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Thursday, October 30 1997 Volume 03 : Number 297
In this issue:
DML: Cheap DMCs
DML: facia painting
DML: T removal
DML: Fwd: PARTS CAR FOR SALE
DML: Fwd: STEERING WHEEL COVERS AND DASH PAD FOR SALE
DML: DeLorean Happening, Columbus, Ohio (10/31/97-11/2/97)
DML: Fwd: T-section removal
Re: DML: DeLorean Happening, Columbus, Ohio (10/31/97-11/2/97)
Re: DML: T removal
DML: Questions re: getting JZD into Hall of Fame
Re: DML: facia painting
DML: '90 minute' DeLorean interview
DML: Cheap DMC's and how I got mine
DML: Ohio gathering attendees
DML: Fuel pump leak
Re: DML: Cheap DMCs
DML: Re: Cheap DMC's and how I got mine
DML: Address of Columbus DMC Warehouse
Re: DML: Cheap DMC's and how I got mine
Re: DML: Cheap DMC's and how I got mine
Re: DML: Cheap DMC's and how I got mine
DML: Fwd: re:new owner
Re: DML: Cheap DMCs
DML: Looking for AMEX catalog featuring Gold DeLorean
DML: Interesting discovery...
DML: DeLorean Article
DML: ADMIN NOTE: Guest Moderator...
Re: DML: Fwd: re:new owner
DML: ADMIN NOTE: Guest Moderator...
DML: Re: Address of Columbus DMC Warehouse
DML: DeLorean Midwest Updated
Re: DML: Fuel pump leak
DML: RHD DMC F/S in Aus w/ pix
Re: DML: Fuel pump leak -> maybe not the pump?
RE: DML: Fuel pump leak -> maybe not the pump?
Re: DML: Cheap DMCs
DML: attn James Espey
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 12:19:33 -0500 (EST)
From: GullWinged@aol.com
Subject: DML: Cheap DMCs
In my opinion, taken from being a DMC owner for just over two years, is
that most any DeLorean between $9,000 andd $13,500 is a project car.
Anything less than that is either a rare fire sale or a parts car and
nothing more. I will repeat what I have often said here and to others.
Any DeLorean will cost at least $15,000 to make readily driveable!! No
matter how much you buy it for, expect to spend no less than $15,000 on
it before you are done restoring/modifying it. I speak from experience.
But not a bad experience as I has assumed it was the case when I bought
the car.
Chase
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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:41:53 -0500 (EST)
From: TGraham999@aol.com
Subject: DML: facia painting
My front and rear facias need work. The paint has faded and/or peeled =
off the top of both facias over time. I found the service bulletin that =
discusses procedure on painting the facias and was wondering if anyone =
else has had their facias painted? Was the service bulletin correct, or =
are there any other necessary steps? Does the new paint look good? Is =
the paint durable? And finally: How much did you pay for the paint job? =
Thanks for your help concerning this issue.
Travis
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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:01:12 -0600
From: Gowler Don-CFPO01
Subject: DML: T removal
Does anyone out there have the experience and/or instructions on the
removal and replacement of the roof top stainless steel 'T' shaped
panel?
Regards, The Silver Fox
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 06:47:09 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Fwd: PARTS CAR FOR SALE
Please remember to send submissions to "dmcnews@world.std.com"
- ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------
Date: 10/28 2:35 AM
Received: 10/28 5:43 AM
From: Micah Fryman, nocoke2@ctllc.com
To: moderator@dmcnews.com
CC: nocoke2@ctllc.com
1982 DELOREAN: Hit on the left front corner. This car had only 20000
miles on it when wrecked. Has no interior, engine, transmission, and
wheels. Has two perfect doors with glass, suspension parts, rack in
pinion, lower control arms, window motors, locks, and many loose engine
parts. The underbody is 85% good with excellent rear pontoons. Also, a
perfect rear glass and good automatic frame. This car has many good part
not mentioned. I NEED TO MOVE ASAP. NEED THE SPACE TO STORE SECOND
DELOREAN. I know Deloreans and what parts are worth. $3800 OBO YOU
MOVE.
