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Friday, October 17 1997 Volume 03 : Number 291
In this issue:
Re: DML: Value of DMC after an accident
DML: Car owner satisfaction survey, partial results.
DML: November 1 event.
Re: DML: Re: BTTF DeLoreans
Re: DML: acceleration problems
DML: November event in Columbus
Re: DML: Car owner satisfaction survey, partial results.
Re: DML: Re: BTTF DeLoreans
DML: FW: Bricklin display request
DML: The DCO at the Ashtabula Covered Bridge Festival
DML: Interior fan wiring
DML: '81 DMC for sale
Re: DML: Re: BTTF DeLoreans
DML: Looking for Aluminum Radiator Fluid Reservoir
Re: DML: Trunk/Hood seals and Window Regulator(motor)
Re: DML: Trunk/Hood seals and Window Regulator(motor)
Re: DML: Trunk/Hood seals
DML: Columbus - just two weeks & two days away!
Re: DML: Trunk/Hood seals and Window Regulator(motor)
DML: *IMPORTANT* safety info about windshield replacement
DML: Confusion about the DMC
Re: DML: Interior fan wiring
DML: Delorean collection must go
Re: DML: Confusion about the DMC
DML: Car ownership survey accepts DeLoreans once again
DML: Automobile Hall of Fame -- Muscle Car
DML: RE: Car ownership survey accepts DeLoreans once again
Re: DML: *IMPORTANT* safety info about windshield replacement
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:16:25 -0400
From: "Michael E. Gaines"
Subject: Re: DML: Value of DMC after an accident
>My '81 DMC-12 was in awesome condition before it got rear-ended in July
>this
>year. I would like to bring it forward to the insurance company that my
>car
>has been devalued. How can I do this?
Brian and all,
That might be tough. I was rear-ended twice last year and my D was
fixed up perfectly both times.
Mike
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:01:35 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Car owner satisfaction survey, partial results.
Remember that cartalk.com car ownership satisfaction survey I
mentioned a few months back?
Well, the statistical survey results are still not ready, but the comments
are currently available by car / year. It looks like so far they have
gotten
32 of us to fill out the survey for DeLoreans, perhaps this is even
enought to publish the results. I would really like to see a valid
comparison of owner satisfaction and reliability for DeLoreans compared
to other cars.
Anyone who wants to get into what they call "the greatest car
ownership database ever compiled" can still take the survey. As I recall
it takes 20 minutes or so. It is on the web at:
http://cartalk.msn.com/Info/newsurvey.html
If you want to read the comments they have accumulated so far, they
are curently available at:
http://cartalk.msn.com/Survey/Results/
So far it looks like we DeLorean owners love our cars. Note that a few
people have mistakenly claimed that they own 1992 and 1993
DeLoreans. I expect they will throw out this data when they do the
analysis.
Some cars, like the Camry, have HUNDREDS or entries, so the sample of
32 DeLoreans may be too small to count. When the statistical analysis is
published I will mention it on the DML.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:23:19 -0400
From: Marc Levy
Subject: DML: November 1 event.
Sheez!!! I really really wanted to go to this! I know Halloween is not
much of a holiday, but I have a annual commitment to be at (and DJ) a
party on Nov. 1
Yea, yea, yea... Like you care
So, when's the NEXT tour going to be?! I want to set the date in my
calendar NOW!
Marc
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 19:28:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Re: BTTF DeLoreans
We were just at universal and the cars were not there. Aslo none of the
employees knew anything about where they went other than to say they used
to
be there.
Universal also has some of the worst miniature cars (I wouldn't insult
matchbox) and the larger plastic one is a joke. There is nothing there
but a
few T-Shirts. And if you are a BTTF fan the Hill Valley ring is nice but
thats about it. I complained enough they sold me a coffee mug for half
price. Most of the stuff there doesn't even relate to a DeLorean or Back
to
the Future.
Don't feel bad none of the other cars were in good shape either. They
take
you on a tour of their junk yard and it is a junkyard.
