Sunday, November 22 1998 Volume 03 : Number 444
In this issue:
Re: DML: DeLorean RPM's
Re: DML: cup holders
DML: Edition #001
DML: Fan Problems
DML: RE: Luggage compartment struts !!
DML: HONG KONG VISITOR
DML: Stainless steel letters on bumper
DML: buying a delorean
DML: Re: DeLorean RPM's
DML: Re: Catalytic Converter Replacement
DML: Re: Fan Problems
DML: Re: white lettering on bumper?
Re: DML: Fan Problems
Re: DML: Stainless steel letters on bumper
Re: DML: Stainless steel letters on bumper
DML: Re: TORSION BAR ADJUSTMENT VIDEO.
DML: Delorean Interior
Re: DML: DeLorean Rpm's
DML: Calling Joe Fideli
DML: ANOTHER DeLorean sign available
DML: [admin] Unacceptable postings to the DeLorean Mailing List
DML: Re:mirror switch
DML: Re: Fan Problems
Re: DML: DeLorean Rpm's
DML: master cylinder
DML: DE LOREAN MIDATLANTIC ANNUAL HOLIDAY SOCIAL
DML: Right side door handle broken
DML: To Trickle or not to trickle?
DML: Wichita Kansas DMLers?
Re: DML: To Trickle or not to trickle?
DML: Re: To Trickle or not to trickle?
Re: DML: To Trickle or not to trickle?
DML: SSI for sale
DML: Auto door opener - Brackets
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:10:13 -0500 From: haldeman <haldeman(AT)fuse.net> Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean RPM's
Ours idles at 800-900 on good days. Somedays it likes to idle a little faster - - 1100-1200.
Whatever RPM it is turning when the ignition key is turned off, the guage stays at that speed. The fact that it reads 2000 would indicate an abnormal idle speed, if the engine was shut down at idle.
David & Josh Haldeman VIN 5102 Cincinnati, OH
JARRXR(AT)aol.com wrote:
> Hello List! > > I have a few questions about RPM on the D.. > Can anyone tell me the appropriate idle speeds for the delorean? > > What ranges of RPM does the delorean operate at? (i.e. 750 - 3000 RPM) > > Also, I have recently looked at a delorean and the RPM needle seemed to be > stuck on 2000, even know the engine was off..is this normal?? I didn't > get to start the engine to see if it gave any readings.. > > Are the gauges difficult to replace? > > Thanx, > > ~ JAR > JARRXR(AT)aol.com
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 04:10:12 -0800 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: Re: DML: cup holders
At 08:21 AM 11/17/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hi! >Has anyone out there put any cup holders their D, and if so what type and >where did you install them? Thanks! > > >-D.J. LaForge > >VIN 07135 > reply:
Yes we found some grey plastic cup holders that have an inverted "U" hook that can be inserted into the space between the window and the door. The holder cost $3.95 each at a local discount store. The depth of the holder is just right for a medium Coffee to go. You can also slip the hoof between the trim as far forward as it goes so that the cup rest in front of and above all the door controls.
Some times the inexpensive items are the best.
Lee
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 05:06:40 -0800 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: DML: Edition #001
JZD's Limited Edition Kit #001
Thanks to every one who sent me e-mail with offers of 5 and 6 times the release price for the JZD limited Edition 24K Gold=Kit.
Right now I am not sure just how to deal with this very special kit. Please hold your offers to buy this kit for the moment. There are so many people waiting in line who have been promised the next available place on the active list I feel that they should be considered, on the other hand I never expected anyone on the reserved FREE list would decline or refuse the Kit set aside for them.
I really need to devote my limited spare time to getting the kits packed and shipped first, so I would like to wait for now on deciding what the disposition of JZD's Kit should be.
Thanks again
Lee
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:44:11 -0500 From: Michael Pack <mpack1(AT)tiger.towson.edu> Subject: DML: Fan Problems
Hello
My DeLorean Fans up front will not shut off. From the moment I turn the car on the 2 fans stay on even with a cold engine. I have the Fanzilla control for the fans and I checked the fuses. I did a little troubleshooting and I switched the Fanzilla out and installed the jumper wire and I still have the same problem. I checked the temp switch in the boot on the left hand side of the engine coolant pipe. I disconnected one of the two wires and the fans finally shut down. Do I need a new otterstat switch?
Sincerely Mike
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:13:48 -0500 From: Rob Hook <rob_hook(AT)pop.net> Subject: DML: RE: Luggage compartment struts !!
