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----------------------------------------------------------------- 4920. KIRK BRANDON Delorean For Sale 4921. Marc A Levy Re: Volvo engine -- yea or nea? 4922. SteveDMC Re: DeLorean Prices 4923. Martin Gutkowski Re: Huge billboard of a Delorean 4924. yugoman Re: Huge billboard of a Delorean 4925. Kevin Rawlings Poll 4926. Nick Ryan Re: delorean stuff 4927. Lance Haslewood BMW GULLWING 4928. Marc A Levy Re: Deloreans 4929. Carson Clark "We dont work on DeLoreans..." 4930. Jung.Jack@fin.gc.ca Re: BMW GULLWING 4931. Tony Petrarca D questions! 4932. Phil Re: Volvo engine -- yea or nea? 4933. Mike Cutting what made me interesed?? 4934. DMC Joe Re: NLT-DMC = No Longer Totally Disassembled Moto 4935. BRUCE BENSON Re: DeLorean Prices 4936. Robert Brandys Re: Stainless Braided Brake Lines 4937. BondAtomic@aol.com Re: Huge billboard of a Delorean 4938. raddad@cmn.net MODERATE -- james@usadmc.com wants to post a mess 4939. William T Wilson Re: D questions! 4940. UNCLEUMP@aol.com Re: Blown Ignition Coil 4941. BigBenb84@aol.com Billboard D 4942. DeLorean31@aol.com DeLorean Brochure 4943. Dave Price Re: D questions! / DeLorean Club of Oregon (DeCO) 4944. James Espey No engine swap, no turbo, no supercharger 4945. Mike03062@aol.com Re: bad news.... 4946. Mike03062@aol.com Re: NLT-DMC = No Longer Totally Disassembled Moto 4947. Mike03062@aol.com Re: DeLorean Prices 4948. eurojet DeLorean mention in Road and Track 4949. eurojet Won't work on DeLoreans 4950. Jus4sho@aol.com Re: Volvo engine -- yea or nea? 4951. S Levy Re: Delorean For Sale 4952. Kevin Rawlings Re: Deloreans 4953. Danrc30 Re: bad news.... 4954. DMC Joe Re: LEAK! 4955. DMC Joe Re: Volvo engine -- yea or nea? 4956. Josh S. Re: Some answers to Questions regarding Stainless 4957. SteveDMC Lee's DMC Kits 4958. Carson Clark Re: Some answers to Questions regarding Stainless 4959. MaineMan5@aol.com Re: Lee's DMC Kits -----------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: 24 Nov 99 09:27:39 PST From: KIRK BRANDON <DELOREAN02378@netscape.net> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Delorean For Sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If anyone is interested I saw an 83 (rarest year) on the Yahoo auction si= te. It's been stored for the past 7 years but the guy only wants $6,500. So if anyone is looking for a cheap Delorean this could be the one. Don't= get me wrong I'm sure you'll have to drop another $5,000 depending on the condition but I think it's still a good deal. =
Kirk Vin#02378(Stainless) 10246(Blue)
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:15:54 -0500 From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com> References: <383B7096.AE8B3425@ketchum.com> <383BE6D2.1ABF@flash.net> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Volvo engine -- yea or nea? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
1986 Peugeot what??
http://www.vectorbd.com/users/jpl/v6.html lists a 200HP Peugeot 605 starting in 1991, with 24 valves (I assume dual cam heads). But, the 605 was never imported in to the USA.
I remember some back issues that stated the Volvo PRV-6 will NOT fit in to the DMC due to a problem with the oil pan. I could never figure out why you cant just swap the oil pan, but I guess someone out there has tried it. I wonder if the same is true with the Peugeot? Or maybe the internals and heads can just be swapped.
With all of the turbo configurations listed at the above web site making 250+ HP (One is listed as 450HP!), it still bugs me that there is not a better/more reliable turbo set up for the DeLorean.
Robert Brandys wrote: > > The HP numbers are good. Actually the highest naturally asperated > version of this engine could be found in the 1986 Puegot. This engine > was rated at 186 HP. The intake induction system was upgraded and so > was the cam shaft. <SNIP>
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From: "SteveDMC" <SteveDMC@i-55.com> References: <81fum9$iog5@eGroups.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:17:45 -0600 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hopefully prices won't start rising till i get my D. I want to wait about 7 years so that i can complete my education and make a salary good enought to give the car the proper care and love it needs.
I think all of us enthusiasts are hoping the prices will stay as they are until we can afford to join the family. ----- Original Message ----- From: <matthewv@bigpond.com> To: <dmcnews@eGroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 11:56 PM Subject: [DML] DeLorean Prices
> In what direction do you expect DeLorean prices to go in the future, I > see that they have been going down since they were new, but as they > start getting older and rarer they'll probably start to rise again, how > long do you think it will take until the price starts rising? > > Matt > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: > www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: > moderator@dmcnews.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- Create a poll/survey for your group! > -- http://www.egroups.com/vote?listname=dmcnews&m=1 > > >
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:00:55 +0000 From: Martin Gutkowski <webmaster@delorean.co.uk> References: <0.1726ca40.256cb54c@aol.com> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Huge billboard of a Delorean MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Could you post a photo of this billboard on the net?
