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----------------------------------------------------------------- 4696. Lynn Metz Re: Engine swaps in violation of EPA law? 4697. LovDMC12(AT)aol.com Re: Lukewarm Temp Starting 4698. DMC Joe Re: Lukewarm Temp Starting 4699. Watkins Family Center Armrest removal 4700. dmc5524(AT)aol.com POLL: Stainless Steel Frame 4701. Stian Birkeland New DeLorean? 4702. Stian Birkeland DMC-12 or DMC Coupé? 4703. Richard Cutter Re: dmc northstar conversion 4704. . wankel conversions 4705. Mike Substelny Re: POLL: Stainless Steel Frame 4706. Bob Brandys Re: Engine swaps in violation of EPA law? 4707. Darryl Tinnerstet Re: muffler heat shields 4708. DMC Joe Re: Center Armrest removal 4709. Jim Landry Re: Lukewarm Temp Starting 4710. . New Gullwing 4711. James Espey Tonight's the night! Q and A with Stephen Wynne 4712. mbomberger(AT)analysts.com JZD Bio on E -----------------------------------------------------------------
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From: "Lynn Metz" <metzlynn(AT)hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:55:45 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Subject: [DML] Re: Engine swaps in violation of EPA law? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Don't get confused about the EPA. There is USEPA and then there is each state's EPA. Just because you are following "EPA" rules in VA, does not mean that those same rules apply in other states. Check to see if the rules you are speaking of are USEPA or VAEPA. Brian 16584
>From: Ann & Ed Thompson <RappaRivaRat(AT)erols.com >representation had > >So, would someone please explain how the Northstar, et al, swaps are >legally >done? Here in Virginia we have a mandatory state inspection and to pass >the >inspection the engine/transmission MUST be entirely original, without any >modification according EPA standards of testing for that particular car's >original configuration, even including the exhaust system.
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From: LovDMC12(AT)aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:17:54 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Subject: [DML] Re: Lukewarm Temp Starting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I had the same problem. The car started fine when hot and fine when cold, but if it was in between I could forget it. The car tried to start but wouldn't kick over. After trying everything else, cold start, thermo time switch, etc, I replaced the fuel accumulator. The problem is gone, and hard starts at any temperature are a thing of the past.
The car does essentially vapor lock. John Truscott of DOA explained how the fuel accumulator doesn't close quickly enough and allows gas to go back into the tank that should stay in the lines. The heat from the engine boils the gas in the fuel distributor off and, hence, there isn't enough fuel to start the engine. Once it cools down, the lines fill back with gas, and it doesn't evaportate.
I'm sure the way I've explained it isn't exactly correct, but I do believe replacing the accumulator will solve your problem. It certainly made a huge difference in my DeLorean.
Brian VIN 1597
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From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)att.net> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:54:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Subject: [DML] Re: Lukewarm Temp Starting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Carson,
Most no hot start problems are due to vapor lock. The fuel accumulator is the component in the fuel system that prevents vapor lock therefore we would suggest you start by changing that component.
If you need further assistance feel free to contact us directly.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
---------- > From: Carson Clark <cnsandog(AT)yahoo.com> > > I have talked with sweatyeddie about this and his car is having the > same problem... > > If my cars temperature drops but doesnt cool off entirely the car will > not start-- it will turn over but not start. I have had someone tell > me that it could be a "vapor lock". And eddie said that if you plug > the 'grey' plug into the 'blue' plug, which forces gas into the system, > it starts every time...I have not personally done that yet. > I talked with Don about it from DMC and he said it could be the fuel > system could be starved for fuel. > > Is this a common problem? I know that most of you are probably in cold > weather already, but here in S. CAL it is still warm..;-) Any of you > Mr. Goodwrenches got a fix for us? > > thanks,
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:44:20 -0500 From: Watkins Family <watbmv(AT)megalink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Subject: [DML] Center Armrest removal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I will be getting a new center armrest soon and I attempted to remove the old one today. It seems that it's not as easy as it first seemed. Do you really have to remove the entire center console so you can get at the 4 nuts holding the piece in place? If so, is this difficult? or is there a handy-dandy special tool that can get in there without having to dismantle the console. The space from the ashtray is pretty small so I would guess I'm going to have to remove it, or at least raise it high enough to get at those pesky 4 nuts. The manual does seems to be pretty straight forward but as with most things, it may be deceiving.
