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Tuesday, October 21 1997 Volume 03 : Number 293
In this issue:
DML: RE: Down Under DeLoreans
DML: Re: safety info about windshield replacement
Re: DML: Down Under DeLoreans
DML: BTTF DeLoreans
Re: DML: Down Under DeLoreans
DML: Windows off the track!!
DML: New web site
DML: Importing...
Re: DML: Stainless Steel Frame?
DML: Palm Springs Parade
DML: The 97 Delorean is Here!
DML: Brake pads slapping
DML: Travel?
DML: De Loreans for sale in PA, NJ, and MD
Re: DML: The 97 Delorean is Here!
Re: DML: Windows off the track!!
DML: Event in Columbus.
Re: DML: BTTF DeLoreans
Re: DML: BTTF DeLoreans
Re: DML: Windows off the track!!
Re: DML: The 97 Delorean is Here!
DML: rust in the roof !
DML: Down Under Deloreans
DML: Event in Columbus is probably last one ever
DML: K&N
DML: flashlight key head
DML: More hall of Fame info
DML: Re: BTTF DeLoreans
DML: Car and Driver
DML: DMC Question
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:04:35 +1000
From: McCarthy
Subject: DML: RE: Down Under DeLoreans
No, your not the only aussie on the list im australian too and only 16.
I know that there is one in the harris street motor museum in sydney i
saw it the other day and owner is selling it for about 70 000dollars in
australian money.
I wouldnt have a clue where the other one is
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 23:25:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Buster Bunny
Subject: DML: Re: safety info about windshield replacement
On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, BRUCE BENSON wrote:
> The DeLorean windshield isn't installed with butyl. It's glued in with
> polyurethane like all new cars are today. One of the reasons for this is
> many of today's cars use the bonded in place windshield to increase the
> structural integrity of the body. I'd suspect the door glass wouldn't be
> too difficult to kick out in an emergency. It's safety glass and
> crumbles into thousands of pieces.
On June 10 '97, somebody mentioned on the list that they thought that they
Delorean's windhield was specially designed to be easily kicked out in the
case of a roll-over. Nobody ever confirmed or denied that. (as far as I
remember) I also found, in even earlier back issues, mention of the fact
that butyl was not used to seal the windshield.
Hopefully, as you mention, you would be able to break the door glass and
get out in the event you became trapped in an overturned Delorean, though
it seems as though it would be much easier to kick out the windshield.
If anyone knows any overturned Delorean storys, I'd like to know how the
people involved got out of their car.
-buster(AT)fdt.net
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 97 01:09:44 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: Re: DML: Down Under DeLoreans
> Apparently (according to several sources on the www) two right hand
> drive DMC-12s were originally shipped to Australia. I was wondering if
> anyone would happen to have any idea whatsoever what happened to these
> cars (c'mon, don't tell me I'm the only aussie on the mailig list :)
>
> -M
I"m not an aussie, but I have been to australia a few times. There is a
museum
located in Sydney that has several cars including a Delorean. But I don't
remember if it was RHD or not ?
- -Brandon
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:39:23 -0400
From: badboy(AT)joesnerd.com (Escondido)
Subject: DML: BTTF DeLoreans
Hello there,
This may sound like another very moronic question, but I'll ask it anyway.
Excluding the DeLoreans that were made for the movies and the studios, has
anyone ever modified their DeLorean to look like the time-travel car in
the
movies? This would include all the exterior/interior props and things. I
know that I wouldn't do this because I'd screw up the car itself, but I
guess there are people out there who could make the alterations and make
them look realistic.
Also, this would probably decrease the value of the car overall, so I
wouldn't be surprised if the only time-travel DeLoreans out there are the
ones the studio had. I guess this question comes from me being as big a
BTTF fan as a fan of DeLoreans.
Escondido
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:23:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: ROBLAMROCK(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Down Under DeLoreans
Agent M wrote 10/18/97;
>Apparently (according to several sources on the www) two right hand
>drive DMC-12s were originally shipped to Australia. I was wondering if
>anyone would happen to have any idea whatsoever what happened to these
>cars (c'mon, don't tell me I'm the only aussie on the mailig list :)
Maurice & Marianne Brockwell in Caversham, W. Australia have RHD 1982 VIN
CD012181. Tel.09272-6598 or 09481-1000
There was a RHD (coversion, but not by factory) 1981 VIN BD001013 sold by
COYS classic auctioneers in December 1995 to an Australian. (COYS London
Tel.
