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----------------------------------------------------------------- 4503. Darryl Tinnerstet Re: Chev engine installation 4504. DMC Joe Re: Door Locks - relay failure? 4505. DMC Joe Re: "normal" brake feel 4506. Marc A Levy Re: Dyno Day 4507. raynet(AT)home.net Re: need part number 4508. delorean502(AT)excite.com parts car 4509. delorean502(AT)excite.com interior 4510. Robert Brandys Re: Insurance Carriers 4511. Robert Brandys Re: Chevy V-8 Delorean 4512. Marc A Levy Re: Bi Turbo 4513. Kelvin Re: DeLorean Blue Prints 4514. Grimsrud, Knut S New DeLorean production chronology analysis avail 4515. mnoeltne(AT)ezl.com Re: Insurance Carriers 4516. James Espey Re: fir tree part number 4517. PaulF52093(AT)aol.com Re: Insurance Carriers 4518. Chip Shirek Re: COOLANT OVERFLOW 4519. Mike Substelny Expect a Great Time at Cleveland 2000 Show 4520. Dirk Wacker oil pressure gauge 4521. delorean502(AT)excite.com DMC training 4522. Jonathan Heslop Re: Cooling system 4523. Ralf Philipp Wiring Diagram 4524. William F. Lane Re: K&N 4525. WINGD2(AT)aol.com Re: COOLANT OVERFLOW 4526. Ian Foster Re: parts car 4527. Martin Gutkowski NEC Car show/DOC Site Update 4528. Stian Birkeland DeLorean Vendors Use of Stainless Screws? 4529. James Espey Re: New DeLorean production chronology analysis 4530. DMC Joe Re: need part number 4531. DMC Joe Re: Need shocks, Don't want Girlings Question!! 4532. DMC Joe DOOR LOCK INFORMATION 4533. DeLorean31(AT)aol.com Re: DeLorean Vendors Use of Stainless Screws? 4534. DMC Joe Re: interior 4535. DMC Joe Re: Wiring Diagram 4536. Dave Swingle Re: Stainless Screws 4537. mike(AT)mrcopies.com Re: DeLorean Vendors Use of Stainless Screws? 4538. jperkins(AT)carolina.rr.com So what are the 0-60 times? -----------------------------------------------------------------
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 21:41:39 -0800 From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl(AT)techline.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Chev engine installation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Duke (and anyone else considering this swap): You may be able to find an adapter, but making your own isa not that difficult, and a lot less expensive. If you use the flywheel face as a reference point, the DeLorean bellhousing would be about 20mm (13/16"+/-) away from the Chev block (regardless of whether you are dealing with a 5 speed or automatic). The trick is to take a DeLorean bellhousing and a Chevy one, locate the center line, and scribe both bolt patterns onto a piece of 20mm aluminum plate. Match the DeLorean torque converter up to the Chev flex plate (flywheel) and redrill it to match the converter. You may have to slightly ream out the circumference of the DeLorean bellhousing to clear the Chevy flex plate starter gear (which I had to do for my Chev flywheel). If anything, mating the DMC auto should be easier since you don't have to deal with the clutch. Use an aftermarket "high torque" Chevy starter since they don't have the normal Chev starter snout to deal with. For engine mounts, fabricate a tubular drop mount like almost all street rods use. I made plates that bolt inside of my rear frame section with existing holes, and welded the tubular mount to them. It has additional supports that run forward to the DMC motor mount pads on the frame crossmember. I've had no problems whatsoever with the added weight and/or 300 HP. Another hint - cross your coolant pipes at the rear of the frame backbone - otherwise the coolant will flow through the radiator the wrong direction with the Chevy. My car never overheats. Good luck with the wiring. One of the top "experts" told me I would never get the tach to work, but mine works perfectly. Study the wiring diagram and its not that difficult. Let me know if you need more info.
Just don"t expect your A/T to last too long, considering they are marginal with 130 HP.....
