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4159. Dave Swingle              Re: Goof
4160. David Silek               Give in steering
4161. Kevin Rawlings            DeLorean Owners in Southern Ontario
4162. DMC Joe                   Re: My cooling fans stayed on...
4163. DMC Joe                   Re: Upper Ball Joint Cross-Reference?
4164. DMC Joe                   Re: Need some insight or guidance for locating pr
4165. Carson Clark              Synthetic Oil ?
4166. Carson Clark              Keys...Keys...and more Keys...
4167. Phil                      Re: Tires
4168. efren hicks               very sad delorean crash
4169. Police6627(AT)aol.com        Re: Auto trans needed
4170. DMC Joe                   Re: Give in steering
4171. mike(AT)mrcopies.com         Make Your Window Switches Look Like NEW!
4172. Paul Gress                Re: Give in steering
4173. Paul Gress                Re: Synthetic Oil ?
4174. Ann & Ed Thompson         Re: Synthetic Oil ?
4175. SweatyEddy                Re: Starting problem at in-between temps
4176. dick ross                 Re: Synthetic Oil ?
4177. Danrc30                   Re: Make Your Window Switches Look Like NEW!
4178. Chris Coplen              Need shocks, Don't want Girlings Q!
4179. DMC Joe                   Re: Keys...Keys...and more Keys...
4180. mhc(AT)starshadow.com        Re: Door Key Blank ?
4181. Schaefer                  Re: Make Your Window Switches Look Like NEW!
4182. Mike $                    Struts source
4183. Hank Breer                Palm Springs Parade
4184. BurkePhoto(AT)aol.com        Re: Make Your Window Switches Look Like NEW!
4185. Robert Brandys            Re: Synthetic Oil ?
4186. Robert Brandys            Re: Dyno Testing Day
4187. Reggie_Knowlton(AT)vapower.com Re: Give in steering
4188. delorean502(AT)excite.com    bolts for what?
4189. DMC83in99(AT)aol.com         Re: Auto trans needed
4190. Fedeli, Joe               Pewter DeLorean trade?
4191. Kemp, Nick (MN10)         Re: shaking
4192. raynet(AT)home.net           Re: Give in steering
4193. Kemp, Nick (MN10)         Re: Need some insight or guidance for locating pr
4194. Richard Cutter            Re: Make Your Window Switches Look Like NEW!
4195. Kemp, Nick (MN10)         Gull wing doors, were they a safety item?
4196. Mike Substelny            Re: Make Your Window Switches Look Like NEW!
4197. Rich Kula                 Re: Dyno Testing Day
4198. Kevin Rawlings            Webpage
4199. dcsj(AT)excite.com           OEM Grey Seat Covers For Sale On Ebay
4200. Mike $                    Window Motors
4201. delorean502(AT)excite.com    wheels
4202. longstad(AT)earthlink.com    Delorean for sale
4203. dcsj(AT)excite.com           History Channel Documentory
4204. Paraversal(AT)aol.com        Re: Gull wing doors, were they a safety item?
4205. Vicky Miller              Re: bolts for what?
4206. James Espey               Forgive delay in replies...
4207. Jesse D. Sightler         Re: wheels
4208. Mr Copies                 Re: Window Motors
4209. Amazinrick(AT)aol.com        Cool name!  =D
4210. Danrc30                   Re: History Channel Documentory
4211. saintern                  website update
4212. William T Wilson          Re: Dyno Testing Day
4213. William T Wilson          Re: History Channel Documentory
4214. Michael Babb              The Mystery Piece...Continued
4215. BigJohn927(AT)aol.com        Re: Gull wing doors, were they a safety item?
4216. BigJohn927(AT)aol.com        Re: Dyno Testing Day
4217. Deloreanernst(AT)aol.com     Re: DeLorean Owners in Southern Ontario
4218. CBL302(AT)aol.com            Re: Message Rejected
4219. CBL302(AT)aol.com            Re: Give in steering
4220. efren hicks               looking 4 DeLorean Owner in Southern  california
4221. David Silek               To Moderator
4222. Robert Brandys            Re: Dyno Testing Day
4223. Robert Brandys            Re: DYNO TESTING DAY
4224. Brent Williams            Re: History Channel Documentory
4225. Robert Brandys            Re: Dyno Day Directions
4226. Mike Substelny            Re: History Channel Documentory
4227. DeLorean31(AT)aol.com        Re: Gull wing doors, were they a safety item?
4228. Paul Parker               Re: History Channel Documentory
4229. Danrc30                   Re: Gull wing doors, were they a safety item?
4230. CBL302(AT)aol.com            Re: History Channel Documentory
4231. saintern                  undercarriage cleaning
4232. Yocom, Shannon            FYI - Inspiration
4233. Danrc30                   Legend twin-turbos...
4234. Paraversal(AT)aol.com        Re: Gull wing doors, were they a safety item?
4235. dcsj(AT)excite.com           Another Giugiaro Design Influence?
4236. delorean502(AT)excite.com    relay for doors
4237. delorean502(AT)excite.com    headliner fabric
4238. delorean502(AT)excite.com    dash and other questions
4239. Carson Clark              Historical Status for CA?
4240. Carson Clark              Re: History Channel Documentory
4241. Christopher Hawes         Re: Dyno Testing Day
4242. John Hanley               Re: History Channel Documentory
4243. BigJohn927(AT)aol.com        Re: Gull wing doors, were they a safety item?
4244. toscano2(AT)mindspring.com   Anyone see this before (DeLorean song)?
4245. raddad(AT)cmn.net            Re: FYI - Inspiration
4246. Stian Birkeland           Re: History Channel Documentory
4247. DMC Joe                   Re: Struts source
4248. Ian Foster                Cloth seat covers?
4249. Aldo Buono                BMW Gullwing Concept Car
4250. DMC83in99(AT)aol.com         Re: dash and other questions
4251. DMC83in99(AT)aol.com         Re: Historical Status for CA?
4252. DMC83in99(AT)aol.com         Are these relay problems?
4253. Rich Kula                 Hesitation from the Line
4254. Macstacker(AT)aol.com        Re: Another Giugiaro Design Influence?
4255. Tamir Ardon               Dyno Testing Pictures
4256. Carson Clark              Re: Another Giugiaro Design Influence?
4257. LovDMC12(AT)aol.com          Re: Another Giugiaro Design Influence?
4258. delorean502(AT)excite.com    Instument cluster case
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This is regarding a post intended for the moderator that was inadvertantly
passed on to the list. At the request of the originator the post has been
deleted from the archives and was blocked from the digest version.
Unfortunately it is not possible to recall real-time email distribution. If
you are reading on the web or get the digest version, you won't see the post
I'm referencing.
As this was an honest mistake due to the mechanics of moderation (I'm
currently trying to convince Dick NOT to resign over this), and the
originator has asked for the efforts to be made to recall it, I'm
considering the topic closed. Past experience has shown this sort of issue
not to be healthy for the list. Many more people object to it than want to
foster it. Future postings on this thread, both pro or con, will be deleted
without comment.
Feel free to post to moderator(AT)dmcnews.com of you'd like to comment futher
directly to the moderator team.
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 01:44:07 -0400
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Gentlemen,
Having fixed just about all the major issues that have presented themselves
in the course of my ownership of my D, a new one has popped up.  There seems
now to be a lot of give in the steering.  That is to say, that when driving
I can move my wheel a few degrees and nothing happens to direct the wheels
in a different direction.  Is it the tie rod?  If so is there a cross
reference?  I only have 40,000 miles so I am concerned about what might be
causing this. I have cars (2) with over 150,000 and have not had tie rod
issues yet on them.....
Any help is always most appreciated.
David Silek
VA Beach, VA




