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4601. Carson Clark              Re: Q and A with Stephen Wynne of DMC (Houston)
4602. James Espey               Re: Q and A with Stephen Wynne of DMC (Houston)
4603. Tom Niemczewski           Re: High Import Tax in Canada? Look to Norway (no
4604. DMC Joe                   Re: Heat shields.
4605. Deloreanernst(AT)aol.com     Re: Heat shields.
4606. Ann & Ed Thompson         Re: 8583? No way, but maybe in the USA!
4607. Garrit Taylor             door/roof weatherstripping
4608. James Espey               DeLorean memorabilia for sale - UPDATED
4609. Sean Howley               Re: Death of a DeLorean
4610. Michael Reinemuth         Re: Heat shields.
4611. Stian Birkeland           Re: Heat shield / Fuel Pump - Radiator
4612. jordang(AT)wf.quik.com       heat shield
4613. Michael Babb              License Plate Light
4614. Sean                      Re: Death of a DeLorean
4615. Sean Howley               Re: Heat shields.
4616. Martins                   Re: Death of a DeLorean
4617. BurkePhoto(AT)aol.com        Re: Heat shield / Fuel Pump - Radiator
4618. CBL302(AT)aol.com            Re: History Channel Documentory
4619. BurkePhoto(AT)aol.com        Coolant overflow
4620. jrobbins(AT)brit.ca          dmc northstar v8 conversion
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Who exactly is Stephen Wynne?  
Sorry, but I dont know....


--- James Espey <james(AT)usadmc.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 17 1999, De Lorean Motor Company will be
> hosting an
> "Online Q and A" with Stephen Wynne in our eGroups chat room at:
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> http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=usadmc
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> Lorean
> Motor Company Emailgram, which you can do at:
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> The "Online Q and A" is scheduled to start at 7:00pm Central Time and
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> run for one hour. Depending on the participation level, this may be a
> regular event, so please try and stop by and ask a question or two.
> 
> James Espey
> DeLorean Motor Company
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> 
> 281/568-9573
> 800/USA-DMC1
> http://www.usadmc.com
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Stephen Wynne is the owner of DeLorean Motor Company (Houston). Stephen
started working on DeLoreans in 1981 when he operated "Cars of Distinction"
in Southern California. A few years later, together with Ed Bernstein, they
opened "DeLorean One", also in Southern California.
In 1988, when DeLorean One opened a second location, Stephen and his family
left Southern California to operate the Houston, Texas facility. In 1995,
Stephen and Ed Bernstein dissolved their partnership and became two
separate, independent entities with no affilation whatsoever.
Stephen renamed the Texas facility "De Lorean Motor Company" and in 1997
purchased the world's largest inventory of DeLorean parts from KAPAC, in
Columbus, Ohio. The KAPAC inventory consists of a 40,000 square foot
warehouse of new, original DeLorean parts that came from the Northern
Ireland factory and the United States Parts Distribution Center in
California. Literally millions of new DeLorean parts are available from De
Lorean Motor Company from this inventory.
Stephen Wynne has made the DeLorean his life's work, and is universally
considered one of the top technical experts regarding the DeLorean Sports
Car.
And even though I get paid to say that, it's really true!  :)
James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas
281/568-9573
800/USA-DMC1
http://www.usadmc.com
At 11:32 AM -0500 11/13/99, Carson Clark wrote:
>Who exactly is Stephen Wynne?
>
>Sorry, but I dont know....
>
>
>--- James Espey <james(AT)usadmc.com> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 17 1999, De Lorean Motor Company will be
>> hosting an "Online Q and A" with Stephen Wynne in our eGroups chat room at:
>>
>> http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=usadmc
>>
>> In order to access the chat room, you must be subscribed to the
>> DeLorean Motor Company Emailgram, which you can do at:
>>
>> http://www.usadmc.com/emailgram.html
>>
>> The "Online Q and A" is scheduled to start at 7:00pm Central Time and
>> will
>> run for one hour. Depending on the participation level, this may be a
>> regular event, so please try and stop by and ask a question or two.
>>