Give me a call 217-627-3265 leave message and I will return call. or
E-Mail me at nocoke2@ctllc.com. Ask for Micah Fryman
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 06:47:12 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Fwd: STEERING WHEEL COVERS AND DASH PAD FOR SALE
Please remember to send submissions to "dmcnews@world.std.com"
- ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------
Date: 10/28 2:59 AM
Received: 10/28 5:43 AM
From: Micah Fryman, nocoke2@ctllc.com
To: moderator@dmcnews.com
CC: nocoke2@ctllc.com
STEERING WHEEL COVERS: Made of high quality vinyl material with the DMC
LOGO and the name DELOREAN embroidered on the cover. Available in black
or
gray. You have the choice of colors for the embroidery work. Taking
orders. $50.00 plus shipping. CALL 217-627-3265 LEAVE MESSAGE: MICAH
FRYMAN
DASH COVERS: Available in Black or Gray.
WITH DMC LOGO EMBROIDERY: $80.00 plus shipping
WITHOUT EMBROIDERY: $65.00 plus shipping
PERSONALIZED WITH NAME: ADD $8.00
CALL: 217-627-3265 ASK FOR MICAH FRYMAN FOR BETTER DESCRIPTION
e-mail: nocoke2@ctllc.com
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 07:20:33 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: DeLorean Happening, Columbus, Ohio (10/31/97-11/2/97)
Though it's getting late to be just now deciding to go, here's a reminder
of what you'll be missing if you don't join us this weekend in Columbus.
Incidentally, the hotel still had rooms available as of last week.
James Espey
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
- --------------------------------------------------------
This is to invite you to an exciting event in the DeLorean continuing
saga.
DeLorean Motor Company and Stephen Wynne are pleased to announce the
acquisition of the largest inventory of DeLorean parts in the world.
After successful negotiations with Kapac/DeLorean in Columbus,
DMC/Houston now owns and controls a 46,000 square foot warehouse filled
with DeLorean spare parts. This is great news for DeLorean owners. They
may now be assured of parts availability for years to come.
The gathering in Columbus will give the participants an opportunity to
tour the DMC warehouse in Columbus, Ohio to see this massive inventory of
DeLorean parts.
DMC is also pleased to have acquired the services of Leif Montin, who
will assist in the control, organization and distribution of the parts
inventory. Leif was the National Parts Manager for the original DeLorean
Motor Company in Irvine, California. Leif will be available during this
event to give some inside background of the DeLorean "start-up" and to
answer questions about the early days of the first DMC.
Rob Grady, of P.J. Grady, Long Island, will present a tech seminar. A
partially assembled DeLorean will be used for the presentation.
The event schedule will be as follows:
Friday, October 31, 7:30pm to whenever - Informal get-together at
DeLorean Hospitality suite at the Crown Plaza, downtown Columbus.
Saturday, November 1, 8:00am to 8:30am - Complimentary coffee at the DMC,
Columbus warehouse.
Saturday, November 1, 8:30am to noon - First group will tour the Parts
Warehouse while the first group attends the Tech Seminar.
Saturday, November 1, noon to 1:30pm - Lunch break.
Saturday, November 1, 1:30pm to 5:00pm - Second group tours the warehouse
and the first group attends the Tech seminar.
Saturday, November 1, 6:00 and 6:30pm - Informal, no-host group dinner
and Barcelona restaurant (One of Columbus most fashionable). Due to
limited space, there will be two seatings and availability is on a
first-come, first serve basis).
Sunday, November 2, 10:00am - A second tour of the Parts Warehouse for
those interested.
A special room rate of $89.00 per night has been negotiated at Crown
Plaza hotel for attendees. Reservations should be made no later than
October 8th, 1997 by contacting the Crown Plaza at the following
address/phone: Crown Plaza Hotel, 33 Nationwide Boulevard, Columbus, OH
43215, phone 614-461-4100, fax 614-461-5828.
Special parts pricing on selected items will be offered at this event and
part orders submitted will be shipped, freight prepaid, if required.
Payment options are American Express, Mastercard, Visa, Discover Card,
cash and checks.
Please pre-register with DMC (Houston) for our planning. If
pre-registering with DMC by October 15th, a special gift will be put
aside for you and awarded at the event in Columbus. We are looking
forward to a fantastic event and hope to see you there. You will not be
disappointed.