John,
I'd be careful about using cross-reference struts. I bought a set here in the states. They were the right size but were so stiff that closing the luggage compartment was difficult to do without BENDING it! Needless to say, I removed them and bought a set from one of the DeLorean shops. It's worth it.
- --Rob Hook
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> Does anyone know the non Delorean part equivalent of the > gas struts for the luggage compartment ?? > (Or what car has the same struts on) > > I assume the struts must have been taken from another vehicle > originally and the cost to import to the UK from the US is > quite steep for what should be a stock item !!
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:26:37 +0000 From: "Ian T. A. Foster" <ian(AT)netvigator.com> Subject: DML: HONG KONG VISITOR
DMCers and CBXers,
For all the folks on the DML and CBX Lists who I've been in contact with lately re. my DeLorean drive across USA. Starts 21Nov98 in LA, to 3Dec98 in Baltimore. Here goes for two weeks of weak-beer and Pizzas with good conversations on DeLoreans and motorbikes!!!
Get in touch again fellas so that we can make tentative plans.
Cheers, IAN (Hong Kong)
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:34:30 -0500 (EST) From: Virginia Hodges <vmh5c(AT)unix.mail.virginia.edu> Subject: DML: Stainless steel letters on bumper
To everyone asking about the stainless steel letters that you can buy for 65 dollars and put on the bumper-
There is a cheaper faster way. Use stainless steel tape and cut out the letters to apply to the bumper. It looks great, lasts longer and costs less than a dollar per letter. Just an idea!
Virginia Hodges
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:32:11 PST From: "Jeremy Curtis" <happy_gil75(AT)hotmail.com> Subject: DML: buying a delorean
Hi there,
I am looking forward to purchasing a Delorean of my own, but I am
not too sure what all to look for when appraising a car's value. Are
there any "Tips on buying a Delorean" books out there. I am new to the
list, so I have not seen any yet. If someone could please tell me where
I could find one, I would be most appreciative!! Thanks!!
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:40:07 -0700 From: "Aaron Barrus" <ASBARRUS(AT)novell.com> Subject: DML: Re: DeLorean RPM's
Hello,
I don't believe that is always the case. I have seen many DeLoreans, = where the idle was below 1000, yet the tach rests over 1500 when the car = is shut off. I don't know why (???), but even in the sales brochure, the = tach rests at just over 1500 RPM's.
I don't think it's a problem, just a "feature" ! It was also talked about = in digest 97.
Aaron
>>> haldeman <haldeman(AT)fuse.net> 11/18/98 08:10PM >>> Ours idles at 800-900 on good days. Somedays it likes to idle a little=20 faster - 1100-1200.
Whatever RPM it is turning when the ignition key is turned off, the guage stays at that speed. The fact that it reads 2000 would indicate an=20 abnormal idle speed, if the engine was shut down at idle.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:45:05 -0500 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Catalytic Converter Replacement
Ben, Why do you feel the need to replace the cat. converter, is it missing? If you just need to pass emissions and the converter is in place leaning out the CO should do the trick. If you need a converter you can order one from one of the DeLorean parts suppliers or from D.E.C. Catalytic Converters at 800 332-4431 ask for model DL 4401. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services dmcjoe(AT)att.net
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:34:12 -0500 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: Re: Fan Problems
Michael Pack's cooling fans will not shut off. He gave a pretty thorough description, and I believe a correct diagnosis of his own problem.
It sounds like your temp sensor is bad.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:26:42 +1100 From: "R. Haslewood" <delorean(AT)zip.com.au> Subject: DML: Re: white lettering on bumper?
>That lettering on the bumper is acually stainless steel letters placed >in the imprint that is on all of the bumpers. I dont know if any >DeLoreans came like this, but I do know that they are availible from >DeLorean One. I have also seen an "Outline" of the letters in stainless >steel, but I dont know if D1 carries that. I personally prefer the >leters themselves. > >- -- >Jim Reeve <Ultra> >http://www.isd.net/jpatrick/ >ICQ-301911 >AIM-Ultra2169
I thought I'd throw my two cents in here about the DeLorean "silhouette" (or "outline"). After the Expo in September, I bought one of these from Don Steger at DeLorean Motor Centre for about $59. I found out that the car we're buying already has the silhouette on the rear bumper, so I guess I'll just have to keep this one as a souvenir :) (pretty expensive souvenir, though).
BTW, speaking of the car we're buying, the guy who's looking after it said that they replaced the fuel pump and the car's running fine now. While I'm not at liberty to say how much we're paying for the car, the lady at the bank said we should get the loan in a couple of weeks, which means (if all goes well) we should have our very own Stainless Steel Wonder sitting in our garage around early December!
