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----------------------------------------------------------------- 4571. Martin Gutkowski Re: So what are the 0-60 times? 4572. Ann & Ed Thompson Re: So what are the 0-60 times? 4573. Christopher Hawes Re: So what are the 0-60 times? 4574. Ian Foster DMC Owners meet in HongKong. 4575. Stian Birkeland 8583? No way, but maybe in the USA! 4576. Tom Niemczewski Re: High Import Tax in Canada? Look to Norway (no 4577. Amazinrick@aol.com Oh please... :) 4578. Montgomery, Ken Re: DOD and DeLorean production chronology analys 4579. Bob Brandys Re: So what are the 0-60 times? 4580. Richard Cutter Re: High Import Tax in Canada? Look to Norway (no 4581. Sean Howley Death of a DeLorean 4582. DeLorean31@aol.com Re: DOD and DeLorean production chronology analys 4583. Ann & Ed Thompson Re: High Import Tax in Canada? Look to Norway (no 4584. DMC Joe Re: what is that? 4585. Gus Schlachter Delorean Milestone -----------------------------------------------------------------
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:40:06 +0000 From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster@delorean.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <80aopj$bh4d@eGroups.com> <38298ECE.4B2A@flash.net> <382A3791.838FE5AD@erols.com> Subject: [DML] Re: So what are the 0-60 times? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Ian Titley once told me a story about him overtaking his friend while his friend was doing a reliable 119mph. The point of the story being the "how do you know how fast you're going when the speedo stops at 85?" question posed by me
Ian told the story that he didn't just overhaul his friend, but fair shot past him.
Ian's has the stock exhaust with catalytics - he also has one of the best eamples of DeLoreanhood you'll ever see.
Martin
Ann & Ed Thompson wrote:
> It appears obvious to me that if the stock original DeLorean had been fitted with > an engine with a little more HP and torque it could have easily achieved the touted > 130+ MPH. As it is, it appears that, as stock, the scientific test results as > reported by "Road & Track" are more realistic than the "dreamers" want to believe. > > Regards, > Ed Thompson (believed to be somewhat of a "realist" and a D owner/driver since 1982) > Midlothian, VA > USA
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:44:50 -0500 From: Ann & Ed Thompson <RappaRivaRat@erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <80aopj$bh4d@eGroups.com> <38298ECE.4B2A@flash.net> <382A3791.838FE5AD@erols.com> <382A9BE1.C8DB93B8@delorean.de> Subject: [DML] Re: So what are the 0-60 times? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Michael, I'm not sure exactly what it is that you disagree with.
The numbers are not mine. They were taken from controlled, scientifically monitored road tests by a very reputable concern that has been doing road tests of this sort for years. How does one disagree with live, documented, well researched, and well published test results? Of course it's entirely possible that the test vehicle did not produce the exact same horsepower and torque ratings that yours does. Nevertheless, test results are test results. If it looks like a duck........
Regards, Ed
> Michael Reinemuth wrote: > > Hello Ed, I disagree with that. > > > According to extensive road tests on a stock factory DeLorean as reported > > by "Road & Track" magazine they found the following: > > > > 1st gear: 6500 rpm - 40 MPH (no ignition problems so far) > > 2nd gear: 6500 rpm - 64 MPH (still no ignition problems) > > 3rd gear: 6500 rpm - 98 MPH (near peak of the torque range, still no ignition problems) > > 4th gear: 5600 rpm - 109 MPH (torque falls apart here) > > 5th gear: 4400 rpm - 109 MPH (top achievable speed - torque gave out already, > > unable to push the car beyond 109 MPH, but still no ignition problems)
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Christopher Hawes" <cmhdevelopment@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:10:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: So what are the 0-60 times? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I am really looking forward to the results from the Dyno day.
Were the various weights of each car recorded?????
The standard car is 2712.6lbs is an auto heavier???
Also, I am sure everyone on the DML shares a thought for your son. Before you know it he will be back firing on all cylinders.....
Best wishes
Christopher M. Hawes DMD (Delorean Model Dealership) Website nearly ready....
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On Dyno Day we got printouts of horsepower and torque curves verses rpm. However, we did not get the time verses horsepower and torque curves. I have requested these to get the 0 to 60 and beyond times.