Cheers,
Martin
CBL302@aol.com wrote:
> Also the Delorean is not about to fade away into the > "sunset",just drive up on Interstate I-91 Northbound in Massachusetts by exit > 13a,and you will see a huge billboard with a picture of a Delorean(about 4X > the size of our cars) to freak you guys out,with the doors wide open
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From: "yugoman" <mdrig@email.msn.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:13:46 -0500 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Huge billboard of a Delorean MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Could someone get a picture of the billboard, and maybe put iut in the vault if it can't be posted? -----Original Message----- From: CBL302@aol.com <CBL302@aol.com> To: dmcnews@egroups.com <dmcnews@egroups.com> Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 1:12 AM Subject: [DML] Huge billboard of a Delorean
>In a message dated 11/23/99 10:05:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, >tgoranflo@phenixlabel.com writes: > ><< here is no way, that without the three BTTF movies, which spanned what? > Three? Four years? That Joe Average himself would have known about the > DeLorean. How many "Joe Average" people know what a DeTomaso is? How about > a Vector? What if The Bandit drove a DeTomaso? People would know what one > is then... >> > >Just drive around in a Bricklin,and you will know exactly what it would be >like if the Delorean had not been in the BTTF movies,every time I gas up or >park my Bricklin,I am asked if it is a Delorean or Ferrari,or What kind of >car is that?Also the Delorean is not about to fade away into the >"sunset",just drive up on Interstate I-91 Northbound in Massachusetts by exit >13a,and you will see a huge billboard with a picture of a Delorean(about 4X >the size of our cars) to freak you guys out,with the doors wide open ,it is a >ad for the Yankee Candle Car Museum (they own/ have a Delorean) > >Claude >000570 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: >www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: >moderator@dmcnews.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-- Create a poll/survey for your group! >-- http://www.egroups.com/vote?listname=dmcnews&m=1 > >
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From: "Kevin Rawlings" <blast59@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 11:29:55 EST X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Poll MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I just set up a poll on egroups, "How did you first find out about the DeLorean?"
VOTE TODAY!
Kevin
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Date: 24 Nov 99 17:15:45 +0000 From: Nick Ryan <nick@imagenow.ie> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: delorean stuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My Delorean is vin#16045. It is here with me in Ireland.
Nick
On 24/11/99, dmcnews wrote: > >hey buy any chance does any one have a vin number = >near >mines i have vin #16072 and its an 83 delorean = >built >in agus. of 82 also stian would u have a window >sticker for my delorean? oh and about the = >insurance >thing im 16 male how much would i cost to insure me >and my delorean? > >efren >ps im still lookin for a back to the future remote >control delorean > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in = >one place. >Yahoo! Shopping. > >--------------------------------------------------- >--------------------- >Before posting messages or replies, see the posting = >policy rules at: >www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > >To address comments privately to the moderating = >team, please address: >moderator@dmcnews.com > >--------------------------------------------------- >--------------------- >-- Create a poll/survey for your group! >-- http://www.egroups.com/vote?listname=3Ddmcnews&m=3D1 > > > > > > >RFC822 header >----------------------------------- > RECEIVED: from SF_Database by POP_Mailbox_- >1268659647 ; 24 NOV 99 17:00:49 UT > Return-path: <dmcnews-return-3755- >nick=3Dimagenow.ie@returns.egroups.com> > Envelope-to: nick@imagenow.ie > Delivery-date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:33:23 +0000 > Received: from ml.egroups.com ([207.138.41.146]) > by mcclure.tinet.ie with smtp (Exim 2.05 #23) > id 11qfMA-0001SA-00 > for nick@imagenow.ie; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 = >16:33:22 +0000 > X-eGroups-Return: dmcnews-return-3755- >nick=3Dimagenow.ie@returns.egroups.com > Received: from [10.1.2.1] by ml.egroups.com with = >NNFMP; 24 Nov 1999 16:33:20 -0000 > Received: (listserv 1.289); by m5; 24 Nov 1999 = >16:33:13 -0000 > Delivered-To: listsaver-egroups- >dmcnews@egroups.com > Received: (qmail 23944 invoked from network); 24 = >Nov 1999 06:17:24 -0000 > Received: from web1001.mail.yahoo.com = >(128.11.23.91) by qg.egroups.com with SMTP; 24 Nov = >1999 06:17:24 -0000 > Message-ID: = ><19991124043044.15209.rocketmail@web1001.mail.yahoo >.com> > Received: from [216.67.19.151] by = >web1001.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:30:44 = >PST > Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:30:44 -0800 (PST) > From: efren hicks <marty_mcflyjr@yahoo.com> > To: dmcnews@egroups.com > Mailing-List: contact dmcnews-owner@egroups.com > X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com > Precedence: bulk > List-Help: = ><http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/info.html>, > <mailto:dmcnews-help@egroups.com> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:dmcnews- >unsubscribe@egroups.com> > List-Archive: = ><http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/> > X-eGroups-Approved-By: raddad@cmn.net via email > Reply-To: dmcnews@egroups.com > Subject: [DML] delorean stuff > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > = >
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:50:28 +1100 From: Lance Haslewood <lanceh@zeta.org.au> In-Reply-To: <199911241028.VAA09324@mailman.zeta.org.au> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] BMW GULLWING MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Could you please provide the URL for the Road and Track website?
Thank you
Lance Haslewood Australia
>From: "eurojet" <eurojet@sdcoe.k12.ca.us> >Subject: [DML] BMW Gullwing > > >I was going through the Road and Track website today and came across some >photos of the new BMW Z9 automobile, complete with gullwing doors. Beauty >of a car and access to the back seat through the opened doors. Keeping my D >though! Fil Vigil.
