Sunday, November 8 1998 Volume 03 : Number 439
In this issue:
DML: ENGINE LATCH "STRIKER"
DML: Re: Headliner removal
DML: Re: Headliner removal
Re: DML: Possible fuel pump problems
DML: RE: Headliner removal
DML: RE: Re: Headliner removal
Re: DML: ENGINE LATCH "STRIKER"
DML: Officially the "Holiday Season"
DML: Another Weird Electrical thing..
DML: Speaking of Greeting Cards...
DML: Re: Original Road and Track Reviews
Re: DML: Re remote door release
DML: Firestar/DMC
Re: DML: Re remote door release
DML: RE: DeLorean limo; welding panels; and modifiying cars
DML: RE: running wires for remote door openers
Re: DML: Firestar/DMC
DML: RE: headliner removal & warpage cure
Re: DML: Re: Headliner removal
DML: Re: Firestar/DMC
DML: latch assembly
DML: Re: posting, help wanted engine operation
DML: Re: Antenna relay power
Re: DML: Re: Firestar/DMC
DML: DMC News Products
Re: DML: Re: Firestar/DMC
DML: [admin] Contingency plans for the DML
DML: RE: Re: Firestar/DMC
Re: DML: Re: Headliner material removal and installation
Re: DML: Re: Firestar/DMC
DML: RE: Antenna relay power
DML: RE: [admin] Contingency plans for the DML
DML: Standee's
DML:Engine bay light
Re: DML: Possible fuel pump problems
DML: RC - Kits
Re: DML: Re: Firestar/DMC
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 02:51:34 -0700 From: mike atkinson <mikeatk(AT)concentric.net> Subject: DML: ENGINE LATCH "STRIKER"
I just received the order I placed with DeLorean Motor Company which included an engine latch or striker. My son and I went to install it and found that there is no way the s
dmcnews-digest Sunday, November 8 1998 Volume 03 : Number 439
In this issue:
DML: ENGINE LATCH "STRIKER"
DML: Re: Headliner removal
DML: Re: Headliner removal
Re: DML: Possible fuel pump problems
DML: RE: Headliner removal
DML: RE: Re: Headliner removal
Re: DML: ENGINE LATCH "STRIKER"
DML: Officially the "Holiday Season"
DML: Another Weird Electrical thing..
DML: Speaking of Greeting Cards...
DML: Re: Original Road and Track Reviews
Re: DML: Re remote door release
DML: Firestar/DMC
Re: DML: Re remote door release
DML: RE: DeLorean limo; welding panels; and modifiying cars
DML: RE: running wires for remote door openers
Re: DML: Firestar/DMC
DML: RE: headliner removal & warpage cure
Re: DML: Re: Headliner removal
DML: Re: Firestar/DMC
DML: latch assembly
DML: Re: posting, help wanted engine operation
DML: Re: Antenna relay power
Re: DML: Re: Firestar/DMC
DML: DMC News Products
Re: DML: Re: Firestar/DMC
DML: [admin] Contingency plans for the DML
DML: RE: Re: Firestar/DMC
Re: DML: Re: Headliner material removal and installation
Re: DML: Re: Firestar/DMC
DML: RE: Antenna relay power
DML: RE: [admin] Contingency plans for the DML
DML: Standee's
DML:Engine bay light
Re: DML: Possible fuel pump problems
DML: RC - Kits
Re: DML: Re: Firestar/DMC
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 02:51:34 -0700 From: mike atkinson <mikeatk(AT)concentric.net> Subject: DML: ENGINE LATCH "STRIKER"
I just received the order I placed with DeLorean Motor Company which included an engine latch or striker. My son and I went to install it and found that there is no way the striker can go into the latch itself because there is another part or piece in the way.
Once again I checked the archives before asking everybody an old question and came up with nothing. Looking into the latch area itself you can see the latch however there is another part that runs from left to right just behind it that prevents the striker from going in enough to catch.