R. Haslewood, Sydney Australia http://www.zip.com.au/~delorean/
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:56:35 EST From: Ad8302(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Fan Problems
In a message dated 11/19/98 2:31:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, mpack1(AT)tiger.towson.edu writes:
<< I checked the temp switch in the boot on the left hand side of the engine coolant pipe. I disconnected one of the two wires and the fans finally shut down. Do I need a new otterstat switch? >>
...Its time for a new switch! Mine did the same thing and I replaced it. The switch now activates the fans around mid scale on the eng temp guage (I think around 220)
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:19:07 EST From: KayoOng(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Stainless steel letters on bumper
Ms. Virginia Hodges,
Your idea of cutting stainless steel tape into letters is tedious and mostly likely will turn out sloppy. You got to get the holes in the letters "d," the two "e," "o" and the "a." Afterwards you have to get the letters to sit tightly against the inset. If you wrinkle the letters it will reflect the light and not look right. Just too much work.
Incidentally, if you can get it right, you can sell kits of the letters and make some money. I am sure there are buyers out there.
Kayo Ong #05508 Lic 9D NY
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:40:42 -0500 (EST) From: DJS912(AT)webtv.net (Danny Smith) Subject: Re: DML: Stainless steel letters on bumper
I have some of the stainless tape (J.C. Whitiny cat.), and have wondered about making my own bumper and door sill lettering for some time. Virginia says in a recent post that she has done this. What's the best way to get the exact shape and size of the letters? What about cutting them out? I've read that the $ 65.00 ones are lazer cut, making smooth strait lines. Anyone got any ideas? Maybe taking some sort of an impression (bumper letters are ressesed). Dan
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 04:01:41 -0500 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: TORSION BAR ADJUSTMENT VIDEO.
TO ALL, The story board and script for the DeLorean door torsion bar adjustment is now in the process of creation. I thank you all for your comments and suggestions. We have another pre-production meeting next week, many of your post's will be considered at that time, so please continue your comments. In order not to overwhelm James and the list feel free to email me directly.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services dmcjoe(AT)att.net
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:07:48 -0500 From: "Michael E. Rogers" <TearsForFears(AT)dol.net> Subject: DML: Delorean Interior
Hello all,
For those of you who own Deloreans, you are the object of my unbelievable envy. I currently drive a Buick, which I am very happy with... but my next car WILL be a Delorean... so I figured that this list was a good way to learn everything learnable about the car...
Anyway... I've seen so many pictures of the D that I could draw it with my eyes closed. However, I've never seen any good pictures of the interior of the car. What does it look like inside? Driver, passenger, and center column? What do the door controls look like?
Also, what advice do you normally give to new D owners? What questions should I ask?
Thanx for everything, Take care, Mike Rogers VIN - So soon I can taste it!
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:49:03 -0500 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Rpm's
If your DeLorean idles at any speed above 800RPM's at any time something is wrong. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services dmcjoe(AT)att.net - ---------- > Ours idles at 800-900 on good days. Somedays it likes to idle a little > faster > - 1100-1200. > > Whatever RPM it is turning when the ignition key is turned off, the guage > stays at that speed. The fact that it reads 2000 would indicate an > abnormal > idle speed, if the engine was shut down at idle. > > David & Josh Haldeman > VIN 5102 > Cincinnati, OH >
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:25:08 +0000 From: "darryl(AT)techline.com" <darryl(AT)techline.com> Subject: DML: Calling Joe Fideli
Joe, if you see this please call me again. You failed to leave your number so I could call you back. And the stripe kits are running out fast.
Darryl Tinnerstet Specialty Automotive 4 LaBelle Lane McCleary, WA 98557 PH: 360-495-4640 FAX: 360-495-4680
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:57:22 -0000 From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com> Subject: DML: ANOTHER DeLorean sign available
When it rains it pours, two different dealer signs in one week. This one is near Asheville, North Carolina. Interested parties email me directly for details. Thanks.
