Sunday, October 11 1998 Volume 03 : Number 425
In this issue:
DML: Main Bearing Oil Seal Replacement
DML: JZD gets reprieve in sale of estate
DML: Re:on tv
DML: Re: Fwd: clutch master cylinder
Re: DML: The Day Every DeLorean Owner Dreads...
DML: My Classic Car (was "On TV")
DML: CNBC DeLorean Special
DML: Are DeLoreans Y2K Compliant?
DML: DeLorean Event this Saturday in Western PA
DML: Certificates
DML: Replacing window regulators
DML: Fwd: Denver area owners
DML: No Gas!
Re: DML: Main Bearing Oil Seal Replacement
DML: Crash Test Video
DML: New owner, again & question
DML: Re: clutch master cylinder
DML: DeLorean newspaper article
DML: Re: Main Bearing Oil Seal Replacement
DML: My Delorean
Re: DML: No Gas!/ 5 Point Harness
Re: DML: Crash Test Video
DML: electrical malfunction
DML: Re: Crash Test Video
DML: Re: electrical malfunction
Re: DML: electrical malfunction
DML: CHASSIS PART WANTED
Re: DML: Crash Test Video
DML: Re: New owner, again & question
Re: DML: Re: Crash Test Video
DML: Re: Cost to refinish stainless panels
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:24:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Manning <mannings(AT)premier1.net> Subject: DML: Main Bearing Oil Seal Replacement
Hello-->
I've tracked down and plugged up about 2 oil leaks and I only have 1 left (I hope.) There's a streak of oil coming from behind the crankshaft pulley that drives the alternator and air conditioning drive belts. I suspect that its just the oil seal inside the timing cover that has worn out. I'd like to replace it myself since it doesn't seem that involved and mechanics always seem to end up with "left over parts" when they work on my cars. However, the shop manual says to use some specialty "inserting tool" to insert the new seal. My question is: has anyone done this (was the experience a nightmare?) and is the tool absolutly necessary or is it just to to make things easier? Thanks all. :)
Sean Manning VIN#1932
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:16:59 -0000 From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com> Subject: DML: JZD gets reprieve in sale of estate
From the Ocotber 5th Edition of the Philadelphia Daily News...
NEWARK, N.J. -- There has been a temporary reprieve in the sale of the sprawling Bedminster estate of former automaker John DeLorean,which had been scheduled to go on the auction block tomorrow.
The Star-Ledger of Newark reported in yesterday's editions that his former lawyer, Mayer Morganroth, won a delay of at least 30 days -- and possibly as long as a year -- in the auction.
The delay will let Morganroth appeal a provision providing for DeLorean's children to keep the Georgian manor home on 434 acres of pasture and woods.
Morganroth is suing for money he says DeLorean owes him.
"It's not going Tuesday, but it will go. That's one thing everyone knows," said David Roberts, DeLorean's current attorney.
The one-time automotive genius hasn't held a job since his car company crashed 16 years ago. DeLorean says he now lives on Social Security.
DeLorean has overcome legal, financial and personal troubles before. He was acquitted in criminal trials and fended off more than $100 million in civil suits after the collapse of his car company. He also has held off foreclosure of his property for seven years.
"I wonder how he eats from day to day. I feel sorry for him," said his brother, Charles, who said he is owed $2 million by the former automaker.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 00:06:45 +0000 From: chad knott <bto(AT)sunline.net> Subject: DML: Re:on tv
Ops. I didn't realize I didn't put the network. Sorry it'll be on The Nashvill Network (TNN). I can't really tell what time it'll be on though 'cause I don't know myself yet.
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:41:50 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Fwd: clutch master cylinder
Rob, We have no data on any application for this part other than for the DeLorean. Our friendly DeLorean parts suppliers should be able to hook you up with a fresh new unit. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:45:06 -0600 (MDT) From: raddad(AT)cmn.net Subject: Re: DML: The Day Every DeLorean Owner Dreads...
Ouch!
Regarding insurance: I experienced a break-in while on a trip a couple of years ago. Broke the window, ripped up the dash, gouged the vinyl, stole the CD player, etc. The incident occured in Lincoln NE. I got the window fixed in a suburb of Chicago and did the balance of the work myself after I got home. Used two different DeLorean suppliers to get the necessary parts. Installed them myself. I was really concerned about what "proof" I would need for the insurance company. All they asked for was a copy of the police report. Nothing else. Paid the clam without any fuss or paperwork and sent no claims rep to see me. I was extremely pleased and satisfied with how they handled the claim. The insurance company is ITT Hartford.