Are there two kinds of hooks, strikers or is there something wrong with our latch.
Still having fun
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 03:31:54 -0800 From: "Dave Price" <davep2(AT)clipper.net> Subject: DML: Re: Headliner removal
>Before I take out my center headliners I wanted to make sure I knew how >they >come out. From what I can tell, you remove the sun-visors, and the inner >door weatherstripping. Now what holds it in the middle? plastic christmas >trees? I just what to know before I start tugging on something I >shouldn't.
The headliner has a tab that slides into a bracket in the fiberglass top. Once you pull the headliner material off of the door jam, you'll see.. very easy.
Removing the old headliner material is another story. I spent hours pulling bits of foam off of the headliner cardboard.. Does anyone have a trick that works? Another of my little ideas is to replace the cardboard with something a little more sturdy.. plywood? plastic?
Take care all!
- - Dave
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 09:01:34 -0500 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: Re: Headliner removal
Ray Haug once posted everything you ever wanted to know about headliners to the DML. You can find it in the archive for July 10, 1996. Its URL is:
www.dmcnews.com/backissues/dml139.html
As I recall, one of the center pieces needs to slide toward the rear of the car to disengage its "hook" style fasteners. I think. The ones in the top of the doors pop out with a downward pull.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 09:16:27 EST From: UltTgater1(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Possible fuel pump problems
Remove the access panel beneath the spare tire and check the pump operation while trying to crank the car. Check for sparkm at the spark plugs and if no spark then check for spark from the coil to distributor. If the car has been sitting for a long time then look for water in the gas tank. These are a couple of quick things to do.
Jerry #5213
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:04:24 -0800 From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm(AT)skymail.csus.edu> Subject: DML: RE: Headliner removal
> Before I take out my center headliners I wanted to make sure > I knew how they come out. From what I can tell, you remove the sun-visors, > and the inner door weatherstripping. Now what holds it in the middle?
> plastic christmas trees? I just what to know before I start tugging > on something I shouldn't. > Any advice would be great. Thanx > Doug Venner NJ
I wrote up a description of how I replaced my own headliners which you can find on my web site. I didn't think to take pictures as I did it though, sorry.
Start by pulling the rubber seals off the door enough to expose the headliner fabric. Remove both of the visors and pull or cut the fabric off from around the top of the door areas.
It's very important to remove all the old foam and adhesive from the body of the car and from the headliner panels. Contact cement remover will do the best job and will not damage the body of the car. Use a stiff brush to remove all the old foam first.
Also, before you pull the old headliners out, look for any place they may be rubbing and the doors are opened/closed. Then trim back the headliner panels in those areas. I had the driver's side door headliner rub on the door seal and tore a hole in it.
================================================================ Ken Montgomery VIN #10911 Work : (916) 278-7646 Sacramento, CA 'OUTTIME' Home : (916) 944-3252 Founder, Northern California DeLorean Motor Club 'NCDMC' Please visit my website at: http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm kenm(AT)csus.edu ================================================================
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:08:49 -0800 From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm(AT)skymail.csus.edu> Subject: DML: RE: Re: Headliner removal
> Ray Haug once posted everything you ever wanted to know about > headliners to the DML. You can find it in the archive for > July 10, 1996. > Its URL is: > > www.dmcnews.com/backissues/dml139.html > > As I recall, one of the center pieces needs to slide toward > the rear of the > car to disengage its "hook" style fasteners. I think. The > ones in the top > of the doors pop out with a downward pull. > > - Mike Substelny
Actually, they pull forward. The back section is really fun because you have to carefully bend them out of the side panels. I had my side panels out at the same time I did my head-liners, so I didn't have that problem. But you really don't want to pull those side panels unless you really have to!