0171 584 7444, FAX 0171 584 2733)
Garry Hewitt of Berkshire, England emigrated down under earlier this year
and
took his car with him
From: garry(AT)icecream.demon.co.uk (Garry Hewitt)
I am in Australia now, my car arrived on Thursday. Now comes the job of
converting
it to right hand drive, it has also developed an exhaust leak. I
hope it will be >registered by November, as I have a big garage until
then.
I'm working though so >only evenings and weekends free. I will be moving
my
email to an Aussie ISP soon.
And I think there's a DMC in a car museum in Sydney.
Best wishes, Robert Lamrock
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:32:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: JIGAWTZ(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: Windows off the track!!
My windows go down fine, but them seem to come off the track when
going
back up, and I have to manually pull them up all of the way....also when
they
are up and I accidentally touch the button to make them go up, they make a
nasty grinding noise...Please, what is my problem and how can I fix it?
Ryan Condie
Poway,
CA
jigawtz(AT)aol.com
#SCEDT26T2BD004722
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:20:07 -0500
From: "Travis H. Graham"
Subject: DML: New web site
I have finally created my De Lorean web site! It is a basic page and
includes many pictures of my car, a DMC history, etc. If you take a
look at it, please tell me what you think.
http://edge.net/~cgraham/delorean.htm
Thanks,
Travis
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:13:42 +1100
From: Nick Storr
Subject: DML: Importing...
Hi all,
I have finally reached the point where I can seriously think about
importing a car from the USA to my home in Australia. I'm after a car
that's in basically sound condition overall, but can be shabby. As long as
the body and frame are straight, and all major mechanical bits are OK, I'm
happy. Has anyone been through the import process before? There are places
here that will do it, but none of them have experience with the DeLorean,
so I need to be careful, as I'll be buying the car without seeing it.
Basically, I'm after any advice anyone might have!
Thanks in advance...
Nick Storr
nick_storr(AT)onaustralia.com.au
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:51:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: JSteuben(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Stainless Steel Frame?
Check out latest copy of DeLorean World. Very good article on the company
and what's involved with making the change over. Regards, Joe. PS if
Rad Dad reads this, could he please contact me? I would like to talk
turbos
with him. Thanks, Joe
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:19:31 -0700
From: Hank Breer
Subject: DML: Palm Springs Parade
Hi all,
Last year Chapter 12 participated in the Palm Springs Festival of Lights
Parade. This year - no Chapter 12, but there is still a Festival of
Lights Parade in Palm Springs, and they would like DeLoreans to come
back.
The parade is at night, on Sat, Dec 6th. To be in the parade you MUST
DECORATE YOUR CAR WITH AT LEAST 400 WHITE XMAS LIGHTS. The event is not
sponsored by the DOA and all DeLorean owners are invited to attend.
Special rates have been arranged with the Wyndham Palm Springs, so you
can drive out for just the day, come early, or stay over. There will be
a holiday buffet afterwards, at the hotel, for those interested.
Costs:
Registration $10.00/car
Parade Fee (to Palm Springs) 10.00/car
Buffet 39.95/person
We have also been invited to be in the Tamale Festival Parade. It is in
the morning of the same Saturday. It is down the road a piece, in
Indio. There is no additional fee for this parade. Appropriate
decoration would be either holiday or Latin American.
For further information,
Hank & Mimi Breer
mailto:hbreer(AT)ix.netcom.com
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 21:15:17 +0000
From: Bob Brandys
Subject: DML: The 97 Delorean is Here!
THE DELOREAN IS COMING !
Ive had my Delorean for almost 10 years. It is a 1981 5 speed with a
gray interior and 33,000 miles. I really like the car, but there are
so many short comings of the car that really annoy me. I thought,
Why not take a Delorean and upgrade it, while still keeping its
original design and European (British) heritage as part of the
process. This upgrading should reflect how the car would have been
built had Delorean been allowed to stay in business.
