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4668. DMC Joe                   Re: WARNING ! Removing door and quarter panel
4669. luke.sandel(AT)cmich.edu     Re: pictures in the vault
4670. Stian Birkeland           Torsion Bar Adjustment Video? Yes please!
4671. Stian Birkeland           AUTOGLYM Stainless Steel Polish
4672. Brandon Moody             Re: Removing door and quarter panel
4673. Kemp, Nick (MN10)         Re: heat shields
4674. saintern                  steering
4675. DMC Joe                   Re: Torsion Bar Adjustment Video? Yes please!
4676. BRUCE BENSON              Re: heat shields
4677. DMC Joe                   Re: heat shields
4678. Bob Brandys               Re: Yellow Delorean
4679. William T Wilson          Re: dmc northstar conversion
4680. William T Wilson          Re: dmc northstar conversion
4681. Christopher Hawes         More than one DMC-12???
4682. Sean Jones                Re: dmc northstar conversion
4683. DMC Joe                   Re: steering
4684. CBL302(AT)aol.com            Re: WARNING ! Removing door and quarter panel
4685. cbl302(AT)msn.com            Re: Removing door and quarter panel
4686. BondAtomic(AT)aol.com        DeLorean Icons
4687. Dave Stragand             KYB Gas Shocks?
4688. Ann & Ed Thompson         Engine swaps in violation of EPA law?
4689. Watkins Family            Interior Carpets
4690. CatfishEd(AT)aol.com         Re: More than one DMC-12???
4691. Jesse D. Sightler         Re: dmc northstar conversion
4692. BurkePhoto(AT)aol.com        Re: Torsion Bar Adjustment
4693. Lee                       Re: Engine swaps in violation of EPA law?
4694. Carson Clark              Lukewarm Temp Starting
4695. wbennet1(AT)clarku.edu       Photo in the vault...
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WARNING !

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe you are trying to describe the
procedures for removing a DeLorean gullwing door, if this is true you have
left out many details, some of which could cause serious injury to whoever
is attempting this procedure.

DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
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> Subject: [DML] Re: Removing door and quarter panel
> Date: Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:28 PM
> 
> Remove the T panel,to access the wiring harness,then support the door
fully open(using a 2x4)wedged tight between the door and the ground remove
the strut,then as you remove the bolts holding the door on, have
asstists,hold the door as all the hindge bolts are removed.NEVER remove or
work on a Delorean door without it being wedged up,so as not to come down
on you.The Delorean Q panel has what look like philips screws (they are not
philips screws)under the door weatherstrip and the rocker panel and under
the rear facia,and the rocker panel on the back of the Q panel,and of
course you have to remove the engine compartment rear louver. 
> 
> Claude
> 000570 
> 

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darryl tinnerstet <darry-(AT)techline.com> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=4663
> I just attempted to upload 4 pictures of my supercharged DeLorean in
the
> DMCNews vault, in a folder called "superchargedChevyDMC" but I'm not
sure it
> worked.  They appear to be there, but I can't open them.  Being the
computer
> novice that I am, can someone let me know if they are indeed there? 
(Not
> everyone, please!)  Thanks.
> 
> -- 
> Darryl Tinnerstet

I found that the files had Macbinary headers, so I
decoded/resaved/reuploaded
them.  The new files have a "-fixed" in their names.

-Luke

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Hello, I think I speak for many European owners who don't have the privelege 
of a DMC Service Center.

WE NEED A VIDEO ON HOW TO ADJUST THE TORSION BARS SO AS NOT TO RUIN OUR 
DELOREANS!

Now, who can make such a video? I know its a "dangerous" procedure in 
adjusting the torsion bars but again - the whole DeLorean community must be 
enlightened... I know what I would do. I would show such a video to my local 
mechanic and never try it myself.

We must be sure of what we're doing....And of course the legal disclaimer 
applies here..."you are responsible for your own actions.."

REMEMBER THE RULES:
1) Replace struts
2) If no improvement, then:
3) Adjust torsion bars

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY

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From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway(AT)hotmail.com>
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Hello,
I just want to recommend the following stainless steel polish...
AUTOGLYM METAL POLISH FOR STAINLESS STEEL!

This product is known for its good reputation of being the first choice for 
the cars of the British Royal Family.

(Of course, the legal disclaimer applies here too!)

Best wishes
Stian Birkeland
NORWAY

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From: "Brandon Moody" <bsmoody(AT)kih.net>
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Thats one way to remove the door, along with a few
fingers and your head !  Not to mention the damage you
will do to the car when everything lets loose !  Whoever
was wanting to know this info please don't do it this way.
I know everyone has differnt opinions on doing things but
this will get someone hurt !