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:46:56 -0500 From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com> References: <385277227.943439018901.JavaMail.root@web19.pub01> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Deloreans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I am sure you can find answers to all of your questions in the archives.
Delorean Motor Center is in Garden Grove California, which is a short drive south of Los Angeles. Give Don a call. I am sure he has a number of DeLoreans there for you to drool on.
There are also a few BTTF DeLoreans at Universal Studios. When I was there a few months back, there was one (in poor shape) at the BTTF ride, and another parked in the back lot that could be seen on the tram tour.
As far as a drive goes? That I dont know about....
Mr X wrote: <SNIP> > > can someone briefly tell me some stats about the delorean: how many were made, years of production, how much did they cost anew, and for how much can one expect to pick one up today. > > i will be travelling to los angeles over the xmas/new year break and hope to see or even drive a real delorean. anyone willing to help ? > > mr x
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:03:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Clark <cnsandog@yahoo.com> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] "We dont work on DeLoreans..." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
This was what I was told when I contacted San Diego Volvo just now on the telephone and asked them if they would just CHANGE THE OIL in my DMC. The guy said that a year ago they had one in to work on it and something went wrong. Their new policy: "We dont work on DeLoreans..."
I asked "even to change the oil?" he said "nothing at all...we will not touch them."
Oh well.....
===== C
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From: Jung.Jack@fin.gc.ca Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:12:52 -0500 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: BMW GULLWING MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Here it is:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/RoadAndTrack/FrameSet/0,1169,_sl_RoadAndTrack_sl _Article_sl_0_cm_1182_cm_2624_1_2_cm_00,00.html
Alternatively, you can go to www.roadandtrack.com and then do a search for "BMW Z9" (that's how I found it). It looks nice (but not as nice as a DeLorean!)
Jack vin# not yet
> -----Original Message----- > From: Lance Haslewood [SMTP:lanceh@zeta.org.au] > Sent: November 24, 1999 3:50 PM > To: dmcnews@egroups.com > Subject: [DML] BMW GULLWING > > Could you please provide the URL for the Road and Track website? > > Thank you > > Lance Haslewood > Australia > > > > >From: "eurojet" <eurojet@sdcoe.k12.ca.us> > >Subject: [DML] BMW Gullwing > > > > > >I was going through the Road and Track website today and came across some > >photos of the new BMW Z9 automobile, complete with gullwing doors. Beauty > >of a car and access to the back seat through the opened doors. Keeping my > D > >though! Fil Vigil. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: > www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: > moderator@dmcnews.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault > -- http://www.egroups.com/docvault/dmcnews/?m=1 > >
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:38:53 -0800 From: Tony Petrarca <tonyp@imagebuilder.com> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] D questions! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hello to everyone! I've subscribed to this newsgroup for about 4 weeks and have been impressed by the networking regarding the car. For the longest time, I've been under the impression that D owners were far-and-few inbetween, but someone told me about this newsgroup. I'm thrilled to see such interest!
I have a couple questions...
1. Can someone explain the Volvo connection better? I find many people refer to the powerplant as a Peugot/Renault/Volvo engine, and that a number of car parts can be found through Volvo dealerships?
2. I am interested in driving a D to get a better feel for it. It's one thing to know stats on it, but I'd like to try behind the wheel! Does anyone know of a rental company in Portland, OR that would rent-a-D for a day? I WILL own one one day, but would like to know how they drive. I'd ask my neighbor who has one, but he doesn't drive his (bad idea!).
Thanks for the input!
-tony "try to convince people that the D is one of the best cars/concepts ever created" petrarca
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From: "Phil" <delorean@usfamily.net> References: <383B7096.AE8B3425@ketchum.com> <383BE6D2.1ABF@flash.net> <383C396A.386E35EB@dnrc.bell-labs.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:01:20 -0600 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Volvo engine -- yea or nea? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I do want to say also that in Europe the PRV-V6, was rated at 156bhp@5,700rpm and the torque at 173lb/ft@3,000rpm. This situation as we all know is worse in America, because of the "Dark Days" (emission ratings)
-Phil philf@ssesco.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com> To: <dmcnews@egroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 1:15 PM Subject: [DML] Re: Volvo engine -- yea or nea?
> 1986 Peugeot what?? > > http://www.vectorbd.com/users/jpl/v6.html lists a 200HP Peugeot 605 > starting in 1991, with 24 valves (I assume dual cam heads). But, the > 605 was never imported in to the USA. > > I remember some back issues that stated the Volvo PRV-6 will NOT fit in > to the DMC due to a problem with the oil pan. I could never figure out > why you cant just swap the oil pan, but I guess someone out there has > tried it. I wonder if the same is true with the Peugeot? Or maybe the > internals and heads can just be swapped. > > With all of the turbo configurations listed at the above web site making > 250+ HP (One is listed as 450HP!), it still bugs me that there is not a > better/more reliable turbo set up for the DeLorean. > > Robert Brandys wrote: > > > > The HP numbers are good. Actually the highest naturally asperated > > version of this engine could be found in the 1986 Puegot. This engine > > was rated at 186 HP. The intake induction system was upgraded and so > > was the cam shaft. > <SNIP> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: > www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: > moderator@dmcnews.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- 20 megs of disk space in your group's Document Vault > -- http://www.egroups.com/docvault/dmcnews/?m=1 > >
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From: "Mike Cutting" <mcutting@ntl.sympatico.ca> References: <199911241323.IAA01367@ns1.nt.net> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:46:59 -0500 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] what made me interesed?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > (snip) I would not be surprised if almost a third or > half of all DeLorean owners became interested originally in the car because > of these movies. Sounds like a good poll for egroups. "What made you a fan > of the DeLorean?" >
it was 1982. i was 11 years old, and riding my bike to school. a guy drove by me in a delorean, and i was hooked. i have obsessed over these cars for almost 2/3 of my life. i wanted to buy one when i was in high school, but could never find one and if i had, probably wouldn't have been able to afford it. i am now working in my field of choice, and though i am by no means rich beyond belief, i can afford my toy (in winter storage for over a month.. :-( can't wait 'till april!! ). i bought her in june... it's a dream come true.