As we all know, the Delorean had three major shortcomings. These
>include:
1. Anemic horsepower
2. Too small of windows
3. No overdrive automatic transmission
In many respects, the value of classic sports cars is directly related
to their horsepower. Consequently, the lack of horsepower could be
considered to be a serious shortcoming of the car. In fact, this
lack of horsepower is probably responsible for the lack of significant
appreciation in the cars value.
In addition, the car had a number of design and parts problems. Some
of these include:
1. A marginal cooling system
2. Faulty alternators
3. Poor wiring design for the cooling fans 4. Poor switch to control
the mirrors
5. Upper door rubbers that do not seal well
6. A glue on upper support for the door torsion bars that comes apart
over time.
7. Door strut brackets that are too small
8. Starter wiring that has too much of a voltage drop 9. Non greasable
tie rod ends
10. Airconditioning drain that dump above the gas tank 11. Too short
of a high pressure hose to the condenser 12. No up front automatic
transmission cooler
13. Poor access to the master brake cylinder
14. An R-12 air conditioning system that needs to be converted to
R-143a
There are other issues such as better brakes, power seat, more storage
and power steering, but I left these for a future dream Delorean
because they involve frame changes and hopefully a stainless steel
frame from Bryan Pearce (See p.16.Delorean World Issue Volume 17,
Number 3.)
If we pretended that the Delorean Motor Company is still in business
here is what the car would have been like today!
1. THE ENGINE UPGRADE
The Delorean has only a 130 horsepower V-6, which for a true
performance sports car borders on a joke. True performance sports
cars have to have well over 250 horsepower. This has been a fact
since muscle car started in the 1960s. Certainly, Delorean was
headed in the direction of turbo charging the PRV engine, as were
most car manufacturers in the early 1980s.
However, turbocharging the engine has not been the answer (it really
isnt used any more since the 80s) and most sport cars have at least
a V-8 engine. Real fun driving a sports car comes from low end
torque. Simple turbocharging does not accomplish this. A
turbocharged Buick Grand National with a 3000 rpm stall speed torque
converter and automatic transmission can deliver low end torque, but
who drives at 3000 rpm in first gear? In addition, as most
turbocharged Deloreans owner know, overheating is a constant problem.
When you look at todays sports car, automobile manufacturers have
also abandoned (at least for now), turbocharging as a way to increase
horsepower. They have adopted many of the old hot rodders tricks such
as; a better intake and exhaust flow, a lower rotating mass, higher
compression, a roller camshaft, aluminum heads and engine block, etc.
Consequently, relying on the old hot rodders adage: Theres no
replacement for displacement! A 2.8 liter engine is just too small.
Therefore, the engine would have to be a V-8 in order to achieve the
desired horsepower and performance. There are both Chevy and Ford
aluminum V-8s that are available, but they would not be consistent
with the cars European heritage. As all Delorean owners know, neither
Ford nor GM would have been likely candidates to supply engines to
Delorean, so neither of these engines would be considered.
What readily available aluminum V
- -8 would Delorean have had access to?
Was a British made aluminum V-8 available? Would parts for this
engine be readily available in this country? Interestingly, their is
an answer to these questions, and, in fact, it follows John Deloreans
heritage. The British Land Rover contains an aluminum V-8 that used to
be built by GM in the early 1960s. It was found in Buicks,
Oldsmobiles and Pontiac as the 215 V-8. This engine and its equipment
were sold to Rover in 1965. This aluminum V-8 has also been used in
many European sports cars including Triumphs, Jensens, etc. Equipped
with electronic fuel injection and dual catalytic converters, this
engine also meets current US emission standards. Had Delorean still
been in business, it is very possible that he would be using this
engine, just like other European car manufacturers.
This engine, in fact, is very popular among European car enthusiasts.
It is also famous in the DAKAR African car race. Some of the race set
ups are spectacular, such as 4 two barrel Webers! There is even a
number of books written on increasing performance on this engine. This
engine has a good reliability reputation, and is still raced by some
people in this country. And large volume of high performance parts are
readily available. This high performance parts availability is very
desirable to car enthusiasts.
