Tuesday, October 20 1998 Volume 03 : Number 429
In this issue:
DML: leaking fuel lines?
Re: DML: Shuddering--bucking engine
DML: Parts for Sale
DML: A sad day in history.
DML: Re: Trailing Arm Brackets
Re: DML: Eletrical Questions
DML: Another DeLorean sighting
Re: DML: DeLorean Spotting Disapointment....
DML: Re: Steering Column - the wiggles
DML: Re: repair manuals
DML: Re: re: voltage readings vs amperage output
DML: Re: B28E engine
Re: DML: Re: Man-O-Man , them thar spark plugs are in good.
DML: Re: RE: Steering column creep
DML: Re: Shuddering--bucking engine
DML: Re: Electrical Questions
DML: Shutting Off Intermittent Wipers (was
DML: Re: Speaker Boxes
DML: DeLorean Model in BTTF Ride?
Re: DML: Man-O-Man , them thar spark plugs are in good.
DML: Re: Steering Column - the wiggles
Re: DML: DeLorean Spotting Disapointment....
Re: DML: Shuddering--bucking engine
DML: Re: repair manuals
DML: [admin] Unacceptable postings to the DeLorean Mailing List -
DML: Clock
DML: Interested in the DMC 12
DML: Re: DMC Crash worthiness
Re: DML: Interested in the DMC 12
Re: DML: DeLorean Model in BTTF Ride?
DML: RE: cargo net?
Re: DML: RE: Steering column creep
DML: Re: leaking fuel lines?
DML: Re: Clock
DML: Interested in the DMC 12
DML: New owner
Re: DML: Shuddering--bucking engine
DML: Re: Re: Trailing Arm Brackets
Re: DML: RE: Steering column creep
DML: transmission change
DML: DMC Crash worthiness
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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:40:08 -0400 From: Gerald Deutsch <Jerry1(AT)eclipse.net> Subject: DML: leaking fuel lines?
A mechanic friend of mine said that the fuel lines on the DeLorean motors are prone to leakage which may/will cause a fire. Has anyone heard of this as a problem? Has anyone seen this first hand? If you have, what is the necessary repair needed to stop this from happening?
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:41:52 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: Re: DML: Shuddering--bucking engine
At 08:21 PM 10/17/98 EDT, you wrote: >Hi, > >Has anyone out there experienced this? > >Several weeks ago. My car would start to shudders or bucks when it >accelerates. >It wants to die out, but it picks up again and does this in secession >several >times, then it smooths out with some loses of power after it stops >shuddering. It does this whether the engine is hot or cold. (SNIP) > >The strange thing is that is does this when the fuel tank is below nine >gallons, when the gauge reads about 1/4 tank. Associated with the >shuddering >of the engine the fuel pump makes the noise ONLY upon or when the clutch >is >engaged. That is strange, for it has >never done this before and the symptoms goes away when the tank gets fill >up? > >A bad new fuel pump? This is a new one on me. Answers? > >Kayo Ong >#05508 >Lic 9D NY > reply,
Sounds like there may be a tear or hole in your fuel pick up line, which allows air bubbles to enter the fuel system. an air bubble at an injector translates to no fuel for that firing cycle, which would produce the exact symptoms you describe.
Lee
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 06:57:30 -0500 From: Bryan Pearce <bryan(AT)denebcorp.com> Subject: DML: Parts for Sale
I am selling the last of the parts available from the parts car I purchased a few years back. This car was used for its frame to act as a model for the construction of the Stainless Steel replacement. Parts include, Manual Transmission, Doors, Roof panel, seats, wheels, and more.
You can find the list of parts available at:
http://www.delorean-midwest.org/html/service_parts.html
You will find pictures and prices for the items being sold.
Bryan Pearce Pearce Design Components VIN #11529 - The only DMC-12 with a Stainless Steel Frame
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:31:46 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: DML: A sad day in history.
Today is a important day in history:
October 19, 1982 DeLorean was arrested on drug charges.
Where were you on October 19, 1982?!
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:59:57 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: Re: Trailing Arm Brackets
Bob Brandys said: > I while ago I believe that I read that someone is or has made trailing > arm reinforcement brackets. Can awayone recall who it was?
DMC Joe replied: > I know what your talking about and I searched my data base and > could not get a hit. Over the weekend I will run through my hard > files and see if I can locate that info.
