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4539. DMC Joe                   Re: DeLorean Vendors Use of Stainless Screws?
4540. Deloreanernst(AT)aol.com     Re: dmcnews digest
4541. DeLorean31(AT)aol.com        DeLorean Estate Auction Today
4542. Mike Atkinson             Re: parts car
4543. Nick Ryan                 Re: DeLorean Blue Prints
4544. Lee                       Re: Keys...Keys...and more Keys...
4545. Marc A Levy               DOD and DeLorean production chronology analysis
4546. Richard Cutter            Re: Insurance Carriers
4547. Dave Tyler                Muffler System
4548. Robert Brandys            Re: So what are the 0-60 times?
4549. Stian Birkeland           High Import Tax in Canada? Look to Norway (not)
4550. magriese(AT)us.ibm.com       Re: DeLorean Vendors Use of Stainless Screws?
4551. jordang(AT)wf.quik.com       Insurance
4552. Stian Birkeland           DeLorean Quality
4553. Jason Mcclure             Re: dmcnews digest
4554. ASA                       Please Advise
4555. SteveDMC                  Strawberry Festival and Louisianna Owners
4556. James Espey               DeLorean memorabilia collection for sale
4557. Robert Brandys            Re: So what are the 0-60 times?
4558. DeLorean31(AT)aol.com        Re: Insurance Carriers
4559. DMC83in99(AT)aol.com         Re: Muffler System
4560. James Espey               DOD ch-ch-changes
4561. GFesta5(AT)aol.com           Delorean Floriad Events?
4562. BondAtomic(AT)aol.com        All you AOL members-this is worth looking at!
4563. Ann & Ed Thompson         Re: So what are the 0-60 times?
4564. ToniLFHS98(AT)aol.com        Re: dmcnews digest
4565. Grimsrud, Knut S          Updating the chronology raw data page
4566. Michael Reinemuth         Re: So what are the 0-60 times?
4567. Doc                       Re: So what are the 0-60 times?
4568. Kevin Rawlings            John DeLorean's Address?
4569. delorean502(AT)excite.com    what is that?
4570. ROBLAMROCK(AT)aol.com        Re: New DeLorean production chronology analysis
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Stian, 
I am sure the other vendors will respond with information, in the mean time
here is our experience. We order all of our parts exclusively from PJ Grady
and DMC Houston. Both operations provide either factory original or
equivalent non stainless replacements. They do however, offer special
stainless steel fastener kits. The exterior lens screw kit and deflection
shield fastener kits are among stainless fastener products that they offer.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
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> From: Stian Birkeland <dmc_norway(AT)hotmail.com>
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I've noticed that all DeLoreans were originally equipped with screws that
> eventually will corrode/rust. This little irritating observation lead me
to 
> ask the following question:
> 
> Which of the DeLorean Vendors (DMC Houston, PJ Grady, D1) uses new
stainless 
> steel screws if you order screws along with your parts order?
> 
> All three? Some?
> 
> Or does all three still use regular screws?
> 
> Its really ridiculous that the car originally came with screws that 
> eventually will rust. Many screws on the car are black but underneath the
> screws are regular (Read: rusty)
> 
> Best wishes
> Stian Birkeland
> NORWAY

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In a message dated 11/8/99 10:32:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
virginia(AT)oldlineplastics.com writes:
<< the louvres are covered with stainless steel. >>
Virginia, your name came up on the list a few months ago about your ss 
louvers.  Where did you get them or were they specially made?
I know that "www.de-lorean-steel-products.purespace.de" (in Germany)  sells 
them for about $1000., but I wondwered if they were the only source.  I've 
never actually seen any "in the wild."  - Wayne
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Today's Asbury Park Press here in NJ had an article about DeLorean's Estate 
being auctioned today.  I have posted a picture of the article on my web site 
for those who would like to read it.  The link is below.
http://hometown.aol.com/DeLorean31/article.html
Gary Gore
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Ian,
Don't remember if I have e-mailed you before or not but I am looking for a
drivers side mirror and an airfilter box.  Do you have a list of parts
available.