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:42:30 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: My Classic Car (was "On TV")
The My Classic Car episode November 7 & 8 is a repeat of the 1997 Autofest episode, featuring Lincoln Nation's short lecture and a few nice appearances by DeLoreans. It is Episode #986106. According to their website:
http://www.myclassiccar.com/
this is the last time the DeLorean installment will be shown. My Classic Car is on TNN (The Nashville Network) every Saturday and Sunday afternoon.
While you are at the MCC website, you might notice that their latest Internet Classic Car Challenge, "The Show Car Showdown," was won by JZD's Pontiac GTO, beating out some tough competition. Also notice that there are no DeLorean-related links in their "Hobby Homepages" section, presumably because none of us has submitted any (yet).
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:20:08 EDT From: KKoncelik(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: CNBC DeLorean Special
For those of you at the Cincinnati show, you are aware that CNBC spent the day videotaping the event to add to the special they were running on John DeLorean. the targeted air date was some time in October. They called me on Tuesday and Due to editing and other things they have not yet completed the segment for the show and an air date still has not been set. I will keep you posted so you don't miss it. Thanks
Ken
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:56:54 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: Are DeLoreans Y2K Compliant?
A few months ago someone made a joke about DeLorean time machines and the millennium bug.
Personally, I do not take the Year 2000 threat to automobiles very seriously. I assume that even if my DeLorean's computer does have a calender (does anyone know for sure?), said calender probably gets reset to 1981 every time I disconnect my battery.
But for the amusement of my DML friends, I want to share this article I found on the Internet:
http://year2000.dci.com/articles/1998/10/07auto.htm
The authors claim that an "AMC Eagle" (possibly Eagle Premier?) was tested, and it experienced a computer failure when the date rolled over to Jan 1, 2000.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 15:04:50 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: DeLorean Event this Saturday in Western PA
Reminder:
The DeLorean Club of Ohio will be joined by DeLorean Midatlantic this Saturday for a nice "Fall Tour" type of event. It involves lunch, a drive through the country, then a feast and a night at a rustic inn.
The Medeval feast and overnight accomodations at the Riverside Inn are probably all booked by now, but anyone who wants to join us for lunch or the country drive is welcome to come along. We will be meeting at The Quaker Steak and Lube in Sharon PA about 11 AM.
If you want to try to get a room reservation at the Riverside Inn, their number is 1-800-964-5173.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:00:34 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: DML: Certificates
Just a quick update:
The remaining Limited edition certificates have been mailed.
All Certificates I believe needed attention are complete, I would guess that if you are expecting a certificate and do not receive it by Oct 15th to 20th you should contact me and let me know.
Please bear in mind that the list is the active document, any spelling or information errors on your certificate will not invalidate your reservation, certificates which may not be perfectly printed on the document stock (paper) will not be replaced so don't ask.
The reissue of traded reservations have also been mailed, so if you sent in a reservation certificate you purchased you will be receiving a new certificate with your name and fact information (Vin.Lic,SR No.s) and Gold embossed seal affixed.
Thanks
Lee
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:37:06 -0400 From: Mike Griese <magriese(AT)us.ibm.com> Subject: DML: Replacing window regulators
I have done the dreaded window regulator replacement on the driver's side door of my car. The regulator kit was purchased from DeLorean One and came with a reasonable set of instructions. The key to this repair is patience. Getting the old regulator out is not a problem since you can cut the thing up and remove it in pieces. Putting the new one in does require some finesse with moving the regulator around within the door and taking care not to force anything. I found that it was much easier to fit the new regulator by taking the motor off outside the door and putting it back on after the track mechanism was fitted into place.
It sounds like this is a good topic for the 'zine. If you liked my fuel pump/Tankzilla article in the last one, I could probably be convinced to write one for the window regulator replacement. Particularly if someone wants to donate a new passenger side regulator to the cause! ;-)
Michael A. Griese IBM Storage Systems Division Rochester, MN 55901 Internet: magriese(AT)us.ibm.com voice: (507)253-1853 fax: (507)253-2880
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:59:12 -0000 From: "john l sullivan" <sullivan(AT)qadas.com> Subject: DML: Fwd: Denver area owners
do you know of any one who has a delorean in or near denver,co please let me know thank you john l sullivan johnson auto plaza sullivan(AT)qadas.com
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:48:15 -0500 From: "Brad Smith" <brad(AT)delorean.org> Subject: DML: No Gas!