I think the brackets in question are (or were) special products sold by PJ Grady. Assuming that I am thinking of the correct product, then I have a brand new set that I plan to install in the future. I won them in the raffle at the DOA Expo in Nashville in 1996. It's a funny thing, I do not remember myself or anyone else mentioning them on the DML before.
If you are interested in learning about these brackets I suggest you call Rob Grady (516) 589-6224.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:32:03 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: Eletrical Questions
> I have been experiencing some minor electrical problems in my De lorean > that > I just wanted to ask the list before I did anything about them. First, > after > I turn on my wipers and then turn them off they always to a single swipe > every > 7 seconds. It stops after I turn off the car and starts up again > whenever I > turn that wiper on again. I was thinking it was the wiper delay thing or > something, but I wasn't sure. Second, my fuel pump would turn on for a > second
This is normal operation. turn the wiper back on and off manually for a second, and it will stop.
> and my R.P.M's would flicker if I flashed the bright lights when the > engine is > off, I'm no sure where to start with this problem. And Finally, my
The high beams draw a lot of current, and sends a spike to the tachometer. I would not worry about it. I don't know if my car does this, I am almost never in it with the engine off!
> drivers > side lock, both locks and unlocks both doors, but the passenger lock only > makes the drivers side lock button flicker like it wants to unlock it or > lock > it but it can't, is this a bad connecting at the passenger side solenoid > or do
Sounds like a bad solenoid. New and improved units can be ordered from the Delorean part suppliers. I also recommend the "Lockzila" module sold by PJGRADY, which will prevent your door lock's from killing themselves.
> I have to look elsewhere for the problem? Also my car is idling at around > 1500-2000 R.P.M's, how would I be able to lower that number to where its > supposed to be. Also, what R.P.M. is it supposed to idle at?
Check to make sure the idle switch is being activated. There is a adjustment for this.
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Date: 19 Oct 1998 08:24:29 -0500 From: Dave.Sontos(AT)cooperauto.com Subject: DML: Another DeLorean sighting
Sunday evening, while my daughter and I were test driving a prospective new car for her, I was just pulling out from an intersection and my daughter starts yelling Dad, Dad, Dad!! Well, panicking, I jambed on the brakes thinking I had failed to see an oncoming car, then I followed where she was pointing and lo and behold there was a DeLorean sitting in a driveway directly across the intersection. It was sitting next to a vintage Plymouth Fury III and had no license plates on it and the grass around it was knee high. After driving the car we were test driving back to the owners house, we returned to where we saw the car just to verify where it was. I didn't want to knock on the door then and look like a tourist, so next weekend I'll take my DeLorean over and find out the status.
Dave VIN 02573
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:40:43 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Spotting Disapointment....
If the car has 450 miles, and has been "stored" it is not a big deal that the hydraulics do not work.
If they do get it running without replacing all of the fuel lines, and cleaning out the tank, run the other way!
I am going to pass on the "is it worth it" question. If someone is willing to pay that much for it, then it is worth it!
My advice would be, Look at more than one car before you buy it.
Jason Trinklein wrote: > > I was out with my mom one day, and I spotted a great looking DeLorean at > a car dealership. I made her stop the car so that I could have a look. > To make a long story short, I insisted that I go on a test drive with > this thing. Now, two weeks later, it is still there, and we have the > intention of test driving it. We got the keys, and unlocked the door. > Now, this may seem steep (and it realy is steep once you hear about it's > condition) , but it cost $26,000. We opened the handle, and the > hydrolics did nothing. I lifted the door full-open, and it slammed shut > again, right after I let go. To save my time and yours, I will simply > tell you what's wrong with it. All the hydrolics are shot, on both > doors, the back engine compartment doors, and the hood. The the driver > side window did not operate. The passenger side did, but it only opened. > I had to push it back up. The dashboard is discolored due to the sun. > The hood for the trunk does not latch closed, also. It also might > contain some hidden problems. This car quite obviously is not worth as > much as I mentioned earlier. My dad was contemplating pechasing a > DeLorean for me to drive when I get older, but he, like myself, was > greatly dishearted at the site a price of this car. > There is a positive side to this car, surprisingly. 1. it is a > delorean 2. 1982, with ONLY 450 MILES! 3. Engine looks like new. > The car dealership is going to try to get it started, and they > will call us some time this week for the test drive. (previously, it did > not start due to the battery) > Could someone please tell me how much this car is REALLY worth? > Please? I figure if they drop the price down to your suggestion, my dad > might purchase it for me to work on until the time I can drive. Thanks. > A DeLorean buddy, > Jason R. T.