Cordially,
Stephen Wynne. President
DeLorean Motor Company (Houston)
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 11:44:52 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Fwd: T-section removal
Please remember to send all submissions to "dmcnews@world.std.com"
- ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------
Date: 10/28 6:36 PM
Received: 10/28 11:42 AM
From: Krister.Tanneryd@sto3.sas.se
To: dmcnews-approval@world.std.com
Hello,
REMOVE T-Section from car
Start with the screws on top of the rear window that are screwed into the
black plastic that holds the back end of the T section.
When you have removed them start to remove the screws that are
hidden behind the door rubber sealers and the T-section.
There is screws in the black windshield top that you also have to remove
and when they are loose you can start with taking away the T-section.
There might be some problems if the space between the louver and the
T-section is to tight you might have to remove the louver before actualy
be able to remove the T-section.
Hope this helps
Brgds
Tanneryd # 5713
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 16:50:43 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Happening, Columbus, Ohio (10/31/97-11/2/97)
What is the actual address of the warehouse ?
- -Brandon
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 16:48:23 PST
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: Re: DML: T removal
> Does anyone out there have the experience and/or instructions on the
> removal and replacement of the roof top stainless steel 'T' shaped
> panel?
>
> Regards, The Silver Fox
Very easy !, Open both doors, peel back the outer door seals to get to
the
3 or 4 screws on each side. Then open the rear shade, bend the
stainless
tabs down. Now, close the shade and doors. its easier with 2 people,
but
lift up on the rear of the panel slowly. It is held down to the car with
2
sided
foam tape, so just keep steady pressure and it will lift up. Then slide
it back to
release it from the front of the car.
- -Brandon
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:52:38 -0500
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Questions re: getting JZD into Hall of Fame
Discusing the Automotive Hall of Fame, James said:
> There are four different levels of awards given, with HOF induction
> being the highest honor, and the only one open to those that are
> retired from the automotive industry.
James, I interpret this as meaning that once you retire you are no longer
elidgeble for the lower three levels. This means inductees may or may
not be retired from the auto business. Am I wrong? Can you describe
the lower three levels?
> Bob (Stockton) is sending me a nomination form now. After I get it, I
> will post more on the subject...
It's been a week. Any news yet?
If the nomination is based exclusively on the number of proposals filed,
then I am very surprised to see a few of the names that have beaten
JZD to the AHOF. If the nomination must include a written essay,
detailing the candidate's contributions to the industry, then I would
love to
help write John Z. DeLorean's nomination essay!
BTW if anyone will be in Columbus at the DMC warehouse on Sunday, I'll
see you there. Maybe a few of us can discuss the AHOF Sunday
afternoon?
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:05:50 -0500 (EST)
From: TAHOERAY@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: facia painting
Two years ago after a minor bump,my frount bumper was scratched I had it
repainted useing the paint formula I found in the Delorean world mag. It
still looks good, and I plan to have the rear done this fall as it is
faded
.Be sure that painter adds a flex additive to the paint otherwise it may
crack.
Ray Petragallo
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:19:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Starman
Subject: DML: '90 minute' DeLorean interview
Hi all,
I got the DeLorean interview "Dare To Dream" last night. It's not
90 minutes, it's 55 minutes. Not bad, but the video quality could
be better.
Mike
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:37:31 -0500
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Cheap DMC's and how I got mine
Chase said:
> . . . any DeLorean between $9,000 and $13,500 is a project car.
> Anything less than that is either a rare fire sale or a parts car and
> nothing more. I will repeat what I have often said here and to
> others. Any DeLorean will cost at least $15,000 to make readily
> driveable!! No matter how much you buy it for, expect to spend no
> less than $15,000 on it before you are done restoring/modifying it.
I agree halfway with you, Chase. I bought my car for $12,500 in 1993.
Yes, it would take another $2,500 to get it up to "restored" condition.
But
my car is "readily driveable" as it is. The leather in my seats is badly
cracked and there is one scratch in a rear quarter panel. So I suppose I
have a project car, but I am not worrying about those little cosmetic
things and I still drive it all the time.
Was my car a fire sale? It depends on your definition.
In 1993 I looked in local newspapers and Hemmings, and found five
DeLoreans for sale in Cleveland. Over the course of three months I
looked at them all and I educated myself about the cars as best I could.
The first four sellers wanted $15k - $20k and they all told me they had
another interested buyer who had looked at the cars before I did.
The fifth seller wanted $13k, and he told me that he had looked at three
other DeLoreans in the area that were all priced higher. Obviously he
was the "other interested buyer" the other sellers thought they had.