Thanks
Mike Atkinson
mikeatk(AT)concentric.net
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> Erik and DMLers,
>
> I have a disassembled parts car! I have an auto engine and trans for sale
> (28k miles, service records from DMC Houston) plus a load of other stuff
if
> anyone is interested. I don't want to the sell interior items as I may be
> getting a project manual D to restore.
>
> Cheers,            IAN
> ********************
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> > Does anybody have a reasonably priced parts car for sale?  something
> > with front end damage or side damage?  as long as the whole thing isn't
> > one big squished tin can.
> >
> > Erik Geerdink
> > 4512
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> > that be cool!
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About four years ago, my Delorean overheated and I pulled in to get some =
water.
It was in a residential area in the south of Dublin, Ireland. I got some =
water in a kettle from
a small factory place, which only about two months before had shredded =
blueprints
and other DMC related documents. They are a company which stored and =
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stickers, of which he gave me some at the time. He explained that there =
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batch of stuff he had, to store until and then shred. I was just a little =
too late.
Nick VIN#16045
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>The illustration used in the SS brochure is not =
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>With that said; I too am still looking for good =
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>
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At 01:17 PM 10/31/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I have been reading alot of the e-mails with alot of different key code
>numbers in the e-mail.  I guess I missed the start of all of this, but
>I was able to get a key copied at a local locksmith here in San Diego. 
>He just used a standard Volvo key blank.  
>
>Is there any way that I can purchase an original key, or a replica of
>the original key- with the black plastic etc...  I purchased my car
>from the original owner and he had lost the original key! :-(
>
Yes!
Contact Lee Seiler at Lee(AT)radiance.com - he is a Delorean owner and
is the only person currently manufacturing replica DeLorean keys

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The analysis you have presented at ftp://dmcnews.com/pub/analysis.pdf is
great!  I was wondering if the raw data at
http://www.dmcnews.com/Resource/chronology.html has been updated with
the DOD data, or is this just a stale link?  Is the current raw data
available?

While on the DOD... When the directory started it was available for
download by anyone on the DOD list. Will it ever be again? 
I am not clear on how or why the DOD has changed over the past year or
so.  It went from a free on-line publication for the participants only,
to a list that can be viewed by anyone (a invasion of privacy) and a $5
charge for the complete printed copy (who is making money on the
distribution of my personal information?)  Frankly, this is not what I
signed up for. I see there is still a "DMC-News Members Only Lounge",
but is this still active and up to date?  (I dont remember the Password)
I would like to see the DOD return to how it was presented.  The option
of a printed copy for a small copy/mail charge should be made available,
but the "Listed Owners" page should be modified to include less
information.  
"Grimsrud, Knut S" wrote:
> 
> I have updated my DMC production chronology analysis with all the new data
> that has become available as a result of the recently issued DOD as well as
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Greetings from Colorado
I have several collector cars and have them insured through J.C. Taylor in 
Penn.  They advertise in Hemmings Motor News, available through most news 
stands.
They added my '81 to the others this Fall.  Their underwriting rules will 
allow them to insure collector cars up to '81 now, next year '82 etc....
The car must be a "collector" and yearly mileage kept low, also must be 
stored in a secured garage.
Rates are very low and company is highly rated
Rich Cutter
# 5467
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>Dear Richard -- GEICO was about to cancel my policy when I bought my 
>DeLorean
>(new) in 1983 from the Consolidated "fleet" in Columbus.  I reminded them
>that I had been a policyholder with them since 1966, and they relented.  
>Then
>they couldn't figure out what to charge me, and I wound up getting 
>excellent
>coverage for rates befitting a small Toyota (NOT that I complained!)  I've
>had no problems with GEICO (which also insures a Saab for me) and the rates
>are as reasonable as any I've ever seen.
>
>The bottom line:  GEICO does insure D's ... but not without a battle.  