Are there any bolts holding the console in from the bottom of the car?
Thanks
Tom #5732
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:37:40 -0800 From: dmc5524(AT)aol.com X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Subject: [DML] POLL: Stainless Steel Frame Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain
If money was no option, how many owners and future owners would replace the original frame with the Stainless Steel frame from Pearce-Design? ----
Please select one of the following:
o I WOULD purchase the new frame. o I WOULD NOT purchase the new frame. o I am UNSURE.
by going to the following Web form:
http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=942788259959&listname=dmcnews
Thank you!
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From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway(AT)hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:56:10 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Subject: [DML] New DeLorean? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
New DeLorean?
Hello, I guess a lot of people on this list is curious about the rumoured new DeLorean - the D2 on www.delorean.com
I'd like some feedback from those of you on the list who are DeLorean-owners....
Question: Do you agree that a new DeLorean, if ever produced, should resemble the original DeLorean from the eighties?
Personally, I think so. I mean, only putting gullwing doors on a DeLorean car is not the solution. The new DeLorean has got to resemble the original in terms of "family".
At least in Europe, the various models continues the "original design" with only minor facelifts from model to model. A good example is the Volkswagen Golf. The original design came in the 70s and have more or less survived in terms of similarity up to the 90s.
I think the new DeLorean should be based on the original DeLorean DMC-12 model too. This means that the new DeLorean should have a similar front and rear end + the gullwing doors from the original DeLorean.
Best wishes Stian Birkeland NORWAY
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From: "Stian Birkeland" <dmc_norway(AT)hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:03:02 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Subject: [DML] DMC-12 or DMC Coupé? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Regarding the model name...
Is the DeLorean:
MAKE: DE LOREAN MODEL: DMC-12
or:
MAKE: DE LOREAN MODEL: DMC Coupé
???
The reason I ask is that European registration authorities (at least in Norway) require both a make name and model name. I've seen both of the above versions on DeLoreans registration cards...
We all know that DMC called it "DMC-12", but did DMC ever approve the name "DMC Coupé" to be used together with "DeLorean"?
Just curious, that's all! :)
Best wishes Stian Birkeland NORWAY
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From: "Richard Cutter" <dmc_power(AT)hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:52:44 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Subject: [DML] Re: dmc northstar conversion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Greetings...
As the "story" goes JZD desired to use the rotory engine origionally and was trying to buy the rights from G/M... It would make a good engine for the "D". I had a RX-7 with it and liked it well. As to anyone doing it, I have not heard of it being done...
Rich Cutter # 5467-NS
William T Wilson wrote:
I've heard of Buick and Chevy V6s, the Northstar V8, a Mazda 13B Wankel, Do you have any more information on the Wankel conversion? I've always thought that the Wankel was somehow the perfect engine conversion for a D due to its small size, and weight, but excellent pickup, but have never actually heard of it being done. It would be very interesting to hear about the performance from such a beast. >Jess
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From: "." <jdl(AT)interax.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:03:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Subject: [DML] wankel conversions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
In addition to the information and relationship between the DMC and the = wankel mentioned below, a number of people over the past couple of years = have been speaking of putting a wankel in the DeLorean. It was also = mentioned in stainless steel illusion as an option considered by = DeLorean and dropped because of expense. It seemed after the RX-7 from = Mazda was discontinued in 95', that the wankel was dead. Well, lo and = behold, the wankel is going to be used in a new version of the RX-7, = which was shown at the Tokyo Auto Show this month and perhaps available = in North America in 2001. Perhaps the odyssey of the wankel has some = life left in it, perhaps as part of a hybird electric/gas configuration = in the future...