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Hi guys,
Let me add my comments to all this.....
>Hi Ed, heīs problem is easy to explain.
>
> [SNIP]You canīt imagine at this time there are standing thousands (we
measured them in miles) of that cars at the german/poland border waiting for
crossing it.[SNIP]
That is 100% true. And most of them WERE junks!
>
>To stop that kind of business the polands made a law that forbids to import
cars
>older than ten years. But the polands are really funny people. By now the
>disasemble the cars her in germany, so the have only "spare parts", put
them on a
>truck cross the border and build them back together in Poland.
That was true, but not anymore!!! Because of those idiots importing junks to
Poland they also made a new law about two years ago. Right now no one is
allowed to register a car as a KIT or Rebuilt, or anything of that matter.
>
>So the only chance for Tom to import his DeLorean to Poland is doing it the
same
>way. He only had to remove the body from the frame and ship to car in two
sets of
>"spare parts" to Poland.
I can bring it as "spare parts", but I will never be able to get it
registered. No kit cars, no "Smithsmobiles", no cars that were put together
by someone else than factory.
As you can see, it really sucks living in a country that was literally
destroyed by 50 years of communism..... Thank got it's all changing now.
Take care,
Tom Niemczewski
tomcio(AT)gtemail.net
vin 6298
>Regards
>
>Michael Reinemuth
>-------------------------------------------------------
>eMail:    micha(AT)delorean.de - Heidelberg, Germany
>http://www.delorean.de - DeLorean Site Deutschland
>-------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>Ann & Ed Thompson schrieb:
>
> Good morning Tom!
>
> From where are you trying to ship your D to Poland?  If you already own
> it, I don't understand what the problem is.
>
> Regards,
> Ed Thompson
> Midlothian, VA
> USA
>
> > Tom Niemczewski wrote:
> >
> > In my case it's more complicated. I am trying to ship my D to Poland.
Our
> > law does not allow anyone to import a car that is more than 10 years
old. It
> > doesn't matter what car it is.... classic or not. I doesn't matter how
much
> > one is willing to pay..... you CAN'T do it.




