean in Australia won't start:
> . . . suspect that it may be the fuel pump due to that fact > that the car hasn't been started in months.
Good grief, you haven't given us much to go on! Yes, a car that has not been run for a long time might have fuel problems. Those problems could even be severe. You might start by removing the cover from the air intake on the engine and looking / sniffing for gasoline. If there is absolutely no gas there then you might indeed have a fuel pump problem.
> I've searched the back issues for information on fuel > pumps, but all I could find was info on replacement > "Bosch" F.P.'s.
This is surprising. Search again! There should be a LOT of information about all sorts of fuel problems in the back issues, including how to access the pump.
> My question is, can anyone tell us the procedure for accessing > the fuel pump and (if possible) fixing it?
Open the luggage compartment. Remove the spare tire. Now remove the access panel below the spare tire. You are looking at the top of the fuel tank, and the pump is that big thing with wires and hoses going to it.
Before you yank the pump out, try cranking the engine very briefly, just 1-2 seconds. You should hear the fuel pump whirring. If you don't hear it then the pump isn't getting power. Check electrical connections, starting with the inertia switch.
Maybe the car is just low on gas. DeLorean fuel guages are notorious for reading "FULL" when they are actually empty.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:35:47 -0600 From: Bill Marcussen <billmarcussen(AT)sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: DML: Where to get Battery Buddy?
Wal-mart sells them at the best price I have found.
Bill
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:48:42 -0500 From: edds202(AT)juno.com (Andrew w Edds) Subject: DML: Firestar 500
Hi, I was just curious as to what ever happened to the Firestar 500, the super-DeLorean that could supposedly go over 200 m/h. I would love for that to become reality except it would probly make DMC-12 prices skyrocket. Thanks so much for this great mailing list.
Andy
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:44:24 -0500 From: "DOUG T VENNER" <DMC12(AT)prodigy.net> Subject: DML: Headliner removal
Before I take out my center headliners I wanted to make sure I knew how they come out. From what I can tell, you remove the sun-visors, and the inner door weatherstripping. Now what holds it in the middle? plastic christmas trees? I just what to know before I start tugging on something I shouldn't. Any advice would be great. Thanx Doug Venner NJ 16680 DMC12(AT)prodigy.net
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:58:56 EST From: Jimbo0946(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Windows
I wasn't going to change a thing on my DeLorean. The only thing I put in extra to my car was a cd changer that can be taken out very easy. I was just curious to how much it would cost.
JimmyC
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 20:47:26 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Wilson <fluffy(AT)snurgle.org> Subject: Re: DML: Firestar 500
On Wed, 4 Nov 1998, Andrew w Edds wrote:
> I was just curious as to what ever happened to the Firestar 500, > the super-DeLorean that could supposedly go over 200 m/h. I would love
Nothing. JZD is getting old, is not in excellent health, rather poor financially these days, and unfortunately not very credible in the auto world any more. There were a few attempts to restart DMC and unfortunately none of them were successful because JZD had essentially no credibility after the drug trial and close of DMC, even though he was acquitted and also won all his civil cases. What with the recession being over and jobs being at less of a premium neither the USA nor Canada (who had probably had enough with Bricklin) were terribly interested in another DeLorean boondoggle and the UK was of course out of the question.
I don't think that the Firestar ever proceeded beyond the rumor stage, even though the rumors persist to this day.
My guess is that the Firestar would have materialized as a DMC-12 option package in about 1986 and gradually transformed into the supercar it was supposed to be. For a similar story, see the Toyota Celica/Supra. At this point the Firestar would (in my estimation) be roughly like a McLaren crossed with an NSX and would cost between $100,000 and $200,000.
Hey, while we're on the subject, does anyone know what issues of Car & Driver and/or Road & Track the original DeLorean reviews appeared in? It might be fun to look those up.
> for that to become reality except it would probly make DMC-12 prices > skyrocket. Thanks so much for this great mailing list.
Get one while they're hot... ;)
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 20:56:25 -0500 From: haldeman <haldeman(AT)fuse.net> Subject: Re: DML: Possible fuel pump problems
It could be the inertia switch has gotten tripped. Check under the dash on the driver's side next to the clutch pedal for a little black plastic box with a plunger mechanism. If it is showing red, it is tripped, and has disconnected the fuel pump (used in the event of a sudden stop as in a crash). Its a simple check and easy to fix.
David Haldeman Cincinnati VIN 5102
"R. Haslewood" wrote:
> G'day fellas, > > My dad is looking at buying a particular DeLorean in Sydney, but there is > just one problem - It won't start. He and the guy that's looking after it > suspect that it may be the fuel pump due to that fact that the car hasn't > been started in months. > > I've searched the back issues for information on fuel pumps, but all I > could > find was info on replacement "Bosch" F.P.'s. My question is, can anyone > tell > us the procedure for accessing the fuel pump and (if possible) fixing it? > > BTW, if anyone has any other ideas as to why the car won't start, we'd be > grateful for your input. > > Thanks in advance... > > R. Haslewood, > Sydney Australia > http://www.zip.com.au/~delorean/
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 20:58:52 -0500 From: haldeman <haldeman(AT)fuse.net> Subject: Re: DML: Windows
I couldn't agree more - even as the part owner (with my two sons) of a "drive" car - the goal is to drive "The DeLorean" - not a chop car!