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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 14:23:16 GMT
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Hello DMLers,
I live in Canada and I don't own a DeLorean (yet.)  As you can guess, there 
aren't many of them at all here, and I would really like to get in touch 
with someone who owns one.  If you do, or you know someone who does, please 
let me know.
Thanks,
Kevin
PS - Check out my webpage:  www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Factory/9755/
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From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)att.net>
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 11:45:41 -0500
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Dan,
It appears as if you have your AC compressor confisued with you alternator.
The loud click you heard is the compressor clutch engaging which also
switches on the cooling fans. This explains why the fans continued to run
even after you unplugged the otterstat switch. When you started to drive
the car the compressor clutch released and the fans shut off. 
Your AC compressor should only operate when one of the three AC positions
is selected on your AC/heater switch.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
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From: Danrc30 <Danrc30(AT)hotmail.com>
Yesterday when I went to start my car, I heard a loud CLICK from the
engine, and the cooling fans came on. The engine was completely cold. The
key was only in the "on" position. Upon further inspection, I realized the
click was coming from the alternator. It seemed like it wanted to engage
even when the car was off. I then started the car and shut it back off to
see if the alternator was just stuck or something. But nothing changed. I
unplugged one of the connections to the otterstat switch, but the fans
stayed on. The only way I could shut them off was to pull the jumper wire
in the relay area. So, then I decided to drive the car anyway to see if it
would fix itself. And, sure enough, it did. As soon as I pulled it out of
the garage, the fans went off and all was back to normal.
My question is; what happened here? Is this a common occurance? Is this a
symptom that something really bad is about to happen to my car? Anyone else
have this happen to them? Thanks in advance for any help.
---Dan #5493

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 13:23:52 -0500
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Dave,
Save yourself a lot of phone calls and driving from parts dealer to parts
dealer. The upper ball joints are readily available from your friendly
DeLorean parts supplier for around $50. Just call one of their 800 numbers
first thing in the morning and ask for part # 10927. For a few extra bucks
for shipping you could have the exact replacement at your doorstep Tuesday
morning; what could be easier. 
You will also feel good that your order helped to "keep the dream alive" by
supporting our DeLorean parts suppliers.
I almost forgot to answered you initial question. We know of no reliable
cross reference for the upper ball joints.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
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> From: Dave Stragand <dave.stragand(AT)ketchum.com>
> 
> Anyone have a cross-ref on the upper ball joint?  The one that I have
> (yes, just one) is brand new, and has "J29" stamped into it.  Three
> different parts stores couldn't find the part number or a
> cross-reference though...
> 
> -Dave
> VIN 5127

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Lets determine weather or not you are losing power to the fuel pump while
you are driving. Set up the following test:
Access the fuel pump and run a test wire from the positive post through the
hole in the firewall where the hood release cable goes through. Once inside
the car hook your 12v test light between the test lead from the pump and
ground. To be sure that the problem is not ground related jump the inertia
switch during this test.
Let me know your results.
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Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
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> From: dstall(AT)gvi.net
> 
> Earlier I posted a note about State Farm insurance and also a problem
> about my DMC-12 automatic lugging down as if there was a fuel problem.
> The problem: I'm driving along and the car slows down as though it is
> running out of gas; if you turn off the key and then turn it on again
> the car accelerates back to the speed it was running at and all is well
> for about 2-4 minutes and then it repeats the slowdown again; turn off
> key and turn on and its ok for a short time again.
> 
> What I've done. Replaced fuel pump relay; replaced fuel pump, gas
> pickup line and filter on fuel pump inlet. 
> Diagnostic setup: 
> 1. put tap into fuel line at fuel inlet on fuel distributor with
> pressure gage 2. put 12 v light on power line going to fuel pump in
> fuel pump relay with other end of light grounded.  
> Observations:
> 1. The fuel pressure is at 75-80 psi while engine is running and about
> 45-50 psi at rest.  
> 2. Light is off until car turns over to start and then it stays on and
> doesn't go off when car slows or until key is turned off to quit
> 3.  fuel pressure doesn't waver at all while car is running or slowing
> down.  
> 4. car has good acceleration and power except when it slow as if fuel
> is starving; also I hear something that sound like preignition knock on
> occassion when it is slowing down with throttle depressed. 
> 
> I'd like thoughts on what to check out next. Insight or suggestions
> will be really appreciated.
> 
> DaveS
> dstall(AT)gvi.net

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I have yet to see information concerning the use of synthetic motor oil
in our DMC's.  Do any of you have any recomendations, or know of any
problems with using synthetic motor oil.  
Also what kind do you use.
Thanks,
C
VIN 16367
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I have been reading alot of the e-mails with alot of different key code
numbers in the e-mail.  I guess I missed the start of all of this, but
I was able to get a key copied at a local locksmith here in San Diego. 
He just used a standard Volvo key blank.  
Is there any way that I can purchase an original key, or a replica of
the original key- with the black plastic etc...  I purchased my car
from the original owner and he had lost the original key! :-(
Thanks,
C
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From: "Phil" <delorean(AT)usfamily.net>
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 01:13:31 -0600
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Actually the rear tires are P235/60HR15.
-Phil
philf(AT)ssesco.com
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> What a difference a new set of tires makes on the De Lorean.
>
> Just had installed Dunlop G/T Qualifier:
> Front -- 195/60R14
> Rear --    255/60R15
>
> Speed: T
> Traction: A
> Treadware: 440
> Temperature: B
>
> Even though the rears are wider than NOS, they are clearing all of the
> suspension.
> And the ride is like flying on a magic carpet.
> --
> Aldo Buono, President, De Lorean Midatlantic, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,
> dmc1440(AT)earthlink.net/ VIN 1440 since 1984
> Visit: http://clubs.hemmings.com/deloreanmidatlantic/
>
> For all the exciting details of Eastern Regional Run 10, June 15-18, 2000,
> Visit: http://w3.one.net/~dmc1219/DMC2000/
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dml
ok me and my friend where driving in the freeway today
when we saw a delorean we where like wow cause it was
going pretty fast like 65 or something then all of a
sudden its  stoped and then a huge truck smashed the
back of it we pulled over as soon as this happend but
we couldnt reach the guy cause there was a  chp  and
he closed of the road and we didnt reach it but the
delorean got really smash from the back does any one
know whos delorean this is or was it was an 81 early
with black interior oh and the rims look like an 83
but it was evry nice until that happend please contact
me if this your delorean im talkin about


efren
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Can anybody tell me what I can use in my D to make it nice and shiny?   They 
sell something at Delorean in Houston but it costs $45 -- anything cheaper?  
Also,  on the windshield there are two leather/plastic pieces and one is 
coming off what kind of glue can I use?
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The first and easiest item to check is your wheel bearings. Because of the
very tight tolerances in the racing grade suspension the slightest amount
of play of the front wheels will cause steering "drift". Do you know how to
check your wheel bearings ? If not contact us directly for assistance.
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> From: David Silek <dsilek(AT)email.msn.com>
> 
> Gentlemen,
> Having fixed just about all the major issues that have presented
themselves
> in the course of my ownership of my D, a new one has popped up.  There
seems
> now to be a lot of give in the steering.  That is to say, that when
driving
> I can move my wheel a few degrees and nothing happens to direct the
wheels
> in a different direction.  Is it the tie rod?  If so is there a cross
> reference?  I only have 40,000 miles so I am concerned about what might
be
> causing this. I have cars (2) with over 150,000 and have not had tie rod
> issues yet on them.....
> 
> Any help is always most appreciated.
> 
> David Silek
> VA Beach, VA