>Maybe
>you should try again.  Another ploy:  get statistics from the Insurance
>Institute for Highway Safety regarding claims history forn the DeLorean
>marque.  It's a pain, but I'd bet you'd find a much better claims record 
>than
>for other cars, and that might do the trick for you.  It helped in my case,
>although that's many years ago.
>
>Good luck!
>
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Is there a muffler system on the market that can alter
my DMC to sound more muscle bound or throaty?
(Similar to the new V8 Camaro's and Firebirds)

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I'm working on the dyno data.  It is even more interesting than I
thought.  The torque of the turbocharged engine was fantastic,
especially at higher rpms.  The stick vs. automatic D.  The automatic 10
less ft/lb torque across the whole rpm range.  15 Less horsepower again
across the whole rpm range.  This is actually quite normal since there
are more losses in a automatic trans.  
The delorean ignition system falls apart at about 4,700 ON ALL CARS. We
think it is the coil.  The cars have the ability to go to 5,500 rpm
easily.  Since the distribution does not have points, it has to be the
coil.
Bob
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The Canadian import tax is nothing compared to the taxes in Norway...
to get a good DeLorean imported, taxed and registered you have to pay about 
$ 7,000 (!)
Calculation: Tax for the cars weight, kw, and ccm. VAT 23%, registration 
about $200,-
We often say "Look to Norway". This expression does certainly not apply when 
talking about Norwegian taxes...
The positive thing is when the car reaches 30 years old, the taxes are no 
more than $400,-
This also means that you must be out of your mind importing a DeLorean to 
Norway when the car is 29 years of age. Wait one year to achieve "classic 
status" and you save lots of $$$
Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY
>Actually, I had a friend ship a car to Germany and it cost FAR less
>than what it cost me to import a car from the US.  The Canadian
>government is insane with PST (8%), GST (7%) and duty (6.1%), plus the
>$2500 it cost me to ship it.
>
>Frigging Canada.
>
>J
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In some cases, stainless steel is not the correct material for
a fastener.  Stainless can't easily be painted, which means
any application that requires a black finish is difficult to achieve.
Stainless is brittle compared to other materials, which means
that any structural fastener or one that is subjected to vibration
should not be stainless.  Also, stainless hardware is not
all that cheap, particularly if you are worried about rust.  Some
lower cost grades of stainless will corrode eventually.
If you are interested in getting stainless fasteners for your car,
have a look at McMaster-Carr at http://www.mcmaster.com
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About two years I switched from State Farm to Progressive and saved a
lot, plus they were less concerned about my families driving record.
They took my Delorean without any problem.  They are one of the very
largest insurance carriers.  You can get it from a local agent or save
10% off the agents rate by calling direct to 800-228-6776

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Hello,
Many have questioned the quality of the DeLorean. The owners KNOW that the 
car is very solid built, and often the quality-questions boil down to the 
"little things". At the same time it is the little things that makes the car 
so fun to own and drive.
DeLorean enthusiasts - be assured - the DeLorean is an excellent sportscar.
On a related subject - Audi Roadster and Audi TT Cou péowners have now 
received a factory recall regarding the stabilizer bar and rear spoiler. 
Now, DeLorean had only one serious safety recall regarding the front 
suspension and balljoints. DeLorean was a new company, and had a new car. 
Audi has been an automanufacturer for a very long time. This shows that the 
unexpected will always be a part of the car industry...
PS! I now hear that the Jensen is about to rise again from the ashes. Now, 
when will the DeLorean get its well-deserved revival?
Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY
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I had a Delorean, but i sold it to but a 1975 Bricklin
SV1, It has a 351W with a FMX trans, i sold the
Delorean becouse it did not have a lot of power and
was hard to modify and make it go faster, but with The
Bricklin its very easy, you can look in any parts
magazine and find performance parts for it, my
Bricklin has cam lifters 4-barrel 750 CFM carb,
headers dual flowmasters, 235/60R/15 BFG's, shift kit
for the trans, ported and polished heads, it will run
high 12's and low 13's that is fast!  I liked the
gull-wing doors on the Delorean and that s one thing
that interesred me in the Bricklin,  E-mail me if you
want more information on the Bricklin. I have pictures
of it.