David Haldeman VIN 5102
Danny Smith wrote:
> It amazes me how many of you (newer I assume) owners seem to want to > chop up and "modify" the realitively few of these pieces of automotive > history left. All the changing and cutting that's done to them will only > make the original condition cars more valuable when prices finally rise > (and they will - it took the E Type Jags well over 20 years, and there > were large numbers of those produced). I think that mechanical upgrades > such as Fanzilla ect. are fine and can be reversed in the future for the > really purist collector;but once the body's been hacked the car's future > desirability is comprimised. Dan
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 21:35:16 -0500 From: Dan <dan(AT)angband.org> Subject: Re: DML: Firestar 500
On Wed, Nov 04, 1998 at 03:48:42PM -0500, Andrew w Edds wrote: > Hi, > I was just curious as to what ever happened to the Firestar 500, > the super-DeLorean that could supposedly go over 200 m/h.
Oh lord, not this again.
It was a pipe dream from 1986 that never got further than some stylist's sketchpad. A sketch was published in Motor Trend in Jan. 1986, p. 17
The only thing you'll get that's close to it is a Ferrari F-40. They used some of the styling details from the Firestar500 on it, notably the exhaust location and the huge rear wing. Check out US patent D306274
Let us never speak of this forevermore.
Dan
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 23:26:52 EST From: ShadowDMC(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: Body Damage (was: WTB: Passenger side fender (front)
In a message dated 11/2/98 11:05:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, espey(AT)dmcnews.com writes:
<< Just curious to see if there is a passenger side front fender available for my "bruised" DeLorean. Prefer one without an antenna hole, but I'm told that they can be welded up, so I'll consider one of those as well. Email me! Thanks! >>
I was curious when I read this post about welding the body panels. I have one of these antenna holes in the front right fender and I would love to get rid of it. Someone in my area just removed the antenna from the front fender and capped the hole. I have some questions about this whole welding deal. How much does it cost? How good does it match a new panel? How big of an area can be filled in?
Thanks,
Orlando Lopez #-06882
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 00:11:22 EST From: NJP548(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Re remote door release.
Hey List,
I just wanted to say that I just got the Remote door release kit in today and I am going to install it Saturday. I do have one question, in order to run the wires through the door, I want to run the wires where they already are going through. I was wondering if anyone on the list could tell me how to take the interior ceiling apart so I can run the wires through. I plan on putting the module and relays in the locking box behind the driver's seat. This kit has 4 channels so I am going to be able to hook this right up to my door locks so it will lock and unlock my doors too. I think this is the easiest kit around for anyone. All you need to get are longer wires to splice with the wires they already gave you and a couple Male-Female connectors to make the job nice and clean.
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 22:28:32 -0800 From: Mike Hirko <wawazat1(AT)aone.com> Subject: Re: DML: Firestar 500
I have articles on DeLoreans in the following magazine issues: ROAD & TRACK, Dec '81: " TESTED:DELOREAN-WORTH ITS WAIT?" *** MOTOR TREND, May '81: "DELOREAN-First Drive!" and April '82: "IMPORT CAR '82: PRESENTING THE FABULOUS FOURTEEN" (which includes the DeLorean) also "Win a DELOREAN - Grand Prize in Petersen's 1982 Automotive Sweepstakes"!!! (anyone have an idea what vin & who has it???) (they also tested an M-1 Abrams TANK in this issue!!!) *** CAR and DRIVER, May '81: "DELOREAN: Gull-winged, stainless-steel jet-set dream come true" and July '81: "THE DELOREAN QUESTION-Will quality problems derail DeLorean's dream car?" and Dec '81: " SPORTS-CAR SHOWDOWN - - DeLorean versus Porsche, Ferrari, Corvette, Datsun Turbo" and July '82: "DECLINE AND FALL - DeLorean's gull-wing in a tailspin.
Mike Hirko
Bill Wilson wrote:
> Hey, while we're on the subject, does anyone know what issues of Car & > Driver and/or Road & Track the original DeLorean reviews appeared in? It > might be fun to look those up. >
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 02:10:16 -0500 From: Steve <dmc(AT)fdt.net> Subject: DML: Antennea relay power
My power antennea isn't working properly. I'd like to confirm that the red wire with the inline fuse going to the clear plastic relay in the compartment *similar* to the relay compartment that is behind the *drivers* seat is supposed to have +12V on it. I'd also like to confirm that this is the same red wire that is plugged into the module (thermal breaker I beleive) that is providing power for and located next to the door lock module in the realy compartment on the other side of the car.
As it stands now, I read very little or no voltage on the red wire on the drivers side, but read +12V on the passanger's side. The other wire going to the relay is switched between ground and N/C when the radio is turned on and off. The power antennae functions when I apply a 12V power source to it (without the clear relay). I beleive that the red wire is broken between the left and right sides of the car. I'd appreciate info pertaining to accessing the wire loom that follows this path and any similar situations anyone on the list may have experienced.
I have also noticed that the power antennae circuit is absent from the wiring diagrams that I have, and I plan to draw up the circuit and post it to a web page after I get mine working properly. (It's a rather simple circuit, but handy to have at any rate)
-Steve <dmc(AT)fdt.net> VIN #17117
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