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I've been experiementing with a low tack sticker stencil you apply to your =
window switches then spray paint or screen ink in white.  Peel the sticker =
when dry and wah-la... instant arrows.
My "prototype" hand cut one worked like magic.  Am I re-inventing the wheel=
 or has anyone else ever done this?
If enough people were interested I could have a die made and pop a kit toge=
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this stuff is right up my alley.
Do most people just suffer with arrowless switches?  =
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From: Paul Gress <pgress(AT)pb.net>
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It is most likely the universal joints between the steering and rack & pinion.
They are little fragile bearings that need frequent replacement.
Paul Gress
David Silek wrote:
> Gentlemen,
> Having fixed just about all the major issues that have presented themselves
> in the course of my ownership of my D, a new one has popped up.  There seems
> now to be a lot of give in the steering.  That is to say, that when driving
> I can move my wheel a few degrees and nothing happens to direct the wheels
> in a different direction.  Is it the tie rod?  If so is there a cross
> reference?  I only have 40,000 miles so I am concerned about what might be
> causing this. I have cars (2) with over 150,000 and have not had tie rod
> issues yet on them.....
>
> Any help is always most appreciated.
>
> David Silek
> VA Beach, VA
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I started mine at 3,500 miles and continued using it to 125,000 miles.  The
engine doesn't burn a drop of oil.  I started with Amsoil.  They were
expensive and also had synthetic gear oil for my manual transmission.  I
have since use all brands (Moble, Castrol etc.) without any problems.  The
only thing I look for is NOT a synthetic blend and the viscosity.  Some
synthetics get very thin.
Paul Gress
Carson Clark wrote:
> I have yet to see information concerning the use of synthetic motor oil
> in our DMC's.  Do any of you have any recomendations, or know of any
> problems with using synthetic motor oil.
>
> Also what kind do you use.
>
> Thanks,
>
> C
> VIN 16367
>
> =====
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> Carson Clark wrote:
> 
> I have yet to see information concerning the use of synthetic motor oil
> in our DMC's.  
How far have you looked Carson?
The DML archives are chocked full of comments, pro and con,
on the use of synthetics in the DeLorean.  (Or in anything
else for that matter.)
My 2 cents worth.....save you money.  Use only what the
manufacturer recommended.
Regards,
Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982)
Midlothian, VA
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Mark,
I had a problem that sounds a lot like what you are experiencing. My car
would start fine in the morning and fine after it had been running for
awhile but when it sat out in the sun on a warm California day (usually in
the parking lot at work) it would not start. I would remove the plug from
the cold start valve (blue plug) and put the control pressure regulator plug
(gray plug) on to the cold start valve and it would start up. Essentially
this is force feeding fuel into what turned out to be a starved fuel system.
When I would put the plugs back on to their correct components it would fire
up. It worked every time. I finally figured out the problem, it was the RPM
relay going out. After replacing the relay the problem disappeared.
Hope this helps,
-SweatyEddy
#6564
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> Hi,
>
> I've got a couple of ideas on this, but wanted to get more input in
> case I forgot something obvious.
>
> This past weekend my DeLorean wouldn't start when the engine was warm,
> but cooler than normal operating temp. Cold start is fine. Hot start is
> fine. It only showed up if I left the car sit for a while and the
> engine temp dropped to around 100 degrees or so. Then, no start. Let it
> cool down another 1/2 hour and it started just fine. Drive down the
> road. Stop at a rest area for 5 minutes. Engine is still warm when I
> get back and it starts fine.
>
> It did this to me twice. If it had a carburetor instead of FI, I'd say
> the choke was adjusted wrong. I'm thinking the thermo-time switch could
> be going bad? Not completely bad or it wouldn't cold-start properly,
> but maybe lost it's calibration?
>
> Any suggestions appreciated!
>
> Mark N
> VIN 6820
>


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I've been using Castrol Syntec for over 5 years and have noticed no ill
affects.
Dick
V-3000
Carson Clark wrote:
> I have yet to see information concerning the use of synthetic motor oil
> in our DMC's.  Do any of you have any recomendations, or know of any
> problems with using synthetic motor oil.
>
> Also what kind do you use.
>
> Thanks,
>
> C
> VIN 16367
>
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This sounds like a great idea to me. Mine still have the arrows, but I'm su=
re they'll eventually wear away. So I'd be interested in buying a kit. $5 b=
ucks is a great price! I'd buy one now for the future. (no pun intended.) -=
--Dan
  ----- Original Message ----- =
  From: mike(AT)mrcopies.com =
  To: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com =
  Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 10:14 PM
  Subject: [DML] Make Your Window Switches Look Like NEW!
  I've been experiementing with a low tack sticker stencil you apply to you=
r window switches then spray paint or screen ink in white.  Peel the sticke=
r when dry and wah-la... instant arrows.
   =
  My "prototype" hand cut one worked like magic.  Am I re-inventing the whe=
el or has anyone else ever done this?
   =
  If enough people were interested I could have a die made and pop a kit to=
gether with photo instructions for a few bucks ($5?).  I own a print shop s=
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   =
  Do most people just suffer with arrowless switches?  =
   =
  Thanks
  mike(AT)mrcopies.com
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This sounds like a great idea to me. Mine =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:dmcnews(AT)egro=
ups.com" =
  title=3Ddmcnews(AT)egroups.com>dmcnews(AT)egroups.com</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [DML] Make Your Window Sw=
itches =
  Look Like NEW!</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I've been experiementing with a low t=
ack =
  sticker stencil you apply to your window switches then spray paint or scr=
een =
  ink in white.&nbsp; Peel the sticker when dry and wah-la... instant =
  arrows.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>My "prototype" hand cut one worked li=
ke =
  magic.&nbsp; Am I re-inventing the wheel or has anyone else ever done =
  this?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>If enough people were interested I co=
uld have =
  a die made and pop a kit together with photo instructions for a few bucks=
 =
  ($5?).&nbsp; I own a print shop so this stuff is right up my =
  alley.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Do most people just suffer with arrow=
less =
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Calling around, it has been made clear to me that there are no new front =
shock absorbers available other than original vintage Girlings that have =
been on a shelf since 1983.
Is this true?  Are there not other shocks available than these?  I don't =
want to buy a set of brand new 20 year old shock absorbers.  I checked =
Houston and Grady, they have the same part number.
Help!
Chris
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Call DMC Houston for replacement keys.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
----------
> From: Carson Clark <cnsandog(AT)yahoo.com>
> 
> I have been reading alot of the e-mails with alot of different key code
> numbers in the e-mail.  I guess I missed the start of all of this, but
> I was able to get a key copied at a local locksmith here in San Diego. 
> He just used a standard Volvo key blank.  
> 
> Is there any way that I can purchase an original key, or a replica of
> the original key- with the black plastic etc...  I purchased my car
> from the original owner and he had lost the original key! :-(
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> C
> VIN 16367

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I just found this on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=189915941
-Christian
VIN: ____ :(