David Levey Cleveland 2000
-----Original Message----- From: Jesse D. Sightler [SMTP:jess(AT)activated.com] Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 11:32 PM To: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: dmc northstar conversion
William T Wilson wrote: > I've heard of Buick and Chevy V6s, the Northstar V8, a Mazda 13B = Wankel,
Do you have any more information on the Wankel conversion? I've always = thought that the Wankel was somehow the perfect engine conversion for a = D due to its small size, and weight, but excellent pickup, but have = never actually heard of it being done. It would be very interesting to = hear about the performance from such a beast. :)
------- Jess http://www.biddin.com/delorean/ VIN#5220 Who thinks his RX7 is just swell. :)
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:55:09 -0500 From: Mike Substelny <msubstel(AT)lorainccc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <80sir4+s7d5(AT)eGroups.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Subject: [DML] Re: POLL: Stainless Steel Frame Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
dmc5524(AT)aol.com wrote:
> If money was no option, how many owners > and future owners would replace the original > frame with the Stainless Steel frame from Pearce-Design?
This is an excellent use of the eGroups polling feature. This is much bettert than posting the question to the list, follwed by everyone getting half a dozen messages that just say "yes" or "no" in response. I applaud this poll.
- Mike Substelny
PS: I believe that dmc5524 meant to say "If money were no OBJECT . . ." "If money were no OPTION . . ." is the funniest Freudian slip I've heard in weeks.
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:24:05 -0600 From: Bob Brandys <oehcs(AT)flash.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9911151235370.12110-100000(AT)benatar.snurgle.org> <38315FB5.C4E2E7FF(AT)erols.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Subject: [DML] Re: Engine swaps in violation of EPA law? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
This is a very delicate subject. In California, they allow customization of cars provided you pass emission testing at a referee station.
In Illinois, a car can be exempted as a show car. This is by definition something you drive 1,000 miles per year and only to restricted activities.
The Federal Law on this subject states that all original equipment emission controls must remain on the vehicle. However, the law was never intended to cover vehicles over 100,000 miles use. It was assumed that these vehicles were be minimally used.
California, New Jersey?, New York? and some other states have exempted 25 year and old cars from emission testing. This basically allows changing of the drive train. Check with you own state for exemptions.
Dr. Bob
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:39:21 -0800 From: Darryl Tinnerstet <darryl(AT)techline.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Subject: [DML] Re: muffler heat shields Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> all DeLoreans were fitted with exhaust muffler heat shields
Sorry to disagree, Joe, but #923 was not. I looked very carefully at the lower muffler brackets and compared them to the ones on my other car - the tabs to hold the heat shield were not there and clearly had not been removed. It is the only DeLorean I ever saw that way, but apparently #925 is the same. 923 has resided in Texas since 1995, so if the current owner is online, will he please go out and look, and tell me I'm not totally senile?
Someone else asked about owning more than one DeLorean. In the 14 years I have been driving them, I have owned 6 including the "DeLorean in a bedroom" car with 81 miles on it; plus I have parted out 6 more. For one week in 1995 I actually had 4 at one time. I don't think its that unusual for us fanatics, and when my business was thriving in the pre-divorce days I was able to acquire several real bargains. Five of the 6 I had cost between $3,000 and $10,000 each; 4 were restored and sold for a modest profit and I still have 2 (the 2 cheapest I had purchased). My supercharged car cost $4,000 with either 12 or 17,000 miles on it - I forget which. Bargains are out there if you are willing to search, take a chance, and work. And in the process you can save the "life" of a classic. Of course in my case it did help having some 10,000 "spare parts".
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From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)att.net> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:52:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Subject: [DML] Re: Center Armrest removal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Tom,
You will have to remove the entire console to access the arm rest fasteners. The most difficult part is clearing the wire harness, vacuum line, and accelerator cable lines that are routed through the console.