James Espey Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 98 10:14:27 -0000 From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com> Subject: DML: [admin] Unacceptable postings to the DeLorean Mailing List
To clarify, the following types of messages are not okay:
* Spam, chain mail, or virus warnings (posting these is grounds for removal) * Press releases, commercial notices, attachments, etc. * Questions asking if the DML has covered a topic previously (use our Web search engine) * Questions relating to a DML subscription (send email to <moderator(AT)dmcnews.com>) * Me-too postings after a topic has been addressed sufficiently * Anything not related to the DeLorean automobile, company and man. * Obviously personal replies (should be done via private email) If your messages addresses a particular individual, it's probably personal * Postings from people wanting to buy a "cheap" DeLorean in great condition * Quoting entire messages/threads and then only adding a few lines of new content * Anything else I feel is inappropriate (Iron Hand Espey)
I hope to keep the volume of postings moderate to avoid overwhelming subscribers. Also, I'm more likely to post messages that are well-reasoned, well-written, and avoid unnecessary vitriol. Don't take message rejection personally; it will be done in the interests of making the list a useful resource for us all.
Thank you!
James Espey Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 12:15:39 -0600 From: Jordan Gary <jordang(AT)wf.quik.com> Subject: DML: Re:mirror switch
I have been working on my door. I found it very hard to get the mirror switch removed from the drivers door. For others who will do this in the future, there are prongs on the forward and aft ends of the switch which must be pushed in before pulling it out. Pulling on the switch only spreads out the prongs and makes things worse. Anyway, I ended up breaking my switch. Does anybody have a used one to sell for $25.00? Thnaks, Jordan Gary jordang(AT)wf.quik.com
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 04:25:03 -0500 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Fan Problems
Michael, You closed your post with the answer to your problem; it's the otterstat switch. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services dmcjoe(AT)att.net
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:26:06 EST From: Jimbo0946(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Rpm's
My Delorean idles at just under a thousand. I've had it for almost a year and everything seems to be fine. Should I be concerned, and why is this a problem?
JimmyC
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:46:10 -0500 From: Gerald Deutsch <Jerry1(AT)eclipse.net> Subject: DML: master cylinder
Ok. I searched the archives and didn't find any conclusions. I want to = put in a new brake master cylinder b/c I'm rebuilding the calipers. = Anyway, I'm looking to figure out what will work in the car. I saw some = posings about a Saab master working on it, (made by Bendix but with a = Girling casting), and I looked at one and it looked almost identical. = But the casting numbers did not match exactly. But the part that matters = is the bore size. Right? So, can anyone tell me the bore size of the = original DeLorean master? Or can anyone tell me if they've had any = success in interchanging this part or any other info that will or might = lead me to a successful purchase of this part? I want to go this route = b/c I have friends who work in parts shops and I get stuff at cost, so = it is much cheaper; but only when I can get the right part of course. = Thanks.
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:51:51 -0500 From: Aldo.Buono(AT)phila.gov Subject: DML: DE LOREAN MIDATLANTIC ANNUAL HOLIDAY SOCIAL
December 12, 1998, Saturday, 5 - 9 PM
Annual Holiday Social
Savas Restaurant
1547 Spring Garden STreet
Philadelphia Pennsylvania
Reservations Required by December 6: 215-849-5160
or email me.
Members: Free Enthusiasts: $15 per person.
All are welcome.
We will be electing officers and planning our 1999 schedule of
events.
Bring your ideas. Volunteer to be our Activities Director.
:+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+) :+)
:+)
Membership in De Lorean Midatlantic is open to all owners and
enthusiasts. Benefits include this exciting social schedule, annual
complimentary door adjustment social in the spring, membership
directory, **** Parts Interchange List **** updated annually with
lots
of stuff from DML, club newsletter two/three times a year.
Send a check for $12 made out to De Lorean Owners to: Dick Lash, De
Lorean Midatlantic Treasurer, 409 Lark Drive, Newark, DE 19713.
HAPPY AND SAFE HOLIDAYS TO ALL!!!!!!!
Aldo Buono, President
De Lorean Midatlantic
VIN 1440
DOC #14
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:15:05 -0500 From: Michael Pack <mpack1(AT)tiger.towson.edu> Subject: DML: Right side door handle broken
Hello
Another day another problem....
The right hand side door handle snapped off today. Is it difficult to replace and who stocks the stainless steel replacements?
In addition, Left hand side low beam out. However when I turn on my high beams all four work. Is the light burned out or is there a short?
Fans stay on constantly. My relays are updated and I have fanzilla. I noticed that the tepm switch leaks small amounts of coolant. Any suggestions?
Sincerely Michael Pack Vin 3713 Sept 1981 Black Leather Automatic 20,000 miles
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 11:04:13 From: Massimo Troiani <maxt(AT)inetport.com> Subject: DML: To Trickle or not to trickle?
I was reading the posts on trickle charging, so I thought I would go out and buy one for the 'D'. But now I am a bit confused. There are 2 different chargers (made by the same company - Shumacker) that I am thinking of getting.