-Brandon

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>Subject: [DML] Re: Removing door and quarter panel
>Date: Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:28 PM

>Remove the T panel,to access the wiring harness,then support the door
>fully open(using a 2x4)wedged tight between the door and the ground remove
>the strut,then as you remove the bolts holding the door on, have
>asstists,hold the door as all the hindge bolts are removed.NEVER remove or
>work on a Delorean door without it being wedged up,so as not to come down
>on you.The Delorean Q panel has what look like philips screws (they are not
>philips screws)under the door weatherstrip and the rocker panel and under
>the rear facia,and the rocker panel on the back of the Q panel,and of
>course you have to remove the engine compartment rear louver.

 Claude
000570

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-----Original Message-----
From: Darryl Tinnerstet [mailto:darryl(AT)techline.com]

... which had no provision for a heatshield.  There
were no brackets.  They normally are a part of the lower muffler brackets,
but this car definitely did not ever have them.  ...

Response, 
I have #897 and have the heat shield.  I thought all cars came from the
factory with them.

NK

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Ok guys....does this sound familiar....I'm driving into a culdasac and
as I make a tight turn turn to come around full circle it feels like my
front wheels kinda " bump" around, like they were wobling or
something...sounds weird I know but does this sound like any particular
problem?...I'm going to inspect my steering components and see if there
is any worn parts that could be suspect.........Plus, when I'm down
shifting to slow down and take a turn the car will NEVER let me
downshift into second....instead I have to chug it around in
third......what could that possibly be?
-Thanks,
Donald Kazmark
vin 3541

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Stian,

We have such a video. Because of the safety concerns you just mentioned we
decided not to release it for distribution. Based on your request we will
reevaluate our decision and consider making the video available through our
on line store, which is scheduled to open Jan. 1, 2000.

DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>

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> From: Stian Birkeland <dmc_norway(AT)hotmail.com>
> 
> 
> Hello, I think I speak for many European owners who don't have the
privelege 
> of a DMC Service Center.
> 
> WE NEED A VIDEO ON HOW TO ADJUST THE TORSION BARS SO AS NOT TO RUIN OUR 
> DELOREANS!
> 
> Now, who can make such a video? I know its a "dangerous" procedure in 
> adjusting the torsion bars but again - the whole DeLorean community must
be 
> enlightened... I know what I would do. I would show such a video to my
local 
> mechanic and never try it myself.
> 
> We must be sure of what we're doing....And of course the legal disclaimer

> applies here..."you are responsible for your own actions.."
> 
> REMEMBER THE RULES:
> 1) Replace struts
> 2) If no improvement, then:
> 3) Adjust torsion bars
> 
> Best wishes
> Stian Birkeland
> NORWAY

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From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut(AT)worldnet.att.net>
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My car isn't an early one (vin# 6938) but when I turbocharged it with a
single turbo about 40,000 miles back I installed a glass pack muffler which
is considerably smaller in diameter than the stock Walker muffler. I removed
the heat sheild at that time and have had no ill effects. Admittedly, the
smaller muffler dissipates the heat further from the engine than the stock
muffler.

Bruce Benson

>this car definitely did not ever have them.  I had no heat related
> problems with it at all.  I would like to know if any other owners
> of very early cars were similarly un-equipped.

> Darryl Tinnerstet
> McCleary, WA

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Apparently three is some confusion on this subject. Over the weekend a
question was asked about an after market heat shield for the fuel pump. A
few days earlier there were several posts about homemade and modified
heatshields for the exhaust muffler. So to clear the air, yes all DeLoreans
were fitted with exhaust muffler heat shields. No DeLoreans were fitted
with fuel pump heat shields. 

DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
Web Site:  <http://www.deloreanservices.com>

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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darryl Tinnerstet [mailto:darryl(AT)techline.com]
> 
> ... which had no provision for a heatshield.  There
> were no brackets.  They normally are a part of the lower muffler
brackets,
> but this car definitely did not ever have them.  ...
> 
> Response, 
> I have #897 and have the heat shield.  I thought all cars came from the
> factory with them.
> 
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The horsepower curves for the vehicles tested on dyno day

can be seen AT:

Horsepower page: http://www.dmcnews.com/Resource/horsepower.html

The torque curves will be done later this week.  Hopefully we will
eventual be able to calculate all the 0-60 and quarter mile times.

Many thankx to Dave Swingle for posting the excel graphs to the DML.