Plan on taking your time; patience is the secret here. If you run into a glitch feel free to contact us for assistance.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
---------- > From: Watkins Family <watbmv(AT)megalink.net> > > I will be getting a new center armrest soon and I attempted to remove > the old one today. It seems that it's not as easy as it first seemed. > Do you really have to remove the entire center console so you can get at > the 4 nuts holding the piece in place? If so, is this difficult? or > is there a handy-dandy special tool that can get in there without having > to dismantle the console. The space from the ashtray is pretty small so > I would guess I'm going to have to remove it, or at least raise it high > enough to get at those pesky 4 nuts. The manual does seems to be > pretty straight forward but as with most things, it may be deceiving. > > Are there any bolts holding the console in from the bottom of the car? > > Thanks > > Tom > #5732
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:43:53 -0800 From: "Jim Landry" <jimland(AT)home.com> In-Reply-To: <19991116164754.21172.rocketmail(AT)web501.yahoomail.com> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Subject: [DML] Re: Lukewarm Temp Starting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain
I had the same symptoms and the fuel accumulator was the problem. When I replaced the fuel accumulator I cut open (Warning!!! There is a very strong spring inside the unit) the accumulator to see what was making it not work. What I found was part of the rubber coating on the diaphragm inside the unit had dissolved away allowing the fuel pressure to equalize thru the diaphragm. What happened in my case was the car had sat up a long time before I purchased it and the fuel had some water in it. The fuel accumulator is the low point in the fuel system so any water in the fuel eventually collected in the fuel accumulator and deterioated the rubber in the diaphragm.
carson clark <cnsando-(AT)yahoo.com> wrote: original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/?start=4694 > I have talked with sweatyeddie about this and his car is having the > same problem... > > If my cars temperature drops but doesnt cool off entirely the car will > not start-- it will turn over but not start. I have had someone tell > me that it could be a "vapor lock". And eddie said that if you plug > the 'grey' plug into the 'blue' plug, which forces gas into the system, > it starts every time...I have not personally done that yet. > I talked with Don about it from DMC and he said it could be the fuel > system could be starved for fuel. > > Is this a common problem? I know that most of you are probably in cold > weather already, but here in S. CAL it is still warm..;-) Any of you > Mr. Goodwrenches got a fix for us? > > thanks, > > > > > ===== > C > > VIN 16367 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
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From: "." <jdl(AT)interax.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:04:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Subject: [DML] New Gullwing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello fellow DMLers Although a new "DeLorean" may be a myth more than reality, it does = appear that our friends at Lotus will in fact be coming out with a = gullwinged car in the next year or so. The following is a quote from = Autoweek 11/9/99: "Lotus showed a revised M250 concept car at the London Motor Show last = week, with a big hint it plans to produce the care beginning in the = first half of 2001. If and when the mid engined, aluminum composite car = get the green light, it will be ready for North America six to ten = months after its European debut. The big detail change revealed at = London is a pair of scissor doors. Lotus designed a compound angle door = hinge, placed above the front wheel. The door moves slightly away from = the car as it rises. ... Sure sounds like a green (production) light to = us. The M250 sports a 250 Hp, 3.0 liter V6 and a six speed manual = gearbox..." Sounds interesting, no?
David Levey Cleveland
Stan Berkland wrote : I guess a lot of people on this list is curious = about the rumored=20 new DeLorean - the D2 on www.delorean.com I'd like some feedback from those of you on the list who are = DeLorean-owners.... Question: Do you agree that a new DeLorean, if ever produced, should = resemble the original DeLorean from the eighties?
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Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:40:28 -0500 From: James Espey <james(AT)usadmc.com> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Subject: [DML] Tonight's the night! Q and A with Stephen Wynne Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Tonight, November 17 1999, De Lorean Motor Company will be hosting an "Online Q and A" with Stephen Wynne in our eGroups chat room at:
http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=usadmc
In order to access the chat room, you must be subscribed to the De Lorean Motor Company Emailgram, which you can do at:
http://www.usadmc.com/emailgram.html
The "Online Q and A" is scheduled to start at 7:00pm Central Time and will run for one hour. Depending on the participation level, this may be a regular event, so please try and stop by and ask a question or two.
James Espey DeLorean Motor Company Houston, Texas
281/568-9573 800/USA-DMC1 http://www.usadmc.com
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From: mbomberger(AT)analysts.com Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:22:49 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews(AT)egroups.com X-URL: http://www.egroups.com/list/dmcnews/ Subject: [DML] JZD Bio on E Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Guys and Gals,
I'm new to the group, don't own a DeLorean (yet) but really enjoy all the DMC crosstalk. One item of note, tonight at 9 p.m. CST, on "E" (entertainment channel), there will be a documentary on JZD.
Mattman
Vin#..........
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