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:11:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Buster Bunny
Subject: Re: DML: acceleration problems
On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, Travis H. Graham wrote:
> This is a bit hard to describe, but: Whenever I try to accelerate =
> moderately or quickly, the car starts to shake. It feels like the car =
> gives up power several instances per second anytime I step on the gas =
> any harder than lightly. This problem started about a week ago and =
> appears to only occur after the engine is warm. I already tried =
My suggestions (and keep in mind that I am not a professional auto
mechanic or a DMC owner) would be to check the fuel filter, sock filter
inside the fuel tank, and most importantly the electrical connections to
the fuel pump. I'd appreciate being informed as to the resolution to this
problem as I seem to be having a very similar problem with my similar to,
but non-DMC automobile.
What I've done so far on that car has been to replace the sock filter in
the fuel tank (which needed it, but didn't affect the problem). I didn't
replace the fuel filter because it had already been changed a couple
months prior to this due to routine service. But the thing which
alleviated the problem for a couple weeks was to minimally clean the
electrical connections to the fuel pump. My problem, however, has
returned, but I haven't had a chance to get under the car (where the fuel
pump is located) and thouroughly clean the connections.
> injector cleaner, but that didn't solve the problem. If you have any =
Tried that too, didn't think it was the problem, but it's not a bad idea
to use that stuff occasionally anyhow. It would also be a good idea to
check the fuel pressure if you have access to gauges for doing that. (I
don't, unfortunatly) There's also the chance that your fuel pump is going
bad, or that the problem is not related to the fuel system at all. As I
said before, I'm not a professional mechanic and therefore lack experience
with a wide variety of problems.
Hope this helps,
-buster(AT)fdt.net
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:52:38 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: November event in Columbus
Marc Levy said:
> I know Halloween is not much of a holiday, but I have a annual
> commitment to be at (and DJ) a party on Nov. 1 So,
> when's the NEXT tour going to be?! I want to set the date in my
> calendar NOW!
I am pretty sure this is the only time this event will ever happen. I
have a
wedding to go to Nov 1, but I will break my neck to be there on Nov 2
because we will never have another chance to do this again in our lives.
If you can make it Sunday, Marc, it might be just you and me.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:21:34 -0500
From: Bill Marcussen
Subject: Re: DML: Car owner satisfaction survey, partial results.
Mike Substelny wrote:
> Anyone who wants to get into what they call "the greatest car
> ownership database ever compiled" can still take the survey. As I
> recall
> it takes 20 minutes or so. It is on the web at:
>
> http://cartalk.msn.com/Info/newsurvey.html
Thanks for the reminder about this survey. I just tried to take it but
was blocked because it requires the selection of a model but doesn't
provide any model to select. How did you get around this obstacle?
Thanks,
Bill
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:23:45 -0600 (MDT)
From: bttfdmc(AT)connect.ab.ca
Subject: Re: DML: Re: BTTF DeLoreans
Which Universal Stuidos did you go to, the Florida or Hollywood
Theme Park?
I find the Hollywood Park much more knowledgable about these
sort of things, unlike the Florida Park.
I say we should convince Universal to just sell there BTTF
DeLoreans since they don't do anything with them already
but let them rought away. I'm sure there a many DMC owners
who would purchase a BTTF DMC. I know I would!
Best
Randy Atamaniuk
Vin #16353
At 07:28 PM 10/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>We were just at universal and the cars were not there. Aslo none of the
>employees knew anything about where they went other than to say they used
>to be there.
>Universal also has some of the worst miniature cars (I wouldn't insult
>matchbox) and the larger plastic one is a joke. There is nothing there but a
>few T-Shirts. And if you are a BTTF fan the Hill Valley ring is nice but
>thats about it. I complained enough they sold me a coffee mug for half
>price. Most of the stuff there doesn't even relate to a DeLorean or Back
>to the Future.
>Don't feel bad none of the other cars were in good shape either. They take
>you on a tour of their junk yard and it is a junkyard.
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:10:50 -0400
From: "Fedeli, Joe"
Subject: DML: FW: Bricklin display request
Hey gang...just thought someone might be interested in this offer?