================================================================ Ken Montgomery VIN #10911 Work : (916) 278-7646 Sacramento, CA 'OUTTIME' Home : (916) 944-3252 Founder, Northern California DeLorean Motor Club 'NCDMC' Please visit my website at: http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm kenm(AT)csus.edu ================================================================
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 98 14:46:17 PST From: "Brandon S. Moody" <bsmoody(AT)kih.net> Subject: Re: DML: ENGINE LATCH "STRIKER"
> I just received the order I placed with DeLorean Motor Company which > included an engine latch or striker. My son and I went to install it > and found that there is no way the striker can go into the latch itself > because there is another part or piece in the way. > Once again I checked the archives before asking everybody an old > question and came up with nothing. Looking into the latch area itself > you can see the latch however there is another part that runs from left > to right just behind it that prevents the striker from going in enough > to catch.
Assuming that you or a previous owner has not added anything or modified the latch, then the part you are talking about is a spring loaded part of the latch that "ejects" the engine cover when you pull the release. Without it, then it would take 2 people to access the engine bay. There is a great deal of tension on this bar so it takes a firm push to close the engine cover. I'm sure its possible that the bar has gotten misaligned or something is jamming it open ?
- -Brandon bsmoody(AT)kih.net
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 98 13:13:04 -0000 From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com> Subject: DML: Officially the "Holiday Season"
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 15:18:00 -0500 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: DML: Another Weird Electrical thing..
With the Fan on (mine was on AC, high when it happened), I shut the car off, and pull the key out. The Fan stays on until I take my foot off the brake!
Is this a bug? or a feature?
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 98 13:32:05 -0000 From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com> Subject: DML: Speaking of Greeting Cards...
I just shipped out about 40 sets of cards today to various DML'ers around the world. My thanks to you all!
That leaves me with about 220 sets of cards to sell - each set contains 20 cards and envelopes for just $20 - including priority mail shipping in the US.
You can see the card design at:
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 15:41:28 -0500 From: daniel esterly <desterly(AT)vt.edu> Subject: DML: Re: Original Road and Track Reviews
>Hey, while we're on the subject, does anyone know what issues of Car & >Driver and/or Road & Track the original DeLorean reviews appeared in? It >might be fun to look those up.
I have an issue of Road and Track from 1977 with the Delorean on the cover. It has some differences but all around it is the same car. Its a pretty interesting acrticle and you can probably find it archived at the library.
Dan
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 18:21:12 -0500 From: Mike Griese <magriese(AT)us.ibm.com> Subject: Re: DML: Re remote door release
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You don't need to remove the headliner to route wires into the door. You have to remove the stainless steel 'T' section on the top of the car. There is an access panel under the 'T' section that gives access to the wiring harnesses.
Michael A. Griese IBM Storage Systems Division Rochester, MN 55901 Internet: magriese(AT)us.ibm.com voice: (507)253-1853 fax: (507)253-2880
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:52:14 -0800 From: Alex Krochmal <alexk(AT)spiritone.com> Subject: DML: Firestar/DMC
Does anyone know what it takes to start a motor company? I am thinking millions but I also have no clue. If they were to restart DMC would people buy after the last downfall?
--Alex--
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 21:38:48 EST From: ToniLFHS98(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Re remote door release
How do you remove the T section?
ToniLFHS98(AT)aol.com
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:40:53 +0000 From: "darryl(AT)techline.com" <darryl(AT)techline.com> Subject: DML: RE: DeLorean limo; welding panels; and modifiying cars
Don't underestimate the craftsmanship and skills that are out there. Some years ago I was seriously planning to stretch a DeLorean into a 2+2, with Porsche-type rear seats. I had spare (damaged) rear 1/4 panels, a rear-half frame and fiberglass underbody, and purchased a totalled car that had suffered a bad engine fire. The plan was to stretch it just behind the doors, where that vent is, making it into a window. By cutting the frames and underbodies 8" each way of a common centerline and then joining the longer halves, you would end up with a car 16" longer. I had located the top stainless welder in the area, and an old time body man with extensive stainless experience, and both said they could massage the panels. Only my deteriorating home situation kept me from doing it. And if you saw the DeLorean trailer on the cover of DeLorean World a few years back, which I was involved with creating, you know it can be done.