Darryl Tinnerstet Specialty Automotive 4 LaBelle Lane McCleary, WA 98557 PH: 360-495-4640 FAX: 360-495-4680
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)att.net> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:09:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Door Locks - relay failure? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I am in the process of writing an article on this subject as we speak. The full story will be published on our web-site with in the next few days.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
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This topic has been absolutely beat to death...but I've never seen an answer posted to this.
What IS the problem with the original Delorean door lock module?
Are the relays under-rated?
I understand what happens when the lock module goes (solonoids burn out, driver gets locked in etc...) but have never had a clear explanation about why the problems occur.
Thanks
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)att.net> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:22:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: "normal" brake feel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
A spongy pedal is always an indication of a problem. Pull the wheels and inspect all the brake components than bleed the entire system. If there is no improvement check the vacuum booster.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
---------- > From: saintern <saintern(AT)peri.com> > > -here's a question.....are the brakes on the delorean a little weak by > nature?...It seems I realy gotta press down to get the car car to stop > real good....just doesn't feel as if its up to task so to speak. Does > anyone think that its a problem because I don't know what a DeLorean > with "good" brakes feel like....big difference between the D and my > honda.....maybe a master cylinder leak ?....the petal kinda feels > "spongy" > any ideas? Plus, would a total brake job be doable at home or just have > PJ Grady do it? > Don Kazmark > -vin 3541 > www.geocities.com/dkazmark
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:43:47 -0500 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <803cmq$4iod(AT)eGroups.com> <3826D9D1.617A(AT)flash.net> Subject: [DML] Re: Dyno Day Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Various DeLorean Magazines? On only know of the DOA publication. Does that mean only DOA members will be able to view your test results?
And of course, When?
Robert Brandys wrote: > > Dyno day was a huge success. We learned a ton of information about > upgrading DeLorean performance. All of this will appear in a future > article for the various DeLorean magazines. > ><SNIP>
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 05:55:06 -0800 From: raynet(AT)home.net In-Reply-To: <807o0o$e6lq(AT)eGroups.com> Subject: [DML] Re: need part number Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I found very close replacements at NAPA. The only modification I had to do was to cut the circular portion at the bottom because they are not designed to twist into the holes on the headliner panel like the old ones. Other than that, they hold perfectly. I wish I had the original part number from when I bought them, but unfortunatly because they were so cheap I just thew out the reciept.
To see a rough drawing of the ones I got goto http://24.10.99.77/images/linerclips.jpg
They should be able to match that up if you bring that to NAPA
Raymond McKay
delorean50-(AT)excite.com wrote: original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=4489 > could someone (james or DMC Joe) tell me the part number for the pins > that keep the headliners up. someone earlier refered to them as "fir > tree pins". I need a bunch of them. for the headliners AND the door. > former owner used shims to keep thing together....dumb (AT)$$! > > Erik Geerdink > 4512 >
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 05:56:32 -0800 From: delorean502(AT)excite.com Subject: [DML] parts car Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Does anybody have a reasonably priced parts car for sale? something with front end damage or side damage? as long as the whole thing isn't one big squished tin can.
Erik Geerdink 4512
WOW,,,this post might actually be the 4512 post to the DML...wouldn't that be cool!
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 05:59:19 -0800 From: delorean502(AT)excite.com Subject: [DML] interior Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
This may be a really stupid question, but who made the interior parts to the Delorean? Are those "models" or blueprints used to make the interior pieces still around? If so...who has them? Where the seats from another car or where they Delorean original? like i said...stupid question, but this will give me more knowledge of my car...thats what I'm all about!
Erik 4512
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:06:39 -0600 From: Robert Brandys <oehcs(AT)flash.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <D1471D59E7F6D011A2E10000C06B5BD63036C8(AT)ntordsrv> Subject: [DML] Re: Insurance Carriers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Try CNA and Nationwide
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:18:18 -0600 From: Robert Brandys <oehcs(AT)flash.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <199911070524.WAA26065(AT)cmn.net> Subject: [DML] Re: Re:Chevy V-8 Delorean Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
The DML reported that Darryl Tinnerstat
Has a chevy V-8 Delorean that is possible supercharged. Could Darryl please contact me regarding the dyno day testing results comparison.