Well, my fuel pump has finally died on me! A Special thanks to Joe (AT) =
Delorean Services for helping me diagnose it, as well! (THANKS JOE!!!) I =
know that there was an issue of Delorean World in the early 90's that =
had complete diagrams on removing, replacing and refitting the fuel =
pump. It doesn't seem to be a very difficult task, but we all like =
cheat sheets to boost our intelligence! So...anyone that may have this =
issue, I would greatly appreciate a copy or scan via email or just a =
quick briefing on the article!=20
If not, I know Marcie at Delorean Owners has the full tech. library =
on disk in Excel format. Maybe I can have her email it for a few =
dollars more! Thanks in advance!
Brad #1007 Springfield,MO brad(AT)delorean.org
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:08:49 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: Main Bearing Oil Seal Replacement
The tool is used to make sure the seal it put in straight, and reduces the risk of bending the seal. I have done it (on other cars) without the tool, but it does make it easier.
I think it is a cheap tool, so it may be worth it to just buy one. It will still be cheaper than having a mechanic do it, and your more likely to have it done right.
Sean Manning wrote:
> they work on my cars. However, the shop manual says to use some specialty > "inserting tool" to insert the new seal. My question is: has anyone done > this (was the experience a nightmare?) and is the tool absolutly necessary > or is it just to to make things easier? Thanks all. :)
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:18:53 EDT From: ShadowDMC(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: Crash Test Video
Hi all,
I have not so good news to report. I remember a while back someone asked about how the car faired in crash tests and it was down right scary. I had the pleasure of meeting another DeLorean owner in the South Florida area and it just so happend that he had a video of the crash test. This short 2 second clip was part of a Discovery Channel special a few months ago on crash tests. The crash test was a standard head on crash with a wall. Although you couldn't see the aftermath of the crash test the impact mostly said it all. The front of the car was compeatly crushed and the driver door opened half way on impact. Also the car bent upwards on impact. As soon as we can transfer the video to AVI or MOV format I'll post it on my website.
Orlando Lopez #06882
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:35:01 -0400 From: "DOUG T VENNER" <DMC12(AT)prodigy.net> Subject: DML: New owner, again & question
Well, I broke down and bought another DeLorean to replace the one I sold a year ago. It's a 83 5-speed, Blk/Grey int. Vin #16880. On my 55 mile drive home I had no problems, except one. The first time I saw the car it didn't idle. The previous owner put in a idle computer and all was well. About 20 min. into my trip, I stopped at a toll both and after idling for 10 seconds the idle started to jump all around. It sounded like it jumped from like 800rpm- 1200 or so rpm. The wierd thing is that the tach was just jumping back and forth VERY fast right at the 1000rpm mark Anyone have a clue??? Thanx Doug Venner NJ #16880
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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 00:07:15 -0400 From: Vicki Miller <"1000mil(AT)gte.net"(AT)gte.net> Subject: DML: Re: clutch master cylinder
To All DML Members
in reference to the clutch master cylinder... I am able to rebuild them. for a big savings..using new parts.. call for more information all is not lost
bob miller north carolina 1-919-383-6187 any questions call during the eveing hours
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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:45:01 EDT From: ronklimes(AT)juno.com (Ronald L Klimes) Subject: DML: DeLorean newspaper article
Hi! I've been a faithful reader for the past 6-8 months,but never wrote in before. My car is Ser. No.3522, with 27,400 miles. I am the original owner. It runs well & everything works. I just replaced the front tires with Yokohama AVS-Intermediates. I am a member of the Delorean Midatlantic Club. This past Sunday, 10/4/98, there was an article about JZD -complete with an aireal photo of his estate- in The New Jersey STAR LEDGER. You can read an excerpt of it on-line. The address is www.nj.com/njcommunities/ledger/somerset/stories/95fb4c.html I have the original-in color- in my scrap book. Talk to ya later. Ron Klimes
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:50:06 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Main Bearing Oil Seal Replacement
Sean, The special tool will make the installation much easier but is not necessary for the installation. You could use the old seal by turning it upside down and placing it back to back with the new seal. To further help the process lightly coat the new seal with oil, be careful not to rip any of the rubber at the edge of the seal. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 98 13:32:34 CDT From: "Steve Seikel" <seikel(AT)mail.netsites.net> Subject: DML: My Delorean
Hello All,
I recently bought my Delorean (vin# 5xxx) and it seems to be
running quite well, I am the third owner, it has 23,000 miles and a brand
new interior from PJ Grady. It also came with the very large, Chiltons
type owners manual from DMC of california. There was a little bit of
water where the battery was, but besides that its great, i need new
shocks and am getting a 30,000 mile check up to be safe.