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Hey man, that's an awesome idea!  Eventually, maybe all switches could
be accounted for.  If you do decide to do this, make sure to e-mail me
:)
thanks,
mike schaefer
"mike(AT)mrcopies.com" wrote:
>  I've been experiementing with a low tack sticker stencil you apply to
> your window switches then spray paint or screen ink in white.  Peel
> the sticker when dry and wah-la... instant arrows. My "prototype" hand
> cut one worked like magic.  Am I re-inventing the wheel or has anyone
> else ever done this? If enough people were interested I could have a
> die made and pop a kit together with photo instructions for a few
> bucks ($5?).  I own a print shop so this stuff is right up my
> alley. Do most people just suffer with arrowless
> switches? Thanksmike(AT)mrcopies.com
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Hey man, that's an awesome idea!&nbsp; Eventually, maybe all switches could
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<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;<font color="#000000"><font size=-1>I've been
experiementing with a low tack sticker stencil you apply to your window
switches then spray paint or screen ink in white.&nbsp; Peel the sticker
when dry and wah-la... instant arrows.</font></font>&nbsp;<font color="#000000"><font size=-1>My
"prototype" hand cut one worked like magic.&nbsp; Am I re-inventing the
wheel or has anyone else ever done this?</font></font>&nbsp;<font color="#000000"><font size=-1>If
enough people were interested I could have a die made and pop a kit together
with photo instructions for a few bucks ($5?).&nbsp; I own a print shop
so this stuff is right up my alley.</font></font>&nbsp;<font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Do
most people just suffer with arrowless switches?</font></font>&nbsp;<font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Thanks</font></font><font color="#000000"><font size=-1><a href="mailto:mike(AT)mrcopies.com">mike(AT)mrcopies.com</a></font></font>&nbsp;
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Hi,  I just got an 81, red dmc, it is a beautiful car, but the doors only go 
up a little over half way, the struts seem very weak, and i'm pretty sure it 
is the problem.  Could someone aim me in the direction of an inexpensive 
source for replacement struts for the doors, and are there any cheaper 
struts that can be used to replace the front and louver struts?  Any 
information is greatly appreciated, i'm very new to the community, but I 
have been doing my homework.
thanks,
Mike Schaefer
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Dear List,
Those of you who are in Southern California or will be visiting during the first
week of December are invited to join other DeLorean owners at the Festival of
Lights Parade in Palm Springs.  The date is Saturday, December 4th, starting at
5:45pm.  It is a nighttime parade, through downtown Palm Springs, and all
entries - even marching groups - are decorated with white Xmas lights. 
If you are interested and have not received an invitation, either email us (off
list at hbreer(AT)ix.netcom.com) or call 626-798-6279 day/evening.
This will be the 4th year we have had a group of DeLoreans in this parade.
Hank & Mimi Breer
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Mike,
I would be interested in your window switch stencil.
Burke
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I use mobil I, tried amsol, castrol, texaco synthetics.  Mobil 1 was the
best. We used it in all our cars.
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Only 6 days left until Dyno Testing Day at Street Stuff in Addison
Illinois.
We are going to dyno tune marty's turbo delorean as the final event.
We are also going to test the Super Charged D from Glenn & Sons Auto.
And test a stock automatic D.
If you have never seen dyno testing of a car or dyno tuning one this is
a very interesting experience.  The is the first time this has been done
for the D.  Contact me a 630 325-2083 if you are coming.
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My best thoughts are to take it to an alighnment shop and have them take a
looksee, they usually don't charge for this service, I know that NTB doesn't.
Reggie in Norfolk, Va.


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when taking out the drivers seat there are four bolts. one in each
corner.  on the right side (closest to the side of the car) there are
three bolts inbetween the bolts for the seats.  what are those bolts
for??  thanks!
Erik Geerdink
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I found some stuff this weekend called Blue Magic metal polish.  I got it at 
Kmart.  It's decently cheap, and it had worked like, well, magic on mine. You 
can tell a supreme difference between the panels I've done and not done.   I 
would also suggest a buffer, because it makes life a lot easier.  They also 
make a wheel cleaner, and it's also just as incredible.
Scott
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Does anyone have a pewter DeLorean with the doors open they would like to
trade for a DeLorean with the doors closed?  If so, please contact me
directly via email.  Thanks! 
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I forget the details of the original post but you may have thrown a wheel
weight causing one wheel to vibrate.  This may give you that "speed bump"
sensation.
I'm always amazed to see people driving cars on the freeway with one wheel
bouncing violently.  These are the opposite of those who drive cars that
look like the shocks fell out giving them the "smooooth" ride.  
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I had the same problem with my D.  I had to replace both the steering U
joints to fix the problem.  Definately not exactly the cheapest of
fixes.  If your lucky like I was, you'll find somebody who's got an
extra one around thats in good shape otherwise you'll be spending
upwards of $500 for the parts.  If your unsure how to check those
joints, let me know.  I'm on my way down to VA in a few weeks.  I'm no
expert, but I do know from experience what I had to do for mine.
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Symptom: "I'm driving along and the car slows down as though it is
running out of gas"  ... it probably is.
Make sure your fuel pickup is not bending as you accelerate.  I had a
problem once where the car would not run in forward but ran fine in reverse
and idled fine.  I replaced the fuel pickup line (bottom of pump) and solved
the problem  In my case, the stud in the bottom of the tank is missing
causing the old and tired fuel pickup to move around.  It eventually kinks
and restricts the fuel flow.  I now have a short stiff tube that goes
straight down with little option for flexing.
Nick Kemp
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Hello...
Great idea.... Put my name on the list for a set.
Rich Cutter
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>I've been experiementing with a low tack sticker stencil you apply to your 
>window switches then spray paint or screen ink in white.  Peel the sticker 
>when dry and wah-la... instant arrows.
>
>My "prototype" hand cut one worked like magic.  Am I re-inventing the wheel 
>or has anyone else ever done this?
>
>If enough people were interested I could have a die made and pop a kit 
>together with photo instructions for a few bucks ($5?).  I own a print shop 
>so this stuff is right up my alley.
>
>Do most people just suffer with arrowless switches?
>
>Thanks
>mike(AT)mrcopies.com
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I recall that one of the reasons Gull Wing doors were selected for the
Delorean, in addition to looks, was that they were safer that conventional
doors.  Supposedly they would take up to a 35 MPH side impact without
impinging on the driver.  
On the other hand, side impact injuries are usually the result of the
occupant hitting the car and not the car hitting the occupant (that old
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I think we've had enough responses to this thread, and there is no need to
send out any more "make a set for me, too!" messages to all 974 DML
subscribers.
If you have further comments for Mike (the Mr. Copies Mike, not me) please
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Please note that this *could* have been an excellent use for the eGroups
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subscribers interested in a project without filling all of our Email boxes.
Any subscriber can access the DML's poll function from the eGroups page.
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Could someone describe exactly what Dyno Testing is?  
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Only 6 days left until Dyno Testing Day at Street Stuff in Addison
Illinois.
We are going to dyno tune marty's turbo delorean as the final event.
We are also going to test the Super Charged D from Glenn & Sons Auto.
And test a stock automatic D.
If you have never seen dyno testing of a car or dyno tuning one this is
a very interesting experience.  The is the first time this has been done
for the D.  Contact me a 630 325-2083 if you are coming.
Bob Brandys
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Hi fellow DeLorean fans,
  Check out my webpage, (www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Factory/9755/)
Please ignore any errors as I am still working on it.  The two Windows 
backgrounds I have for download in the Other section are not functional 
links yet, I have to upload those files still.
Kevin
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Anyone who has been dreaming of replacing those weather beaten and
mistreated grey seat covers, has a chance on ebay.The auction ends in 2
days.   
No, I'm Not the seller.
I had to wait 5 yrs. before I had the chance to buy a set for my car. I just
wanted to inform the list of this rare opprotunity.
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Can any window motors from other vehicles be modified to work with the 
delorean.  I would like to replace mine, but $300-500 is a lot of money.  
Can an existing, non-functional motor be rebuilt?
Thanks,
Mike Schaefer
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does anybody have a picture of what the "refurbished" wheels from DMC
Houston look like.  Also, does someone else have a picture of what the
"machined" wheels look like?  I'm in the market for some new wheels on
4512.  thanks
Erik Geerdink
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Sorry fellow enthusiasts -- but I just got an offer to good to refuse
on a 78 Ferrari 308 GTS.  Unfortunately money and garage space (and a
wife who doesn't understand that cars are more than transportation!)
force me to sell my beloved DMC.  It is a late 1982 model (no gas flap
/ creased hood) painted a glorious Ferrari emron red with the grey
interior.  Lowered with polished wheels and a custom dual exhaust.  I
am the second owner, bought from California collector two years ago. 
New tires, fuel pump & acccumulator, master and slave clutch cylinders,
water pump & hoses, brake master and slave cylinders plus pads & ss
brake lines -- all within last year.  All upgrades done. Fanzilla
added.  Nothing for you to do but drive it.  28,000 miles. Always
garaged and covered. body and interior perfect - A genuine head turner.
 The price for all this - a mere $18K.
Car is located in San Antonio, Texas.  Contact me at
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I am sure many of us stayed up late last night and watched this.
But for those of you who didn't. It is avaliable for purchase at
1-800-708-1776 ask for the show titled Histories Greatest Blunders. 19.95
+SH  
NO, I do not have any personal interest in the history channel.
I just wanted everyone to be informed.
I did enjoy seeing all the old archived film footage. It was nice that it
was presented as seemingly unbiased (IMO), without the personal attacks that
are usually present about the man or the car. They mainly stated factual
information. They did put a little bit of a positive on it, at the end when
they said it was made a star in the bttf films.  They just needed to ad one
more thing " the delorean has an ever-present loyal following too this day
thru collectors and enthuesiests"IMO
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This is true!  The practical side of the gullwing doors aside from creating extra entering/exiting space is for resistance in a side impact collision. Because of the high sill, and the side impact beam, the DeLorean is a much safer car, at least for its time, from a side impact standpoint. This can be seen in "Back From The Future" when John Z himself explains this reasoning.
Justin
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hand brake