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Dear Sir/Madam,
   I'm interested in buying a number of spare parts of
my car DeLorean. I live in the Middle East region and
would like to ask if you know of any dealer and/or the
nearest to this region.
Thank you kindly for your speedy reply
Sincerely Yours,
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Greatings list,
Its been a while since i have posted anything about the Ponchatoula Strawbe=
rry Festival but i thought it might be a good idea to mention it again.  On=
ce a year in Ponchatoula, LA we have a festival that has something for ever=
yone in the family.
This festival starts off with a comunity parade featuring several floats an=
d local school bands.  I talked to a person who helps organize this festiva=
l and she would like to know if any DeLorean owners might be interested in =
being in the parade.
This could be a great way for us to organize a small little DeLorean get to=
gether and it would still be a family event where you could bring the wife =
and kids along.
There is also the possibility of a car show and special parking priveledges=
 if anyone would like to participate.  The Ponchatoula Strawberry festival =
is one of the largest activities in the state of Louisianna.
If you would like to participate please send me an email and you can show y=
our support by contacting Kathryn Rinker.  You can call her and ask her abo=
ut the festival.  Call her at 504-386-2533.  Her pager # is 504-350-2073.
Thanks and please let me know as soon as possible if you would like to atte=
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Listed below are the contents of my DeLorean memorabilia collection that I
have amassed over the past several years. Rather than sell it on ebay,
where I could probably make a LOT more cash but go through far more hassle,
I'm offering it to the readers of the DML.
Everything should be self-explanatory. First-come, first served. I have
just one of each item in most cases. Check or money order only. Buyer pays
actual shipping costs plus insurance if desired. If payment not received
within 5 days, item goes back on list for re-sale. I didn't collect junk,
only excellent items. If it's not listed below, I don't have it or I'm not
selling it, so don't ask.
One side of a De Lorean Motor Company dealer sign (no lights) $700
Dealer Banner, two sided (like the one on ebay that just sold for $600+) $500
Rarest DeLorean poster (America's most talked about car!) $250
Complete Advertising Marketing Binder $200
Consumer Research Study in imprinted Binder $300
DMC Employee Necktie $150
DMCL Director Necktie (formerly owned by Director of Engineering Mike
Loasby) $300
August 1979 DeLorean Motor Company Newsletter $30
Fall 1980 DeLorean Motor Company Newsletter $30
Original (not repro) molded head key blank (why wait for Lee?) $40
Original lighted head key blank (Super Rare) $150
DeLorean Phone Card $30
DeLorean Collectors Plate (DOA item) $75
Set of DeLorean World Back Issues w/3 binders $200
ZEE Zylmex die-cast DeLorean "matchbox" car with opening doors, still on
blister card $40
Gold DMC Factory tie-tack $125
1981 Owners Manual, dealer listing, warranty, PDI form, with 81 style valet
$300
1982 Owners Manual, dealer listing, warranty, PDI form, with 82 style valet
$400
American Express catalog w/gold DeLorean & BONUS letter from C.R. Brown to
dealer about promotion $200
DMC Transporters handbook $50
DMC Factory Drivers License (blank) $25
DMC Factory patch, worn on employee coveralls $40
DMC Dealer List, one each of the three different varieties $75 sold as set only
DMC Postcards - horizontal layout (the common one) $5
DMC Postcards - vertical layout (the rare one) $50
Tri Fold (letter size) Brochure of sliding window prototype $10
Tri fold (folds out wide) brochure of production car (one each of both
variations) $40 set only
The big black brochure that everyone knows, 16 pages, foldouts, etc $20
The little alumnimum resin "looks like pewter" model $15
When it came to magazines, I sought out the unusual or otherwise hard to