Dr. Bob

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:34:13 -0500 (EST)
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On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Richard Petrie wrote:

> I'm curious with the whole Northstar conversion scenario, is it advisable? 

Ooh, engine swaps, my favorite topic :}

> Meaning, was the Delorean chassis designed to handle that kind of
> power/torque? I've heard nightmare stories of similar converstions,
> and just wanted some feedback as to the safety involved ;)

If you've heard nightmare stories of DeLorean conversions, I'd like to
hear them... it would make a good addition to the collective wisdom of the
list.

I've heard of Buick and Chevy V6s, the Northstar V8, a Mazda 13B Wankel,
and a Rover V8 all being successfully transplanted into the DeLorean.  
All make more power than the PRV and none of these require any substantive
chassis or body modifications.  It is not recommended to do a swap with
the auto trans because it is not a particularly strong unit. "Conventional
wisdom" is that 200 HP is as much power as it will handle. However, if you
desire an automatic transmission, there are modern automatics available
which can handle the power of a new engine.  The 5-speed transmission
(like many European transmission of the era) is much stronger than the
emissions-controlled engines they were mated to in the United States and
should handle 300 HP without trouble, or even more if you drive it gently.

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:39:19 -0500 (EST)
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On Sun, 14 Nov 1999, Martin Gutkowski wrote:

> "As far as strength, the original frame would handle 130 FtLbs for
>  torque in the engine compartment, the new frame will handle 310
>  FtLbs of torque in the engine compartment with a calculated
>  correspondence throughout the frame."

No offense to Bryan, but I believe this piece of information on his web
site is wrong.  The *stock* DeLorean engine produces more than 150 ft.lbs
of torque and the turbos produce even more, so obviously the frame is
stronger than that.  Many people have done swaps and, in the case when
something breaks, it is usually the transmission.  I've not heard of
anyone ever breaking the frame except as a result of damage or rust.

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From: "Christopher Hawes" <cmhdevelopment(AT)hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:15:39 GMT
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I was wondering why some of you on the list have owned more than one car.  
For example Darryl has owned 3 DMC's.

Did they get written off????

Chris

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My third DeLorean, which I drove for about 5 years almost daily, was a very 
early car (VIN 923 I think) which had no provision for a heatshield.  There 
were no brackets.  They normally are a part of the lower muffler brackets, 
but this car definitely did not ever have them.  I had no heat related 
problems with it at all.  Please note that I am NOT advocating that anyone 
leave their heat shield off.  But I would like to know if any other owners 
of very early cars were similarly un-equipped.

Darryl Tinnerstet
McCleary, WA

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Hello,

See the one thing i heard too is that it needs more then that.  Because the
northstar computer, and transmission computer have to be in sink,  or the
motor won't even start or operate properly.  But i could be wrong.

- Shain

Richard Cutter wrote:

> Greetings...
>
> The Northstar is produced only as an automatic by G/M but its like any
> engine can be converted to manual use with proper flywheel and clutch.
>
> Rich Cutter
> # 5467 - NS
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> >Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:27:29 -0500
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> >Hello,
> >
> >I thought all northstar motors and conversion had to be automatic.
> >
> >- Shain
> >
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When you turn you steering wheel to the full lock position either left or
right the inside wall or your tires rubs against the front anti-roll bar.
To prevent this simply back off the steering wheel slightly to eliminate
the noise.

I don't understand you second problem. Are you describing a clutch /
transmission problem or an acceleration problem.
 

DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>
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> Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 4:14 PM
> 
> Ok guys....does this sound familiar....I'm driving into a culdasac and
> as I make a tight turn turn to come around full circle it feels like my
> front wheels kinda " bump" around, like they were wobling or
> something...sounds weird I know but does this sound like any particular
> problem?...I'm going to inspect my steering components and see if there
> is any worn parts that could be suspect.........Plus, when I'm down
> shifting to slow down and take a turn the car will NEVER let me
> downshift into second....instead I have to chug it around in
> third......what could that possibly be?
> -Thanks,
> Donald Kazmark
> vin 3541
> 
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That is the way I have removed many a Delorean door with out any problems,I repeat you DO NOT have to remove the torsion bars,AS long as you have the door fully open and supported,by 2x4 and assistants.Also I just checked out one of my Delorean restoration projects and the torsion bars are still in place,WITH the doors removed,as I said Just DO NOT bump into the torsion bars with any tools,or with the door,also if you want to remove the torsion bar,do it with the door OPEN and fully supported,remember that the pressure is lessened when the door is open.When removing the torsion bars be careful that you have at least two assistants to help you,one to hold the door in the fully open position and one to hold the torque on the torsion bar as you remove the two bolts that hold the torsion bar bracket and he relieves some of the torque on the torsion bar,then reinstall the bracket and bolts and then repeat the above process,untill all pressure is removed from the torsion bar.Caution!
!
 if not done correct there is a possibility of shattering the rear window and damage to the T panel. 