Joe Fedeli
jfedeli(AT)dpsc.dla.mil
>----------
>From: SANDY BIGMAN[SMTP:BIGMANORTHO(AT)classic.msn.com]
>Sent: Monday, October 13, 1997 4:43PM
>To: Fedeli, Joe
>Subject: RE: Bricklin display request offer
>
>I would be happy to go to a meet on the west coast for Deloreans and bring my
>Bricklin. Let me know. I think you guys are great and appreciate the unique
>history of the cars.
>
>Sandy Bigman
>
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:07:21 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: The DCO at the Ashtabula Covered Bridge Festival
Last Saturday the DeLorean Club of Ohio took our cars to the Ashtabula
Covered Bridge festival in rural northeast Ohio. This was arranged by
Jill
and Wayne Luoma, who did an excellent job.
A few days before the festival the local newspaper had a story about
the parade to get people interested in coming. The only participants they
mentioned were the 13 DeLoreans they were expecting. The article
made it seem like our DeLoreans WERE the parade!
The day of the event we actually had 14 DeLoreans show up. Everyone
was very impressed (including me!) by the enthusiastic turnout. We
drove the parade route with our doors up to lots of cheering kids and
adults.
This was my first parade in my DeLorean, and I must say I was
surprised by the number of grown men who broke away from the crowd
and ran alongside our cars to ask questions. A man would be jogging
alongside my car asking: "Is this really stainless steel?" while another
was huffing and puffing beside the car ahead of me asking: "How much
does one of these babies sell for?"
The parade ended at the Ashtabula county fairgrounds, where the other
festival events were taking place. They had a huge area in the center of
the grounds set aside for our cars, and we parked our fleet of silver
beauties in formation. We took a bunch pictures, but in most of them all
you will see is people's butts as they crowd around the DeLoreans.
Most sibscribers the DML probably have a picture like this in their album:
the backsides of 30 people crowded around their car, gawking. The
caption should read: "Can you find the DeLorean in this picture?"
After a few hours of answering questions, browsing crafts, and
drinking lemonade, we took a covered bridge tour. The festival had its
own tour route, which was all on dirt roads. Wayne Luoma realized
ahead of time that we wouldn't want to take our nice, clean DeLoreans
on that route and layed out a greaat alternative which was all paved.
We spent the next two hours viewing the beautiful fall colors and some
rusitc old covered bridges. I enjoyed driving my DeLorean through some
of these bridges, one of which has no modern updates.
After the tour we went to Ferranti's winery for dinner and wine. While
we enjoyed a great meal I passed around a few hard copies of the DMC
News 'Zine, since some of our members had not seen it back in August.
We discussed future activities, including the upcoming events in
Columbus and Cincinnati, next year's DOA Expo in L.A., and our annual
meeting in January.
Everyone had a great time, and clamored for more DeLorean activities.
Based on the participation we had at this event, I expect you will see a
strong DCO representation at next year's L.A. Expo.
Does anyone know the deadline for the next DeLorean World off the top
of their head? Wayne Luoma is writing an article about our tour, and we
would like to see it make the next issue. Please contact me if you know.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 8:34:28 +0100
From: andreas(AT)tradesoft.se
Subject: DML: Interior fan wiring
Hello everybody
My interior fan has stoped working and I wonder if someone has a wireing
diagram for that. I have no power to the fuse so the problem must be
between
the battery and the fusebox but without a diagram I'm lost.
Andreas
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:55:22 -0400
From: "Sandro J. Di Giacomo"
Subject: DML: '81 DMC for sale
There is a DMC for sale in the Wilmington/Newark, DE area, if anyone is
interested- one of my friends saw it and told me about it, and I went to
check it out today. It can be seen on Kirkwood Highway (Rt. 2) where it
hits Rt. 7 (in front of the Howard Johnson's).
It is an '81 (with fuel filler inside trunk)- build date Sept. 81, 5spd,
black leather, with 17,000 miles on the odometer (probably not accurate,
as
it had a new speedometer). I believe the VIN was 03756.
From the outside, apart from being VERY dirty, it looked like it was in
pretty good shape- no rust, dings, scratches, except for a yellow streak
of
paint along the right front wheel well.
The guy just had all the door/hood/engine cover struts replaced with PJ
Grady struts, relatively new Yokohama tires, a new speedometer cable,
updated/repaired fan relay, new fuel gauge unit, and a new clutch.