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:15:27 PST8PDT From: "Ken Montgomery" <kenm(AT)compctr.ccs.csus.edu> Subject: Re: DML: No Gas!/ 5 Point Harness
> Well, my fuel pump has finally died on me! A Special thanks to Joe (AT) = > Delorean Services for helping me diagnose it, as well! (THANKS JOE!!!) I = > know that there was an issue of Delorean World in the early 90's that = > had complete diagrams on removing, replacing and refitting the fuel = > pump. It doesn't seem to be a very difficult task, but we all like = > cheat sheets to boost our intelligence! So...anyone that may have this = > issue, I would greatly appreciate a copy or scan via email or just a = > quick briefing on the article!=20 > If not, I know Marcie at Delorean Owners has the full tech. library = > on disk in Excel format. Maybe I can have her email it for a few = > dollars more! Thanks in advance! > > Brad > #1007 > Springfield,MO > brad(AT)delorean.org
P.J Grady at one time made a video to show how to install a new fuel pump. They may have also done videos for other repair/replacment items. I just have the fuel pump video. Perhaps their videos are still available? I'd like to have a copy of all of them myself. Any one else out there know about these?
Also, Lee never got around to mentioning it, but he sent me photos of his 5 point seat belt system for me to post. you'll find them on my website along with a load of other photos and stuff I've been adding. Look under 'Special Documents' for the photos of Lee's car.
Ken - -------------------------------------------------- Ken Montgomery My DeLorean VIN #10911 'OUTTIME' Sacramento, CA kenm(AT)csus.edu Operating Systems Analyst W(916) 278-7646 H(916) 944-3252 Please visit my website at: http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm - --------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:09:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Wilson <fluffy(AT)snurgle.org> Subject: Re: DML: Crash Test Video
On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 ShadowDMC(AT)aol.com wrote:
> The crash test was a standard head on crash with a wall. Although you > couldn't see the aftermath of the crash test the impact mostly said it > all. The front of the car was compeatly crushed and the driver door > opened half way on impact. Also the car bent upwards on impact. As soon > as we can transfer
This news isn't as bad as you might think. The purpose of a crash test isn't to preserve the integrity of the car, but to protect the passengers. The more mangled the car looks and the more parts fly off of it, the safer the passengers are likely to be. This is why in modern races you see a driver hit the wall and tires, suspension parts, engine parts, etc. go in all directions but more often than not the driver walks away. It is because the car, rather than the driver, has absorbed the energy of the impact and transferred most of it to the "expendable" parts. In this case, the crumpling of the front of the car, the bending of the frame, and (I suppose) the bending of the door, to a lesser extent, help absorb the energy and prevent the driver from absorbing it instead. I've heard (on this list) of a DeLorean that was in a head-on collision at 55MPH. The front end was destroyed and that frame also was bent but the driver was unhurt.
I'd be more interested in the actual data that the crash test produced. What did the dummies have to say about it?
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:32:43 EDT From: JCox4001(AT)aol.com Subject: DML: electrical malfunction
Heres the skinny. Had a loose conection on the cold start valve. Found it, fixed it, blew a fuse in the process, in the #7 slot, replaced it. Car started, happy camper. Next day, worked fine, except the blinkers wouldn't work all of the sudden, figured it was just a Delorean and it would probably work tomorrow. Third day, deader than a doornail. Jumped it with another car, but would only run for a few seconds after taking off the jumper cables. Whats up with this?
