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4002. Lee                       Re: Keys and Limited Addition Kits
4003. Ann & Ed Thompson         Re: Spare Tire Air
4004. Marc A Levy               Re: Water Pump Blues!
4005. VegasDMC(AT)aol.com          Overheating?
4006. Marc A Levy               Re: Regarding the concours thread and common misc
4007. rdh(AT)hozt.com              Win a DeLorean
4008. yugoman                   NC car for sale
4009. Chris Coplen              Re: huh?
4010. NJP548(AT)aol.com            DeLorean for sale
4011. Deloreanernst(AT)aol.com     Re: transmission problems!
4012. James Espey               Re: Spare Tire Air
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4014. efren hicks               Spare Tire  dangers
4015. Michael Babb              Re: Stainless Steel Illusion
4016. orentha(AT)hotmail.com       winter-izing ??
4017. Michael Babb              One More Concours Comment
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 01:42:43 -0700
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At 02:18 AM 10/23/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Dale and to all the others following this thread,
>
>What Lee is talking about, is that he has the ability to put the plastic DMC
>head on any key. Now to do this he will require a key that you are using
>that fits your car. Meaning that you can send him one of your Ford keys and
>when it comes back to you it will look like a original DMC key.
>
>Lee, if you need to add anything to this please do.
>
>Robert Starling
>Vin#5252
>
Hi Robert,

That's correct, actually it makes no difference what key blank is
available, it can even have some kind of plastic top of it's own. These get
cut away in the process. I use imported key banks that come from the same
OEM manufacture that made the DMC keys. The only difference is that I order
the blanks in Brass not stainless, this cuts down on the lock ware. If some
one had a 3 key system I could still make keys provided that I get pre-cut
blanks, this ensure that the keys will work when the owner gets them back.

Lee

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> James Espey wrote:
> 
> The spare wheels were produced here in the states, as were the spare tires.
> They were mounted in Illinois, and then shipped to the QAC's from there.

What about the cars that were shipped to dealers and sold before there were
QAC's?  As I understand it, the QAC's weren't opened when the very early
D's were shipped.

Regards,
Ed Thompson (#6419 since 1982) (and still with original air in the spare)

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A lean condition can cause the engine to run hot.  It is a bad idea to
run the car this way, you can cause serious damage to it.  If you have
run the engine this way for some time, pull the spark plugs and make
sure you have not cooked them.  (I have seen a lean run engine kill a
set of plugs in less than 10 min of run time!)

I would suggest you look for air leaks.  Make sure all of the vacuum
hoses are connected, make sure there are no leaks at any of the mating
surfaces of the intake, and make sure there are no leaks at the cold
start valve.  There are a number of hard to find vacuum hose
connections, so use the "map" on the inside of the engine cover to find
them all. 

The "large round valve" under the intake essentially measures the amount
of air going in to the engine, and regulated the amount of fuel based on
the amount of air.  (Similar to a Electronic Mass Airflow Sensor in
modern cars).  If too much air is entering the engine without going
through the "large round valve" then you will have a lean run
condition.  There should be a small amount of air coming through the
cold start valve, and the vapor recovery system.

Santo Commarato wrote:
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> 
> As you can see, I'm having a few problems this week =)  Any advice or ideas
> on how to proceed would be much appreciated!

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Is my car overheating???
Quite often when I crank the car, the cooling fans up front come right on.  They whirl for a bit then stop, then eventually start again.  Recently I was having my car tested for emissions and it had to idle for about 10 to 15 minutes.  The fans came on again and this time coolant from the overflow bottle hit the ground.  The temperature gauge shows no sign of overheating.  It never even touches the 220 mark.  This always happens while my car is idling.  The car is in Nevada, but the temperature is very cool now so I'd like to dismiss hot weather as a factor.

If you have any suggestions or comments or thoughts on the subject, please email me at 'VegasDMC(AT)aol.com" rather than reply to the moderator.

Vin #15596
(with a foot rest)

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My point was that in the context of a De Lorean concours competition, a
car is considered "better" if it is more original.  This is a concept
that I (and I think others) disagree with.

It discourages the community from developing modifications to the De
Lorean.  As a owner always looking for improvements, this is a situation
I am not happy about.

"Grimsrud, Knut S" wrote:
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AutoTrader.com and Reel.com have a free drawing that includes a 1981
DeLorean as the Grand prize.

PRIZES:  One (1) Grand Prize Winner and two (2) First Prize Winners
will be selected in a random drawing from among all eligible entries to
be held on or about November 29, 1999.  Grand Prize:  One (1) Grand
Prize Winner will receive a 1981 DeLorean automobile (approximate
retail value $ 15,000).  First Prizes:  Two (2) First Prize Winners
will each receive a Digital Video Disc player and thirty-five (35) DVD
movies relating to the "Wheels and Reels" theme (approximate retail
value $ 1,275).  