The first one is a dual trickle/charger. It has 2, 6 and twelve amp settings. The two amp is for the trickle charge and the 6 for a full charge. However, it does not have an automatic cutoff. Does this mean that I need to manually remove the charger every now end then? or can I leave it on continously? Cost $19.95
The second is a 1.5 amp trickle charger only. It has an automatic cutoff and can be left attached to the battery so all I would have to do is plug it in. However, if I ever get a flat battery I wouldn't be able to re-charge the battery. Cost $24.95
Does anyone have any pros and cons on the two different types? By the way both are for 12 volt batteries.
Thanks Massimo VIN# 4819
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 22:29:18 -0000 From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com> Subject: DML: Wichita Kansas DMLers?
Any Wichita DML'ers out there? There's a car that I would like someone to take a look at for me...please email me.
James Espey Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 08:31:07 -0500 From: James Senft <jpsenft(AT)erols.com> Subject: Re: DML: To Trickle or not to trickle?
Massimo... It depends why you are using a charger on what type (model) to buy. If your battery is dead or low, and you want to hook up a charger to bring it back, a variable amp one will do fine. If you are leaving your D unused for a period of time (month or less) and you want to keep the battery at top charge, the half amp will do. HOWEVER, a continuous half amp flow most probably will cause the battery to loose water, and therefore is NOT recommended for long term (ie, over Winter) battery maintenance.
The previous discussions mostly talked about the Battery Tender, which changes to a MICRO amp flow (much less than a half amp) when the battery becomes fully charged, which essentially tickles the battery, preventing plate sulfation while not boiling out water.
Most classic car owners, motorcycle owners and others who leave battery unattended for several months or longer use a maintainer. Prior to the arrival of these maintainers (yes, they are a little more expensive than the chargers you are looking at), I used a half amp trickle charger, but had to add water almost monthly to all the batterys.
Hope this helps.
Jim Vin# 5832
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 08:15:29 -0700 From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller) Subject: DML: Re: To Trickle or not to trickle?
During the tech session at the Los Angeles Expo 98, Steve Wynnes = presentation was about electrolytic corrosions inside the engine block = between the steel cylinder liners and the aluminum block. He said that = the trickle chargers would eventualy cause extensive internal damage to = the engine.
Solutions- Install a battery disconnect switch. hunt down the devices that cause a constant drain on the battery and = correct the problem circuits. Do not connect the trickle charger to the cars electrical circuit, = dissconnect the battery and install the charger directly to the battery.
I bought a 1.5 AHr charger with auto shutoff at Walmart for about $20. = Install a battery disconnect switch to isolate the battery fromt eh rest = of the car and connect the charger to the battery.
The best solution is to drive the car on a regular basis, if I drive = mine every weekend, it seems to stay charged.
Scott Mueller DMC/ Das Mueller Companies Mobile, AL 1981/002981 DOA5031 DMCNEWS Contact me about the "Deep South DeLorean Owners Club"
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 13:13:40 EST From: DMCIMF(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: To Trickle or not to trickle?
Massimo
Auto-cutoff is the only way to go. A 1.5 amp will recharge a very low battery, it just takes a day or two.
Bill Glover DMCIMF D # 6905
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 98 13:40:25 -0000 From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com> Subject: DML: SSI for sale
Just what every DeLorean fan would like for Christmas - the book Stainless Steel Illusion, by John Lamm. Easily the best book on the development and history of the car, the book features literally hundreds of photos of the prototypes, mockups and produciton cars. Photos of JZD, the factory, the assembly line - just a great book and excellent resource.
This is a nice copy of the book, I got it along with a large memorabilia collection and don't need another copy. Proceeds of the sale of this book benefit the DeLorean Mailing List and DMC-News.
I listed this book a few days ago at $225. In order to move it quicker, I will sell it for $200 in US funds, which includes insured shipping anywhere on the planet. Please email me directly if you are interested.
James Espey Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List http://www.dmcnews.com
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 07:10:27 From: Massimo Troiani <maxt(AT)inetport.com> Subject: DML: Auto door opener - Brackets
For all those who are interested in installing the automatic door openers that Darryl kindly provided the instructions for.
I did not wish to drill any holes in the door of the 'D', so I am trying out some custom made brackets that will install into existing structure, utalizing holes that are already available. I will receive the brackets on Monday and will see how the installation goes.
The brackets will be made of high grade aluminum, to minimize the weight in the door.
If anyone else is interested in using these custom made brackets let me know, the more people that are interested the cheaper it will be to get them made.
Massimo
Massimo VIN# 4819
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