people often ask me if i had wanted it ever since seeing bttf, and i always tell them that i have wanted the car long before bttf came out.
just my $.02
:) mike cutting 11434 http://www.nt.net/~mcutting
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From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@att.net> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:38:05 -0500 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: NLT-DMC = No Longer Totally Disassembled Motor Car MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Dave,
It looks like you have done your homework.I was a little surprised on the sacristy of talk about the electrical system.
The DeLorean electrical system had hundreds of production changes that were never documented. Much of the information that did make it to print, is incomplete or, in some cases, incorrect. For example, with the exception of the master wiring schematic, there is no information on the wiring of the main relay section. Have you planned on how you will handle this and other electrical mysteries.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net> Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
---------- > From: Dave Stragand <dave.stragand@ketchum.com> > To: eGroups Digest <dmcnews@egroups.com> > Subject: [DML] NLT-DMC = No Longer Totally Disassembled Motor Car > Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 11:54 PM > > Well, > > Things are progressing slowly on #5927... As some of you may recall, > this is the totally disassembled D that I bought last month. I figured > out that for anything to be worthwhile, there has to be some sort of > 12-step plan to do it, am I right? =) > > Here's my plan: > > step one: suspension & steering linkage > step two: running all the lines/wires along the frame > step three: reattaching the pontoon > step four: radiator > step five: fuel tank > step six: interior air box assemblies & dash reassembly > step seven: transmission and linkage > step eight: engine block > step nine: engine bolt-ons & turbos > step ten: body > step eleven: interior, windshield, rear glass > step twelve: tuning, safety checks, final touches > > -Dave Stragand
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From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@worldnet.att.net> References: <81fum9$iog5@eGroups.com> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:11:08 -0600 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I bought my DeLorean new from a Porsche/Audi/ DeLorean dealer. On the show floor, next to a DeLorean, was a 928 Porsche with a sticker price of $48,000 1981 dollars. The DeLorean was discounted to $19,995 at that time. Today 1981 928 Porsches can be found quite readily for under $10,000 while a nice DeLorean can fetch from $15 to $20,000. What more can you say?
Bruce Benson
> In what direction do you expect DeLorean prices >to go in the future, I see that they have been going >down since they were new,
> Matt
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:33:03 -0600 From: Robert Brandys <oehcs@flash.net> References: <0.cdb2aa60.256b7290@aol.com> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Stainless Braided Brake Lines MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Marty, I am interested in a set. BTW can you read excel files? I can send you a draft of the first part of the article.
Bob
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From: BondAtomic@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:21:22 EST X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Huge billboard of a Delorean MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hey, do you maybe have a number we can call about that museum?
John Feldman
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:39:41 -0700 (MST) From: raddad@cmn.net X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] MODERATE -- james@usadmc.com wants to post a message to dmcnews MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
NOTE: The following message is clearly commercial. It is being posted not becasue fo the author's identity, but because it is DeLorean related and because of the constantly expressed interest in the subject. Other vendors or private parties selling DeLorean related items are free to post here as well.
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Dick Ryan - Moderator of the Week >/=========================[ Message to dmcnews ]==========================\ >From: James Espey <james@usadmc.com> >To: dmcnews@egroups.com >Subject: No engine swap, no turbo, no supercharger >Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:02:25 -0500 > >The nearly universal complaint about the DeLorean has always been that the >performance doesn't match the looks or image the car has. > >You can put a single or twin turbo on the car - Cost $5,000 to $7,000 > >You can swap the engine - Cost $5,000 to $25,000 or more > >Each has their drawbacks, from cost...reliability...durability. > >Imagine your stock PRV-V6 being massaged and transformed from 130hp to >200hp, without turbos, superchargers, or any hocus-pocus. Just an honest >200hp motor, with the dyno tests to prove it. Imagine the work being done >on your good condition engine for $3500, or getting a completely new motor >with these mods for $6,500. Imagine it even being warranteed. > >In the year 2000, DeLorean Performance will no longer be an oxymoron. > >Subscribe to the De Lorean Motor Company Newsletter for details. > >http://www.usadmc.com/emailgram.html > >James Espey >DeLorean Motor Company >Houston, Texas > >281/568-9573 >800/USA-DMC1 >http://www.usadmc.com > > > > >\=========================================================================/ > > >------[ How to Approve or Reject ]------ > >Please decide if you as moderator approve the enclosed message for >distribution to the dmcnews group. You can make your decision >effective either by e-mail or through the web. > >To accept or reject on the Web, simply go to the 'My Groups' >interface at: > >http://www.egroups.com/listman?listname=dmcnews&method=display_events > >By e-mail, to approve the message and have it immediately sent to all >group subscribers, please send a blank message to: > > dmcnews-accept-27m9457@egroups.com > >To reject it by e-mail and have it returned to the sender, send a >message to: > > dmcnews-reject-a4m9457@egroups.com > >------[ Rejection Comment ]------------- > >You do not need to copy the message in your response to accept or >reject it. If you wish to send a comment to the sender of this >post, please include the comment in the text of your reply >between two marker lines starting with ###( and ###). > >###( ><rejection comment goes here> >###) > >Thanks! > >eGroups.com - The easiest way for groups of people to communicate! >http://www.egroups.com > > >
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:03:07 -0500 (EST) From: William T Wilson <fluffy@snurgle.org> In-Reply-To: <l03102800b46209d3af89@[192.168.10.51]> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: D questions! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On Wed, 24 Nov 1999, Tony Petrarca wrote:
> 1. Can someone explain the Volvo connection better? I find many people > refer to the powerplant as a Peugot/Renault/Volvo engine, and that a > number of car parts can be found through Volvo dealerships?