find publications:
High Times - DeLorean: Was He Framed? (Feb 83) $30
Contemporary Christian 2-part interview with JZD (Oct and Nov 1984) $60
sold as set only
Contemporary Christian interview with Cristina Ferrare DeLorean (Apr 84)  $30
Sports Cars Illustrated - Gale Banks Twin Turbo Buick V-6 DeLorean (Apr 88) $15
Special Interest Autos (June 95) $5
Playboy - Twenty Questions with John DeLorean (1981) - $25
Look - JZD at GM, intro of Vega, photos of him w/2nd wife, Kelly Harmon
(Aug 25 '70)  $30
Bloomberg (Mar 98) $15
Pontiac Safari magazine - JZD as Chief Engineer (May-June 1965) $30
Classic and Sports Car - UK import (Mar 97) $10
Rolling Stone (Mar 17 81) $20
AutoWeek (Feb 11 80) $15
Los Angeles Daily News (insert from Dec 4 83) $10
Though not as interesting to me, I also have the "mainstream" magazines
available as well:
Time
  Nov 1 82 - $10
People
  Nov 29 1982 - $10
  Apr 16 1984 - $10
Motor Trend
  May 1981 - $10
Car and Driver
  June 1993 - $10
  October 1982 - $10
  July 1982 - $10
  May 1981 - $10
Road and Track
  December 81 - $10
  June 1981 - $10
  July 1977 - $10
Popular Mechanics
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On Dyno Day we got printouts of horsepower and torque curves verses
rpm.  However, we did not get the time verses horsepower and torque
curves.  I have requested these to get the 0 to 60 and beyond times. 
I should be able to get these by the middle of next week. The guy
(Charlie) who runs the dyno is out of town until then. As the saying
goes "Hurry up and wait."
I am trying to digest and graph the data as quickly as possible. 
Unfortunately, my son has taken ill and we are spending a great deal of
time at the doctors and hospital.  They do not know what is wrong with
him other than some virsus is damaging his kidneys and upper respiratory
cavities. 
Bob
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In a message dated 11/10/99 6:12:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dmc_power(AT)hotmail.com writes:
<< Greetings from Colorado
 
 I have several collector cars and have them insured through J.C. Taylor in 
 Penn.  They advertise in Hemmings Motor News, available through most news 
 stands.
 They added my '81 to the others this Fall.  Their underwriting rules will 
 allow them to insure collector cars up to '81 now, next year '82 etc....
 The car must be a "collector" and yearly mileage kept low, also must be 
 stored in a secured garage.
 
 Rates are very low and company is highly rated >>
I would just like to say I too use J.C. Taylor.  I have used them in the past 
with some other Antique cars I have owned.  They are excellent and as 
mentioned above, the DeLorean became eligible this month for their Antique 
Insurance policy.  I even had a Classic Car Appraiser  decalre my car at a 
value of 25,000.  They insured me fully at this value for my car for $380.00 
a year.  Cars must be 19 years old to be insured by them as Antique or 
Classic.  Check out www.jctaylor.com
Gary Gore
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Don't know if they make a muffler to fit, but Flowmaster has some great dual 
chamber mufflers that work great for other cars.
Scott
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I can only offer background of the DOD while I was responsible for it...so
for those who are new, here's the history...
A few years back, when the DOA decided they couldn't produce a member
directory, I started the DeLorean Owners Dirrectory (DOD). The only
criteria for being listed was you had to supply a valid VIN. The only way
you could get a copy was to be listed in it, too.
The first couple revisions of it were available in a password-protected
directory at the DMC-News website. I printed some copies for folks who did
not have an email address (and theoretically no web access) to facilitate
the folks who submitted their information via a regional club mailing.
The last printed edition was in May of 98, with some 400+ entries. De
Lorean Motor Company (Houston) helped pay for the printing of it and in
return I gave them an ad on the back cover.