Jeff
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 20:40:40 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Crash Test Video
Orlando, Here is a non scientific evaluation of the DeLorean crash worthiness. We have been servicing DeLoreans ever since the factory closed back in the early 80's, is all instances of collision estimates and repairs the DeLorean has always faired well in crashes even with cars bigger and heavier than itself. When Popular Science reviewed the DeLorean they said; "What we found was impressive; a well engineered automobile with exceptional crash and corrosion protection. Remember, safety means occupant protection not amount of damage to the vehicle. To prove this point sit in your DeLorean and measure the distance between you and all the outermost parts of the car. Factor in all of the materials between you and those limits; stainless steel body panels, reinforced fiberglass, and the interior padding, the numbers speak for themselves. On a personal note, I own a 90 Volvo 760, I feel just as safe if not safer in my "D" as I do in my Volvo. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:18:19 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: DML: Re: electrical malfunction
Jeff, When you take off the jumper cables what is your dash voltmeter reading. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:37:47 EDT From: JSteuben(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: electrical malfunction
Hi Jeff, Just went through something very similar with my car. Check the alternator and your battery. Replaced both...problem solved. Can you go somewhere and have them checked? Good Luck, Joe
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:26:23 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: DML: CHASSIS PART WANTED
TO ALL: I AM LOOKING FOR THE FUEL TANK CLOSING PLATE (PART NO. 101716). THAT'S THE BIG PLATE WITH LARGE BOLTS ATTACHED TO THE FRAME DIRECTLY UNDER THE FUEL TANK. Joe/DeLorean Services 770 631-4800
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:31:32 EDT From: CBL302(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Crash Test Video
On the subject on Deloreans,I own two delorean parts cars,and both had severe front damage,on one car the complete nose up to the upper part of both wheelwells (the weak point) was totally torn off, the nose flew off the car in the accident including the hood. But both doors opened up with no problem,on the second parts car it was basically damaged in the same manner but less severe, basically,if the people in both of my delorean parts cars,were wearing seat belts,they came out with minor injuries,if any at all.
Claude vin#570
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:52:43 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net> Subject: DML: Re: New owner, again & question
Doug, The problem is in the idle speed circuit. The ECU receives a signal from terminal No. 1 of the ignition coil via a white / slate wire. Check these connections as well as the connections to the idle speed motor and both connectors at the idle speed ECU. Also check the connections and operation of the idle speed micro switch. You shop manual will be helpful in locating and identifying these connections, you will find a detailed wiring diagram at D:05:06. If you need to confirm voltages at the various connections you can email me for that information. CAUTION: The idle speed ECU has some sensitive internal components, use caution when taking measurements. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:57:31 EDT From: ShadowDMC(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Re: Crash Test Video
In a message dated 10/9/98 9:25:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dmcjoe(AT)att.net writes:
<< Here is a non scientific evaluation of the DeLorean crash worthiness. We have been servicing DeLoreans ever since the factory closed back in the early 80's, is all instances of collision estimates and repairs the DeLorean has always faired well in crashes even with cars bigger and heavier than itself. When Popular Science reviewed the DeLorean they said; "What we found was impressive; a well engineered automobile with exceptional crash and corrosion protection. Remember, safety means occupant protection not amount of damage to the vehicle. To prove this point sit in your DeLorean and measure the distance between you and all the outermost parts of the car. Factor in all of the materials between you and those limits; stainless steel body panels, reinforced fiberglass, and the interior padding, the numbers speak for themselves. On a personal note, I own a 90 Volvo 760, I feel just as safe if not safer in my "D" as I do in my Volvo. >>
Thanks to all who responded and it's a great releif to hear how generally well the D's do in crashes. When I saw the video 2 days ago with 2 other owners we were in total shock. Thanks again and I will post the video ASAP.
P.S. My E-Mail was Olopez1(AT)aol.com have switched over to ShadowDMC(AT)aol.com
Orlando Lopez #06882
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 18:57:54 -0500 From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller) Subject: DML: Re: Cost to refinish stainless panels
lseiler(AT)radiance.com wrote: >
It will > >cost in excess of $1000 to just refinish bare steel panels, who knows > >how much more it will cost to strip the paint off. > Hi Scott, > > Can I disagree with you on the cost of refinishing the stainless panels? > or better yet, would you mind outlining why it cost a grand to refinish a > bear metal D? > > Thanks > > Lee
Lee, DMC Houston, Charges 2 hours per panel to refinish them. Thats $130 per panel. There are 8 panels.
Scott
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