As for patching antenna holes, check around. In most communities there is at least one craftsman who is capable of tig welding stainless panels. Don't just check body shops. Check with local street rodders and at sheet metal fabrication firms. The guy I mentioned above worked at a small sheet metal shop making things like custom kitchen sinks.
And as for the thread on modifying DeLoreans, as I've said many times I don't advocate cutting up good cars. But just as in my street rodding days, sometimes you find a car that may be beyond restoring that becomes the perfect test bed for your creativity. My supercharged car was an abandoned, vandalized $4,000 hulk that is now a one-of-a-kind joy to drive. I saved its "life" and have no remorse whatsoever over modifying it (and could still totally restore it if need be). The burned out car I mentioned above ended up being dismantled. Wouldn't it have been better to stretch it, lower it, and drop in a Cad Northstar?
Darryl Tinnerstet Specialty Automotive 4 LaBelle Lane McCleary, WA 98557 PH: 360-495-4640 FAX: 360-495-4680
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:53:20 +0000 From: "darryl(AT)techline.com" <darryl(AT)techline.com> Subject: DML: RE: running wires for remote door openers
Someone asked about running wires to the doors to operate remote door openers (my worst gripe with this list - I wish people would use their names so we know who we are talking to!). As explained in my write-up on this procedure, there is already an unused wire in each door - I believe it is yellow - that goes as far as the loom plug at the center of the roof. You have to remove the headliner to access it, and to run wires to it. As for the question of added weight to the doors, the actuators I recommend are plastic, not the heavy solenoids. In fact, I recommend replacing the door lock solenoids with similar actuators which (1) are more reliable; (2) weigh less; and (3) free up an additional wire to use for the door openers. Again, my write-up explains all this. Good luck, its well worth the effort.
Darryl Tinnerstet Specialty Automotive 4 LaBelle Lane McCleary, WA 98557 PH: 360-495-4640 FAX: 360-495-4680
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 20:59:58 -0500 From: haldeman <haldeman(AT)fuse.net> Subject: Re: DML: Firestar/DMC
Read "DeLorean" by JZD himself to find what it takes to start a car company. Money and more money!
David Haldeman Cincinnati VIN 5102
Alex Krochmal wrote:
> Does anyone know what it takes to start a motor company? I am thinking > millions but I also have no clue. If they were to restart DMC would > people > buy after the last downfall? > > --Alex--
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:01:40 +0000 From: "darryl(AT)techline.com" <darryl(AT)techline.com> Subject: DML: RE: headliner removal & warpage cure
The two main headliner pieces are held up by a bracket that slides over another on the underside of the roof. Just remove the door seals, peel back the headliner from the door openings, remove the visors, and the front panel will slide forward and out. Then remove the screw at each end of the rear panel and also slide it forward. Now a hint on how to cure the rear headliner's tendency to warp above the rear window - while you have it out contact cement a piece of 1/8 or 3/16" aluminum strap 1" - 1 1/4" wide and the width of the panel to the top side of it. Works great and can't be seen when the panel is reinstalled.