Immediately I realized that I was in a buyer's market. In three months of
advertising, I was the ONLY serious buyer to look at any DeLoreans! I
decided to stop looking at the $20k DeLoreans, which were only
marginally superior to the $15k cars.
The $13k DeLorean ran great and had the least frame rust. The seller
was not desperate, but he knew I was the only DeLorean buyer in town.
So we negotiated a price of $12,500 and I bought it, in spite of that
cracked leather.
In the years since I have driven that DeLorean A LOT and it draws a
crowd everywhere I go. I have had so much fun with my imperfect
DeLorean that I think it has paid for itself already. I keep promising
myself
that I will get the leather and the scratch repaired, but they never seem
critical enough for me to do them.
Today it is still a buyer's market. I think it is possible to find a
mechanically sound DeLorean for less than $15k and enjoy it.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 07:18:00 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Ohio gathering attendees
This is the latest list of DML'ers going to the Warehouse Tour at
DeLorean Motor Company in Columbus 10/31 - 11/2/1997. In addition to the
names below, there is another list at least as long or longer of
non-DML'ers attending, so look for a crowd! There are even a couple of
people coming over from Europe for this one...
Brandon Moody
James Espey
Web Bixby
Mike Substelny (Sunday)
Marty Maier
Aaron Mills
Sean Mullally
Dave Grumblis
Chris Rabalais
Tony Swiantek
Cecil Longwisch
Ken Koncelik
Greg Linstad
Darrel Tinnerstet
Mike McDonnough
Bob Benyon
Bob Miller
Jameel Ahed
Chase Clark
Dennis Listenberger
Bruce Battles
Dennis Harrett
Patrick Gersitz
Robert & Vicki Miller
See you there!
James
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:36:31 -0800
From: cliff wallace
Subject: DML: Fuel pump leak
I seem to be unable to keep gas from oozing from the fuel pump's boot
mounted on top of the gas tank. DMC in Houston seated this NEW fuel
pump slightly askew. One night, I filled my tank completely up before I
went home and parked it in the garage as usual. A few minutes later,
gas fumes filled up the house. Super Unleaded is very strong. Only an
ounce seeped out, but enough to give me a headache. Every window and
door that could be opened, definately was that night. The next day I
correctly seated the fuel pump in the tank to where the boot fits right
over the opening to the tank and then I lowered the clamp toward the
lower portion of the boot. But still, fuel finds its way out. Anybody
have similar problems or solutions? It would be greatly appreciated.
Cliff Wallace
#3773 fumes
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 03:37:49 -0800
From: "Marvin S. Sterling"
Subject: Re: DML: Cheap DMCs
GullWinged@aol.com wrote:
>
> In my opinion, taken from being a DMC owner for just over two years, is
> that most any DeLorean between $9,000 andd $13,500 is a project car.
> Anything less than that is either a rare fire sale or a parts car and
> nothing more. I will repeat what I have often said here and to others.
> Any DeLorean will cost at least $15,000 to make readily driveable!! No
> matter how much you buy it for, expect to spend no less than $15,000 on
> it before you are done restoring/modifying it. I speak from experience.
> But not a bad experience as I has assumed it was the case when I bought
> the car.
>
> Chase
- ----------------------------------divider
Chase,
I'm confused. If a D is well maintained and in top running order why
would it be necessary to spend 15M to restore/modify it. I'm asking 20M
for mine and it is ready for whatever workout a new owner wants to put
it through ....I wouldn't drive it otherwise. Other than gas there
isn't anything that a new owner has to do to the car.
Best regards,
Marv Sterling
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:34:36 -0500
From: "Htos Drol"
Subject: DML: Re: Cheap DMC's and how I got mine
> I agree halfway with you, Chase. I bought my car for $12,500 in 1993.
> Yes, it would take another $2,500 to get it up to "restored" condition.
> But
> my car is "readily driveable" as it is. The leather in my seats is badly
> cracked and there is one scratch in a rear quarter panel. So I suppose I
> have a project car, but I am not worrying about those little cosmetic
> things and I still drive it all the time.
(SNIP)
> In the years since I have driven that DeLorean A LOT and it draws a
> crowd everywhere I go. I have had so much fun with my imperfect
> DeLorean that I think it has paid for itself already. I keep promising
> myself
> that I will get the leather and the scratch repaired, but they never seem
> critical enough for me to do them.