I should be able to get these by the middle of next week. The guy (Charlie) who runs the dyno is out of town until then. As the saying goes "Hurry up and wait."
I am trying to digest and graph the data as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, my son has taken ill and we are spending a great deal of time at the doctors and hospital. They do not know what is wrong with him other than some virsus is damaging his kidneys and upper respiratory cavities.
Bob
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Ian Foster" <ian@netvigator.com> References: <80996g$bqjc@eGroups.com> <000701bf2b0e$a7834e00$1ff1a7d0@default> <023401bf2b63$f1781a40$84ee9bcf@oemcomputer> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:15:33 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] DMC Owners meet in HongKong. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
DMLers,
Last night the first DMC Owners Meeting was held in Hong Kong!!! This 'historic' event was attended by myself and Chicago Owner/Enthusiast Bill Kwan (in HK on business and to visit family). A small turn-out compared to the Euro and US DeLorean Meets, but a great evenings entertainment! We swapped stories and showed photos of our precious toys over a few "jars". Many positive comments were received from patrons of the "Wanch" Pub who saw the silver photos sitting on the Bar.
Just goes to show what a far reaching facility the DML is. Bill saw a post from me a few weeks back and got in contact about his upcoming trip to HK. We were even able to find him a BTTF model in a local toy shop.
It was a pleasure meeting a fello enthusiast like Bill. Anyone else visiting this side of the World drop me a line.
Cheers, IAN
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:17:09 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] 8583? No way, but maybe in the USA! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hello,
The total number of 8,583 DeLoreans produced was published in one of the first DeLorean World's from the DOA. Now, I know there are some DOA board members who are subscribing to this list, so please check into this, will you? Where did the DOA the 8,583 number??? Or maybe there was a print error so that the number should read 9,583? :)
This is an area of the DeLorean story that every owner should be interested in because this can affect the car's value! No, Im definitely not saying that we should "go" for the most pleasing lower number of 8583.
But the truth must be told!
If not, there will be problems when experts will define the cars value. You can't put a value on a series of cars if you dont know the production volume. Of course I doubt if we will ever get the exact figure but the analysis can show a estimated gap of 500/1000 more DeLoreans. This has also something to do with the cars reputation, and last but not least credibility! Every owner should care!
Obviously, as most of us know, the factory produced +/- 10,000 DeLoreans. The 10,000 number have been set out by factory workers who are sure that they built at least 10,000 DeLoreans.
Robert Lamrock's useful info from the UK government states:
"...sales of cars to 31 January 1982 were:-
cars produced 8,333
cars shipped to USA 7,401
cars sold to dealers 5,114
retail sales by dealers 3,347 "
Now, this CLEARLY shows that the production HAD REACHED 8,333 cars by the end of January. And I don't believe that the factory produced exactly 250 cars(!) from Feb. to Oct. 1982!
Also, I know a gentleman in Sweden who have DeLoreans with VIN 11786 which is the highest VIN I've ever come across! What is special is that this car was imported from Saudi-Arabia!
The 8,583 number can also be the total number of cars shipped to the United States, forgetting to include export to other parts of the world.
Not all DeLoreans have been reported it seems. We know of DeLoreans going to both South Africa and Saudi Arabia/Kuwait. Question is whether they were exported right from the factory when they were on the brink of bankruptcy... If that is true then this must have been a decision of the British receivers...(Can somebody phone Sir Kenneth Cork? He must know!)
Just put yourself in the executive chair...if a wealthy oil millionaire from Arabia showed up with lots of $$$ asking to buy some cars, wouldn't you have said "yes!"???
Best wishes Stian Birkeland NORWAY
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomcio@gtemail.net> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:54:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: High Import Tax in Canada? Look to Norway (not) or Poland (even more NOT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi all, Guys! That is just problem of money! More or less, but it's 'just'(!) money. In my case it's more complicated. I am trying to ship my D to Poland. Our law does not allow anyone to import a car that is more than 10 years old. It doesn't matter what car it is.... classic or not. I doesn't matter how much one is willing to pay..... you CAN'T do it. Right now I'm trying to find a way to go around that stupid law... there's got to be a way. Good luck to you....