Darryl Tinnerstet Specialty Automotive 4 LaBelle Lane McCleary, WA 98557 PH: 360-495-4640 FAX: 360-495-4680
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 21:33:17 EST From: KayoOng(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Re: Headliner removal
Dave,
Rob from PJ Grady has a headliner panels/kit that he sells. These units are made of REAL FIBERGLASS and will last a life time. No pressboard material here. It can be ordered in the color of your interior. I had my Delorean interior replaced by him in the beginning of this year. Call him for price and info. 800-350-7429
Kayo Ong #05508 Lic. 9D NY
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 21:27:21 -0600 From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut(AT)postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Firestar/DMC
> Does anyone know what it takes to start a motor company? I am thinking > millions but I also have no clue. If they were to restart DMC would > people > buy after the last downfall? > > --Alex--
According to the authors of 'DREAM MAKER' the DeLorean empire, at some point, controlled $500 millon. About 10 years ago Ford spent $250 million building a paint plant next to the Twin Cities Assembly plant. When you consider the value of the exsisiting assembly plant that now housed a body build department and a group of final assembly departments that would have a value of at least triple the cost of the paint facility, you'd be looking a $100million in just the assembly operations for one vehicle. This wouldn't include the design and testing that goes into building a vehicle. It also wouldn't include the design and manufacture of component parts such as engines, transmissions, and so on. When you look at all of this, I'd say that John DeLorean did something very remarkable. The fact that various things came into play that led to the failure of the DeLorean Motor Company is beside the point. History seems to be shaped more by the media, in recient times, than reality. Unfortunatly, John will probably be remembered more for the drug bust than the remarkable feat he accomplished in building a unique production automobile from scratch for $500 million.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:16:43 -0500 From: Gerald Deutsch <Jerry1(AT)eclipse.net> Subject: DML: latch assembly
I am looking for a complete latch assembly that gets riveted onto the = louvers. I just need the parts that are on the louvers. Please e-mail = me privately if you can help me. Thank you. ---Dan
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 15:36:54 -0500 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: posting, help wanted engine operation
Sounds like the idle speed bypass was improperly installed when you replaced your mixture control unit. Push the air plate in the mixture control unit all the way down and see if the brass air pipe that leads to the idlespeed valve is in place. You should see about a 1/8 inch lip of the pipe at about the 11 O'clock position If this pipe is miss-installed or has no seal it will create the condition you describe. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 14:55:58 -0500 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Antenna relay power
Steve, The red antenna relay power wire simply runs from the door lock circuit breaker along and under the parcel shelf to the clear plastic relay. If you have don't see 12v at the relay you may have a broken wire or connector. This red wire is separate and is not part of any wire harness. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:22:08 EST From: JSteuben(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Re: Firestar/DMC
Hi All, I'd like to take Bruce's thread one step farther, take 500 million pounds/dollars (?) and divide it by 8,500+ cars, and then, for all of you who own a DeLorean, congratulate yourselves for owning one of the most expensive automobiles ever produced in the world. It's a little secret for us alone to savor next time a turbo Porsche owner rumbles by with his nose in the air. Keeping that in mind, anyone selling a DeLorean for less than 1 million dollars is offering his/her car at bargain basement prices. Enjoy your 'D' cars everyone. Joe
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:57:26 -0800 From: "D.J. LaForge" <dj(AT)woz.org> Subject: DML: DMC News Products
Is that a typo or is Stainless Steel Illusion really $225? And if it is, why so much more than the others?
- -D.J. LaForge VIN 07135
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 12:51:44 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Wilson <fluffy(AT)snurgle.org> Subject: Re: DML: Re: Firestar/DMC
On Fri, 6 Nov 1998 JSteuben(AT)aol.com wrote:
> I'd like to take Bruce's thread one step farther, take 500 million > pounds/dollars (?) and divide it by 8,500+ cars, and then, for all of you
I think your math is a little off. If you take the "worst case" model - 8500 cars made and 500 million dollars spent - you arrive at a total cost of just under $59,000 per. If you take the "best case" model - $250 million spent and 10,000 cars made (according to the statistical analysis of the production chronology) you come out with a total of $25,000 apiece. Hmmmmm. :) The real value, I'm sure, is somewhere in between - but it's certainly not the most expensive car to build ever.
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 98 12:54:18 -0000 From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com> Subject: DML: [admin] Contingency plans for the DML
As I mentioned a few weeks ago, I have prepared some contingency plans for the continuation of the DeLorean Mailing List in the event of an occurrence that would prevent me from running the list.
Knut Grimsrud and Mike Substelny, perhaps two of the longest DML'ers as well as personal friends of mine, have graciously agreed to be the "point men" should the need for their services arise.