Bob
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 09:02:30 -0500 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <006b01bf2a38$8e8fff00$6150bdc3(AT)alpha5000> Subject: [DML] Re: Bi Turbo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I doubt the D1 kit is anything like the planned 1984 Turbo Delorean. (I have not seen it myself) Most of the turbo kits simply add some turbos to the regular DMC engine. The "Legend" turbo prototype had many modifications to the internals of the engine. Some of the details have been discussed before, check the archives.
DMC-80 has also been discussed many times. There is a picture in the vault. Do you have any new information on this?
> Stefan Blöchl wrote: > > Dear Group, > I´ve a 82 Delorean with a bi turbo engine (turbo kit by deloreanone). > As much as I knew JZD developed also a biturbo. Somebody told me today > that the d1 kit would be the result of JZD´s developement, is this > true? > > Steve Bloechl > > I´ve a gift for all of you the dmc - 80 (can you all remember to JZD´s > dream whitch three things he wanted to built?)
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Wed, 10 Nov 99 10:00:02 -0500 From: Kelvin <mason_k(AT)wvwc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Blue Prints Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>I checked out the prototype with the SS frame pic on the web in the vault, >but I was wondering if that was the blue print they went with. If it wasn't, >can somebody please send me it as a file? Thanks!
The illustration used in the SS brochure is not actually a blue print. It has no real technical qualities whatsoever. Its a pretty picture designed to make you think sophisticated technical thoughts but it does not convey any acurate information about what the car is like in the way real technical drawings do.
With that said; I too am still looking for good tech drawings or blueprints of the D with no success. Any help would be appreciated.
Kelvin
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Grimsrud, Knut S" <knut.s.grimsrud(AT)intel.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 07:35:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] New DeLorean production chronology analysis available Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I have updated my DMC production chronology analysis with all the new data that has become available as a result of the recently issued DOD as well as the data submitted over the last period to the survey (plus some additional data obtained from other trusted sources). You can find the chronology analysis writeup on www.dmcnews.com (there is a link at the bottom of the front page).
The chronology analysis is an attempt to address some of the long outstanding questions regarding the number of cars manufactured plus the mix of interior colors and transmission types produced. It also examines the production rate over the entire production period as well as a few other interesting statistics. The analysis is based on the DOD survey data collected from www.dmcnews.com and uses well known statistical methods to estimate the characteristics of the entire DMC "population" based on the sample subset.
The survey data used for the analysis is inconsistent with the commonly reported number of 8583 cars being manufactured, and the sample size is sufficient for a high degree of certainty. I would be very interested in knowing the source of the commonly reported figure, as I have been unable to find the source from which this figure has been derived.
If you have suggestions for other statistically robust analysis techniques or have recommendations for areas of improvement, I always welcome suggestions. The best way to improve the accuracy of the analysis is to improve the accuracy and sample size for the data used in the analysis. I will periodically revisit and update the analysis as additional data becomes available from the survey and DOD.
Knut
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 07:48:27 -0800 From: mnoeltne(AT)ezl.com In-Reply-To: <0.c1a0b744.2558c602(AT)aol.com> Subject: [DML] Re: Insurance Carriers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Insurance has been discussed on the list many other times. These same things keep popping up.
Keep in mind that Insurance companies are regulated by STATE agencies, not the Federal government. This means, that while a particular insurance company, say GEICO, will insure a certain car in one state, they may not in another due to state laws that don't allow them to limit liabilities.
Even in the same state there will be SOME variation just between agents. In the State Farm case that Jonathon Heslop mentioned in another post, he is having trouble getting State Farm coverage with no mileage limits in the state of Illinois. Others of us, myself included, had no problems with this, also in the state of Illinois. I think that this type of thing is just a matter of the agent knowing what sorts of non-standard coverages are really out there. My guess is that Jonathan's agent just isn't aware of someof these special policies. Mine is a stated value classic car policy, I can't use it as primary car, but I have no stated mileage limits.