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:12:09 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Steering Column - the wiggles
Massimo, Your problem is due to a disintegrated steering column bushing. Although the free play is annoying there is no danger of any steering loss. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:05:01 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: repair manuals
Brian, Workshop and parts manuals are available from DeLorean One, DMC Houston, and P.J. Grady. The previous owner of you car has either a fan by pass switch of has wired the fans to stay on to prevent overheating. Do yourself a favor and purchase the Fanzilla from P.J. Grady, you will need to disconnect the constant "fan on" modification first. You fast flasher is due to a bad connection or incorrect bulb installed in the front directional signal that is misbehaving. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 04:04:10 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: re: voltage readings vs amperage output
Larry, Before you take any action check the reading of your dash voltmeter compared to an external test meter. Attach the test meter to the "jump start post" in the engine compartment and see what you get there. With all accessories off you should read appox. 14.4 volts, all accessories on including A/C your reading should drop to appox. 12.4 volts. If your readings are close than you may have a slight voltage drop going to the dash gauge, if so, nothing to worry about. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 02:53:16 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: B28E engine
Bill, Volvo used the B28F until 1988 at that time they changed to the B280F which is basically the same block with the LH Jetronic fuel system. This engine was used until 1990 and than discontinued. The B28E that you mentioned is exactly the same as the B28F except that the "E" indicates European. Because European emission standards are less strict than the USA the engine can deliver more horsepower. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:53:42 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: DML: Re: Man-O-Man , them thar spark plugs are in good.
Kayo, The plugs are Bosch HR 6 DP available at most import parts outlets. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:49:34 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: RE: Steering column creep
Massimo, It sounds like one of the mounting bolts that attaches the upper section of the steering column to the dash board is either loose or missing. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:23:34 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Shuddering--bucking engine
Kayo, It is unlikely that your new pump is bad, the pump either works or it doesn't. Although you have had all the pick up components changed they should be checked again. The fuel baffle and return system is designed to maintain fuel supply to the fuel pump when the tank is low. The groaning sound you hear is the fuel pump being starved for fuel, when this happens the car will hesitate as you indicated. Re-inspect the baffle, filter screen and pick up hose for proper installation and operation. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 03:45:16 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Electrical Questions
Nick, Your wipers are functioning properly, go to your owners manual and follow the directions for canceling the "windshield wiper intermittent operation". The fuel pump start and RPM flicker is normal on some cars. When you flash your lights a slight transient or surge of current makes its way to the RPM relay which thinks that you want to start the car. When the relay realizes that the engine is not turning it shuts off. Your lock problem is due to a defective lock solenoid in the drivers door. As a temporary fix disconnect the door lock plug in the passenger door. This will prevent current from going to the driver door solenoid, which means that you will have to lock the drivers door manually. If you want the system to operate as it was designed you'll need to replace the defective solenoid and the lock module and replace it with the Lockzilla from P.J. Grady. Lastly you DeLorean should idle at 750rpm at all times, the 1500 and over condition means that the Idle Speed Circuit is not working, start by checking the operation of the idle speed micro switch located under the air cleaner box next th the air measurement intake. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:06:33 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: Shutting Off Intermittent Wipers (was
"Electrical Questions") Sender: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
Nick said:
> First, after I turn on my wipers and then turn them off they always > to a single swipe every 7 seconds. It stops after I turn off the car > and starts up again whenever I turn that wiper on again.
I have experienced exactly the same thing. Whenever I turn my wipers from ON to OFF they put themselves into INTERMITTENT, and after that there seems to be no way to turn them off. To shut off intermittent wipers, you are supposed to be able to push the wiper control lever down for a moment, but this did not work in my car. It was frustrating at first, then I found this method of shutting off my intermittent wipers:
As mentioned in the owner's manual, you push the wiper control lever into the down position, which causes the wipers to make one swipe. Instead of releasing the lever immediately, hold the lever down until the wipers have completed the swipe; the moment they reach their parked position you release the lever. In my car the wipers stay parked.