>
> Today it is still a buyer's market. I think it is possible to find a
> mechanically sound DeLorean for less than $15k and enjoy it.
>
> - Mike Substelny
>
It is a buyers market, for those who take the time to educate themselves
on
what they are buying. Having been shopping around for a good DMC, I have
seen the prices range from $9K to $65K....for vehicles that are very close
in condition. The key is how fast you need a DMC, I suppose.
Dave
PS. James, wear a silly hat or something that we can recognize you at the
show!
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:42:37 -0500
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Address of Columbus DMC Warehouse
Brandon asked:
> What is the actual address of the warehouse ?
The address is, appropriately enough, 319 Dublin Avenue, Columbus,
Ohio . This is in the city, near the old prison, in an industrial
section of
town. It is not especially easy to find.
Zip2 has a map of Columbus that appears to show the place correctly.
Go to:
http://www.zip2.com
click on "Get a Map" and type in the address above. Note that their map
neglects to indicate that several of the roads are one-way.
To get a physical description so you can recognize the warehouse
building you should call DMC Houston. There are other businesses
which share this huge building. As I recall, the DeLorean parts are on
the third floor.
I hope to see a bunch of you on Sunday!
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:29:51 -0500
From: "Michael E. Gaines"
Subject: Re: DML: Cheap DMC's and how I got mine
>Chase said:
>
>> . . . any DeLorean between $9,000 and $13,500 is a project car.
>> Anything less than that is either a rare fire sale or a parts car and
>> nothing more. I will repeat what I have often said here and to
>> others. Any DeLorean will cost at least $15,000 to make readily
>> driveable!! No matter how much you buy it for, expect to spend no
>> less than $15,000 on it before you are done restoring/modifying it.
>
I can't agree with you there. I got my car in September of 1996 for
$11,900
and only had to put $1k into it. The car's been running flawlessly since
Rob fixed it up. Over time I put another $2k into it and I'm selling it
for
$15k. I think it's a deal.
Maybe I found a good deal. I'm hoping to pass that good deal along to the
next owner.
>Mike said:
>Today it is still a buyer's market. I think it is possible to find a
>mechanically sound DeLorean for less than $15k and enjoy it.
Agreed. I use my car every day. No rust and the seats aren't splitting,
but
it has some cosmetic things that need to be fixed like the instrument
panel
binnacle, the front fascia was mispainted by the last owners, and other
minor things.
Mike
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 08:06:04 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: Re: DML: Cheap DMC's and how I got mine
>>Chase said:
>>
>>> . . . any DeLorean between $9,000 and $13,500 is a project car.
>>> Anything less than that is either a rare fire sale or a parts car and
>>> nothing more. I will repeat what I have often said here and to
>>> others. Any DeLorean will cost at least $15,000 to make readily
>>> driveable!! No matter how much you buy it for, expect to spend no
>>> less than $15,000 on it before you are done restoring/modifying it.
Mike replied:
>I can't agree with you there. I got my car in September of 1996 for $11,900
>and only had to put $1k into it. The car's been running flawlessly since
>Rob fixed it up. Over time I put another $2k into it and I'm selling it for
>$15k. I think it's a deal.
$11,900
$ 1,000
$ 2,000
- -------
$14,900
Close enough to $15K in my ballpark.
I'm assuming Chase means $15K total. I agree that this is **GENERALLY**
the case.
James
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:25:29 -0500
From: "Michael E. Gaines"
Subject: Re: DML: Cheap DMC's and how I got mine
>>>Chase said:
>>>
>>>> . . . any DeLorean between $9,000 and $13,500 is a project car.
>>>> Anything less than that is either a rare fire sale or a parts car and
>>>> nothing more. I will repeat what I have often said here and to
>>>> others. Any DeLorean will cost at least $15,000 to make readily
>>>> driveable!! No matter how much you buy it for, expect to spend no
>>>> less than $15,000 on it before you are done restoring/modifying it.
>
>
>Mike replied:
>
>>I can't agree with you there. I got my car in September of 1996 for $11,900
>>and only had to put $1k into it. The car's been running flawlessly since
>>Rob fixed it up. Over time I put another $2k into it and I'm selling it for
>>$15k. I think it's a deal.