If you are subscribed to the "live" version and do not receive DeLorean Mailing List mail for more than 48 hours, email me personally at "espey(AT)dmcnews.com". After 72 hours of no activity, Knut and Mike have the necessary information to contact me or my relatives, as well as instructions on how to "re-start" the list.
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 16:28:10 -0500 From: Rob Hook <Rob_hook(AT)pop.net> Subject: DML: RE: Re: Firestar/DMC
Well, it's also been argued that one of DeLorean's biggest mistakes was to build the plant with enought capacity to produce a HUGE number of cars. For a specialty car like the DeLorean, he probably should've started smaller and grew from there. Remember that Ford's $250 million (did you mean 25?) paint plant is probably built to handle 1000+ cars a week. Besides, a DeLorean plant wouldn't need a paint facility! :)
- --Rob Hook
- ---------- From: BRUCE BENSON[SMTP:delornut(AT)postoffice.worldnet.att.net] Reply To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 1998 10:27 PM To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com Subject: DML: Re: Firestar/DMC
> Does anyone know what it takes to start a motor company? I am thinking > millions but I also have no clue. If they were to restart DMC would > people > buy after the last downfall? > > --Alex--
>>According to the authors of 'DREAM MAKER' the DeLorean empire, at some >>point, controlled $500 millon. About 10 years ago Ford spent $250 million >>building a paint plant next to the Twin Cities Assembly plant. When you >>consider the value of the exsisiting assembly plant that now housed a body >>build department and a group of final assembly departments that would have >>a value of at least triple the cost of the paint facility, you'd be (SNIP)
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 18:36:14 -0500 From: tundra(AT)stratos.net Subject: Re: DML: Re: Headliner material removal and installation
> Removing material.
Use a heat gun or high power hair blower/drier. Heat and peal back without tearing the material or foam. To attach use 3M spray adhesive made for attaching fabric. Spray adhesive onto foam. Attach edges but not sides or bottom. Use plastic garbage bag and slowly fill with sand to stretch material and force sides and bottom into contact with adhesive. Mike
> Removing the old headliner material is another story. I spent hours > pulling > bits of foam off of the headliner cardboard.. Does anyone have a trick > that > works? Another of my little ideas is to replace the cardboard with > something a little more sturdy.. plywood? plastic? > > Take care all! > > - Dave
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 16:02:19 -0800 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: Re: DML: Re: Firestar/DMC
At 12:51 PM 11/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, 6 Nov 1998 JSteuben(AT)aol.com wrote: > >> I'd like to take Bruce's thread one step farther, take 500 million >> pounds/dollars (?) and divide it by 8,500+ cars, and then, for all of you > >I think your math is a little off. If you take the "worst case" model - >8500 cars made and 500 million dollars spent - you arrive at a total cost >of just under $59,000 per. If you take the "best case" model - $250 >million spent and 10,000 cars made (according to the statistical analysis >of the production chronology) you come out with a total of $25,000 apiece. >Hmmmmm. :) The real value, I'm sure, is somewhere in between - but it's >certainly not the most expensive car to build ever. > > reply:
My understanding was that the actual number of whole cars was in the 6,000 range. BTAIM' Even at double the $59K amount we are way down the line when it comes to expensive cars. What I wonder is how rare is the D' as compared to other sport coupe's?
Lee
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:59:04 -0500 From: Chris Coplen <Blarness(AT)ix.netcom.com> Subject: DML: RE: Antenna relay power
Hey, this thread brings up a Q in my head. I have NEVER seen a "power" = antennae on a DeLorean before. I've seen seven Ds in real life and none = of them had "power" ants. When year did they start this. My Sep. built = '81 does not have a gas flap OR power ant.