When I handed the DML to Dave Swingle and the rest of the moderating team,
the DOC was placed in the hands of Ken Montgomery. Ken spent an ENORMOUS
amount of time updating the data, and entering in the new data. I
understand the DOD has nearly doubled in size now, and it's really a
monumental task to keep updated.
I'm sure Dave and ken will chime in with facts, but in St. Louis I heard
that there was some sort of technical problem keeping the DOD from being
posted in the "lounge".
No one, NO ONE, is doing this as a money-making venture. A quantity of
current DOD's was printed (with no subsidizing by DMC this time, though it
was offered) and the nominal charge for a printed copy is simply to cover
the expense of printing and mailing.
James
At 9:24 AM -0500 11/10/99, Marc A Levy wrote:
(SNIP)
>
>While on the DOD... When the directory started it was available for
>download by anyone on the DOD list. Will it ever be again?
>
>I am not clear on how or why the DOD has changed over the past year or
>so.  It went from a free on-line publication for the participants only,
>to a list that can be viewed by anyone (a invasion of privacy) and a $5
>charge for the complete printed copy (who is making money on the
>distribution of my personal information?)  Frankly, this is not what I
>signed up for. I see there is still a "DMC-News Members Only Lounge",
>but is this still active and up to date?  (I dont remember the Password)
>
>I would like to see the DOD return to how it was presented.  The option
>of a printed copy for a small copy/mail charge should be made available,
>but the "Listed Owners" page should be modified to include less
>information.
>


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I live in England and am going on vaction to Orlando, Florida soon. I was 
wondering if anyone on the list knows of any Delorean events that are due to 
take place over the next 4 weeks.
Thank you kindly.
Scott
England
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Dear Members, 
All you members of AOL, I suggest you check out Keyword: Wheels. It has 
details on how to win a DeLorean!
John Feldman
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> Robert Brandys wrote:
> 
> The delorean ignition system falls apart at about 4,700 ON ALL CARS. We
> think it is the coil.  The cars have the ability to go to 5,500 rpm
> easily.  Since the distribution does not have points, it has to be the
> coil.
Bob, would you explain where exactly you got your information?
According to extensive road tests on a stock factory DeLorean as reported
by "Road & Track" magazine they found the following:
1st gear:  6500 rpm - 40 MPH (no ignition problems so far)
2nd gear:  6500 rpm - 64 MPH (still no ignition problems) 
3rd gear:  6500 rpm - 98 MPH  (near peak of the torque range, still no ignition problems)
4th gear:  5600 rpm - 109 MPH (torque falls apart here)
5th gear:  4400 rpm - 109 MPH  (top achievable speed - torque gave out already,
unable to push the car beyond 109 MPH, but still no ignition problems)
It appears obvious to me that if the stock original DeLorean had been fitted with
an engine with a little more HP and torque it could have easily achieved the touted
130+ MPH.  As it is, it appears that, as stock, the scientific test results as 
reported by "Road & Track" are more realistic than the "dreamers" want to believe.
Regards,
Ed Thompson (believed to be somewhat of a "realist" and a D owner/driver since 1982)
Midlothian, VA
USA
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Does anyone has a picture of the SS louvers????
Bill
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Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> wrote:
> The analysis you have presented at ftp://dmcnews.com/pub/analysis.pdf
> is great!  I was wondering if the raw data at
> http://www.dmcnews.com/Resource/chronology.html has been updated
> with the DOD data, or is this just a stale link?  Is the current raw
> data available?
Thanks for your compliments on the analysis. The raw data at the link you
indicate is indeed stale and I am expecting to update it (hopefully over the
weekend).
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Hello Ed, I disagree with that.
I live here in Germany and own a factory stock DeLorean. Maybe you know we had no speed limit
on german Highways (called "Autobahn"). So I can drive my car at top speed when ever I want
it. Now I have to say my car reaches 210km/h without a problem, with good conditions (free
road, a little wind from the back) the car reaches 220km/h (stopped, not taken from the
odometer).
Sure the DeLorean isn´t a fast car (here in germany beaten by near every small family car),
but it is even faster as reported by "Road & Track".