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>when taking out the drivers seat there are four bolts. one in each
>corner.  on the right side (closest to the side of the car) there are
>three bolts inbetween the bolts for the seats.  what are those bolts
>for??  thanks!
>
>Erik Geerdink
>4512
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My apologies to all DML'ers for the delay in replies
for the past few and next few days. I am on a
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to be back in the states on Wednesday.
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I don't have any truly good pictures (ie, in the car in high rez), but
there are some pictures at:
http://www.usadmc.com/catalog/wheelsetc.html
As for me, I can't hardly imagine paying $200 a wheel to have them
refinished.  Certainly this must be something that a local shop could
perform for far cheaper, eh?
delorean502(AT)excite.com wrote:
> 
> does anybody have a picture of what the "refurbished" wheels from DMC
> Houston look like.  Also, does someone else have a picture of what the
> "machined" wheels look like?  I'm in the market for some new wheels on
> 4512.  thanks
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Mike -
Check to ensure it's not a cracked gear in the window transmission.  These
gears are notorious for crapping out.  I bought 2 new gears and my windows
work as good as new.
To check your motors here's what you need to do...
Disconnect the window motor from the window arm (one screw on the top and
bottom) and plug it back into the connectors...if it doesn't spin then check
to ensure it's getting power (apply a volt meter to the connectors).
Hope this helps.
mike(AT)mrcopies.com

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Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 4:16 PM
Subject: [DML] Window Motors
>Can any window motors from other vehicles be modified to work with the
>delorean.  I would like to replace mine, but $300-500 is a lot of money.
>Can an existing, non-functional motor be rebuilt?
>Thanks,
>Mike Schaefer
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Hi DMLers.  Friday I was on a trip and a teacher asked the girl in front of 
me about her name.  "Oh Dalora, that's pretty is that like Delores, or what?" 
she said. 
    "No, actually my dad just kind of made it up.  It's supposed to be like 
that car, the De Lorean."  I almost fell out of my seat!  :)  I wanted to 
show her my De Lorean book cover but unfortunately I didn't have it.  I still 
thought that was neat, though!  :)
    ~Rick
    VIN-- soon to have one in NJ!
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I saw it last night, and I thought it was good. I want to record it. Does
anyone know if/when it'll be on again? If someone finds out, could they
please let me know? Thanks. ---Dan
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> I am sure many of us stayed up late last night and watched this.
> But for those of you who didn't. It is avaliable for purchase at
> 1-800-708-1776 ask for the show titled Histories Greatest Blunders. 19.95
> +SH
> NO, I do not have any personal interest in the history channel.
> I just wanted everyone to be informed.
>
> I did enjoy seeing all the old archived film footage. It was nice that it
> was presented as seemingly unbiased (IMO), without the personal attacks
that
> are usually present about the man or the car. They mainly stated factual
> information. They did put a little bit of a positive on it, at the end
when
> they said it was made a star in the bttf films.  They just needed to ad
one
> more thing " the delorean has an ever-present loyal following too this day
> thru collectors and enthuesiests"IMO
>
> Dennis, Vin 5180
>
>
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my site, located at
http://www.geocities.com/dkazmark/
has been updated with some new pics.....check it out!
Don Kazmark
vin 3541......ahhh waited so long to be able to say that!

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On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Rich Kula wrote:
> Could someone describe exactly what Dyno Testing is?  
In a dyno test, your car is placed on rollers similar to those used at
many modern emissions testing facilities.  The front wheels are locked
into place somehow and the rear wheels spin the rollers.  The rollers are
a known weight.  By entering in the gearing and tire size of your car and
measuring how quickly the rollers can be accelerated to a given speed, the
computer in the dyno can calculate the amount of horsepower produced by
the car.
The results of this type of dyno (a "chassis" dyno) measure the amount of
power at the wheels.  Typically this is about 15% less than the engine
actually produces, due to drivetrain losses.  The DeLorean's 130HP rating 
is engine horsepower, so a stock DeLorean in good condition would read
about 100-110 HP on a chassis dyno.
You can measure engine output directly with an engine dyno, however this
requires removing the engine from the car and so is much less common.

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On Mon, 1 Nov 1999 dcsj(AT)excite.com wrote:
> I did enjoy seeing all the old archived film footage. It was nice that
> it was presented as seemingly unbiased (IMO), without the personal
> attacks that are usually present about the man or the car. They mainly
> stated factual information. They did put a little bit of a positive on
I didn't like the show very much.  Much of the information presented was
wrong, including the dates of production, the reasons behind JZD's arrest,
and the involvement of Lotus.  The program seemed to be focused entirely
on the silliness of the British government - the first half of the
program, which was nominally about the Spruce Goose, spent fully half the
time talking about the failure of a similar British development effort.
The DeLorean half of the program was similarly filled with repeated
statements that the British government was foolish for not overseeing the
company more carefully.
That said, I liked the old footage too.  I hadn't seen much of it
previously.

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Thank you to everyone who took part in my contest to guess what the "Myster=
y Piece" that was found in my car is (http://www.egroups.com/docvault/dmcne=
ws/mystery.jpg).  From the 7 guesses I have picked two winners, Noah Huffma=
n for his guess of a piece of a Kiln, and Kelvin Mason for his guess that t=
he piece was found in either the air filter or another airduct.
Here is the story behind this rather peculiar item:
While driving my DeLorean across the country last summer, my engine started=
 to develop a "ping" and would click rather loudly at certain revolutions. =
 At just over 30,000 original miles on the car, the engine was starting to =
fail.  (Don't worry, this was a freak occurrence with this particular car a=
s you will soon see).  Upon reaching my new home in Colorado and finding a =
mechanic adept in working on D's, I took my car in and had it checked out. =
 The Mechanics prognosis was just what I was afraid it would be, that I wou=
ld either have to rebuild or replace the engine sometime in the near future=
.  After nearly a year of trying to decide what to do, and dreading an engi=
ne blow-up every time I drove the car, I decided to have the engine rebuilt=
.  When I went to pick the car up last week, the mechanic handed me the pie=
ce shown in the vault, telling me that this piece probably caused all of me=
 engine troubles.
His best guess (from talking to other people who work on DeLoreans) is that=
 this little piece is a part of the jig used when machining the PRV engine.=
  It broke off and somehow ended up in the oil pan of the car.  Dana (my me=
chanic) found it wedged in the oil line, in effect causing an oil "heart at=
tack." Without adequate oil getting to the engine, the breakdown of the met=
al components happened much faster than usual.  He also gave me the rod bea=
ring set that had the most wear on it. It is posted at http://www.egroups.c=
om/docvault/dmcnews/part102612.jpg
So now you know the rest of the story.......
Michael Babb
Vin 3472
michael(AT)babbtechnology.com
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thank you to everyone who took part in my contest to gu=
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ss of =
a piece of a Kiln, and Kelvin Mason for his guess that the piece was found =
in =
either the air filter or another airduct.</FONT></DIV>
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item:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>While driving my DeLorean across the country last summe=
r, my =
engine started to develop a "ping" and would click rather loudly at certain=
 =
revolutions.&nbsp; At just over 30,000 original miles on the car, the engin=
e was =
starting to fail.&nbsp; (Don't worry, this was a freak occurrence with this=
 =
particular car as you will soon see).&nbsp; Upon reaching my new home in =
Colorado and finding a mechanic adept in working on D's, I took my car in a=
nd =
had it checked out.&nbsp; The Mechanics prognosis was just what I was afrai=
d it =
would be, that I would either have to rebuild or replace the engine sometim=
e in =
the near future.&nbsp; After nearly a year of trying to decide what to do, =
and =
dreading an engine blow-up every time&nbsp;I drove the car, I decided to ha=
ve =
the engine rebuilt.&nbsp; When I went to pick the car up last week, the mec=
hanic =
handed me the piece shown in the vault, telling me that this piece probably=
 =
caused all of me engine troubles.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>His best guess (from talking to other people who work o=
n =
DeLoreans) is that this little piece is a part of the jig used when machini=
ng =
the PRV engine.&nbsp; It broke off and somehow ended up in the oil pan of t=
he =
car.&nbsp; Dana (my mechanic) found it wedged in the oil line, in effect ca=
using =
an oil "heart attack." Without adequate oil getting to the engine, the brea=
kdown =
of the metal components happened much faster than usual.&nbsp; He also gave=
 me =
the rod bearing set that had the most wear on it. It is posted at <A =
href=3D"http://www.egroups.com/docvault/dmcnews/part102612.jpg">http://www.=
egroups.com/docvault/dmcnews/part102612.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>So now you know the rest of the story.......</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Michael Babb</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Vin 3472</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><A =
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Where in Back to the Future does Mr. Delorean say anything?
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Dyno testing is a test to determine Hosepower and torque at both the flywheel 
and rear wheels. Dyno testing can also determine any problems with the engine 
as far as induction or exhaust, depending on what kind of dyno it is and who 
does it.
There ya go,
Johnnie
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In a message dated 10/31/99 5:27:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
blast59(AT)hotmail.com writes:
<< I live in Canada and I don't own a DeLorean (yet.)  As you can guess, 
there 
 aren't many of them at all here, and I would really like to get in touch 
 with someone who owns one.  >>
You might be surprised.  I've only seen a D "in the wild" once, yet since 
I've been asking and looking to buy one, I've found 11 in my area for sale, 
not to mention ones that aren't for sale!  I'm amazed!  - Wayne   (Phila., Pa 
area)
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In a message dated 10/30/99 10:06:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dmcnews-owner(AT)egroups.com writes:
<< < 
  As an aside, the sills on the 300SL coupe's gullwing doors were quite high 
 and
  rather cumbersome to negotiate.  Unlike the DeLorean sills, they were only 
 about 
  10 or 12 inches below the bottom of the window.  With the introduction of 
 the Roaster >>
 Also the 300SL windows were fixed, meaning once you closed the doors,you had 
 no windows to open for ventilation but that made the doors really light,so 
 that unlike the Bricklins hydroelectric/or airdoors,and Deloreans torsion 
bar 
 setup the 300SL needed just struts to open the doors. 
 