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Driving the car without a muffler heatshield will cause premature failure
of the drive belts, pulley bearings, front engine crankshaft seal, camcover
seals, and the wiring harness. The heatshield supplied by PJ Grady, and DMC
Houston are factory spec. and will fit perfectly.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
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> Subject: [DML] Heat shields.
> Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 12:08 AM
> 
> I need to replace the heat shields on my Delorean, they are falling
apart. I 
> was just curious what other owners have done. Did you just replace them
with 
> shields available from the Delorean parts suppliers, replaced them with 
> something else or not replace that at all? Is there other options?
> 
> Thanks 
> Steve
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In a message dated 11/13/99 1:24:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
Sjaeger01(AT)aol.com writes:
<< Did you just replace them with 
 shields available from the Delorean parts suppliers, replaced them with 
 something else or not replace that at all? Is there other options? >>
From what I've read on the DML:  leave them off and toast your car parts... 
I'm guessing belts & hoses, possibly alternator.  Ownership-wise I'm in the 
"looking" stage.  Drove a D last Monday and when I got out and glanced back 
at the car following about 15 mins. of driving, the heat waves were just 
pouring out of the back of it!
I understand powerwashing them can damage them.
Somebody on the list mentioned, a month or two ago, that they had made their 
own, and made them a bit longer for better protection.  Check the archives.
I'm sure dmc houston must have them.  
"www.de-lorean-steel-products.purespace.de" (in Germany) makes them out of 
stainless, I believe.
- Wayne
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> Stian Birkeland wrote:
> 
> Now, since the 1982 models start on VIN 10000 the last VIN for the 1982
> DeLoreans would have been 11126!!!
> 
> In other words, the 8583 number is not correct!
The 8583 number could be correct and probably is.  It's fairly common
knowledge that all consecutive VIN numbers were not used.  Many were
skipped for reasons I'm not aware of.  Perhaps someone else on the DML 
may know why some VIN numbers were skipped and what some of those 
numbers are.  Ken?  James?
Regards,
Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982)
Midlothian, VA
USA
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On the top of my door along the T-panel roof line I have some old 
weatherstripping that needs replacement.  I purchased the replacement part 
for it through PJ Grady and now I need to know how to remove the old stuff.  
It seems to be riveted right on to the door in between a metal plate.  I 
cant take it anywhere so I have to do this myself.  Any hints on how to get 
the plate and stripping off?  And then how do I get the new stuff on?
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UPDATED 11/13/99 - Direct inquiries about these items to "james(AT)usadmc.com"
- thanks!
Listed below are the contents of my DeLorean memorabilia collection that I
have amassed over the past several years. Rather than sell it on ebay,
where I could probably make a LOT more cash but go through far more hassle,
I'm offering it to the readers of the DML.
Everything should be self-explanatory. First-come, first served. I have
just one of each item in most cases. Check or money order only. Buyer pays
actual shipping costs plus insurance if desired. If payment not received
within 5 days, item goes back on list for re-sale. I didn't collect junk,
only excellent items. If it's not listed below, I don't have it or I'm not
selling it, so don't ask.
One side of a De Lorean Motor Company dealer sign (no lights) $700
Dealer Banner, two sided (folded, but still great shape) $350
Rarest DeLorean poster (America's most talked about car!) $250
DMC Complete Advertising Marketing Binder $200
DMC Consumer Research Study in imprinted Binder $300
DMC Employee Necktie $150
August 1979 DeLorean Motor Company Newsletter $30
Fall 1980 DeLorean Motor Company Newsletter $30
Original (not repro) molded head key blank (why wait for Lee?) $40
Original lighted head key blank (Super Rare) $150
DeLorean Phone Card $30
DeLorean Collectors Plate (DOA item) $75
ZEE Zylmex die-cast DeLorean "matchbox" car with opening doors, still on
blister card $40
1981 Owners Manual, dealer listing, warranty, PDI form, with 81 style valet
$300
American Express catalog w/gold DeLorean & BONUS letter from C.R. Brown to
dealer about AMEX promotion $200
DMC Transporters handbook $50
DMC Factory patch, worn on employee coveralls $40
DMC Dealer List, one each of the three different varieties $75 sold as set only
DMC Postcards - horizontal layout (the common one) $5
DMC Postcards - vertical layout (the rare one) $50
Tri Fold (letter size) Brochure of sliding window prototype $10
Tri fold (folds out wide) brochure of production car (one each of both
variations) $40 set only
The big black brochure that everyone knows, 16 pages, foldouts, etc $15
The little alumnimum resin "looks like pewter" model $15
When it came to magazines, I sought out the unusual or otherwise hard to
find publications:
High Times - DeLorean: Was He Framed? (Feb 83) $30
Contemporary Christian 2-part interview with JZD (Oct and Nov 1984) $60
sold as set only
Contemporary Christian interview with Cristina Ferrare DeLorean (Apr 84)  $30
Special Interest Autos (June 95) $5
Look - JZD at GM, intro of Vega, photos of him w/2nd wife, Kelly Harmon
(Aug 25 '70)  $30
Bloomberg (Mar 98) $15
Pontiac Safari magazine - JZD as Chief Engineer (May-June 1965) $30
Classic and Sports Car - UK import (Mar 97) $10
Rolling Stone (Mar 17 81) $20
AutoWeek (Feb 11 80) $15
Los Angeles Daily News (insert from Dec 4 83) $10
Though not as interesting to me, I also have the "mainstream" magazines
available as well:
Time
  Nov 1 82 - $10
People
  Nov 29 1982 - $10
  Apr 16 1984 - $10
Motor Trend
  May 1981 - $10
Road and Track
  December 81 - $10
  June 1981 - $10