On the inside: the leather was in a little better than average shape, it
had a new speedo (to 160), original radio (some of the LEDs did not work
and the speakers were sundried and in pretty bad shape), DMC floor mats,
just about all the paperwork, including the owners manual in excellent
shape. As far as I could tell all of the climate control functions
worked.
The biggest problem I found was that it stalled constantly. I would start
it up, release the gas, and it would sputter and die. I tried it with and
without the clutch down, revving it, cranking it for a bit longer, but I
guess the engine is just out of tune. I could only keep it running with
my
foot ever so slightly pressed on the gas.
As if on cue (with both doors, hood, and engine cover open), as soon as I
tried starting it for the first time (which, by the way, was a pretty big
thrill for a 17 year old), a man walked up to the car and said, "How many
engines ya got on that thing?" I said, "Excuse me?" He responds, "Ya got
an extra one in your trunk!" How nice of him to point that out. :)
Well, I've babbled long enough- the guy wants $18k for it, but I doubt he
is in serious need of the money as he just bought a new Acura NSX. If you
stop to see the car, he works in the Fastsigns store in the adjoining
shopping center, or his work number is 302-998-6755 (I don't know his
name). I hope this car finds a good home...I would provide it, if I could
bargain him down about $16k. :)
- --Sandro J. Di Giacomo
'81 Mercedes-Benz 240D
'92 Volvo 740 Turbo
'81-'83 DMC someday...
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:30:18 -0700
From: bpayne(AT)macnet.com (Brandon J. Payne)
Subject: Re: DML: Re: BTTF DeLoreans
My friend just got back from Universal Studios and he said that he saw a
DeLorean from part two and it had scratches and burn marks all over it.
He
brought me a toy tme machine DeLorean, about the size of a matchbox car.
I
went to Planet Hollywood in Hawaii a few years ago and they had the one
from
part three hanging upside down, and where the strap was on the hood, it
was
all dented in really bad.
- -Brandon J. Payne
bpayne(AT)macnet.com
- ---------------Sock Monkeys have invaded your computer!---------------
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:43:59 -0700
From: kseel(AT)bogle.com
Subject: DML: Looking for Aluminum Radiator Fluid Reservoir
I'm looking to replace my plastic radiator fluid reservoir with an
aluminum or stainless steal reservoir. Does anyone out there have
any
ideas as to which type is better, and how much they cost? Any ideas
of where I can order one for cheap?
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:15:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: GullWinged(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Trunk/Hood seals and Window Regulator(motor)
>Does anyone have a cross reference part identification for the trunk/hood
>rubber seal...I am sure the trunk/hood seal was used in other cars.
I would be surprised if it was, considering that the early '81 DMCs
had the seal curving around the fuel flap door.
Chase
VIN#1529
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:15:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: GullWinged(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Trunk/Hood seals and Window Regulator(motor)
>Does anyone have a cross reference part identification for the trunk/hood
>rubber seal...I am sure the trunk/hood seal was used in other cars.
I would be surprised if it was, considering that the early '81 DMCs
had the seal curving around the fuel flap door.
Chase
VIN#1529
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 12:38:18 -0000
From: dmcnews-approval(AT)world.std.com
Subject: Re: DML: Trunk/Hood seals
On 10/15/97 7:15 PM, Chase and someone else shared these fine thoughts...
>>Does anyone have a cross reference part identification for the trunk/hood
>>rubber seal...I am sure the trunk/hood seal was used in other cars.
>
>I would be surprised if it was, considering that the early '81 DMCs
>had the seal curving around the fuel flap door.
All the hood seals curved around the flap, even if there was no flap. DMC
only changed the stainless part of the hood, not the supporting frame
underneath.
Also, I ordered one of these seals from KAPAC (back when it was still
KAPAC) and it came all rolled up with the original "stickum" on the
underside. They were not formed to shape that they are on the hood. I
would imagine that the same or similat style weatherstripping is/was used
on other cars. A local auto supply store has an aisle full of different
design weatherstripping in rolls - maybe there is one in your town.