My main point for this post is that it's fruitless to discuss insurance coverage which is highly regional in nature on an international mailing list. The majority of the answers you get just won't apply to the area you live in.
Mark N VIN 6820
dmc552-(AT)aol.com wrote: <snip> << Geico will not insure the DeLorean. >> > <snip> > I don't quite understand this
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ In-Reply-To: <807o0o$e6lq(AT)eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:24:40 -0500 From: James Espey <james(AT)usadmc.com> Subject: [DML] Re: fir tree part number Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
SP10671 is what we use.
James Espey DeLorean Motor Company Houston, Texas
281/568-9573 800/USA-DMC1 http://www.usadmc.com
At 6:57 PM -0500 11/8/99, delorean502(AT)excite.com wrote: >could someone (james or DMC Joe) tell me the part number for the pins >that keep the headliners up. someone earlier refered to them as "fir >tree pins". I need a bunch of them. for the headliners AND the door. >former owner used shims to keep thing together....dumb (AT)$$! > >Erik Geerdink >4512
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: PaulF52093(AT)aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:29:17 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Insurance Carriers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Dear Richard -- GEICO was about to cancel my policy when I bought my DeLorean (new) in 1983 from the Consolidated "fleet" in Columbus. I reminded them that I had been a policyholder with them since 1966, and they relented. Then they couldn't figure out what to charge me, and I wound up getting excellent coverage for rates befitting a small Toyota (NOT that I complained!) I've had no problems with GEICO (which also insures a Saab for me) and the rates are as reasonable as any I've ever seen.
The bottom line: GEICO does insure D's ... but not without a battle. Maybe you should try again. Another ploy: get statistics from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety regarding claims history forn the DeLorean marque. It's a pain, but I'd bet you'd find a much better claims record than for other cars, and that might do the trick for you. It helped in my case, although that's many years ago.
Good luck!
Paul Feine # 10944
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Chip Shirek" <cshirek(AT)mail.deipro.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:55:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: COOLANT OVERFLOW Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
is it just me. or is my delorean the only one without a coolant overflow container. Is it supposed to? I used to have some overheating problems, and whenever my coolant got too hot, it would just drain to the street. Ive seen many deloreans and never thought to check that out.
cs vin 1230
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 14:56:28 -0500 From: Mike Substelny <msubstel(AT)lorainccc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Expect a Great Time at Cleveland 2000 Show Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Ken Koncelik has asked the DCO to cook up some driving events for his 2000 DeLorean Car Show in Cleveland. If you are like me and have a non-concours DeLorean, these events will give you an excellent reason to bring your daily-driver to Cleveland.
My wife Patti and I are already working on it, and I guarantee that anyone who makes the Thursday night Flats Dinner Drive and / or the Friday morning Driving Tour & Rally will have a wonderful time. We have a very scenic course plotted that contains lots of good, free stuff. A tentative list appears below.
By coincidence, the Places Rated Almanac just came out with its annual report, and Cleveland came in as the second best city to visit for recreation! New Orleans came in first place. For details, go to this URL:
http://www.cleveland.com:80/news/pdnews/metro/3c09rec.ssf
We will try to take best advantage of many of the amenities listed by the Almanac for our DeLorean enthusiast visitors next year. Many excellent places are already a part of Ken's Car Show (Rock Hall, Science Center, Crawford Auto Museum, Lake Cruise, etc.).
Thursday night's Dinner Drive will show you Public Square and The Flats. Below is a tentative list of features for Friday Morning's Driving Tour.
Sights you will see: Edgewater Park Beach The Emerald Necklace Park Shaker Lakes Cleveland Cultural Gardens Lakefront State Park Cleveland Museum of Art (we could stop here if people request it) Cleveland Museum of Natural History Fairmount Historic District Drew Carey's TV House Various historic locations significant to classic automobile enthusiasts
DeLorean Cadillac (founded by JZD's brother)
Places you will visit: NASA Lewis Visitor's Center The Shaker Museum Coventry Village Shopping Center President Garfield Memorial
You will have lunch at: The 100th Bomb Group (WWII aviation theme restraunt)
Except for lunch, everything on the driving tour is free. If anyone has any requests of sights or stops to include on the tour, please contact me by private E-mail.