This engine, therefore, appears to be an excellent choice for the new
Delorean. The most amazing fact was that this engine in full dress
weights about 20 pounds less than the current Delorean V-6. A
coincidence? Maybe. Maybe a future plan? What a great engine of choice
for updating this car.
Installing this engine in the car presents some challenges. These
include brackets for the power accessories, engine mounts, etc. Had
Delorean used this engine, the associated brackets would have been
easy to manufacture. Other engineering difficulties include oil pan
clearance, transmission adaptor plate, increase cooling capacity and a
workable exhaust system with cross over pipe. With custom designed
motor mounts, the existing frame requires no changes. With this engine
installed there is plenty of room to maintain it. There is alot more
room than the RPV V-6 which is a definite improvement.
2. AN OVERDRIVE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
The ZF company which made the automatic transmission for the Delorean
is still in business. Though they no longer make the specific
transmission found in the Delorean, but they do make one very similar
only now it has 4 or 5 speeds. In fact, the Delorean CV joints
actually bolt up to this transmission! It is also about the same size,
but does not fit the Delorean frame transmission mounts. This has to
be changed and a custom mount designed.
This transmission easily handles 250 hp. and is repairable as a
replacement unit in this country. When investigating this
transmission., we did not find a history of reliability problems. It
is similar to the existing Delorean transmission in that it is also
computer controlled. Numerous computer inputs have to be connected.
Linkages and other brackets need to be fabricated including a
different shifter. What is so cool about this transmission is that is
can be used in either the automatic or manual mode. The manual mode
is a + or - to shift gears. Its really wonderful and is just as must
fun as a stick shift without dealing with a clutch pedal.
Using this transmission in a Delorean reduces the 70-80 mph cruising
engine RPM to the 3000 RPM range. This also reduces noise and
increases fuel economy. Certainly, fuel economy is an issue that must
be dealt with in a new car.
3. REAL WINDOWS (See p.10. Delorean World Issue Volume 17, Number 3.)
How many times have your heard that there wasnt enough room for real
size windows in the Delorean? Well, any time you get into your
Delorean on a hot day, this question always comes to my mind. Driving
in parades with the Doors open is OK, but not the way the cars sleek
style lines should be displayed.
Delorean historians know that the prototype car had sliding windows.
This, in my opinion, was a better choice than the tiny windows
currently in the car, but certainly not what everybody wants, e.i.
REAL WINDOWS!
Well, I decided to check for myself. Was it true that there was not
enough room for a real window in the Delorean door? Just getting the
door apart is challenge enough. Designing and building a real window,
now that's real work. (Actually, about 6 months of design and
prototype construction.) I also removed the power door lock because I
heard of too many problems with these. This made designing and
installing the windows a little easier.
Real windows that go all the way up and all the way down are possible
in the Delorean. The window has to be divided into three sections
because the door has no tracks for the window to slide up and down. In
many respects the most difficult part of the design was the window
tracks. But you can now leave the windows slightly open at the top to
vent hot air during the summer months and cruise with the windows
fully open, just like any other classic muscle car. No more of that
claustrophobic Delorean feeling!
These windows are not glass. They are Lexan just like in race cars.
Real glass windows could be made, but that would require about
$100,000. The Lexan windows are very tough and hold up well to
everyday use. In fact, they are being investigated for new cars. (See
CE News Septemper 97.) They are also much less costly than Delorean
glass windows. If they get scratched they can be replaced. The amount
of work to replace them is similar to existing Delorean windows.
4. The Improved Cooling system
The original Delorean cooling system was not designed for a V-8
engine. Hence, it needs to be improved to handle the V-8 engine.
Improving a cooling system is not rocket science, but getting
everything to fit the car is! The car needs a 30% larger radiator say
16 by 27 with a macho 4 core design. The second thing it needs
are larger coolant pipes and pipes with less hoses. With a few
changes in the rear piping 1 and 1/2 pipes will fit the car. The gas
tank cover has to be lowered about 1 but this is not a difficult job
with a 1 U channel on the four sides. The pipes also have 4 fewer
hoses than the original design.
Custom brackets to support the radiator need to be made by extending
the original brackets to handle the larger radiator. New shrouding
also has be fabricated. And of course, larger fans are need. 14
fans will fit but it is a very critical clearance issue.