The DeLorean PRV-6 was used in cars made by all three of those manufacturers. 760 and 240 Volvos of the era are the most common, though the Peugeot 505 and Eagle Premier used it too. However, the DeLorean version of the engine differs slightly from those used on the other cars, so the engines are not identically interchangeable. Volvo calls the engine the B28F. There are other versions of the PRV engine.
The PRV engine was chosen for a variety of reasons. First, JZD wanted to use a European made engine. The logistics are simpler when the engine manufacturer is near to the assembly plant. Secondly, the American car companies didn't like JZD very much and didn't want to sell him engines. But had the DMC-12 actually been made in Puerto Rico, I wouldn't be surprised if we would have DeLoreans with Chrysler engines in them. :}
The PRV had several advantages. It was a lightweight engine that was produced in very large quantities. It had good fuel economy. It was already emissions-certified in the United States. And, this particular version of the PRV was an extremely reliable engine (not all PRV versions are of the same quality. So if someone tells you they heard the engines were garbage, they are thinking of some other PRV version). It did have one disadvantage, which was the cost. I believe DMC had to pay almost $5000 apiece for the engines.
JZD originally considered several other engines, including GM, Citroen, and Mazda wankels (none of which worked - GM over licensing, Citroen over... uh... I don't know why, and Mazda over volume and logistics), Citroen and Ford 4-cylinder engines (both of which were simply not powerful enough) and I believe, also 4-cylinder Volvos. Unfortunately, the combination of weight, emissions, and fuel economy eliminated V8 and large V6 engines from consideration. The PRV was, given the alternatives, the best choice at the time.
> 2. I am interested in driving a D to get a better feel for it. It's one
That's a little trickier. The best thing you can do is find someone who's selling one and ask to test drive it. The problem is that many (most) D sellers will want "serious inquiries only." I know I would.
It should be relatively easy to get someone to give you a ride. Most DeLorean owners love to show off their cars (which look even better in person than they do in pictures). You'll get a pretty good feel for the car just by that. But I don't think, really, the test drive is going to be the deciding factor. For a car like the DeLorean, it really shouldn't be. Owning a DeLorean is about wanting to put in the time it takes to maintain the car well, about owning a unique car with historical value, and about enjoying all the attention you get. The car is comfortable and easy to drive enough that anyone who wants one ought to be able to put up with it.
> day? I WILL own one one day, but would like to know how they drive. > I'd ask my neighbor who has one, but he doesn't drive his (bad idea!).
Why not? If he doesn't want it, maybe he'll give it to you. Sound like a deal? :}
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From: UNCLEUMP@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:36:54 EST X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Blown Ignition Coil MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
In a message dated 11/24/99 11:41:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, oehcs@flash.net writes:
<< I find your coil failure to be very interesting. During dyno testing of the DeLoreans all but one showed coil problems between 4700 and 5000 rpm. Did you have any high rpm operational problems, prior to this failure? >>
I rarely ever drive it, but there were no symptoms of anything wrong when driving. In fact, two days prior to the break down, it ran the best it ever had!
mATT #6770 (back in the garage recouperating)
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From: BigBenb84@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:39:42 EST X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Billboard D MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I went to a Yankee Candle store in Freehold Mall in NJ. and I saw a brochure for the Yankee Musuem and on the front bottom was a DeLorean and it said "1981 DMC-12" and above that it said "Cars that make you say wow!"............they had a bunch of pictures of all kinds of cars.
Ben Brennan vin..........not yet
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From: DeLorean31@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:44:46 EST X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] DeLorean Brochure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Thought some fellow DeLorean collectors would find this as amusing as I did. Check out Item #206735145 on ebay. If this was really the value of this item what would our cars then be worth? :)
Gary
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From: "Dave Price" <davep2@clipper.net> References: <l03102800b46209d3af89@[192.168.10.51]> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:49:52 -0800 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: D questions! / DeLorean Club of Oregon (DeCO) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> 2. I am interested in driving a D to get a better feel for it. It's one > thing to know stats on it, but I'd like to try behind the wheel! Does > anyone know of a rental company in Portland, OR that would rent-a-D for a > day? I WILL own one one day, but would like to know how they drive. I'd ask > my neighbor who has one, but he doesn't drive his (bad idea!). >
There are quite a few DeLorean owners in the Portland area, and even a DeLorean club based out of Portland. The events are planned mostly for the summer time, though I only seem to make it up for the annual planning meeting at the beginning of the year ;) .... Perhaps you could hook up with one someone at one of the events...