James
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 13:36:02 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Columbus - just two weeks & two days away!
This is the list of DML'ers going to the Warehouse Tour at DeLorean Motor
Company in Columb us 10/31 - 11/2/1997. Email me if you are going so you
can be added. If you want to know more about the event, see the DeLorean
Motor Company web page at www.usadmc.com
Brandon Moody
James Espey
Web Bixby
Mike Substelny (Sunday)
Marty Maier
Aaron Mills
Sean Mullally
Dave Grumblis
Chris Rabalais
Tony Swiantek
Cecil Longwisch
Ken Koncelik
Greg Linstad
Darrel Tinnerstet
Mike McDonnough
Bob Benyon
Dave Swingle
I'm looking forward to putting faces with the names I've read on the
DML, and getting re-acquainted with many of the people I met at last
years event or previous expos.
I **KNOW** there are more of us than this from the list going to Columbus
- - let me know who you are. There will be a cheesy little DML trinket for
those list members going and I want to make sure that I have enough on
hand.
James
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:35:11 +0100 (BST)
From: Martin Gutkowski
Subject: Re: DML: Trunk/Hood seals and Window Regulator(motor)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in a conversation I had with Dave
Howarth, he told me that one of the manufacturing process differences
between '81 and '82 (on the doors, at least) was that the seals were
pre-sized for fitting after '82, but in '81 were just cut to size from one
long strip. Maybe it was the same for the Hood/Trunk (Bonnet/Boot to the
English...:-)
Martin
"Love is a device invented by Bank Managers to make us overdrawn"
- Arnold Rimmer
On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 GullWinged(AT)aol.com wrote:
> >Does anyone have a cross reference part identification for the trunk/hood
> >rubber seal...I am sure the trunk/hood seal was used in other cars.
>
> I would be surprised if it was, considering that the early '81 DMCs
> had the seal curving around the fuel flap door.
>
> Chase
> VIN#1529
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:47:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Buster Bunny
Subject: DML: *IMPORTANT* safety info about windshield replacement
I remembered reading a while back on the DML about someone with an OEM DMC
windshield getting it put in by a local glass shop. So I thought that
this piece of info may be of interest to that person and anybody else who
has to have the windshield of ther DMC replaced in the US in the future.
While at a local glass shop (on non-DMC related buisness), I found out
that it is appearently now against federal law to install windshields
using only butyl so that they may be kicked out. The DOT now beleives
that the windshield should stay in during accidents to keep occupants from
flying out. Well this is all fine and good for most cars, but if (heaven
forbid) one should roll their DMC and it had a windshield installed in
this manner, they would be trapped.
Most shops now don't even use butyl because it is so messy. (Butyl is
that black goo that seals the windshield to the car) My solution to this
problem, if I were in such a situation, would be to find a shop which does
still use butyl and would 'accidentally forget' to reenforce the butyl
seal with the additional compounds now required by federal law.
-buster(AT)fdt.net
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:49:32 -0400
From: badboy(AT)joesnerd.com (Escondido)
Subject: DML: Confusion about the DMC
Hi, I'm confused. Does the DeLorean Motor Company still make DeLoreans or
any other cars? I thought they didn't, but the letters about the factory
tour have confused me, since I haven't kept up with the car.
Escondido
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:22:58 -0700
From: Hank Breer
Subject: Re: DML: Interior fan wiring
andreas(AT)tradesoft.se wrote:
>
> Hello everybody
>
> My interior fan has stoped working and I wonder if someone has a wireing
> diagram for that. I have no power to the fuse so the problem must be
> between
> the battery and the fusebox but without a diagram I'm lost.
>
> Andreas
A complete wiring diagram (for the 1981 DeLorean) was published in
Volume 4, Number 1 of DeLorean World Magazine.
http://www.delorean-owners.org/dw/index.html
Back issues are available to DOA members through our products division
http://www.delorean-owners.org/market/index.html
Hank Breer
DOA Board
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:41:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: michael richard pack
Subject: DML: Delorean collection must go
Cars are located in Maryland
1. Vin 1183 April 81 First cars. Black int, Auto
2. Vin 3713 Sept 81 " " 13,000 miles
3. Vin 6058 Nov 81 Gray int Auto 22,000 miles
4. Vin 6362 " " Red Paint 10,000 miles.
5. Vin 6858 " " Car has optional Dealer
strip. Wide version, below ext. rubber mouldings. Has DMC logo. Delorean
family owned. 4039 miles.