 Claude
 000570  >>
Its not fair,by the time I read the list you have already closed the 
thread,also the enclosed was some "GOOD" basic information about the 
differences between the three gullwings,I mean if DMC JOE had posted this 
info you would most likely have let it go.I don't mean to be a pain but I am 
not a fast typer and it takes me a while to type up something only to see my 
time wasted because you feel like closing a thread,I have more experience 
with Deloreans timewise than the big three Delorean suppliers and it would be 
a shame if I said the hell with the DML and kept my 18 1/2 years experience 
with Deloreans to myself.
Claude 
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In a message dated 10/31/99 5:27:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dsilek(AT)email.msn.com writes:
<< Having fixed just about all the major issues that have presented themselves
 in the course of my ownership of my D, a new one has popped up.  There seems
 now to be a lot of give in the steering.  That is to say, that when driving
 I can move my wheel a few degrees and nothing happens to direct the wheels
 in a different direction.  Is it the tie rod?  If so is the >>
Chances are that you will need a adjustment on your rack,have you checked the 
rack mounts to see if they are loose,or the rubber mount worn/broken.
Claude
000570  
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dear dml
does any one know a delorean owner in california named
nick hydrogen (im not sure thats the correct way to
spell his last name but it sound something like that)
if any one know or he him self reads this please email
me 

efren 16072
ps
still lookin for rc delorean 60 dollar offer 
or trade for other delorean parts of bttf items
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Dear Moderator, I am trying to reach Reggie Knowlton as his city is only 5
miles from where I live.  I recall several days/weeks ago an email about how
the egroups system edits email addresses/
If you could, would you please forward this email to him?  I would very much
like to meet with him and have him go over my D. My email address is
dsilek(AT)msn.com . I am in Va. Beach and Norfolk is about 10 minutes from my
house, and Reggie is the first person I have found in the VAB/Norfolk area
with a D. as well.
Thanks so much
David W. Silek
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dynomometer testing tests the power output of an engine.  This is down
either with the engine on a test stand (you see this in Hot Rod or Car
Craft Magazines)  or at the wheels output. 
The car drive wheels are put onto a large drum that is geared to a water
wheel in a large tank.  As the wheels turns they generate heat in the
water by friction which is a measure of the horsepower output of the
car.
This is the first test of deloreans that actually will measure the
output of car at the wheels.  This is the best measure to compare
performance.  Lastly, year we tested a stock 5 speed.  It put out 100 HP
and 134 ft lb torque at the wheels.  Note: a highly tuned big block
camaro was tested last year with 398 HP and 400 fl lb torque at the
wheels.  
Hope to see you there.
Bob
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I will see what we can do to set up a video camera to tape the testing
sessions.
I will be take losts of pictures for the article about all the testing
results. Any other suggestions are welcome.
Bob
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Does anyone know if that program will be back on the History channel again?  
I missed it and would really like to see it, but I don't have the money to 
buy the cassette.  If any of you know if/when the show will be on again, 
please let me know.  Thanks.
Bremt
(no D yet, but hoping to get one soon)
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>Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 12:13:09 PST
>
>I am sure many of us stayed up late last night and watched this.
>But for those of you who didn't. It is avaliable for purchase at
>1-800-708-1776 ask for the show titled Histories Greatest Blunders. 19.95
>+SH
>NO, I do not have any personal interest in the history channel.
>I just wanted everyone to be informed.
>
>I did enjoy seeing all the old archived film footage. It was nice that it
>was presented as seemingly unbiased (IMO), without the personal attacks 
>that
>are usually present about the man or the car. They mainly stated factual
>information. They did put a little bit of a positive on it, at the end when
>they said it was made a star in the bttf films.  They just needed to ad one
>more thing " the delorean has an ever-present loyal following too this day
>thru collectors and enthuesiests"IMO
>
>Dennis, Vin 5180
>
>
>
>
>
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STreet Stuff is located at
633 S. Addison Rd.
Addison, IL 6+0101-4648
PH 630-832-3773
a map is available at:
http://MapsOnUs.switchboard.com/bin/maps-maponly/usr=~381ef440.f36d4.24d1.9/c=4/refsrc=SB.newsb/formName=setclickpost
They are located near Route 83 and north ave (Route 64).  Go west from
route 83 and north ave to addison rd.( Turn right)  Go north at addison
road 1.23 miles.  Street stuff is on east side of road(right side). 
Dark brick building in strip mall.
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William T. Wilson said:
> I didn't like the show very much.  Much of the information presented
> was wrong, including the dates of production, the reasons behind
> JZD's arrest, and the involvement of Lotus.  The program seemed
> to be focused entirely on the silliness of the British government -
The program *was* called "History's Greatest Blunders" so we should expect the
entire content of the show to be the naming of the blundering party and the
details of their blunder.  As far as I am concerned, The History Channel did
place the blame correctly on the British Government, who made some incredibly
stupid deals with JZD.  They also described the blunder somewhat accurately,
although they left out and distorted many details.
History Channel was trying to make a case that the DeLorean project was a
colossal blunder. The information that most DMLers would like to see, like
production dates, QAC practices, JZD's arrest, and the current state of
DeLoreans in the world, was unimportant to making their case.
Notice that they compared the DeLorean to the Edsel, not the more logical
Bricklin or Tucker.  They could have chosen the Edsel as the subject for the
show, but decided that the DeLorean was a bigger blunder.  Perhaps the reason
for this choice was that they planned to blame the British government for the
DeLorean blunder, making it more worthy of a documentary.
BTW I think the copyright date said 1997, although I have been watching
History Channel for years and have never seen this segement before.
Re: the old factory footage:
In much of the footage, The cars had their VINs displayed in large numbers on
their bumpers.  Throughout the documentary, the same batch of DeLoreans was
shown over and over.  They were all early 81s, most with VINs in the 10xx
range.
Did any DMLers see their own cars on TV?
- Mike Substelny