If you have comments to share with the whole DML, please DO NOT include this entire long message as a quote!
- Mike Substelny
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:12:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: bettycat(AT)t-online.de (Dirk Wacker) Subject: [DML] oil pressure gauge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi :) I have some problems with my oil pressure gauge. When the engine was = running the gauge always shows "12 o=B4clock" . I replaced the two oil = pressure sensors but the result is doubtful. Now the gauge always shows = "1o=B4clock" and there is no change at all. When the engine is off the = gauge always returns to zero. Any ideas ?
Thanks and Bye
Dirk (VIN# 6795)
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 12:54:28 -0800 From: delorean502(AT)excite.com Subject: [DML] DMC training Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I looked in the archives but didn't find anything. What did it take for a mechanic back in 1981 to become Delorean certified? Are these books still around today for a guy like me to purchase as reference tools?
Erik 4512
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Jonathan Heslop" <gatewayaag(AT)mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:09:06 -0600 Subject: [DML] Re: Cooling system Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Yes, the coolant system MUST be bled. On the night of the St. Louis Expo's banquet, my car lost the belt to the alternator, overheated, and blew the main hose from the bottle.
I repaired the belt and refilled the coolant system. The next day the car started to overheat again after only a few miles of driving. To get it home I kept shutting off the engine and letting it coast down hills. I spent 45 minutes bleeding it before I got all the air out.
I installed the self bleeding system mentioned in the FAQ section. Works great!! I drilled trough a bleeder screw instead of the trying to find a barbed hose insert. I had enough trouble getting a metal tee-fitting. So far the system works great.
While you at it, check the hose that goes off the cap of the overflow bottle. Mine was really short and would shoot antifreeze everywhere when it got to hot. I put a longer chunk of it on. It's high enough that it won't show, but low enough that the coolant will land on the pavement and nothing else.
--Jonathan #000697
-----Original Message----- From: BurkePhoto(AT)aol.com <BurkePhoto(AT)aol.com> To: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com <dmcnews(AT)egroups.com> Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 12:43 AM Subject: [DML] Re: Cooling system
>In a message dated 11/8/99 5:19:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, >Reggie_Knowlton(AT)vapower.com writes: > ><< The cooling system will purge the air as it heats up, this is why you have >an > overflow cannister, the cooling system will expend the trapped air in the > system as the engine heats up the trapped air will go into the cannister as >the > radiator cap opens due to the thermal element within and as the system cools >it > will draw needed coolant back into the system. This is called a closed >cooling > system. >> > >The cooling system should always be bled after system repairs, i.e., hose >replacement etc. Bleed screw is located above water pump (see manual). Slip >a clear plastic hose over the screw with the other end submerged in container >of coolant. With engine running, open screw after thermostat has opened and >purge until no more air exits, close screw. > >Burke
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Ralf Philipp" <phi(AT)nikocity.de> References: <19991109031759.NUAO11272(AT)delorean> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:15:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Wiring Diagram Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Dear list,
many of the components in the wiring diagram in the workshop manual are easy to identify, like the battery or the radio. But there are also many which I cannot recognize.
- Does anyone have a complete list of the components with their respective numbers? - If yes, could you send it to me? Thanks in advance!
Ralf VIN 10284
philipp(AT)mindless.com
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J.,
I just installed a K&N filter in my D. The number is (NM33-2002). You must install it UPSIDE DOWN but it works great.