I do not know if this was the intended way of controlling the wipers, but it works for me and I have gotten accustomed to it.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:34:21 -0500 From: "Duke" <at88mph(AT)mobis.com> Subject: DML: Re: Speaker Boxes
I can make you a box perfect for a set of 10's or 12's. It will fit perfectly in the storage space but you won't be able to use the cargo net. You can see pics of mine at my website. I've added new equipment and will update the pics on the stereo equipment Wednesday. Email me if you're interested.
Thanks in advance,
Duke http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/8952/picpage4.html
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/8952/delorean.html
- -----Original Message----- From: Marc A Levy <malevy(AT)dnrc.bell-labs.com> To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com <dmcnews(AT)world.std.com> Date: Saturday, October 17, 1998 2:12 AM Subject: DML: Speaker Boxes
>I have shopped for such a unit, and have found some that will fit, but >none that fit "Perfectly". > >My requirements have been: > 2 10 inch woofers (or larger) > Must fit under the rear dome light (about 9 inches high) > Must follow the slope of the cargo net, so the net can be put back. > >I have not found anything that will meet those requirements, so I have >started to build my own box. This has not gone so well because of the >odd angles of the area. The bottom slopes down, so the profile of the >box should only have a single right angle (at the top rear corner). > >Any one working on a similar project? or found any pre made units that >will fit? > >Marc
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:26:41 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: DeLorean Model in BTTF Ride?
Last night on TLC they did a show on theme park rides, and one of the main rides then discussed was "Back to the Future." When they showed the making of the BTTF ride, I was surprised to see what appeared to be an ordinary commercial 1/24 scale plastic model of the BTTF DeLorean used in filming.
Somehow they made that little model look perfect, even when shown on a giant movie screen! They added working lights, a good paint job, and other details that made it a dead ringer for a real DeLorean.
Can anyone comment on whether or not the DeLorean was an ordinary plastic model instead of a digital model? If so, does anyone know the techniques they used to make it look so darn good?
Another note: I have never ridden the BTTF ride myself, but I was disappointed to see that the keys they used in the theft scene look nothing like the keys to my DeLorean, or any other car I have ever owned. They looked like somebody's house keys.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:51:32 -0700 From: "Dennis Chang" <dennis(AT)myriad-solutions.com> Subject: Re: DML: Man-O-Man , them thar spark plugs are in good.
Dave:
Aside from Joe's "snapping" method-which I use myself when a standard socket wrench is all I have at hand-you might try using a longer breaker-bar or ratchet. Those standard 3/8" drive sockets are kind of short at about ten inches long. I have a 24" long half-inch drive ratchet that makes all sorts of engine work incredibly easy. All except for the price-that ratchet alone cost me fifty bucks...
Another trick I use that works really well on loosing corroded plumbing (copper is a lot softer than steel or aluminum, so this method will work well for you) is to use a rubber mallet and gently tap the very end of the ratchet in a counter-clockwise direction. It's basically the same thing as Joe's snapping. The light jarring of the tap loosens the threads.
>Well folks, I'm trying (in vain) to replace my spark plugs, and four of >them >won't budge at all.
Good luck. Don't forget that anti-seize compound, and be careful. You don't want to strip those threads!
Dennis
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:09:17 -0500 From: "Duke" <at88mph(AT)mobis.com> Subject: DML: Re: Steering Column - the wiggles
Massimo,
It sounds like you're missing the bushing that goes between the steering column and the metal plate. Look in your parts manual at section 5, subsection 2, group 1 and it's item # 23. If you don't have a parts book, go to www.usadmc.com and do a parts search. The part number is 101994 and see if you have that bushing.
Hope this helps,
Duke www.geocities.com/motorcity/8952/delorean.html
- -----Original Message----- From: Massimo Troiani <maxt(AT)inetport.com> To: dmcnews-digest(AT)world.std.com <dmcnews-digest(AT)world.std.com> Date: Sunday, October 18, 1998 7:44 PM Subject: DML: Steering Column - the wiggles
>I noticed that the end of the steering column (the one which stops at the >metal plate, behind the pedals) is not attached to anything and moves >around freely ( and I mean a-round), to some degree. There must be a cable >or something inside the steel shaft that stops it coming off altogther. >So, is this normal? > >Massimo
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:01:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Wilson <fluffy(AT)snurgle.org> Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Spotting Disapointment....