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In a message dated 11/2/99 9:46:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
BigJohn927(AT)aol.com writes:
<< Where in Back to the Future does Mr. Delorean say anything? >>
The original post said "Back From The Future" not "Back To The Future"  The 
"Back From The Future" is a documentary video about JZD and the car.  It can 
be purchased from the DeLorean Owners Association.
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I would like to get a copy of that Documentary (?) but don't know where to
go.  Any help would be appreciated.
VIN#1373

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snip---->This can be seen in "Back From The Future" when John Z himself
explains this reasoning.<----snip
Read it again... closely...
And, what is this "Back from the future"? I've never heard of it...
---Dan
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In a message dated 11/2/99 10:25:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
msubstel(AT)lorainccc.edu writes:
<< They could have chosen the Edsel as the subject for the
 show, but decided that the DeLorean was a bigger blunder.  Perhaps the reason
 for this choice was that they planned to blame the British government for the
 DeLorean blunder, making it more worthy of a documentary. >>
If there was someone to blame for a "Blunder" it was the man himself (JZD)not 
the British Goverment,ok maybe a little blame on the British Government for 
not keeping closer tabs on how the money was spent,but JZD was a General 
Motors man,and the only thing he knew real good was about making high volume 
cars,he was trying to run DMC as if it was one of the divisions of General 
Motors,in other words some
body else pays all the bills(British Gov.),no matter what the cost,hence the 
oversize factory,the Park Ave offices(New York)the overruns in expenses, the 
over production
of cars ect.By the time he realized his "Blunders" it was to late,the British 
Goverment 
stopped the supply of cash,unless he could match the next Twenty million the 
British Goverment was willing to give him,then we all know what happen in 
L.A. after that.
Claude
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Last night I popped one of the front wheels off and saw that almost all
the stuff around the brakes(excuse the un-technical discription)
including the frame sections and arms that hold everything together was
covered....no caked with what had to be 18 years of grease and brake
dust.Since I wanted to start cleaning this up to start doing some brake
work on the car I started cleaning it off the best I could but the only
stuff that would loosen it up was engine degreaser. Did I make a big
mistake here by putting that on there?..can it be detrimental to the
frame and other metal pieces?.....I did find that some little areas need
some touching up to gaurd againt rust in the future but thankfully
nothing major....My neighbor stopped by to see what I was up to and
mentioned that I might want to leave all the grease on there to "gaurd"
against rust....could that be true? I know I'd much rather know what
under all that greast and fix it up then have it "guarding" the metal fo
sure.....So here's the big question....whats a good cleaner to get all
the grease and other stuff off all the pieces in the whell well (I'd
like to clean up the actual black under body too if possible).....maybe
a power washer?( I thought that might not be a good idea blowing water
into areas around the frame) Any ideas or suggestions would be hightly
appreciated......
Don Kazmark
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I was flip'n through a copy of Architectural Digest Motoring (it is the one
w/ Kevin Kosner w/ his '66 Mustang Cobra GT on the front - I would reference
the issue# but for the life of me could not find it so I don't even know how
old it is - anyway) and on page 105 saw a picture of a DeLorean driving down
the road. The article is about Nissan's Top Secret Design Lab and the
designers there put up existing cars they get their inspiration from and
want to incorporate in the new Nissan Z.  Nothing is said about the D, but I
just thought is was nice to see the DeLorean is having an influence and/or
inspiration on current auto designers.
Shannon
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ure of a DeLorean driving down the road. The article is about Nissan's Top =
Secret Design Lab and the designers there put up existing cars they get the=
ir inspiration from and want to incorporate in the new Nissan Z.&nbsp; Noth=
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Mr. Espey wrote,
snip--->502, 528, 530 and 558 all assigned to Legend Industries<---snip
I know that Legend designed twin-turbo, as well as single turbo application=
s for the DeLorean. Does anyone know if these were the only four cars contr=
acted to Legend Industries? Somewhere I heard there were 6 cars total... fo=
ur equipped with twins and two with singles. Is this true? =
And of the four vins posted above, does anyone know which were single and w=
hich were twin-turbo applications? And if there were two other cars, which =
turbo setup did those cars have? =
I would really like to know what turns up here. Much thanks in advance for =
any information.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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 well as =
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the =
only four cars contracted to Legend Industries? Somewhere I heard there wer=
e 6 =
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rue? =
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other cars, which turbo setup did those cars have? </FONT></DIV>
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Sorry for not making this clear....
The interview with John DeLorean speaking of the advantafes of the Gullwing design was about halfway through the documentary "Back FROM The Future" produced by list member Robert Lamrock. I believe that they are available through the DOA still at their on-line store.
This is not to be confused with Back To The Future the film.
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While looking through the back of an AutoWeek mag., a couple months back, I
ran across a for sale ad with picture. The car was a 1980 BMW M1 It appeared
to be a 2seat sports coupe the design was strikingly similar too a
Delorean/Lotus Espri Hybrid concept.
It was listed (AT) $85,000 .  Is this a rare prototype or an actual production
model? I have to say its the sharpest looking BMW I've ever seen. The front
end looks delorean and back end looks espri.
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I was wondering which relay controles the door locks.  the former owner
of mine made it so both doors would not unlock with the turn of the
key.  Also, if I purchased the relay update, would that fix a lot of
the problems with the doors locking you in??  Or should I invest in a
lockzilla?  thanks
Erik Geerdink
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Does anybody know what shade of gray goes on the headliners?? is there
a color code or something?  I'd like to get it done localy, but if need
be I will send them to DMC Houston.  Also, DMC Houston offers
refurbished or machined wheels.  Does that mean I have to send in my
wheels to get them redone, or do I actually get new wheels for that
price?  I've e-mailed Houston, but no responce on this subject. Thanks
for the help.
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OK, a couple more questions that I just thought of...
1. Does anybody have instructions on how to take off teh dashboard?
2. How hard is it to take out the fuel tank to clean?  is this
something I shouldn't try?  anybody have instructions on how to do it?
3. Is there a diagram of the relays and what goes where?  I couldn't
find it in the service manuals
thats about it.....thanks!
Erik
p.s
anybody have a dashboard for sale that is in good condition with NO
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Do any of you fellow California DMC owners know if our cars can be
registered as a 'historical vehicle', and (more importantly) not have
to be smogged?  I wondered about this after reading about it in the
latest DeLorean World Mag.
I am also interested in the car's status in North Carolina since I will
be moving there soon.  Any info would be helpful!
thanks,
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goto www.historychannel.com 
you should find a video of that show listed for about $20.  I think it
is 50 min long.