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Unfortunately, Mr. Lang died due to the injuries received from the accident=
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ut him, his family, or arrangements at this time.
I am still trying to gather additional information about what had occurred.=
  I did see the car today (from a distance as I was not allowed to get any =
closer) and I can understand why what happed, did due to the extreme damage=
 to the car.  I am going to try to get some pictures that I can post as I r=
emember several people wondering about crash worthiness of these cars.  How=
ever, it is important to note that the DeLorean and the minivan were headin=
g toward eachother at least at 50 miles an hour - this would mean that the =
impact speed would have been at least 100 mph.  It also seemed that the min=
ivan went over the top of the DeLorean (my personal guess) as the roof seem=
ed to be caved in.  I was only able to see the car from the front and excep=
t for one door poking up in the air, it was unrecognizable to me.
Sean Howley
VIN#2345
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hour - this would mean that the impact speed would have been at least 100 =
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Stainless didnīt work as a "Heat shield", it rather works in the wrong way as a
"radiator".
Deloreanernst(AT)aol.com schrieb:
> "www.de-lorean-steel-products.purespace.de" (in Germany) makes them out of
> stainless, I believe.
> - Wayne
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How many heatshields are there on the DeLorean anyway??? Where are they 
located???
In an old DeLorean World ad for Bauerle Automotive in Ohio, you could also 
buy a non-delorean after-market heatshield to place in front of the car. 
This heatshield was meant to protect the fuelpump from the warm air coming 
from the radiator. This was supposed to help the fuelpump operation, so that 
the fuelpump wouldn't develop a high noise during operation. Is there any 
truth in this???
If this is true, is this particular heatshield still available?
From Bauerle? DMC Houston? PJ Grady? D1? Or is it not produced anymore?
Any help would be appreciated.
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY
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>Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 14:46:38 -0500
>
>Driving the car without a muffler heatshield will cause premature failure
>of the drive belts, pulley bearings, front engine crankshaft seal, camcover
>seals, and the wiring harness. The heatshield supplied by PJ Grady, and DMC
>Houston are factory spec. and will fit perfectly.
>
>DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
>Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
>
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> > From: Sjaeger01(AT)aol.com
> > To: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com
> > Subject: [DML] Heat shields.
> > Date: Friday, November 12, 1999 12:08 AM
> >
> > I need to replace the heat shields on my Delorean, they are falling
>apart. I
> > was just curious what other owners have done. Did you just replace them
>with
> > shields available from the Delorean parts suppliers, replaced them with
> > something else or not replace that at all? Is there other options?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Steve
> >
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:24:27 -0800
From: jordang(AT)wf.quik.com
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I repaired mine this way:  I took it off.  I bought some sheet metal to
wrap around one side and the edges of the asbestos shield. I bought the
sheet
metal at Lowes in the form of a large stove sheet metal pipe, it cost
about $3.00 The pipe had a
seam running the full length and I just unrolled it and shaped it flat.
I then marked it 1/2 bigger on all sides and cut it with a tin snip
cutter.
Then I used a rubber hammer to hammer 90% turns on the edges.  I used a
concrete porch step of my house to be the corner mold for the sheet
metal.
This was very easy.  I then put the asbastos on the metal sheet and 
hammered it so that it folded over the asbastos on its ends. 
 Then I drilled the holes and remounted it.  I suggest that you do this
 so that the asbastos side is seen from the back of the car and the
metal
 faces the engine.

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From: "Michael Babb" <michael.babb(AT)mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:39:47 -0700
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Hello All....I had been meaning to replace the bulb on one of my license
plate holders for a while..
Turns out it has been about three years, since the side that didn't light
was missing part of the components to make it work (the little metal piece
that the wire plugs into.  If anyone has a license plate light "holder" for
sale, please let me know.
P.S.   I have only gotten 2 entries for my November contest so far....for
the chance to win a FREE DeLorean poster.  Check out info at
www.babbtechnology.com/delorean
Thanks!
Michael
VIN 3472