On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, Jason Trinklein wrote:
> I was out with my mom one day, and I spotted a great looking DeLorean at
That's redundant, isn't it? :}
> condition) , but it cost $26,000. We opened the handle, and the
That's a lot. There aren't many DeLoreans worth $26,000 - maybe a concours winner, or prototype.
Based on what you said, I might pay $12K for this car, $15K tops just for the low miles. With a DeLorean the key is what condition it's in, not the mileage. There have been much better vehicles advertised on the list rcently for not too much more than that. The low mileage does help some - you know the engine is probably in good shape and the frame ditto. Although the engines generally are in pretty good shape, some frames can be pretty bad. You also have a lot of struts to replace - not too hard to do, but still detracts. The low miles might mean the car hasn't been driven, which would mean fuel problems, which could be trouble. The passenger window will probably be hard to fix too, if you care. And it's not as if the dealer is going to provide you service for the car - you're really not getting any benefit by buying from a dealer here.
I think that everyone that sees a D for sale ought to look at the dmcnews.com buy & sell page which has a variety of DeLoreans in varying conditions for sale. You can probably match up any car you're considering with a comparable one on the page which will give you an idea of how much others are worth.
> There is a positive side to this car, surprisingly. 1. it is a > delorean 2. 1982, with ONLY 450 MILES! 3. Engine looks like new. > The car dealership is going to try to get it started, and they > will call us some time this week for the test drive. (previously, it did > not start due to the battery)
This could indicate an electrical leak, depending on how long it's been parked. (Batteries do drain under their own power, too).
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:09:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Wilson <fluffy(AT)snurgle.org> Subject: Re: DML: Shuddering--bucking engine
On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 KayoOng(AT)aol.com wrote:
> The strange thing is that is does this when the fuel tank is below nine > gallons, when the gauge reads about 1/4 tank. Associated with the > shuddering of the engine the fuel pump makes the noise ONLY upon or when > the clutch is engaged. That is strange, for it has never done this > before and the symptoms goes away when the tank gets fill up?
Because it goes away when the tank is full, you might look at your fuel pickup hose (in the tank). You might have a perforation in it that is sucking in air when the tank gets low. Of course, maybe PJ Grady checked this already. :}
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:41:41 -0500 From: "Duke" <at88mph(AT)mobis.com> Subject: DML: Re: repair manuals
Brian,
You can get the manuals from any of the DMC shops. They can also be bought in a set of 4. The fans running constantly are probably because there is a jumper wire connected to the wires that are supposed to go to the thermal switch. Look in the engine compartment on the driver's side. Look for the hose going from the water pump to the water pipe (going towards the drivers side door). If you feel along the bottom of the water pipe, you'll feel the thermal envelope switch (P/N 100816 located in the parts manual at section 1, subsection 3, group 2 item # 65). There should be two wires connected to it. If not, start looking for two wires in that general area that are jumped together. This is why they are running constantly. On the turn signals, this is a common problem with the D. One that's flashing fast usually means that either the front or rear bulb is burnt out, however, if both the front and back are working, try changing out the bulbs. The solder may be wearing off the bulbs. Feel free to email me directly if you have any other questions.
Thanks,
Duke www.geocities.com/motorcity/8952/delorean.html
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:14:32 -0400 (EDT) From: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com Subject: DML: [admin] Unacceptable postings to the DeLorean Mailing List -
UPDATED Date: Mon, 19 Oct 98 12:51:52 -0000 From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com> To: "DMCNews" <dmcnews(AT)world.std.com> Sender: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com Precedence: list Reply-To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
To clarify, the following types of messages are not okay:
* Spam, chain mail, or virus warnings (posting these is grounds for removal) * Press releases, commercial notices, attachments, etc. * Questions asking if the DML has covered a topic previously (use our Web search engine) * Questions relating to a DML subscription (send email to <moderator(AT)dmcnews.com>) * Me-too postings after a topic has been addressed sufficiently * Anything not related to the DeLorean automobile, company and man. * Obviously personal replies (should be done via private email) * Postings from people wanting to buy a "cheap" DeLorean in great condition * Quoting entire messages/threads and then only adding a few lines of new content * Anything else I feel is inappropriate (Iron Hand Espey)
I hope to keep the volume of postings moderate to avoid overwhelming subscribers. Also, I'm more likely to post messages that are well-reasoned, well-written, and avoid unnecessary vitriol. Don't take message rejection personally; it will be done in the interests of making the list a useful resource for us all.