>
>$11,900
>$ 1,000
>$ 2,000
>-------
>$14,900
>
>Close enough to $15K in my ballpark.
Subtract $2k from that. Chase said that it would take $15k to make it
DRIVEABLE. The extra $2k went to things that happened AFTER the initial
$1k. That includes a new water pump, new CV joint, new CD player, labor,
new tires, etc. These are items that died AFTER the initial $1k
investement
and shouldn't be included in the initial cost to make the car driveable.
My total price to get the car in running order was $12,900.
Mike
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 10:51:21 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Fwd: re:new owner
Please remember to send all submissions to "dmcnews@world.std.com"
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Date: 10/29 5:32 PM
Received: 10/29 10:41 AM
From: brian nallin, nascar@prysm.net
To: moderator@dmcnews.com
Hey folks! I just purchased my first DMC and happened to find this
web-site. I am way relieved! I live in Shreveport, La. and there is not
much in the way of DMC enthusiasts here. I purchased the 15,000 mile car
from my best friend who inherited it from his deceased father. Are you
ready for this, $5,000!. The car has been in storage for 8 years though
with half a tank of gas in it. I have my work cut out but it could be
worse I guess. Glad to be here!
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:21:09 -0800
From: kseel@bogle.com
Subject: Re: DML: Cheap DMCs
I have only been a DeLorean owner for one month, so until I find out
how reliable my car is, I have no idea whether I paid a fair price
for
my DeLorean. However, I will describe it for the group for your
comments. I paid $9800 for the car in Portland, Oregon (1981 VIN
00984 with no upgrades). The car starts and runs fine. The body
has
a minor crease in right rear fender which can only be readily
observed
in certain light. It has 121,000 miles on it (engine was rebuilt at
90,000 miles) and was a company car, so the company paid for all
repairs necessary to fix it over time. Leather seat has crack and
the
clock doesn't work. The mechanic who looked it over said it was in
overall "good" shape considering age and miles. The front horn arm
has some rust and is cracked and needs to be repaired and
re-enforced
(mechanic estimated $200.00).
This car is definitely a "driver" and has no collectible value.
However, we have had a great time driving the car and, of course,
people are much friendlier than when I drive my Tercel. Good deal?
Bad
Deal? Fair Deal? I don't know. Comments?
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>Subject: DML: Cheap DMCs
>Author: GullWinged@aol.com at Internet
>Date: 10/26/97 12:19 PM
>
>
>In my opinion, taken from being a DMC owner for just over two years, is
>that most any DeLorean between $9,000 andd $13,500 is a project car.
>Anything less than that is either a rare fire sale or a parts car and
>nothing more. I will repeat what I have often said here and to others.
>Any DeLorean will cost at least $15,000 to make readily driveable!! No
>matter how much you buy it for, expect to spend no less than $15,000 on
>it before you are done restoring/modifying it. I speak from experience.
>But not a bad experience as I has assumed it was the case when I bought
>the car.
>
>Chase
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 14:17:53 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Looking for AMEX catalog featuring Gold DeLorean
Subject pretty much says it all...I'd like to buy or trade for it, but
would settle for a good quality color copy or scan...email me.
James
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:40:32 -0500
From: Wade Shapiro
Subject: DML: Interesting discovery...
This past weekend, I was visiting the Plymouth homepage to look at
the Prowler. There is a place where you can order a brochure, and it
asks you some questions. One of the main questions is "what other
brands are you considering." Suprisingly, among all of the standard
brands (GM, Ford, Lotus, Alfa-Romeo, etc) it also had "DELOREAN" listed
as a choice. The next question asks for the make and again you have to
choose "DELOREAN."
Just thought this was kind of interesting....
Wade Shapiro
no VIN yet :(
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:49:33 -0500
From: Wade Shapiro
Subject: DML: DeLorean Article
I have two (2) extra copies of a special Motor Trend publication from
1996. It was entitled "100 years of the Automobile in America, a special
collector's edition." It is a nice magazine as a whole, with over 200
pages.
It has an article entitiled "Fabulous Flops: They may have
disappointed their creators, but they enriched American history" It
mentions more than a few cars, including the Bricklin, and also includes
the DeLorean. There are two big pictures of the car, one color one B &
W, that take up a whole page, and about a column worth of commentary
about the D.