Claude
000570  

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"brandon moody" <bsmood-(AT)kih.net> wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=4672
> 
> Thats one way to remove the door, along with a few
> fingers and your head !  Not to mention the damage you
> will do to the car when everything lets loose !  Whoever
> was wanting to know this info please don't do it this way.
> I know everyone has differnt opinions on doing things but
> this will get someone hurt !
> 
> -Brandon
> I just relized what you are thinking,NO NO NO,not the bolts holding
the hindges to the black body,but the 4 BOLTS (horizontal) going thru
the swiwel part of the hindge holding the door to the hindge,sorry
about the confusion,Yes I can see your point if THE hindges were
unbolted intact from the black body with the torsion bar still
attached,you would have some very 
serious problems.

Claude
000570
> 
> 
> >From: CBL302(AT)aol.com
> >To: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com
> >Subject: [DML] Re: Removing door and quarter panel
> >Date: Sunday, November 14, 1999 11:28 PM
> 
> >Remove the T panel,to access the wiring harness,then support the door
> >fully open(using a 2x4)wedged tight between the door and the ground
remove
> >the strut,then as you remove the bolts holding the door on, have
> >asstists,hold the door as all the hindge bolts are removed.NEVER
remove or
> >work on a Delorean door without it being wedged up,so as not to come
down
> >on you.The Delorean Q panel has what look like philips screws (they
are not
> >philips screws)under the door weatherstrip and the rocker panel and
under
> >the rear facia,and the rocker panel on the back of the Q panel,and of
> >course you have to remove the engine compartment rear louver.
> 
>  Claude
> 000570
> 
> 
> 
> 

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From: BondAtomic(AT)aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:57:56 EST
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Dear Members,

If anyone has an Icon of a DeLorean, any kind of one, please send it to me in 
the form of a file. Thanks!

John Feldman

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:33:48 -0500
From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand(AT)ketchum.com>
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Hi All,

With my Disassembled D I received four brand new KYB shocks.  These were
probably purchased around 1989 or so, and are visibly a close match for
the old shocks.  The numbers are:

Front: KG 4605A
Rear: KG 9116

Does anyone know if these are/ever were proper shocks for a D, or did
the previous owner most likely just "match 'em up" at his local parts
store?  I checked the KYB web site, but they have no reference to the D,
nor to these particular shocks.  Any leads would be appreciated!

-Dave Stragand, #5927
dave.stragand(AT)ketchum.com
"The Blair De Lorean Project" Web Page
http://www.forwardlook.net/DMC

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:44:21 -0500
From: Ann & Ed Thompson <RappaRivaRat(AT)erols.com>
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Many years ago I wanted to replace the anemic 260 CID engine in my
1980 Oldsmobile Cutlass with the Olds version of the 350 CID, exterior
block size the exact size of the 260, the only differences being bore and
stroke, and valve and valve port sizes, so no problem fitting.

BUT, as I pursued the idea I found that at least by 1980 all passenger cars
(trucks were exempt for a while) sold in the US were required to be tested
and certified by EPA standards for emissions for any particular engine and
transmission configuration.  Not EVERY car had to be tested, but a class
representation had to be.  According to EPA law, that configuration can NOT
be altered in ANY way (even including exhaust) without further EPA testing
and certification.  Every reputable mechanic I questioned about this engine
swap refused to do it because they said it was in violation of EPA law without
the required EPA testing and recertification (at least here in Virginia).

So, would someone please explain how the Northstar, et al, swaps are legally
done?  Here in Virginia we have a mandatory state inspection and to pass the 
inspection the engine/transmission MUST be entirely original, without any 
modification according EPA standards of testing for that particular car's 
original configuration, even including the exhaust system.  For example, you
cannot even legally install dual exhausts on a car that originally had a 
single exhaust system, even if you install dual catalytic converters.  Unless,
of course, you are is willing to fork out thousands of dollars to have the car
retested AND certified by the EPA to establish new EPA specs.  Local and/or
state regulations for emissions testing ARE NOT necessarily the same as EPA
testing and certification.  EPA certification includes applying a EPA label in
the engine compartment for that car's EPA approved configuration, not simply
testing exhaust emissions.