Thank you!
James Espey Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List http://www.dmcnews.com/
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:58:33 -0400 From: Michael Pack <mpack1(AT)tiger.towson.edu> Subject: DML: Clock
Hi
My 81 clock sometimes will display and cut out. It keeps time when it comes on, and keeps time when it does not display. Any Ideas or know how to fix it? The gear selector lights (Automatic) are out too. Fuse is good.
Thank You Michael
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:57:38 -0400 From: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com Subject: DML: Interested in the DMC 12
Hi, My name is Andy. I really like Deloreans and I have been looking around for information on them. I am 15 and I liked them a lot when I was younger, before I knew anything about cars, and of course, It was in "Back to the Future" that I first saw one. Recently I have seen the movie again and I also saw one in "The Wedding Singer". From what I have gathered, they go for about $16,000 to $20,000, depending on their condition. I really would like to get a "D" with a few problems and fix it up. I really like how they have features of world class automobiles at a fraction of the cost. My dad currently owns a '73 DeTomaso Pantera that is black with a black interior and has a delta spoiler. Anyway, my main questions are: A: Can a Delorean be painted, and B: Are there any people who know of Deloreans for sale in the Ohio area or anyone who can provide me with further information on the car.
P.S. Feel free to E-mail me back about the Pantera!
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:37:19 -0700 From: Mostafa Sayed <phoenixl(AT)ix.netcom.com> Subject: DML: Re: DMC Crash worthiness
Actually when you look at the results of the crash test in the video, they wouldn't be the same as if you were to hit someone on the freeway, mathematically you'd have to rear-end someone on the freeway going at least 110-120 mph to get the results you saw in the video. A couple reasons for that, is 1- the fact the the wall is in solid state, and has no moentum 2-the wall absorbs no energy 3-hitting someone on the freeway would cause them to absorb your energy and momentum.
Another good point that someone made was that, the more parts fly off and so forth, the more energy the car absorbs, instead of all of it released on you.
With all the new DeLorean products being made, i wanted to know what all of you would think of a full sized DeLorean poster, for all you owners, and soon to be owners. I always thought a 15'x4' poster would look nice in my house. I've been thinking of looking for a good publishing company that can make posters, and getting a good shot of a DeLorean. Any thoughts? phoenixl(AT)ix.netcom.com
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:08:56 -0700 From: x2600(AT)juno.com (a;sdij asd asd) Subject: Re: DML: Interested in the DMC 12
Hi Andy...
: Yes De Loreans can be painted... :You can find alot of information on them and many other websights at www.valzog.com/delorean/
-Kris On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:57:38 -0400 dmcnews(AT)world.std.com writes: >Hi, My name is Andy. I really like Deloreans and I have been looking >around for information on them. I am 15 and I liked them a lot when I >was younger, before I knew anything about cars, and of course, It was >in >"Back to the Future" that I first saw one. Recently I have seen the >movie again and I also saw one in "The Wedding Singer". From what I >have >gathered, they go for about $16,000 to $20,000, depending on their >condition. I really would like to get a "D" with a few problems and >fix >it up. I really like how they have features of world class >automobiles >at a fraction of the cost. My dad currently owns a '73 DeTomaso >Pantera >that is black with a black interior and has a delta spoiler. Anyway, >my >main questions are: A: Can a Delorean be painted, and B: Are there any >people who know of Deloreans for sale in the Ohio area or anyone who >can >provide me with further information on the car. > >P.S. Feel free to E-mail me back about the Pantera!
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:15:23 EDT From: Elgocho(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Model in BTTF Ride?
>From what I know, and from what I've read in the "Back To The Future: The Official Book of the Complete Movie Trilogy," the models that were used in the movies were specially made by ILM. The wheels where made from metal cause the lights used to light them would melt rubber. I'm not sure what they used in ...the Ride film, but they might of used the same models. If you want to know more just ask and ill look for the book and answer your questions. : ^ ) Bosch<=====
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:09:15 -0500 From: "Bixby, Web" <wbixby(AT)kclife.com> Subject: DML: RE: cargo net?