FINANCING AND DELEVERY ARRANGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MANY EXTRA PARTS.
PLEASE CALL FOR INFO
PLEASE DO NOT E MAIL TO THIS ADDRESS
SERIOUS INQUIRES ONLY
410-551-3107
Sincerely
Michael Pack
Annapolis Maryland
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 08:00:37 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: Re: DML: Confusion about the DMC
On 10/16/97 1:49 AM, Escondido shared these fine thoughts...
>Hi, I'm confused. Does the DeLorean Motor Company still make DeLoreans or
>any other cars? I thought they didn't, but the letters about the factory
>tour have confused me, since I haven't kept up with the car.
The original DeLorean Motor Company no longer produces automobiles, and
hasn't since late 1982.
The factory still exists in Northern Ireland and an event there this past
summer allowed peopel to tour the facility. Note that there is very
little visually to show that DeLorean automobiles were ever produced
there.
At the time the factory was closed, a company in Ohio bought the
remaining parts and warehoused them, selling the parts to companies and
indivduals. Earlier this year, Stepehn Wynne and DeLorean Motor Company
(no relation to the original DMC) bought these parts. They are having a
tour/parts sale/DMC-fest at the warehouse 10/31-11/2.
James
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:00:16 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Car ownership survey accepts DeLoreans once again
I said:
>> Anyone who wants to get into what they call "the greatest car
>> ownership database ever compiled" can still take the survey. As I
>> recall it takes 20 minutes or so. It is on the web at:
>>
>> http://cartalk.msn.com/Info/newsurvey.html
Bill Marcussen responded:
> I just tried to take it but was blocked because it requires the
> selection of a model but doesn't provide any model to select.
Bill was correct. I complained to their webmaster, and now the
ownership satisfaction survey once again includes the DMC-12 model. I
encourage all DeLorean owners to take the survey and answer
truthfully, so we can get an honest (if slightly biased) comparison
between DeLoreans and other cars.
I just tried the survey myself, and I must warn everyone that their server
is running slower than normal this morning.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:57:48 -0400
From: Aldo.Buono(AT)phila.gov
Subject: DML: Automobile Hall of Fame -- Muscle Car
"And the lie went into history, and became truth."
George Orwell, 1984
Aldo Buono
De Lorean Midatlantic, President
DMC 14
VIN 1440
PA Tag: DEGULL
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:55:06 -0500
From: Kevin Wolter
Subject: DML: RE: Car ownership survey accepts DeLoreans once again
I got a pretty good laugh when I read this survey question.
3. Considering all factors, if you could go back in time to when you got
your vehicle, under the same circumstances, how likely would you be to
pick the same make and model vehicle?
> Anyone who wants to get into what they call "the greatest car
> ownership database ever compiled" can still take the survey. As I
> recall it takes 20 minutes or so. It is on the web at:
>
> http://cartalk.msn.com/Info/newsurvey.html
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:59:24 +0000
From: BRUCE BENSON
Subject: Re: DML: *IMPORTANT* safety info about windshield replacement
>While at a local glass shop (on non-DMC related buisness), I found out
>that it is appearently now against federal law to install windshields
>using only butyl so that they may be kicked out. The DOT now beleives
>that the windshield should stay in during accidents to keep occupants from
>flying out. Well this is all fine and good for most cars, but if (heaven
>forbid) one should roll their DMC and it had a windshield installed in
>this manner, they would be trapped.
>Buster
The DeLorean windshield isn't installed with butyl. It's glued in with
polyurethane like all new cars are today. One of the reasons for this is
many of today's cars use the bonded in place windshield to increase the
structural integrity of the body. I'd suspect the door glass wouldn't be
too
difficult to kick out in an emergency. It's safety glass and crumbles into
thousands of pieces.
Bruce Benson
End of dmcnews-digest V3 #291
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