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From: "Sean" <rx7(AT)netdot.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:03:03 -0600
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    I am still trying to gather additional information about what had occur=
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any closer) and I can understand why what happed, did due to the extreme da=
mage to the car.  I am going to try to get some pictures that I can post as=
 I remember several people wondering about crash worthiness of these cars. =
 However, it is important to note that the DeLorean and the minivan were he=
ading toward eachother at least at 50 miles an hour - this would mean that =
the impact speed would have been at least 100 mph.  It also seemed that the=
 minivan went over the top of the DeLorean (my personal guess) as the roof =
seemed to be caved in.  I was only able to see the car from the front and e=
xcept for one door poking up in the air, it was unrecognizable to me.
    =
    =
    =
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    to the car.&nbsp; I am going to try to get some pictures that I can pos=
t as =
    I remember several people wondering about crash worthiness of these =
    cars.&nbsp; However, it is important to note that the DeLorean and the =
    minivan were heading toward eachother at least at 50 miles an hour - th=
is =
    would mean that the impact speed would have been at least 100 mph.&nbsp=
; It =
    also seemed that the minivan went over the top of the DeLorean (my pers=
onal =
    guess) as the roof seemed to be caved in.&nbsp; I was only able to see =
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From: "Sean Howley" <tsuyoi(AT)mindspring.com>
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:09:52 -0500
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I replaced my old torn up heat shield with a "home made" stainless pair.  I
made two pieces that have the same shape except one is about 1/2" to 3/4"
longer on the bottom side.  Using a sheet metal brake, I slightly bent the
extra on the bottom of the long sheet.  I then mounted the two sheets in the
car with a washer in-between them to create an air gap.  The way I have
theorized this set up is that the rear sheet with the bend (closest to the
muffler) will force air moving below the car up through the gap and out the
engine cover.  So, yes the sheet right next to the muffler will really heat
up, but the second sheet on the other side of the air gap (and next to the
belts) will remain cool.
I have been using this for just short of a year without any noticeable
problems, but I am unsure that it works exactly as I have theorized.  But
when you look at the rear of the car, it looks really good hanging down like
it does.
Sean Howley
VIN#2345

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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:46:08 -0500
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First, the Lang family has my deepest sympathy, and condolences. How old =
was Mr. Lang?=20
Also, if I may tie this question into this "real life" event, was the =
DeLorean crash-tested for a front-end collision with another vehicle? If =
so, wouldn't it have been seen that it's "wedge" shape (low front end, =
"high" rear end) could be rather dangerous?=20
Wes

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From: BurkePhoto(AT)aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:34:23 EST
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In a message dated 11/13/99 7:35:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dmc_norway(AT)hotmail.com writes:
<< In an old DeLorean World ad for Bauerle Automotive in Ohio, you could also 
 buy a non-delorean after-market heatshield to place in front of the car. 
 This heatshield was meant to protect the fuelpump from the warm air coming 
 from the radiator. This was supposed to help the fuelpump operation, so that 
 the fuelpump wouldn't develop a high noise during operation. Is there any 
 truth in this??? >>
Yes, apparently the heat shield for the fuel pump has value.  I installed one 
about thirteen years ago and have had no problems or noise from the fuel 
pump.  The heatshield in question is a piece of rubber (like an inner tube) 
that you attach with screws to direct the warm air flowing out of the 
radiator down away from the gas tank.
Burke
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 22:37:28 EST
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In a message dated 11/8/99 10:32:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, DMCJOE(AT)att.net 
writes:
<< you make it sound as if the engineers knew that the epoxy would crack. At
 the time of design the epoxy coating was an excellent idea.  >>
Sorry,if it sounds that way,but Lotus Should have run extensive tests on that 
process before it was used on our Deloreans,after all JZD already knew the 
reason why he did not want to use a Stainless Steel frame was,because of 
possible frame cracking at certain sub-zero temperatures so at the last 
moment he decided to go with the epoxy coated frames instead,Who knows maybe 
the DMC2,may be created as originally planned.(If it is ever created).
Claude
000570
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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:01:55 EST
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Subj:   Re: [DML] Re: COOLANT OVERFLOW
Date:   11/9/99 11:17:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
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In a message dated 11/9/99 6:11:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, WINGD2(AT)aol.com 
writes:
<< Chip,
    Your car is just like all the others. The Delorean does not have an 
 overflow container.  A small bit of trivia :  Guess who owns the patent 
 rights to the coolant overflow container ?   JZD himself ! >>
This is totally incorrect.  Deloreans do, or are supposed to have, overflow 
containers.  The original was plastic and was prone to cracking, probably the 
reason some Deloreans are sans container.  The correct solution is to replace 
the original plastic container with after market containers fabricated from 
stainless steel.  
Burke

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FYI everyone:
http://www.americancustomeng.com/dmc_powe.htm
J

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