I was able to get a new cargo net at the Warehouse in Columbus. They are available. Contact any of the Delorean Parts vendors for availability.
Web Bixby
> ---------- > From: Gerald Deutsch > Reply To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 1998 7:08 PM > To: 'dmcnews(AT)world.std.com' > Subject: DML: cargo net? > > Anyone have a or know where I can get a cargo net for my D? Mine is a = > little torn up and I'd like a replacement. Anyone have a reliable = > cross-reference number? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! ---Dan = > Vin# 5493
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:02:47 EDT From: JSteuben(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: RE: Steering column creep
Your problem may very well stem from a grommet that surrounds the steering column where it goes through the firewall. If it's missing or broken out you should replace A.S.A.P. because, 1) the steering becomes very unpleasant and 2) you run the risk of elongating the opening and then a new grommet may be useless. How do I know this? Well, just had the same problem with my car. BTW be sure and lube hell out of the new grommet when you install it, otherwise you are stuck with a sticking, squeaking steering column every time you turn the wheel. DeLorean Motor Company (281) 568-9573, part number 101994, or any of the other DeLorean folks you regularly choose to do business with. Good hunting, Joe
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:36:31 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: leaking fuel lines?
Gerald, NONSENSE! Your mechanic is incorrect. Fuel lines will only leak if they are damaged or have been improperly serviced. There are 3 fuel lines, 2 at the fuel pump and one at the accumulator that have a plastic coating that will crack and fall off with age, however this will not compromise their integrity. We know of no DeLorean fires that were caused by leaking fuel lines. Any car with leaking fuel lines is a potential fire hazard. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
- ---------- > From: Gerald Deutsch <Jerry1(AT)eclipse.net> > To: 'dmcnews(AT)world.std.com' > Subject: DML: leaking fuel lines? > Date: Sunday, October 18, 1998 11:40 PM > > A mechanic friend of mine said that the fuel lines on the DeLorean > motors are prone to leakage which may/will cause a fire. Has anyone > heard of this as a problem? Has anyone seen this first hand? If you > have, what is the necessary repair needed to stop this from happening?
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 19:17:18 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <DMCJOE(AT)worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Clock
Michael, Your clock receives power through the red orange wire that goes to the dash light dimmer. Check the connections at the dimmer. Your gear shift indicator lamp has either dropped out of its holder or the lamp is burnt out. DMC Joe / DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:25:22 -0400 From: Gerald Deutsch <Jerry1(AT)eclipse.net> Subject: DML: Interested in the DMC 12
DeLoreans can be painted. Mine is! I have the most unique paint job I've = ever seen on a D. I bought it that way. It was supposedly painted when = it was new. So, the paint is old and has to be re-done. I am considering = different options in this process. Anyway, good luck in finding your D! = - ---Dan
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:33:56 EDT From: eurojet(AT)juno.com Subject: DML: New owner
First of all, sorry if I insulted any of you by comparing my Fiero to my DeLorean. I promise NEVER to use the "F" word again on the DML. I took my D to get it smogged today and discovered the predudice that D owners experience. I tried to use a discount coupon and look poor but to no avail. The mechanic said, and I quote, "We don't like working on those cars!". I tried to explain that I was in for a smog test, not an engine rebuild! Instead of immediately checking the car, he put it in the garage and just let it run while he figured out where to connect what wire where. I was watching the temp guage slowly go up into the red and quickly went over and turned off the engine. He told me to park it outside until it cooled off and then to come back. I got in the car, backed it out of the garage and KEPT GOING! Onto the freeway and to another place which was run by 6 mechanics and had grease EVERYWHERE! These guys loved the car and I was out of there in 15 minutes with a clean bill of health! The first mechanics left some scratches near the right rear window where they had dragged their hoses across the finish. I'm new at this stuff and am afraid to make them worse. Do I really use a 3M pad for these? Please advise. I also want to show the car in a parade coming up but am afraid of overheating in the stop and go procession. The weather is cool now but I'll still be nervous. I don't want the embarassment of having to push the car in the parade! Any advice? Last question: is it bad to drive in a parade with the doors open? 5 mph tops...Thanks a lot. Fil.
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:28:49 EDT From: UltTgater1(AT)aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Shuddering--bucking engine
I'm having similiar problems and I found water in my tank. I also had some fuel pickup line problems.