The overall airflow through the radiator is now 150% more than
original design.
5. Other Improvements That Went Along for the Ride!
A. Faulty alternators - The new engine now has a GM 95 amp alternator
with internal voltage regulator. This alternator is easy to replace
and inexpensive.
B. No up front automatic transmission cooler- This was installed as
part of the transmission upgrade. It fit nicely under the front right
fender, just like a Porsche.
C. Too short of a high pressure hose to the condenser-. Have you ever
looked at the extremely tight bend in this hose? It is a section that
will leak freon over time because of the stretch of the rubber. In
addition, a longer AC hose is needed to clear the larger radiator. The
longer hose eliminates this tight radius and fits much better.
D. Starter wiring that has too much of a voltage drop- The main
positive wire now goes directly to the starter and a 4 gauge cable
supplies the vehicle. With all the room in the engine compartment,
this is easy to do.
This car is making its debut on October 25, 1997 at the October
meeting of the Delorean Midwest Connection. Future articles and
pictures will follow on the engine, transmission and cooling system.
This is Delorean is now a real pleasure to drive and is a real
performance sports car. It is what I believe John Delorean would be
building today and what he hoped his car would have been in the
future.
What about these other issues?
1. Poor wiring design for the cooling fans 2. Poor switch to control
the mirrors
3. Upper door rubbers that do not really seal
4. The glue on upper support for the door torsion bars that comes
apart over time
5. Door strut brackets that are too small 6. Non greasable lower tie
rod ends
7. Air condition drain that dumps above the fuel pump 8. Poor access
to the master brake cylinder
These are design improvements for future articles.
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Date: 20 Oct 1997 09:30:09 -0500
From: "Kemp, Nick (MN10)"
Subject: DML: Brake pads slapping
It appears that one of my brake pads is slapping against the rotor.
Needles
to say, this causes a rather disturbing sound but it does go away when I
touch the break pedal. Does anyone have an opinion on how to fix? I'm
thinking caliper rebuild. Opinions on rebuilding calipers will also be
appreciated.
Nick Kemp
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:25:03 +0000
From: ausmith(AT)pdx.oneworld.com
Subject: DML: Travel?
I'm going to be in the Carmel area in the next two weeks. If anyone
would like to meet for coffee, golf or ? e-mail today or tomorrow.
Chris
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:18:26 -0400
From: Aldo.Buono(AT)phila.gov
Subject: DML: De Loreans for sale in PA, NJ, and MD
1981 Automatic VIN 06058
22,000 miles, Gray Leather,
Excellent Condition. $16,000/BO
Michael Pack, Voice: 410-551-3107 (MD)
1981 Automatic VIN 02749
33,000 miles. Gray Leather. Excellent Condition.
New headliners, brake pads, tires, ducelier.
Charles Burnett, Voice: 610-932-8179 (PA)
1981 5-speed VIN 05747
33,000 miles, Gray Leather. Excellent Condition.
Stored for four years. Winterized.
Gene Kradzinski. Voice: 215-739-5847 (PA) $16,000.
1981 Automatic VIN 01183
55,000 miles, Black Leather. Daily Driver
Gas Flap, All Updates. $20,000
Michael Pack, Voice: 410-551-3107 (MD)
1981 Automatic VIN 03713
13,000 miles, Black Leather. All updates.
Excellent Interior, two dings in body. $13,000
Michael Pack, Voice: 410-551-3107 (MD)
1981 5-Speed VIN 06362
10,000 miles, Ferrari Red Paint, Grey Leather
All updates. Excellent Codition. $15,000
Michael Pack, Voice: 410-551-3107 (MD)
1981 Automatic VIN 06827
4,000 miles, Gray Leather. Concours Condition
Wide Black Stripe, $25,000/BO
Michael Pack, Voice: 410-551-3107 (MD)
1982 5-Speed VIN 10213
51,000 miles, Daily Driver, Excellent Condition
Michael Gaines, Kenilworth NJ, 908-931-1498
This listing is a service of De Lorean Midatlantic,
the independent owners club of the midatlantic states of USA.