Ann & Ed Thompson schrieb:
> According to extensive road tests on a stock factory DeLorean as reported
> by "Road & Track" magazine they found the following:
>
> 1st gear:  6500 rpm - 40 MPH (no ignition problems so far)
> 2nd gear:  6500 rpm - 64 MPH (still no ignition problems)
> 3rd gear:  6500 rpm - 98 MPH  (near peak of the torque range, still no ignition problems)
> 4th gear:  5600 rpm - 109 MPH (torque falls apart here)
> 5th gear:  4400 rpm - 109 MPH  (top achievable speed - torque gave out already,
> unable to push the car beyond 109 MPH, but still no ignition problems)
>
> It appears obvious to me that if the stock original DeLorean had been fitted with
> an engine with a little more HP and torque it could have easily achieved the touted
> 130+ MPH.  As it is, it appears that, as stock, the scientific test results as
> reported by "Road & Track" are more realistic than the "dreamers" want to believe.
>
> Regards,
> Ed Thompson (believed to be somewhat of a "realist" and a D owner/driver since 1982)
> Midlothian, VA
> USA
--
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> > Robert Brandys wrote:
> >
> > The delorean ignition system falls apart at about 4,700 ON ALL CARS. We
> > think it is the coil.  The cars have the ability to go to 5,500 rpm
> > easily.  Since the distribution does not have points, it has to be the
> > coil.
>
> Bob, would you explain where exactly you got your information?
>
> According to extensive road tests on a stock factory DeLorean as reported
> by "Road & Track" magazine they found the following:
>
> 1st gear:  6500 rpm - 40 MPH (no ignition problems so far)
> 2nd gear:  6500 rpm - 64 MPH (still no ignition problems)
> 3rd gear:  6500 rpm - 98 MPH  (near peak of the torque range, still no
ignition problems)
> 4th gear:  5600 rpm - 109 MPH (torque falls apart here)
> 5th gear:  4400 rpm - 109 MPH  (top achievable speed - torque gave out
already,
> unable to push the car beyond 109 MPH, but still no ignition problems)
>
> It appears obvious to me that if the stock original DeLorean had been
fitted with
> an engine with a little more HP and torque it could have easily achieved
the touted
> 130+ MPH.  As it is, it appears that, as stock, the scientific test
results as
> reported by "Road & Track" are more realistic than the "dreamers" want to
believe.
>
> Regards,
> Ed
In the same Road and Track story they report and I quote "The V-6 revs
freely up to about 5500-6000 rpm, but it feels increasingly strained as the
revs rise and is not eager to go all the way to the 6500-rpm redline."
So just maybe Robert, is onto something here.
Robert Starling
Vin#5252





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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:05:11 EST
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Hello DMLers,
  I was wondering if any of you have John Delorean's address, I have tried 
to send a letter to him twice, one to an address in New York, and the other 
to Far Hills, New Jersey.  Both were returned to me with different 
complaints from the Postal Service.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
Kevin Rawlings
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Subject: [DML] what is that?
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behind the passanger seat under the carpet on the shelf is the fuse box
area...whats the stuff in the same place, but behind the drivers seat? 
thanks
Erik Geerdink
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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:41:16 EST
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Subject: [DML] Re: New DeLorean production chronology analysis
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In a message dated 11/10/1999 4:05:44 AM GMT Standard Time, james(AT)usadmc.com 
writes:
> I would imagine that all the production records have long since
>  been destroyed (Robert Lamrock, any insights?) and the factory staff's
>  memories have long since faded.
There are usefuls scraps of information recorded in various sources; for 
example the UK government Committee of Public Accounts which investigated the 
whole thing states;
"...sales of cars to 31 January 1982 were:- 
           cars produced                8,333
           cars shipped to USA       7,401
           cars sold to dealers        5,114
           retail sales by dealers     3,347  "
Best wishes,
Robert Lamrock
Belfast
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