Bill Lane vin 3635
jrobbins(AT)brit.ca wrote:
> Does anyone know the proper K&N air filter number for the DMC12? > > It took me 2 days to find a replacement air filter for my DMC12, so I > don't really ever want to go through that again. In my neck of the > woods (Canada), it is painful to find the original replacement air > filter. > > Does the K&N replace the airbox altogether or does it simply replace > just the air filter? > > Anyone have one? > > Please reply here and to jrobbins(AT)brit.ca > > Best regards, > > J. Robbins > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: > www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: > moderator(AT)dmcnews.com > > -- eGroup Home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?m=1 > -- Free email groups at eGroups.com
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: WINGD2(AT)aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:00:55 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: COOLANT OVERFLOW Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
In a message dated 11/9/99 4:53:23 PM Central Standard Time, cshirek(AT)mail.deipro.com writes:
<< is it just me. or is my delorean the only one without a coolant overflow container. Is it supposed to? >>
Chip, Your car is just like all the others. The Delorean does not have an overflow container. A small bit of trivia : Guess who owns the patent rights to the coolant overflow container ? JZD himself !
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Ian Foster" <ian(AT)netvigator.com> References: <80996g$bqjc(AT)eGroups.com> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:00:48 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: parts car Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Erik and DMLers,
I have a disassembled parts car! I have an auto engine and trans for sale (28k miles, service records from DMC Houston) plus a load of other stuff if anyone is interested. I don't want to the sell interior items as I may be getting a project manual D to restore.
Cheers, IAN ******************** ----- Original Message ----- From: <delorean502(AT)excite.com> > Does anybody have a reasonably priced parts car for sale? something > with front end damage or side damage? as long as the whole thing isn't > one big squished tin can. > > Erik Geerdink > 4512 > > WOW,,,this post might actually be the 4512 post to the DML...wouldn't > that be cool! >
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 23:52:27 +0000 From: Martin Gutkowski <martin.is(AT)connect-2.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] NEC Car show/DOC Site Update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Dear All,
Well, what with sifting through all my photos and updating the website, I now settle down to write my report on the International Classic Motor Show this past weekend at the Birmingham NEC. Firstly, I'll tell you what's new on the website
There are LOADS of photos of some GREAT cars on our fantastic stand at the show, and I have created a new page dedicated to the Euro-spec cars and their associated conversions. Club Gallery and Members cars are as usual the main pages to change.
The DeLorean Owners Club Uk had the largest stand we've ever had at this show and we certainly did the marque justice! We also won 2nd place in the Best Stand competition - credit to Dave and Chris.
We had seven cars on display, and I will list them here:
Factory right-hand manual owned by the Hoopers
Factory Right-hand Auto owned by Chris Parnham
THE OTHER factory right-hand Auto owned by Chris Parnham, decorated with BTTF parephanalia incl lit flux capacitor, time circuits and engine "vents".
Mark Bourne's pristine Left-hander in centre stage on blocks, with Sony Minidisc stereo blaring out various recording samples from Back to the Future.
Stuart Pennington's newly acquired left-hand manual (Jan '82)
Stuart's early '81 automatic with gas flap, still a work-in-progress.
Chris Parnham's newly acquired right-hand original with 4 MILES ON THE CLOCK.
The BTTF car and "Dusty" the recently rescued right hander were displayed in a "barn" setting to the left of the main stand. Dusty is a truly remarkable car. Covered in grime from where she has stood for the past 16 years, Dusty was bought 4 weeks ago by Chris who wanted to display her in the dirty condition before cleaning her (now polished like a new penny!). Dusty has no windscreen wipers, they were never fitted at the factory! She also has the US spec rear taillight cluster - they hadn't got around to changing that! Chris was kind enough to let me start her up after the two-day show and she idles beautifully. Mark managed to burn the clutch when reversing her onto the trailer at the end of the show...:o)
All-in-all the stand was a massive success. We attracted LOADS of punters, and met a lot of great people. I got into an argument with one gentleman who told me that the DeLorean is just a copy of the Bricklin. I disagreed, and eventually agreed that apart from being a two-seater, rear-engined car with gullwing doors, they were totally different (I told him about the differing door mechanisms)
Strangely enough, no-one mentioned The Car's The Star at all.