BTW, for Bryan, according to DMC's original specs, the base engine torque was
established to be 160 lb-ft (AT) 2750 rpm, "Road & Track" and some others claimed 
162 lb-ft (AT) 2750 rpm, yet another found 173 lb-ft (AT) 3000 rpm.

Regards,
Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982)
Midlothian, VA

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:33:48 -0500
From: Watkins Family <watbmv(AT)megalink.net>
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While investigating some cosmetic fixes I called DMC Houston yesterday
and Rob this past summer, it seems that the passenger side door sill
carpet for the grey interior car in unavailable.  The previous owner of
my car needed to replace the carpet but could only get the dark grey for
the black interior.

I'm looking for the correct color door sill carpet with the attached
leatherette door dressing.  DMC mentioned they may be getting some
manufactured but not right away.   Does anyone have this item for sale
from a parts car?   When available it goes new for $101.62.   If  I
can't locate one I may simply change the other side to match or hope
that DMC will be able to get some manufactured.  If anyone can help me
I'd appreciate it.

Thanks

Tom
#5732

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From: CatfishEd(AT)aol.com
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:18:21 EST
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My D is an 81 with vin# 925 and I don't see a heat shield.

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:31:43 -0500
From: "Jesse D. Sightler" <jess(AT)activated.com>
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William T Wilson wrote:

> I've heard of Buick and Chevy V6s, the Northstar V8, a Mazda 13B Wankel,

Do you have any more information on the Wankel conversion?  I've always thought
that the Wankel was somehow the perfect engine conversion for a D due to its
small size, and weight, but excellent pickup, but have never actually heard of
it being done.   It would be very interesting to hear about the performance
from such a beast.  :)

-------
Jess
http://www.biddin.com/delorean/
VIN#5220
Who thinks his RX7 is just swell. :)

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From: BurkePhoto(AT)aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:29:38 EST
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The torsion bar adjustment was thoroughly outlined in a back issue of 
Delorean World.  I used this as a guide to replace a torsion bar that 
spontaneously fractured on my Delorean.  I'll try to find the issue.

Burke

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:33:40 -0800
From: Lee <support(AT)radiance.com>
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At 08:44 AM 11/16/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Many years ago I wanted to replace the anemic 260 CID engine in my
 

Hi Ed,

Well every state is different so I could not begin to comment on your
state, But in California it's much different. The certifications follow the
engine first then body style. You can scratch build a car in any
configuration you like as long as it can pass a bunch of test and
inspections. SMOG is one of them, and unless some one else has more recent
information, the "car" if home built must meet or exceed the General state
wide SMOG Levels and under go a visual inspection for completeness. If home
built they mostly look for clean neat arrangement in the engine
compartment. So you can mix and match any engine parts you like as long as
your creation can meet the various requirements. But then this is California!

The other part of this is the ownership follows the Chassis ID (VIN) while
SMOG follows the engine.

There was a case where a guy got a junk VW, paid for it got the title,
kited it out as  a Porsha 911 with all the bells and stuff. Registered it
and was cursing down the High Way one day and gets pulled over for
speeding. On checking the VIN the CHP finds it listed as stolen! The guy is
arrested and jailed, the Porsha/VW impounded.

The guy convinces a judge he purchased the chassis, presents the title, New
title, registration, insurance, and gets let out of jail. His Porsha/VW is
returned to the original owner of the VW, who was always the legal owner.

Be sure that your DMC VIN is not listed as stolen before putting a VW
engine in it!

Lee

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:47:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Carson Clark <cnsandog(AT)yahoo.com>
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I have talked with sweatyeddie about this and his car is having the
same problem...

If my cars temperature drops but doesnt cool off entirely the car will
not start-- it will turn over but not start.  I have had someone tell
me that it could be a "vapor lock".  And eddie said that if you plug
the 'grey' plug into the 'blue' plug, which forces gas into the system,
it starts every time...I have not personally done that yet.
I talked with Don about it from DMC and he said it could be the fuel
system could be starved for fuel.

Is this a common problem?  I know that most of you are probably in cold
weather already, but here in S. CAL it is still warm..;-)  Any of you
Mr. Goodwrenches got a fix for us?

thanks,

=====
C

VIN 16367
__________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:15:40 -0800
From: wbennet1(AT)clarku.edu
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I was just looking in the vault, and I saw a pic titled d=mc2. Correct
me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a Vector M12? It even has the Vector
logo on the spoiler. Besides, I don't think that I much like the design
of it...
-Bill-
(no VIN yet)

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