BTW: When is next year's annual meeting Knut? I have to make my cameo!!
- Dave
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:02:25 -0500 From: James Espey <james@usadmc.com> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] No engine swap, no turbo, no supercharger MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
The nearly universal complaint about the DeLorean has always been that the performance doesn't match the looks or image the car has.
You can put a single or twin turbo on the car - Cost $5,000 to $7,000
You can swap the engine - Cost $5,000 to $25,000 or more
Each has their drawbacks, from cost...reliability...durability.
Imagine your stock PRV-V6 being massaged and transformed from 130hp to 200hp, without turbos, superchargers, or any hocus-pocus. Just an honest 200hp motor, with the dyno tests to prove it. Imagine the work being done on your good condition engine for $3500, or getting a completely new motor with these mods for $6,500. Imagine it even being warranteed.
In the year 2000, DeLorean Performance will no longer be an oxymoron.
Subscribe to the De Lorean Motor Company Newsletter for details.
http://www.usadmc.com/emailgram.html
James Espey DeLorean Motor Company Houston, Texas
281/568-9573 800/USA-DMC1 http://www.usadmc.com
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From: Mike03062@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:34:31 EST X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: bad news.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Don Kaz
I am afraid that your age and sex is a liability to these lockstep insurance companies who paint all young guys with the same brush. Unfortunately they don't realize that anyone who understands the intrinsic value and pleasure of DeLorean Ownership is mature enough to not have a death wish!!!
DMD in NH
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From: Mike03062@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:01:49 EST X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: NLT-DMC = No Longer Totally Disassembled Motor Car MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
WTG Dave
I've been there with a 1957 T Bird 20 years ago, and I know how discouraging it can be. Hang in there I fanally finished it I am sure you will as well. It's worth it.
DMD in NH
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From: Mike03062@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:18:16 EST X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: DeLorean Prices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Mike
Limited edition vehicles, over the years take about 25 years to become very collectable. The DeLorean is somewhat unique. First you don't see many rusted out "D" s yet they were considered a sports car, in competition with the vette, so some became parts cars due to crashes. While the Internet has helped the proliferation of the DeLorean. it has temporarily lowered the price. Today It is a buyers market since Deloreans from around the country are available for sale within a keystroke. Soon The Internet will also promote the value of the "D" and the price will escalate. The beauty of a "D" as an investment is you can touch, polish, drive and brag about your car while it appreciates.
DMD in NH
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From: "eurojet" <eurojet@sdcoe.k12.ca.us> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:24:03 -0800 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] DeLorean mention in Road and Track MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
If you go to roadandtrack.com and enter DeLorean in the search box it'll take you to a nice article on the design history of the Lamborghini Miura and the Ferrari 365. They talk about the Italian designers and mention the DeLorean as one of their creations. Nice company to be in and these two cars go from between $75-150K today! Distant cousins of our beloved DeLoreans and perhaps a vision of the value of our cars to come. Fil Vigil.
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From: "eurojet" <eurojet@sdcoe.k12.ca.us> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:34:53 -0800 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Won't work on DeLoreans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Please contact me Carson Clark of San Diego! I live here too and not only found a place that would change my oil but they even let me watch! Fil Vigil. eurojet@juno.com
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From: Jus4sho@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:54:51 EST X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Volvo engine -- yea or nea? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
DMCJOE, would you expand on some of the differences between the Volvo and the D motor?
Thanks
Steve
VIN 2650
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From: "S Levy" <slevy007@mindspring.com> References: <19991124172739.19049.qmail@www0m.netaddress.usa.net> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:48:41 -0500 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Delorean For Sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
yeah it turns out that it needs about $15k of work, inlcuding some body
work and rust, new fule injection, and many other mechanical problems. This
doesnt seem like a good car to buy, especially for someone who doesnt have
the money or the time ot fix it up.
Later,
Steve (Badda-Bing)
"No I dont drink and drive, I might spill it." -EVH 1992
slevy007@mindspring.com
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Cabaret/8634
ICQ : http://www.icq.com
# 13742518
=VH= ----- Original Message ----- From: KIRK BRANDON <DELOREAN02378@netscape.net> To: <DMCNEWS@EGROUPS.COM> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 12:27 PM Subject: [DML] Delorean For Sale
If anyone is interested I saw an 83 (rarest year) on the Yahoo auction site. It's been stored for the past 7 years but the guy only wants $6,500. So if anyone is looking for a cheap Delorean this could be the one. Don't get me wrong I'm sure you'll have to drop another $5,000 depending on the condition but I think it's still a good deal.
Kirk Vin#02378(Stainless) 10246(Blue)
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From: "Kevin Rawlings" <blast59@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:31:34 EST X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Deloreans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Your best bet would be to get a copy of the book "DeLorean: Stainless Steel Illusion" The book is rare and expensive, but I got a hold of a copy by getting the local library to put a call out for the book all across Ontario (Canada). BTW: I got the book within 2 weeks.