Aldo Buono, President,
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:04:42 +0100 (BST)
From: Martin Gutkowski
Subject: Re: DML: The 97 Delorean is Here!
Hello,
Just a few points in reply to the novel that I just ploughed through.
1) Indeed, the Rover V8 is a very popular engine in a number of cars - the
TVR being one high performance sportster you don't mention. But remember,
the D's existing engine is essentially Volvo - what about them??? There
are some amazingly powerful Volvo's on the road today - the V70 has a 0-60
of 5 seconds - and Volvos are built like tanks, and weigh almost as much.
Think how that would shift a D...
2) What have you got against turbos? True, a turbocharged D has problems,
but in ALL cases, including the factory-fitted few the turbo is a bolt-on.
The engine was not designed to have it and consequently will overheat and
wear out the bottom end a bit faster. Oh, and ALL F1 cars use either Turbo
or Superchargers because of the fuel constraints, and herein lies a fact
that you may not be aware of: Fuel here in Europe (and the UK especially)
is fantastically expensive (about $1 per litre at current rates), so JD
might have been thinking about that at the same time as planning his
european release that never was.
The Saab 900 turbo (about the same vintage as the D) does 40-70 faster
than a Ferrari Testarossa, BECAUSE of the Turbo...
Food for thought...
Martin
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Mobile: (0973) 689097
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:47:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Magicshow(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Windows off the track!!
I bought the new window regulator from D1 and had it installed but it
still
comes off track on its way up
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:12:04 -0400
From: Marc Levy
Subject: DML: Event in Columbus.
Mike Substelny Wrote:
>wedding to go to Nov 1, but I will break my neck to be there on Nov 2
>because we will never have another chance to do this again in our
lives.
>If you can make it Sunday, Marc, it might be just you and me.
The only way I would be able to do it just for one day it to fly, or
drive through the night on Saturday AND Sunday..
I really dont want to spend the $$ to fly out for one day, and dont
think I could make the drive on my own..
Anyone wanna leave the East Coast (New Jersey) LATE Saturday night, to
return EARLY Monday morning, drop me a note. DOUBT IT!
I can just hope that this event will be sucessful enough that they do it
again.
Marc
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:34:43 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad(AT)cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: BTTF DeLoreans
Many, if not most of us die hard DeLorean afficianados have very mixed
feelings about BTTF. Yes, it probably made the DeLorean the most widely
recognized car in the world outside of the Bug; on the other hand, true
car
nuts feel that it trivialized the D.
Having said that, there was/is a fellow who did a thorough, accurate
reconstruction of the BTTF car. He made all the pieces so that they were
applied with Velcro. Thus, for a couple hundred bucks he would apply them
all and do the "shopping mall" thing. Then, he'd gp home and have his D
again.
Don't know his name, but he was referred to in an old DeLorean World and I
believe that he was in the mid-west.
The Rad Dad
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:22:08 EDT
From: kstallman(AT)juno.com
Subject: Re: DML: BTTF DeLoreans
On Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:39:23 -0400 badboy(AT)joesnerd.com (Escondido)
writes:
>Hello there,
>
>This may sound like another very moronic question, but I'll ask it anyway.
>Excluding the DeLoreans that were made for the movies and the studios, has
>anyone ever modified their DeLorean to look like the time-travel car in
>the movies? This would include all the exterior/interior props and things.
>I know that I wouldn't do this because I'd screw up the car itself, but I
>guess there are people out there who could make the alterations and
>make them look realistic.
>
>
Last I heard, Jason Newsted of Metallica I believe had a Delorean made up
just like the one from Back to the Future. I don't know if he ever got
rid of it, but about 6-8 months ago, he was trying to sell it.
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 22:32:32 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: Re: DML: Windows off the track!!
> I bought the new window regulator from D1 and had it installed but it
> still comes off track on its way up
>
The problem is simple, poor design ! Most cars if you notice have
a vertical track which with window travels in. Look at any 4-door car,
the front windows always stay in contact with the rear part of the door,
and
the rear windows stays in contact with the front edge of the door. The
delorean
has NO guide on either side, it just floats in the middle. SO, to fix
the problem, you will have to fabricate you own brackets to hold the
window assembly
tighter and more securely to the tracks. AND, keep the tracks
lubricated well.