Tom Niemczewski tomcio@gtemail.net vin 6298
-----Original Message----- From: Stian Birkeland <dmc_norway@hotmail.com> To: dmcnews@egroups.com <dmcnews@egroups.com> Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 12:11 AM Subject: [DML] High Import Tax in Canada? Look to Norway (not)
>The Canadian import tax is nothing compared to the taxes in Norway... >to get a good DeLorean imported, taxed and registered you have to pay about >$ 7,000 (!) > >Calculation: Tax for the cars weight, kw, and ccm. VAT 23%, registration >about $200,- > >We often say "Look to Norway". This expression does certainly not apply when >talking about Norwegian taxes... > >The positive thing is when the car reaches 30 years old, the taxes are no >more than $400,- > >This also means that you must be out of your mind importing a DeLorean to >Norway when the car is 29 years of age. Wait one year to achieve "classic >status" and you save lots of $$$ > >Best wishes >Stian Birkeland >NORWAY > > >>Actually, I had a friend ship a car to Germany and it cost FAR less >>than what it cost me to import a car from the US. The Canadian >>government is insane with PST (8%), GST (7%) and duty (6.1%), plus the >>$2500 it cost me to ship it. >> >>Frigging Canada. >> >>J > >______________________________________________________ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: >www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: >moderator@dmcnews.com > > >eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews >http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > > > >
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: Amazinrick@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:22:46 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Oh please... :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Today in that De Lorean give-away contest (Wheels and Reels) the question was
"what car took Marty back to 1955"? I thought that was really stupid, so as
they say, "Hello!! Anybody home McFly?" Anway... :)
~Rick
'55 Chevy
VIN- looking in NJ
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Montgomery, Ken" <kenm@csus.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:49:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: DOD and DeLorean production chronology analysis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> From: Marc A Levy [mailto:malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com]
> While on the DOD... When the directory started it was available for > download by anyone on the DOD list. Will it ever be again? > > I am not clear on how or why the DOD has changed over the past year or > so. It went from a free on-line publication for the participants only, > to a list that can be viewed by anyone (a invasion of privacy) and a $5 > charge for the complete printed copy (who is making money on the > distribution of my personal information?) Frankly, this is not what I > signed up for. I see there is still a "DMC-News Members Only Lounge", > but is this still active and up to date? (I dont remember > the Password) > > I would like to see the DOD return to how it was presented. > The option of a printed copy for a small copy/mail charge should be made > available, but the "Listed Owners" page should be modified to include less > information.
As keeper of the DeLorean Owners Directory, let me address these issues one at a time:
The DOD was first available through a passworded area on the DMCnews website (The Lounge). James E. didn't have the time to keep the DOD updated so it and The Lounge fell by the wayside. We are working on getting the DOD on-line again. We can't do it the way James did it because we're on a totally different web server and the programs don't work there. We're right in the middle of testing out new programs. You may see links to secure access on the DMCnews website, but it's not ready.
We're charging $5 for a printed copy of the DOD because we made 100 copies in time for the DOA St. Louis Expo but we only sold a dozen copies. It cost $350 to make those copies. I'll let you do the math. With tax on the printing and mailing costs, $5 was a nice round number. So far we've sold 7 more copies and that will probably be about it. We'll cover the loss in other ways (sales of the t-shirts etc.) and only make the next version available in an electronic format. We MAY have another printed version for the Cleveland show, but only if it's paid for with advertising.
It's been a long road to get the DOD back into shape, and there's still a long way to go. Yes, we know many of the entries are out of date and some that people have sent in are not there. I get questions all the time from people who say they've sent their entry 3 times. I look through the old email and never find them listed. Updates to the DOD should be on a quarterly basis. The next version should come out in January. That will be the one I'll want to post to the net.
I'm really sorry if the name list on the DOD page is a problem. Don't even get me started about 'invasion of privacy' issues. Some of us discussed what to include and we didn't think there would be a problem as long as nothing but city and state info was included. Opinions everyone??
Remember guys, 'we' (the moderators and other people working behind the scenes at DMCnews) are just individuals on the DML, like you. Try not to beat on us too hard. We just want to keep the DML running. We make this stuff up as we go along. None of us are experts in moderation or security or any of this. It's great when it works, we're sorry when it doesn't.