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About the Dyno event,
Bob or someone, can you video/picture the event???
Chris
in the UK
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Only 6 days left until Dyno Testing Day at Street Stuff in Addison
Illinois.
We are going to dyno tune marty's turbo delorean as the final event.
We are also going to test the Super Charged D from Glenn & Sons Auto.
And test a stock automatic D.
If you have never seen dyno testing of a car or dyno tuning one this is
a very interesting experience.  The is the first time this has been done
for the D.  Contact me a 630 325-2083 if you are coming.
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>If there was someone to blame for a "Blunder"<
It is a blunder only in the eyes of some people those who perhaps haven=92=
t
studied what it all involved.
The fact that JDZ managed to gain funding from whatever source and
manufacture some 8000+ cars was No mean feat. Speaking as a British Tax
Payer I've seen the ways that Our various Governments have wasted money
over the years.
That they provided continuous employment to a number of People in Norther=
n
Ireland for some approx 3 years and the spin off in Jobs which were creat=
ed
as a result of the Delorean from the point of view of parts suppliers fro=
m
various parts of the world. Was it a blunder...I look at my Car today and=
it really is a great looking Sports car some 16-18 years on. The design w=
as
good and had the car been given a longer lease of life then I=92m sure th=
at
the minor faults would have been worked out.
The Delorean is no blunder fellow DMC'ers as we who are favoured in ownin=
g
know!!
Just my two penny worth
John Hanley
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OH, sorry about the confusion, i just tought i might have missed something 
(which would be pretty hard after watching the movie about a million times). 
I guess from now on, I should read a little closer.
Thanks,
BigJohn
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As a fan of "oddball" music, I recently learned that a band of 
undefinable genre (rockabilly/experimental/punk/folk) called 
Rocket From the Crypt recently released a song called "DeLorean."
Since it was included with copies of an automotive enthusiast 
magazine called Gearhead, I would imagine it is about the car.
Anyone see this yet?  I just ordered a copy of the magazine with
the record (it is on a 7") so I will hopefully know in a few days
in case anyone else missed this so far...

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The Architectural Digest "Motoring" was the premier issue.  It just came
out.  It is slick and fancy, but, IMHO is simply capitalizing on the
current fat economy.  It is sort of like the Robb Report - it's got cars,
but sure isn't a true enthusiasts magazine. I'd would be  much kinder if
the DeLorean had any real mention - good or bad.
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From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway(AT)hotmail.com>
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I disagree with you Claude, on your thoughts about the British Government. 
In fact, the British Government knew how the money was spent since they had 
people at the board. Also, the GPD scandal has often been blamed on 
Chapman/DeLorean. But what other fails to realize is that this deal was 
APPROVED by the British Government, that is, the Bank of England. Most of 
the money had to be approved by the Government prior to being used on 
anything.
The problem was really that the Government changed, from Labour to 
Conservatives, and the Conservatives would fullfill the previous Governments 
deal with the DeLorean. Funds and export guarantee were cut off, and the 
company folded. The biggest blunder however was that is cost the British 
taxpayer a lot more to close the factory that it would have cost to keep the 
company alive...
Political skirmish? Yes!
Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
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><< They could have chosen the Edsel as the subject for the
>  show, but decided that the DeLorean was a bigger blunder.  Perhaps the 
>reason
>  for this choice was that they planned to blame the British government for 
>the
>  DeLorean blunder, making it more worthy of a documentary. >>
>
>If there was someone to blame for a "Blunder" it was the man himself 
>(JZD)not
>the British Goverment,ok maybe a little blame on the British Government for
>not keeping closer tabs on how the money was spent,but JZD was a General
>Motors man,and the only thing he knew real good was about making high 
>volume
>cars,he was trying to run DMC as if it was one of the divisions of General
>Motors,in other words some
>body else pays all the bills(British Gov.),no matter what the cost,hence 
>the
>oversize factory,the Park Ave offices(New York)the overruns in expenses, 
>the
>over production
>of cars ect.By the time he realized his "Blunders" it was to late,the 
>British
>Goverment
>stopped the supply of cash,unless he could match the next Twenty million 
>the
>British Goverment was willing to give him,then we all know what happen in
>L.A. after that.
>
>Claude
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We know of no reliable sources for door struts other than DeLorean parts
suppliers.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
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> From: Mike $ <sheilaridez(AT)hotmail.com>
> 
> Hi,  I just got an 81, red dmc, it is a beautiful car, but the doors only
go 
> up a little over half way, the struts seem very weak, and i'm pretty sure
it 
> is the problem.  Could someone aim me in the direction of an inexpensive 
> source for replacement struts for the doors, and are there any cheaper 
> struts that can be used to replace the front and louver struts?  Any 
> information is greatly appreciated, i'm very new to the community, but I 
> have been doing my homework.
> thanks,
> Mike Schaefer

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DMCers,
Has anyone any good recommendations for plain grey cloth seat covers for the
DeLorean? I'm looking for something simple ... no patterns, no texture (fake
sheepskin, etc), and a snug fit.
Cheers,                     IAN (#6425)

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At the recent Frankfurt Auto Show, BMW unveiled a concept car, the Z9 Gt.
" The Z9 . . . uses gullwing doors that run the full length of the passenger
cabin.  When open, these doors give passengers full access to all four
seats.  But there is also, built within the gullwing door structure, a
conventional door which allows easy access for the driver and front-seat
passenger"  according to Roundel: The Magazine of the BMW Car Club of
America, Inc.  See the November, 1999, issue for a press photo on page 61.
This is what a De Lorean would look like if the company were still in
business today.
Very Impressive.
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Erik,
    Is it your whole dashboard or just the binnacle that's cracked?  DMC and 
DeLorean One both sell binnacles for around 300 dollars or so.
Scott
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Carson,
As far as I know, the only thing NC has is the antique tag, which truly 
doesn't bring any extra benefits.
Scott
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Last night was the first night I have gotten to really use my heater and the 
fans for it.  After doing this most of the day, I found that after cutting 
the car completely off, the fans would run for 2 or 3 extra seconds.   Also, 
the horn quit working yesterday.  Now, I know the horn has problems about 
getting wet and not working, but how about those fans?  Is that a relay 
problem?  I haven't tackled the relays yet, was planning on doing that next 
month, so I don't know if they have been updated or not.  Thanks!
Scott
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This morning I noticed some hesitation in 1st gear (5 speed with a single turbo) and was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction.  I had to press the pedal all the way to the floor and once it hit 2000 to 2500 it seemed normal again.  Just it seemed slower in getting there.  The other gears and speeds seemed fine from an acceleration standpoint.  Thanks for your support.  
Richard Kula
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The M1 was a joint venture with BMW and ferrarri.  The engine was from 
ferrarri.  Dont know if it was a V-8 or a V-12.  But this car was from late 
70's early 80's.  Italdesign did the styling on it.  The car was sold in 
small quantities in the U.S.  (less than 500 if i recal the facts) and was 
discontinued when ferrarri wanted out of the deal.  Hot looking car though 
with lots of lines similar to other ItalDesign cars of the period (DMC12, 
Esprit, Maserati, Izuzu impulse).  I would take it to be a very hot 
collectors item, meant to be seen and not driven :^(  unlike D's.
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Dear list,
I will be attending the Dyno testing event and taking
pictures as well as video.  I will write into the list
when I have updated my site.  This should be in about
a week.
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While on vacation a few years ago I saw a very sharp looking BMW at an
exoctic car dealership.  I had never seen anything like it either, and
the guy said it was not for sale.  I dont think it was a prototype but
just a very limited production car.  That was the only one I have ever
seen.

--- dcsj(AT)excite.com wrote:
> While looking through the back of an AutoWeek mag., a couple months
> back, I
> ran across a for sale ad with picture. The car was a 1980 BMW M1 It
> appeared
> to be a 2seat sports coupe the design was strikingly similar too a
> Delorean/Lotus Espri Hybrid concept.
> It was listed (AT) $85,000 .  Is this a rare prototype or an actual
> production
> model? I have to say its the sharpest looking BMW I've ever seen. The
> front
> end looks delorean and back end looks espri.
> 
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The BMW M1 was a production car.  They had one on diplay at the BMW Visitors' 
Center at their Greer, South Carolina manufacturing plant.  Another one came 
and was a part of their Euro '99 car show which, by the way, had 4 DeLoreans 
show up.  It was a great show.  The BMW on the show field was for sale and 
the for sale sign said $85000 or trade.
Brian
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Is it possible to just by the binnicle (is that how it is spelled)
without the instuments inside?  Or do I have to buy it all in one
piece?  All my instuments work GREAT...never a problem, but the grey
"hump" is cracked in many places from the sun.  New ones from DMC
Houston cost $600+ for the whole thing.  OR, does anybody know how to
cover up cracks...short term of coarse.  I will replace it eventually. 
thanks alot
Erik Geerdink
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