Kevin DRIVE STAINLESS
>hello guys, i recently joined this group ... out of sheer interest. the >recent mails about the delorean / bttf stuff has prompt me to write >(although i do respect the reminder to cut the bttf crap.... ) > >well, i for one had read about the delorean and the man behind it years >ago, while still at school. it was in an article outlining the "failure" >of the man, rather than the car itself ... but surprisingly that left an >effect on me. i guess i am just one of those people who have a soft spot >for the underdogs. > >anyway, having lived in malaysia and australia over the years, i have never >seen a delorean for real. but i did drive the first honda nsx to land in >sydney on the 21 jan 1991. but to me - someone very much an unintiated >delorean fan - the car has a certain kind of exoticness, unmatched by any >other make. > >can someone briefly tell me some stats about the delorean: how many were >made, years of production, how much did they cost anew, and for how much >can one expect to pick one up today. > >i will be travelling to los angeles over the xmas/new year break and hope >to see or even drive a real delorean. anyone willing to help ? > >mr x >__________________________________________________ >FREE Email for ALL! Sign up at http://www.mail.com > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: >www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > >To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: >moderator@dmcnews.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >eGroups.com Home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews/ >http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > >
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From: "Danrc30" <Danrc30@hotmail.com> References: <002201bf35fa$1c62db00$b58fcdcf@default> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:00:51 -0500 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: bad news.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I don't know about that, I have state farm and I had no problems insuring my D as a regular car with full coverage. An my rates are pretty reasonable too.
---Dan
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> I'm an 18 year old male and got insurance for my DeLorean--eventually. > First of all, I'm NOT listed as the primary driver of it. I'm listed under > the least valued car, the Yukon which I hardly ever drive. I'm still > covered for the other cars including the D. > > We do this mainly to save money. If I was listed as the primary driver on > my daily car, a 93 Allante, my insurance would be upwards of $3000-$4000 > every six months. With the Yukon, I'm paying about $900 every six months > and still have the same coverage and rights as I would paying 2-3 grand > more. > > Now, I did have a problem with State Farm taking the D. They wouldn't put > it under a normal policy, it had to go under the "classic car" policy which > has limits the milage to under 2000 annually. It listed at $20,000 with a > $1,000 deductable. I think we pay $124 bucks every six months for it. (But > that's with multi car, good student discount, no reported violations) > > So if you're having this much trouble you may need to insure under someone > else's name with you as a secondary driver of the car. But if you insure > that car alone with another company, don't forget that you'll pay a second > set of premiums. That's why I had to stay with State Farm. > > Good luck!! > > --Jonathan #000697 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: > www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: > moderator@dmcnews.com > > -- Create a poll/survey for your group! > -- http://www.egroups.com/vote?listname=dmcnews&m=1 > > > > >
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From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@att.net> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:14:39 -0500 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: LEAK! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Carson,
The all metal heavy duty radiators are available from PJ Grady for $289.75.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net> Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
---------- > From: Carson Clark <cnsandog@yahoo.com> > To: dmcnews@egroups.com > Subject: [DML] Re: LEAK! > Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 12:25 PM > > thanks Joe....what you said makes sense....I will have to see if i can > get a wrench on that sucker and tighten it up.... > > I could have sworn it looked like a metal radiator, but it was dark. > What do the newer radiators go for? > > > thanks again.... > > C > > > > > > --- DMC Joe <DMCJOE@att.net> wrote: > > Carson, > > You have an original factory installed radiator that has a removable > > cap. > > There is a seal under the cap that may be bad. The cap has a 21mm > > wrench > > fitting molded at its top. You can try to tighten the cap to stop the > > leak. > > If that doesn't work you could try to apply a sealer at the cap lip. > > Keep > > in mind that this is a factory original radiator that is made of > > plastic > > and is 18 years old which makes it brittle. Be very cautious when > > applying > > pressure to any of the plastic sections. > > > > You would be doing yourself and your DeLorean a big favor if you > > replace > > the factory plastic radiator with an all metal replacement available > > from > > PJ Grady and DMC Houston. > > > > DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net> > > Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com> > > > > ---------- > > > From: Carson Clark <cnsandog@yahoo.com> > > > To: DMC Group <dmcnews@egroups.com> > > > Subject: [DML] LEAK! > > > Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 8:39 PM > > > > > > Well my new (to me) 83 DMC with only 37K miles has had its second > > major > > > problem.... > > > > > > It is leaking radiator fluid from the radiator. If you look behind > > the > > > drivers side front wheel and look at the top of the radiator you > > see a > > > cap. It looks like a cap that could be unscrewed. The leakage is > > > looks like it is comming from there..... > > > > > > Can that cap be tightened? > > > > > > Is this a common problem? > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > C > > > > > > VIN 16367 > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules > > at: > > > www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > > > > > > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please > > address: > > > moderator@dmcnews.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > -- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! > > > -- http://www.egroups.com/cal?listname=dmcnews&m=1 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: > > www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > > > > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: > > moderator@dmcnews.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews > > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Before posting messages or replies, see the posting policy rules at: > www.dmcnews.com/Admin/rules.html > > To address comments privately to the moderating team, please address: > moderator@dmcnews.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/dmcnews > http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications > > >
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From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE@att.net> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:27:59 -0500 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Volvo engine -- yea or nea? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
When the Volvo version of the PRV-6 was selected for the DeLorean it was realized that the engine was too tall for the existing engine compartment. A new crankcase was designed to off set the oil pan which allowed the engine to sit several inches lower on the frame.
There are many other modifications required when attempting a Volvo retrofit.
Because of the availability of new factory original DeLorean PRV's retrofitting is not cost effective.