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:53:13 -0500 From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut(AT)postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Re: Trailing Arm Brackets
> Bob Brandys said: > > I while ago I believe that I read that someone is or has made trailing > > arm reinforcement brackets. Can awayone recall who it was?
I believe Dave Bauerle of Bauerle Automotive, an advertiser in DeLOREAN WORLD in Radnor, Ohio made these up. His phone # is 614-595-3348
Bruce Benson
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 01:06:34 -0700 From: Paul Gress <pgress(AT)pb.net> Subject: Re: DML: RE: Steering column creep
My car use to creep down over time. I put a bolt and nut along the track to stop the sliding . Also, with this being tight, my steering wheel whould still move up and down about an inch all due to a cracked steering cage. PJ Grady has welded this for me and now my steering stays where I put it and is solid.
Paul Gress
Massimo Troiani wrote:
> Thanks to all for your responses. I forgot to mention that I did know > about > the adjustment nut below the steering wheel. I have tightened this as much > as I can and still it creeps down. I can push it up again but a few > minutes > later it goes back down. > > The up and down movement is not due to the adjustment knob being loose. > It's hard to explain but it's as if it has a pivot right where the > adjustment knob is and it kind of bends. As I said it's hard to explain. > > Anyway since no one else has had a similar experience, I will try to fix > it, however I can. If anyone is interested in the outcome, you can e-mail > me direct. > > Thanks again > Massimo >
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:20:40 +0900 From: Mostafa Sayed <phoenixl(AT)ix.netcom.com> Subject: DML: transmission change
Has anyone here ever tried changing their transmission from automatic to manual? is it possible and how much did it cost?
Later,
Mostafa
DMC VIN#: Soon enough...
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 22:37:17 -0700 From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com> Subject: DML: DMC Crash worthiness
At 03:37 PM 10/19/98 -0700, you wrote: > Actually when you look at the results of the crash test in the video, >they wouldn't be >the same as if you were to hit someone on the freeway, mathematically >you'd have to rear-end >someone on the freeway going at least 110-120 mph to get the results you >saw in the video. A >couple reasons for that, is 1- the fact the the wall is in solid state, >and has no moentum >2-the wall absorbs no energy 3-hitting someone on the freeway would cause >them to absorb >your energy and momentum. > reply:
I take exception to some of the speculation as to the crash video, but first let me say I am not criticizing the DeLorean nor the author, just taking exception to suggested facts that are simply incorrect.
1. "mathematically you'd have to rear-end someone on the freeway going at least 110-120 mph to get the results you saw in the video".
This is not so while it seams logical that the effect of hitting a moving object at twice it's own speed to have the same impact value as hitting a stationary object at half that speed. In the case of two moving objects, the amount of energy absorbed and the amount of deformation in either depend on their individual masses and the inertial forces of both. Such a condition is completely different than a stationary object being struck by a moving object.
2. "is 1- the fact the wall is in solid state, and has no momentum"
Solid, liquid or gas, all matter has mass and momentum of some kind. In the context of the statement above it makes no sense at all. Normally the term solid state refers to electronics devices verses vacuum tubes. The probable intention was to state that in the crash test the DeLorean hit a stationary object.
3. "2-the wall absorbs no energy "
THIS IS DEAD WRONG The wall absorbed a great deal of energy! much of which is transmitted to the ground, with the rest being transmitted back into the impacting object, and into the air expressed as sound. If you doubt this think about 3 pool balls where one hits two that are touching and the one opposite the striking ball shoots off making a cracking sound, while the middle ball appears to remain quite still.
3. "3-hitting someone on the freeway would cause them to absorb your energy and momentum."
Here energy and momentum are being confused, one is the expression of the other.
"cause them to absorb your energy and momentum", The circumstances of such a collision is different in every case, and dependent on many variables and is not the same as the crash test, which attempt to measure a worst case situation. It would be delusory to assume that the forces in a live highway collision would be less than a static impact test as is shown in the DeLorean crash test. The amount of energy actually absorbed by the other Auto could be next to nothing to a great deal.
Again let me stress that my comments are not intended to criticize the author or the DeLorean auto, I feel very strongly that if information about auto safety and auto safety test are going to be posted, they should at least be foundationally correct and clear.
Thanks
Lee
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