AND, never slam the doors with the windows down. of course, if your
doors are
properly alligned, you shouldn't have to slam them,,, but thats another
story.
- -BM
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:11:28 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad(AT)cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: The 97 Delorean is Here!
Bob Brandys wrote several things that call for a response. Let's start
with
the turbo question.
> However, turbocharging the engine has not been the answer (it really
> isnt used any more since the 80s) and most sport cars have at least
> a V-8 engine. Real fun driving a sports car comes from low end
> torque. Simple turbocharging does not accomplish this. A
> turbocharged Buick Grand National with a 3000 rpm stall speed torque
> converter and automatic transmission can deliver low end torque, but
> who drives at 3000 rpm in first gear? In addition, as most
> turbocharged Deloreans owner know, overheating is a constant problem.
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----
Bob, try driving a dragster on the street! It just doesn't work.
As to the comment about turbo charging being an 80's thing -- pick up a
copy of Turbo magazine. See the Honda's and Mitsubishi's that can eat up
most V8's.
Living in the mountains as I do, I am often in boost for minutes (not
seconds) at a time as I climb from 6000' to 11,000' in just a few miles.
Turbocharging gives me a very nice midrange oomph. It does so without any
noticeable strain on the engine. And, I soved my "overheating" problem
with a metal 3 core radiator. Hell, now I worry about getting the car
warm
enough to get any use out of the heater.
I put 60,000 miles on as stock D engine with twin turbos. I experienced
no
bottom end damage nor did I experience the predicted soft cam shaft
problem. Yes, I had a problem with overheating. Not serious, but enough
to cause me to be uncomfortable. Again, keep in mind that when I go into
boost, I do so for minutes at a time. Still, with my "new" D I have a 3
core metal radiator and I no longer even look at the temperature gauge.
If
I did, I would probably wonder if it were accurate because the engine is
so
cool.
You said, "Real fun driving a sports car comes from low end torque".
Maybe
for you. But for me, real fun driving a sports car come from the way it
handles in the curves, the way it passes the traffic (sorry - no automatic
for me - one was enough) and the way it gets blatanly enviable stares.
Now, don't get me wrong. I want to hear more about your efforts. I have
aften wondered what I would do if I had the money to make a 97/98
DeLorean.
Frankly, if I were to dream, I would start with the Lotus V8. Now,
there's an engine!!!!
The Rad Dad
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 22:37:07 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: DML: rust in the roof !
I was just curious if anyone found rust in the roof section of there car ?
I had mentioned it on the list before but never really saw that much
interest
in the subject. Well, just thought I would let everyone know that in
the
event that you should ever investigate this area and find that the thing
is
rusted away to nothing. That entire section of steel and brackets has NO
part number.
Aparently it was considered part of the body. To fix the problem, I
had to
fabricate the entire section from scratch, Stainless steel of course !
- -BM
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:09:01 +1100
From: Nick Storr
Subject: DML: Down Under Deloreans
At 09:41 AM 10/20/97 -0400, Agent M wrote:
>Apparently (according to several sources on the www) two right hand
>drive DMC-12s were originally shipped to Australia. I was wondering if
>anyone would happen to have any idea whatsoever what happened to these
>cars (c'mon, don't tell me I'm the only aussie on the mailig list :)
I was thinking the same question, but now I know there's at least two of
us!
I have only seen one RHD Delorean here in Tasmania. It was in a caryard
for
sale for $40,000 (Australian Dollars) and did not seem to be in great
condition. The front fascia was a bit ripply and bent, window rubbers
falling off, etc. I'm not sure if this was an original RHD car, or a
converted one. I also read about one that was sent here and given away in
a
magazine competition or something. Anyone else hear about this?
Nick Storr
nick_storr(AT)onaustralia.com.au
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:41:10 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Event in Columbus is probably last one ever
Marc Levy wrote (about Columbus event Nov 1):
> I can just hope that this event will be sucessful enough that they
> do it again.