DMC Joe / DeLorean Services / <dmcjoe@att.net> Web Site: <http://www.deloreanservices.com>
---------- > From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com> > > 1986 Peugeot what?? > > I remember some back issues that stated the Volvo PRV-6 will NOT fit in > to the DMC due to a problem with the oil pan. I could never figure out > why you cant just swap the oil pan, but I guess someone out there has > tried it. I wonder if the same is true with the Peugeot? Or maybe the > internals and heads can just be swapped. > > With all of the turbo configurations listed at the above web site making > 250+ HP (One is listed as 450HP!), it still bugs me that there is not a > better/more reliable turbo set up for the DeLorean. > > Robert Brandys wrote: > > > > The HP numbers are good. Actually the highest naturally asperated > > version of this engine could be found in the 1986 Puegot. This engine > > was rated at 186 HP. The intake induction system was upgraded and so > > was the cam shaft. > <SNIP>
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:33:25 EST From: "Josh S." <now.here@mindless.com> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Some answers to Questions regarding Stainless Steel Frame Strength (was History Channel Documentory) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Given the general concern about stainless steel frame cracking, I dropped a message off to Bryan Pearce from Pearce Design ( http://www.pearce-design.com ) The designer and maker of the Perma Frame. Here is his reply to me, I am posting it to the DML list to help get information out to where it will be used :-)
Just as a side note, I am not affiliated with Bryan Pearce, or Pearce Design. I'm just a DeLorean enthusiast working towards his chance to Live the Dream ....
-Josh S. now.here@mindless.com DeLorean Enthusiast vin: not just yet ... ------------------------------- I was part of that strange race of people aptly described as spending their lives doing things they detest to make money they don't want to buy things they don't need to impress people they dislike. -- Emile Henry Gauvreay
----- Begin Forwarded Message -------- Hello Joshua,
>Dear Bryan, > There is a current thread on the DML which has noted problems with >Stainless Steel cracking at extremely low temperatures, not being >familiar with the properties of stainless as a frame material, I >figured rather than going by heresay I would go to one who has spent >obviously tremendous amounts of effort in the design of a replacment >stainless steel frame for the DeLorean, and used it in the (shall I >say cold?) Illinois winters.
I usually try to follow the list, but I am about 10 months behind. Yes, I have had the DeLorean out in some pretty nasty conditions.
>As I fully expect the potential of having to replace the frame at some >point of any D that I purchase due to rust problems, your frame appears >to be an extremely good alternative to a rusted out frame, and >clarification on a quote by Claude ( email:CBL302@aol.com vin? 000570) >regarding stainless as a frame material from your perspective as an >engineer in stainless and supporter of the DeLorean marquee would be >helpful.
I will try to be as helpful as possible.
>Claude said on Sat 13 Nov 1999: >"Sorry,if it sounds that way,but Lotus Should have run extensive tests >on that process [epoxy coating the steel frame] before it was used on >our Deloreans,after all JZD already knew the reason why he did not > want >to use a Stainless Steel frame was,because of possible frame cracking >at certain sub-zero temperatures so at the last moment he decided to >go with the epoxy coated frames instead,Who knows maybe the DMC2, >may be created as originally planned.(If it is ever created)."
Actually, during some correspondence with John DeLorean, he mentioned that they were never able to get the Stainless Steel frame to pass a stress test. The Stainless would crack. He did not mention failure specific to just cold temperatures.
>Is this cracking a problem that is likely to happen with a PermaFrame?
This was a concern when we began the design of the PermaFrame so it was important to try and determine what forces were being exerted on the frame to cause it to crack. Obviously, unless energy can be disbursed adequately across the surface of any material, something has to give. Two key problems existed with the original Stainless frame. First, the radius of the bends in the material were too tight. Second, spot welds were used to hold the frame together. Correcting both of these problems has resulted in a great frame for the DeLorean. We currently have a car with over 70,000 miles on the PermaFrame without any problems.
>Is it that the original design with the thinner stainless that is >likely to have been used in the original stainless frame likely to >have been the problem?
More likely are the items mentioned above.
>Are you familiar with what kind of temperatures would >be likely to cause that kind of problem in stainless steel?
Not sure about this, but if you make any material cold enough it will be more likely to crack or shatter. I have had the car out on -50 degree nights before and not experienced any problems.
>Any light >you would be able to shed onto this subject for me and other members >of the DML would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for >your time and assistance.
I hope that I was able to provide the answers you were looking for. Take care and enjoy your DeLorean.
Bryan Pearce ------ End forwarded Message --------------
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From: "SteveDMC" <SteveDMC@i-55.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:48:59 -0600 X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Lee's DMC Kits MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF3732.ADE19D80" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:47:28 -0800 (PST) From: Carson Clark <cnsandog@yahoo.com> X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Some answers to Questions regarding Stainless Steel Frame Strength (was History Channel Documentory) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
How much do these frames cost?
How much do you think it would cost to install?
(estimates of course)
C VIN 16367
--- "Josh S." <now.here@mindless.com> wrote: > Given the general concern about stainless steel frame cracking, I > dropped a message off to Bryan Pearce from Pearce Design ( > http://www.pearce-design.com ) The designer and maker of the Perma > Frame. > Here is his reply to me, I am posting it to the DML list to help get > information out to where it will be used :-) >
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From: MaineMan5@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:10:41 EST X-Mailing-List: dmcnews@egroups.com Subject: [DML] Re: Lee's DMC Kits MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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