As they say "a picture paints a thousand words" - well, there are stacks of new images on the website. So I'll shut up,
Best Wishes,
Martin DeLorean Owners Club UK http://www.delorean.co.uk
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway(AT)hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 16:39:02 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] DeLorean Vendors Use of Stainless Screws? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hello all,
I've noticed that all DeLoreans were originally equipped with screws that eventually will corrode/rust. This little irritating observation lead me to ask the following question:
Which of the DeLorean Vendors (DMC Houston, PJ Grady, D1) uses new stainless steel screws if you order screws along with your parts order?
All three? Some?
Or does all three still use regular screws?
Its really ridiculous that the car originally came with screws that eventually will rust. Many screws on the car are black but underneath the screws are regular (Read: rusty)
Best wishes Stian Birkeland NORWAY
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ In-Reply-To: <4148FEAAD879D311AC5700A0C969E8901681EF(AT)orsmsx35.jf.intel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:23:28 -0500 From: James Espey <james(AT)usadmc.com> Subject: [DML] Re: New DeLorean production chronology analysis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Knut has put forth a tremendous effort in analyzing the data on the production, and it's only through efforts like his that this data will ever be known. I would imagine that all the production records have long since been destroyed (Robert Lamrock, any insights?) and the factory staff's memories have long since faded.
It appears that the rarest combination of year/trans/color is the 1982 black automatic - anyone have one of those?
Thanks Knut!
James
At 10:35 AM -0500 11/9/99, Grimsrud, Knut S wrote: >I have updated my DMC production chronology analysis with all the new data >that has become available as a result of the recently issued DOD as well as >the data submitted over the last period to the survey (plus some additional >data obtained from other trusted sources). You can find the chronology >analysis writeup on www.dmcnews.com (there is a link at the bottom of the >front page). > (SNIP) > > Knut
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)att.net> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:16:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: need part number Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
The fasteners, called fir tree's are part # SP10671.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
---------- > From: delorean502(AT)excite.com > > could someone (james or DMC Joe) tell me the part number for the pins > that keep the headliners up. someone earlier refered to them as "fir > tree pins". I need a bunch of them. for the headliners AND the door. > former owner used shims to keep thing together....dumb (AT)$$! > > Erik Geerdink > 4512
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)att.net> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:10:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Need shocks, Don't want Girlings Question!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Odd as it may sound we have found that the original Girling shocks are in the same durability category as the CV joint boots. The rubber in these components is a very high grade that resists age related problems like stiffening and or cracking. Most DeLoreans, including mine at 260K miles, are still equipped with the factory installed shock absorbers and CV joints. So go ahead and purchase the Girlings, you will be glad you did.
We also know of no reliable replacement for the factory installed shocks.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
---------- From: Chris Coplen <Chris.Coplen(AT)ix.netcom.com>
Calling around, it has been made clear to me that there are no new front shock absorbers available other than original vintage Girlings that have been on a shelf since 1983.
Is this true? Are there not other shocks available than these? I don't want to buy a set of brand new 20 year old shock absorbers. I checked Houston and Grady, they have the same part number.
Help!
Chris
BTW: my passenger front shock sheared off it's top and wore a large hole in the shock tower on the frame.