I will sell these individually. I am not sure of their value, so make
offers (please tell whether you include shipping) if you are
interested. I also really want to get a DMC brochure, so I will also
trade if interested.
Thanks,
Wade Shapiro
no VIN yet :(
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 17:39:00 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: ADMIN NOTE: Guest Moderator...
I'll be leaving for the DeLorean Motor Company Warehouse event in
Columbus early Friday morning, and my good friend and long-time DML'er,
Knut Grimsrud, has graciously offered to "guest moderate" until I return
home November 10th. Knut's stint begins immediately after this message.
Additionally, I will be out of email contact from 10/31 through 11/10.
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Continue to send all submissions to "dmcnews@world.std.com" - thanks!
James Espey
Vacationing Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 17:54:57 -0700 (MST)
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Fwd: re:new owner
Welcome:
Yes, you no doubt have your work cut out for you, but the rewards are
exceptional. This site can save you hours of chasing down dead ends
and getting bad advice. We don't always agree on everything; But we
do all agree that owning a DMC is an experience unlike any other.
Again, Welcome.
Dick Ryan
The Rad Dad
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Hey folks! I just purchased my first DMC and happened to find this
>web-site. I am way relieved! I live in Shreveport, La. and there is not
>much in the way of DMC enthusiasts here. I purchased the 15,000 mile car
>from my best friend who inherited it from his deceased father. Are you
>ready for this, $5,000!. The car has been in storage for 8 years though
>with half a tank of gas in it. I have my work cut out but it could be
>worse I guess. Glad to be here!
>
>
>----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 17:39:00 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: ADMIN NOTE: Guest Moderator...
I'll be leaving for the DeLorean Motor Company Warehouse event in
Columbus early Friday morning, and my good friend and long-time
DML'er, Knut Grimsrud, has graciously offered to "guest moderate"
until I return home November 10th. Knut's stint begins immediately
after this message.
Additionally, I will be out of email contact from 10/31 through 11/10.
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Continue to send all submissions to "dmcnews@world.std.com" - thanks!
James Espey
Vacationing Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 22:14:42 -0500
From: "Htos Drol"
Subject: DML: Re: Address of Columbus DMC Warehouse
Hello
> The address is, appropriately enough, 319 Dublin Avenue, Columbus,
> Ohio . This is in the city, near the old prison, in an industrial
> section of
> town. It is not especially easy to find.
Beware, not much of the old prison remains. Most of it has been torn
down for space for the new NHL arena. If you need any specific
directions or info, let me know before then. I will email you back.
Take care
Dave
grumblis@iwaynet.net
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 21:43:13 -0600
From: Bryan Pearce
Subject: DML: DeLorean Midwest Updated
Just a quick note to let everyone on the list know that
http://www.delorean-midwest.org has recently been updated and contains
pictures of the 1997 DeLorean Time Machine that was constructed by Bob
Brandys. You will find pictures of the cars exterior with full size
windows as well as the time circuits, flux capacitor, and engine
compartment.
Bryan
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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 02:50:17 -0800
From: "Marvin S. Sterling"
Subject: Re: DML: Fuel pump leak
cliff wallace wrote:
>
> I seem to be unable to keep gas from oozing from the fuel pump's boot
> mounted on top of the gas tank. DMC in Houston seated this NEW fuel
> pump slightly askew. One night, I filled my tank completely up before I
> went home and parked it in the garage as usual. A few minutes later,
> gas fumes filled up the house. Super Unleaded is very strong. Only an
> ounce seeped out, but enough to give me a headache. Every window and
> door that could be opened, definately was that night. The next day I
> correctly seated the fuel pump in the tank to where the boot fits right
> over the opening to the tank and then I lowered the clamp toward the
> lower portion of the boot. But still, fuel finds its way out. Anybody
> have similar problems or solutions? It would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Cliff Wallace
> #3773 fumes
- -----------------------------------------
Cliff - I was told a long time ago to fill the tank only until the
nozzle clicks off - do not top off the tank or the fumes will knock
you out.
Regards,
Marv Sterling
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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 97 07:20:05 -0600
From: David Swingle
Subject: DML: RHD DMC F/S in Aus w/ pix
To the Aussies who have been looking for a Right Hand Drive DMC -
check out
http://www.exp.com.au/class/car/
on the web. Pictures, price, history and phone number. (This might
have been easier to find if the seller knew how to spell Delorean)
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 10:45:09 -0500
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: Re: DML: Fuel pump leak -> maybe not the pump?