Marc, if they ever do this again it will have to be in Houston. I am
pretty
sure the parts are leaving Columbus after this event.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:54:13 -0500
From: Jameel Ahed
Subject: DML: K&N
Dear DML,
I remember hearing a while back that K&N invited people to bring
there DeLoreans in and have them measured for the super charger
filter... Did any of this take place yet? If so let me know... I am
so anxious to buy one!
How about ram air scoops? Has anybody seen that back from the future
video. The Fire Engine Red DeLorean has red scoops right at the air
inlet... those are very cool things... I am afraid I don't have access
to plastic molding equipment... I would love to make those... Actually
I tried, I cut a piece off of a pcv pipe... It would work but it is
just to thick making it very unattractive..
Jameel
- --------------------------------------------------
Jameel Ahed CEO of CyberTECH Industries
Consultant for VOITECH Computer Solutions
HOMEPAGE: http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed/
VOITECH: http://www.voitech.com
EMAIL: mailto:ahed(AT)uiuc.edu
- --------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:29:08 -0500
From: Jameel Ahed
Subject: DML: flashlight key head
Dear DML,
I have the flashlight key head but it is missing the button and the
electronics inside. I was wondering if you guys could scan a picture of
one just so I could see what the button looked like... Maybe even the
insides of the key, what type of battery was used??? Stuff like that.
I am trying to revitalize this key head. Thank you.
Jameel
- --------------------------------------------------
Jameel Ahed CEO of CyberTECH Industries
Consultant for VOITECH Computer Solutions
HOMEPAGE: http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed/
VOITECH: http://www.voitech.com
EMAIL: mailto:ahed(AT)uiuc.edu
- --------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 09:12:48 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: More hall of Fame info
I spoke at length with Bob Stockton, the PR man at the AHOF, and he
described the nomination/induction process for HOF inductees. There are
four different levels of awards given, with HOF induction being the
highest honor, and the only one open to those that are retired from the
automotive industry. Is JZD retired? I would think the answer would
depend upon whom you asked.
A group of individuals known informally as "the friends of the Hall of
Fame' receives nomination forms and these preposed nominations are
tallied. A certain number of the proposed nominees (based on the number
of people nominating that person) become actual nominees. This list is
mulled over by a committee, which determines (based on the individuals
contributions to the industry) which names get put before the AHOF board
of directors to be voted on for induction.
How does one get to be a "friend of the Hall of Fame"? Just ask! Bob is
sending me a nomination form now. After I get it, I will post more on the
subject...
James
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:52:28 -0500
From: "Phil Wiltfong"
Subject: DML: Re: BTTF DeLoreans
>This may sound like another very moronic question, but I'll ask it anyway.
>Excluding the DeLoreans that were made for the movies and the studios, has
>anyone ever modified their DeLorean to look like the time-travel car in
>the
>movies? This would include all the exterior/interior props and things. I
>know that I wouldn't do this because I'd screw up the car itself, but I
>guess there are people out there who could make the alterations and make
>them look realistic.
Yeah, this last weekend was another homecoming parade at the local
college
and the theme was Into the Future.......so a Frat house (temporarily)
modified my Delo to the Nth degree, complete with Reactor and stuff, but I
had to provide the can of Budweiser. BUT, it's back to normal now, and I
still love it!
Phil Wiltfong
Ser# 3394 9,000 miles!
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:48:47 -0500
From: theref(AT)cysource.com (Dan Forster)
Subject: DML: Car and Driver
In the current issue of Car and Driver, It talks of MR. D building a new
car that will compete with the Ferrari, it is supposed to go .06 sec.
faster than the Ferrari in a zero to 60 run. And is only supposed to be
around $20,000 if this is true that would Rule.
Dan Forster
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:49:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nontoxic55(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: DMC Question
A guy in my town is selling a Delorean for $3,000. Yes 3K. It's pretty
beat
up and it looks like it's been sitting in his driveway for more than a few
years. The driver side door doesnt open, and has no window. It needs a
lot
of restoration on the interior(new leather on seats, new dash, new stick,
etc.) and some engine work. There are a few primer spots on the body, and
all the head lights are missing. I want a car that i am able to fix up
but
am not sure if all the parts are available and reasonably cheap. If anyone
has any input on what i should do, please let me know.
- -Hopefully soon DMC owner
Morgan Wise-Las Vegas, NV
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