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I have published a complete explanation of the design, operation, and associated problems in the door lock system. To save you time here is the direct link to this page which now appears at our website. Go to:http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Flats/3755/doorlock.html
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: DeLorean31(AT)aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:06:53 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Vendors Use of Stainless Screws? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
In a message dated 11/9/99 8:23:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, dmc_norway(AT)hotmail.com writes:
<< Which of the DeLorean Vendors (DMC Houston, PJ Grady, D1) uses new stainless steel screws if you order screws along with your parts order? >>
I have the Stainless Steel screw set PJ Grady's sells for the exterior screws to solve this very problem. Makes the car look 100% better
Gary
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)att.net> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:59:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: interior Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
All of the interior parts were manufactured by DeLorean Motor Company. The only outsourcing was for the seat leather skins which were manufactured by Bridge Of Weir, England.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
---------- > From: delorean502(AT)excite.com > > This may be a really stupid question, but who made the interior parts > to the Delorean? Are those "models" or blueprints used to make the > interior pieces still around? If so...who has them? Where the seats > from another car or where they Delorean original? like i said...stupid > question, but this will give me more knowledge of my car...thats what > I'm all about! > > Erik > 4512
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)att.net> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:18:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: Wiring Diagram Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Ralf, You must have a page missing in your manual. The schematic diagram has a component chart that goes along with it. Email us directly for a copy.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
---------- > From: Ralf Philipp <phi(AT)nikocity.de> > > Dear list, > > many of the components in the wiring diagram in the workshop manual are easy > to identify, like the battery or the radio. But there are also many which I > cannot recognize. > > - Does anyone have a complete list of the components with their respective > numbers? > - If yes, could you send it to me? Thanks in advance! > > > Ralf > VIN 10284 > > philipp(AT)mindless.com
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Dave Swingle" <dswingle(AT)enteract.com> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 21:21:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] re: Stainless Screws Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Stian wrote: >Its really ridiculous that the car originally came with screws that >eventually will rust. Many screws on the car are black but underneath the >screws are regular (Read: rusty)
During all of the rebuilding that I have done, primarily around the front end, I have been replacing most of the hardware with stainless equivalents. I've been able to buy 95% of it from the local Ace Hardware store. There were a few odd parts (gas tank closing plate screws for one) I had to get from an outfit you can reach at www.totallystainless.com . Totally Stainless is primarily aimed at the hot-rod-builder trade, but the guy on the phone was somewhat amused at what I was buying all this stainless hardware for.
3 THINGS to be careful of:
1 - Any stainless hardware that you screw into aluminum (like all of the body rivnuts) MUST be coated with anti-sieze compound if you EVER expect to get it apart again. SS and AL form a great chemical weld after a period of exposure to moisture. This is actually good practice for most all fasteners with a few exceptions.
2 - If you start changing load-bearing items like suspension bolts, be sure to maintain the strength rating of the bolts. Most hardware store fasteners are not particularly heavy duty.
3 - Many of the screws on the DeLorean use Nyloc nuts. Do not replace these with plain nuts. Nyloc nuts are also available in stainless.
Totally Stainless has a great catalog available that goes through these and other issues.
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "mike(AT)mrcopies.com" <mrcopies(AT)jet2.net> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:25:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Vendors Use of Stainless Screws? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi Stian!
Wow...you are preaching to the choir!! I agree 100%. DMC Joe sells a stainless steel screw kit which features all the external screws you need pre-packaged/portioned. - and at a super reasonable price. I'd recommend it highly.
Other than that...consider purchasing a Dremmel (rotary cutting tool)...it comes in handy for those seized up, rusted shut, just plain stuck screws and bolts.
Cheers, mike(AT)mrcopies.com VIN #17089 Windsor, Ontario
-----Original Message----- From: Stian Birkeland <dmc_norway(AT)hotmail.com> To: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com <dmcnews(AT)egroups.com> Date: November 9, 1999 7:16 PM Subject: [DML] DeLorean Vendors Use of Stainless Screws?
> >Which of the DeLorean Vendors (DMC Houston, PJ Grady, D1) uses new stainless >steel screws if you order screws along with your parts order? > >
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:28:51 -0800 From: jperkins(AT)carolina.rr.com Subject: [DML] So what are the 0-60 times? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I have to admit, the suspense is killing me (OK not literally). Dyno day has baited us with a superchager, ?Twin? Turbo, and V8. I would love to know what the 0-60 times are for these 3 D's.
Also *realistically* what have other owners achieved from their D's? 0-60 that is. For a base V6 that puts out about 130hp, it seems that owners are breaking the 7 second barrier. Dare we have any owners that have breaked the 5-6 second barrier without having to drop a new engine, and trans into the D?
Personally as a D owner looking for more 0-60 power for the buck (sorry no new engines here), I'm just curious to hear other owners provide their responses.....and stories.
Jason Perkins NC- Vin #16665
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