Chris #3876 Lic. GIGAWAT
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:04:08 -0500 From: Chris Coplen <Blarness(AT)ix.netcom.com> Subject: DML: RE: [admin] Contingency plans for the DML
As a network administrator in the Information industry I want to = personally thank James for taking the time and effort for putting forth = a contingency plan in the event that something fails for this list. = Cudos and cheers to you James! =20
I can't expect many people to realize just how big a project it is to = document and maintain computer services (of any kind) to provide 24/7 = "uptime". Good job James, and thank you gentlemen for stepping up to = the plate to help him.
Chris #3876
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:45:08 EST From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: Standee's
I saw the add the other day for the BTTF III standee that was for sale.
Does anyone know if there were ones for BTTF I and II. If so where can I get them?
Ken
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 22:30:35 -0500 From: Joe Palatinus <jpalatinus(AT)earthlink.net> Subject: DML:Engine bay light
Some one mentioned something about an engine bay light. I did not know my car had an engine bay light but I opened it up and sure enought there is a light there but it does not work at all. please advise Joe P. Vin 0006808
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 23:16:20 -0600 From: Thomas Bohmier <Bohmier(AT)sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: DML: Possible fuel pump problems
I had the same problem when I was buyin my car in Pheonix.
It is amazing what a shot of "ether" can do. Jus located the black on the right rear side of the car, near the bumper, and give it a quick shot or two.
Mine started immediately and I have not have to use it since. I also suggest doing a tune-up and replace with either platinum plug or split fire plugs.
Thomas
R. Haslewood wrote:
> G'day fellas, > > My dad is looking at buying a particular DeLorean in Sydney, but there is > just one problem - It won't start. He and the guy that's looking after it > suspect that it may be the fuel pump due to that fact that the car hasn't > been started in months. > > I've searched the back issues for information on fuel pumps, but all I > could > find was info on replacement "Bosch" F.P.'s. My question is, can anyone > tell > us the procedure for accessing the fuel pump and (if possible) fixing it? > > BTW, if anyone has any other ideas as to why the car won't start, we'd be > grateful for your input. > > Thanks in advance... > > R. Haslewood, > Sydney Australia > http://www.zip.com.au/~delorean/
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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 00:41:33 -0800 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: DML: RC - Kits
November 6,98
Many of our DML members may recall that I suggested there might be a DeLorean Radio Controlled model, and asked how many members "Might be interested" in getting one if it were available.
Well..........The prototype is together.
Pictures will be uploaded to the DMC area of the Totalimmersion Internet site some time Sunday evening or Monday morning. You will find them at:
http://www.totalimmersion.com/RCkit.html
The pictures (video captures) show the RC - D' assembled w/and w/out the glass and tires. There are a few shots showing the radio and motor (in the rear of course).
The most important feature about this RC-D' is that it's in 1/24th scale! Yep that's right 1/24th scale!
Now the good news is that once the Limited edition is completed and shipped I can start assembling the RC-D's kits. Because there has been so much interest in the limited edition the RC-D' will be a kits too. Although they look the same there is a very distinct difference. The RC-D' is a "Cheep" carpet toy! Intended to fool around with. The mechanical parts are typical of the inexpensive toy store cars. I have no doubt that the motors won't last for ever, and there is no telling how stable the radio parts are. These are supposed to be toys not serious DeLorean replicas.
There will be no reservations list or other restrictions other than one per order. Again Let me stress I am making up these kits by hand, so there is a very real limitation about how many I can produce. At present There is no price and I have not decided beyond the parts required what will be in the kit. It will be complete with all parts (mostly assembled) to complete the RC-D' including transmitter, but NO BATTERIES INCLUDED. As we near a release date for the RC-D' There will be more detailed information, pictures.
Enjoy the pictures.....(On Monday)
Lee
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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 10:06:11 PST From: "Adam Michael" <amichael10(AT)hotmail.com> Subject: Re: DML: Re: Firestar/DMC
> My understanding was that the actual number of whole cars was >in the 6,000 range.
No, actually the first guy was right. There were 8583 DeLoreans produced.
Adam The DeLorean Corner: http://members.tripod.com/~DeLoreanDMC/index.html
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