Cliff Wallace said (after re-seating his fuel pump):
> But still, fuel finds its way out. Anybody have similar problems or
> solutions? It would be greatly appreciated.
Marv Sterling responded:
> Cliff - I was told a long time ago to fill the tank only until the
> nozzle clicks off - do not top off the tank or the fumes will
> knock you out.
I went through the same thing that Cliff did. After VERY carefully
sealing the pump I still had fuel fumes sometimes. This happened
whenever I topped off the tank so high that the filler tube itself was
full of fuel.
It turned out that the gas was leaking through the sensor connections at
the top of my fuel gauge sender. Any time the filler tube was full
there was enough pressure for gas to seep past the solder on these
connections.
I didn't want to use any type of rubber to seal these connections, due
to the fuel contamination horror stories I had heard. So I removed the
sender unit and sealed all the connections with epoxy, which is more
neutral than rubber.
The epoxy helped, but it wasn't a complete cure. I still get a little
seepage whenever I top off the tank. Has anyone else noticed
seepage from their fuel gauge sender unit? Does anyone know if the
Tankzilla unit is sealed better than the original unit?
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:17:47 -0500
From: Rob Hook
Subject: RE: DML: Fuel pump leak -> maybe not the pump?
>It turned out that the gas was leaking through the sensor connections at
>the top of my fuel gauge sender. Any time the filler tube was full
>there was enough pressure for gas to seep past the solder on these
>connections.
>The epoxy helped, but it wasn't a complete cure. I still get a little
>seepage whenever I top off the tank. Has anyone else noticed
>seepage from their fuel gauge sender unit? Does anyone know if the
>Tankzilla unit is sealed better than the original unit?
>
>- Mike Substelny
Mike,
I had a problem with my fuel gauge sending unit leaking every time I
filled the tank or went around corners hard, up hills, etc. I had
P.J. Grady look at it and he said it was due to a missing gasket. I
looked later an found that the gasket wasn't actually missing, just
placed wrong. It turns out there's a small tab in the sending unit
that goes through a cut-out on the circular gasket and into a slot in
the top of the fuel tank. The unit was installed improperly and the
tab did not line up. This caused the unit itself to be very loose
even when the threaded collar was very tight. The collar was, of
course, just pushing down on the plastic tab. Re-aligning the tab
properly solved the problem for good.
- --Rob Hook
P.S. If you can't quite picture what I'm talking about, just take your
sending unit out and take a look around the top of it. You'll see it.
It's towards the left hand side of the car which makes it easy to
miss.
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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1986 12:57:24 -0800
From: "lseiler@radiance.com"
Subject: Re: DML: Cheap DMCs
At 12:19 PM 10/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
>In my opinion, taken from being a DMC owner for just over two years, is
>that most any DeLorean between $9,000 andd $13,500 is a project car.
>Anything less than that is either a rare fire sale or a parts car and
>nothing more. I will repeat what I have often said here and to others.
>Any DeLorean will cost at least $15,000 to make readily driveable!! No
>matter how much you buy it for, expect to spend no less than $15,000 on
>it before you are done restoring/modifying it. I speak from experience.
>But not a bad experience as I has assumed it was the case when I bought
>the car.
>
>Chase
>
reply:
Hello Chase,
I hate to disagre but I have seen many 15K DMC's that were in good
driving condition.
My DMC came off a used car lot (show room) after sitting a year and
with just a few needed repairs, now a show DMC, spotless, all original
and not a speck of dirt any where DMC. Mostly it just takes time and
care, not a great deal of money. I can't see why "Any DeLorean will
cost at least $15,000 to make readily driveable!!" ....so do you mean
that a "$13,500 is a project car" will cost $28,500 befor it is up to
snuff?
It's clear that there are many DMC's that are daily use types in the
15K range as any one can see just by watching this very list.
Lee
VIN#5729
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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 09:06:21 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0
From: "John L. Stiefel, II"
Subject: DML: attn James Espey
I just wanted to drop you a line and say that I too will be leaving for =
the columbus outing. I hope to see you there. My vin is 3461 and I =
will be bringing it along. Also I have a web page at =
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/stiefel/delore.htm if you are =
interested in putting a link to it.
Thanks a lot
Jack Stiefel Louisville, Ohio
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