================================================================ Ken Montgomery Sacramento, CA VIN #10911 'OUTTIME' http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm mailto:kenm@csus.edu Northern California DeLorean Motor Club http://members.tripod.com/ncdmc/ Keeper of the DeLorean Owners Directory http://www.dmcnews.com mailto:directory@dmcnews.com ================================================================
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:35:24 -0600 From: Bob Brandys <oehcs@flash.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <80aopj$bh4d@eGroups.com> <38298ECE.4B2A@flash.net> <382A3791.838FE5AD@erols.com> <000701bf2c61$8d694700$ecfe183f@computer> Subject: [DML] Re: So what are the 0-60 times? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
DURING THE DYNO TESTING ALL CARS HAD IGNITION PROBLEMS ABOVE 4700 RPM. COULD BE THE AGE OF EVERYONES STOCK COILS.
THE SUPERCHARGED D NOW HAS AN MSD 6 ON ORDER FOR INSTALLATION NEXT WEEK.
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Richard Cutter" <dmc_power@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 02:53:45 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Re: High Import Tax in Canada? Look to Norway (not) or Poland (even more NOT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hello... Can't you drive it to the US and ship it from here or have a friend in the US ship it for you... !! Just a thought....
Rich Cutter #5467
>From: "Tom Niemczewski" <tomcio@gtemail.net> >Reply-To: dmcnews@egroups.com >To: "DML" <dmcnews@egroups.com> >Subject: [DML] Re: High Import Tax in Canada? Look to Norway (not) or >Poland (even more NOT) >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:54:12 +0100 > >Hi all, >Guys! That is just problem of money! More or less, but it's 'just'(!) >money. >In my case it's more complicated. I am trying to ship my D to Poland. Our >law does not allow anyone to import a car that is more than 10 years old. >It >doesn't matter what car it is.... classic or not. I doesn't matter how much >one is willing to pay..... you CAN'T do it. >Right now I'm trying to find a way to go around that stupid law... there's >got to be a way. >Good luck to you.... > >Tom Niemczewski >tomcio@gtemail.net >vin 6298 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Stian Birkeland <dmc_norway@hotmail.com> >To: dmcnews@egroups.com <dmcnews@egroups.com> >Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 12:11 AM >Subject: [DML] High Import Tax in Canada? Look to Norway (not) > > > >The Canadian import tax is nothing compared to the taxes in Norway... > >to get a good DeLorean imported, taxed and registered you have to pay >about > >$ 7,000 (!) > > > >Calculation: Tax for the cars weight, kw, and ccm. VAT 23%, registration > >about $200,- > > > >We often say "Look to Norway". This expression does certainly not apply >when > >talking about Norwegian taxes... > > > >The positive thing is when the car reaches 30 years old, the taxes are no > >more than $400,- > > > >This also means that you must be out of your mind importing a DeLorean to > >Norway when the car is 29 years of age. Wait one year to achieve "classic > >status" and you save lots of $$$ > > > >Best wishes > >Stian Birkeland > >NORWAY > > > > > >>Actually, I had a friend ship a car to Germany and it cost FAR less > >>than what it cost me to import a car from the US. The Canadian > >>government is insane with PST (8%), GST (7%) and duty (6.1%), plus the > >>$2500 it cost me to ship it. > >> > >>Frigging Canada. > >> > >>J > > > >______________________________________________________ > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: > >www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > > > >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: > >moderator@dmcnews.com > > > > > >eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews > >http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: >www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: >moderator@dmcnews.com > >-- 20 megs of disk space in your eGroup's Document Vault >-- http://www.egroups.com/docvault/dmcnews/?m=1 > >
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X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:27:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [DML] Death of a DeLorean Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF2C83.310F7DE0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Last night (Wed. Nov 10) a local DeLorean was involved in an accident. The= driver (Mr. Lang of Farragut, TN) is listed in critical condition. The ac= cident was allegedly caused by Mr. Lang passing over the center line and co= lliding with a Dodge minivan. The front end of the DeLorean "disintegrated= " and the car had to be cut open to get the two occupants out. All three p= eople involved were injured and brought to the hospital.
I will be trying to get more information if I can. I have located the wrec= kage, but no one is allowed to even see it - for insurance reasons probably=
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