Check it out at:

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This is not mine but if it's the same gentleman I spoke with a while back,
he inherited it from his father, who was the original owner...
81 Delorean, 4900 miles, auto,garaged, one owner, pristine condition, all
original documentation.$23,500.Serious inquiries only. 336-672-5390.
Ad is from Greensboro, NC newspaper.

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Well, I changed mine three years ago and my 5-speed is still working great!=
  If the seals go out after you change the oil then CHANGE the seals.  They=
're twenty years old for goodness sake.  =

Chris
Lic. Gigawat

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On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Danrc30 wrote:

> ---->But I have heard that you're not supposed to change
> the transmission oil on the DeLorean.<----snip
> =

> Why not?

Supposedly it will kill the seals and make the transmission leak.

It seems odd to me, too, but that is what I heard (I think I heard it
here, actually, but I don't remember from who, and it's also possible that
I heard or remember wrong).

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Hey List,

 Just wanted to meantion that I have an offer for $6000 for my car so far.  I 
am looking to sell it for around $8500.  If anyone is interested in the car 
and want more information on the car please go 
to:http://www.dmcnews.com/BuyNSell/dmcforsale.html#67.  I am located in Long 
Island, NY.  I have had the car for almost 2 years and I need to sell it so I 
can save up for college next year.  If you have any questions please feel 
free to e-mail me at this address.

Later,
Nick
VIN#1852

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In a message dated 10/24/99 12:50:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dswingle(AT)enteract.com writes:

<<caused by leaving the original plastic clutch line in the car too long. >>

Is this just a problem with manual transmissions?  
This is the cable you're supposed to replace with a steel braided one, right?
Is this strictly age related, or mileage related as well?
- Wayne
vin: still looking carefully

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At 7:42 AM -0500 10/24/99, Ann & Ed Thompson wrote:
>> James Espey wrote:
>>
>> The spare wheels were produced here in the states, as were the spare tires.
>> They were mounted in Illinois, and then shipped to the QAC's from there.
>
>What about the cars that were shipped to dealers and sold before there were
>QAC's?  As I understand it, the QAC's weren't opened when the very early
>D's were shipped.
>

You understand incorrectly - the QAC's existed from the very
beginning,though their scope changed throughout the company's life.
Initially as a "prep center" then very early on as a "rebuild center"
(upwards of 40 man hours per car afte the cars reached the states) and then
later on as more a "prep center" again.

Things like spare tires, owners manuals and the like were all added here
stateside.

James Espey
DeLorean Motor Company
Houston, Texas

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At 9:46 AM -0500 10/24/99, Marc A Levy wrote:
>My point was that in the context of a De Lorean concours competition, a
>car is considered "better" if it is more original.  This is a concept
>that I (and I think others) disagree with.

"Better" means different things to different people. For someone looking
for a clean, original car - the whole point of concours, yes original is
better.

For someone to think that an aftermarket muffler bracket is "better" than
the factory bracket  *** in a concours competition *** is ludicrous.

>It discourages the community from developing modifications to the De
>Lorean.  As a owner always looking for improvements, this is a situation
>I am not happy about.
>

Hardly. The larget segment of DeLorean owners is now, and will be for some
time, IMO, people just like you, Marc.

James Espey
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dear dml

How long will the spare tire last ?(meaning like in
storage) will it crumble like in back to the future ?
for example if i was to have a flat and i replace the
tire with the spare will it pop or something like that
wouldn't the spare cause more problem than it will
help?
i think its very dangerous driving around with 16 year
old spare isn't there another tire we could put in
there that would fit?

efren
16072
ps
what ever happen to hank breer
oh and im still looking for a remote control delorean
just incase any one know where i can get one.
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Thanks to Rad Dad!  Using www.bibliofind.com I found several coppies of Sta=
inless Steel Illusion.  I found a copy in Pensylvania for $250 (more than I=
 would typically pay, but....) the book is in excellent condition inside an=
d out (including the dust jacket).

Check this site out (if anyone has other "used book search sites" please le=
t the rest of us know) it may well be worth your while.  Much better than $=
500+ from Amazon

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As a bookseller let me tell you that the absolute top price for a pristine
copy of SSI is about $325.  Amazon.com is trying hard to make up for the
$40+ million dollars it lost last year.

Amazon.com, like MOST booksellers, does not stock out-of-print books.  When
they get an order for one, they do a search.  If they find what you want,
they buy it at retail and mark it up to "whatever the traffic will bear".

Do your own searches - free - at www.bibliofind.com - or similar
out-of-print booksellers.

I have no interest in this venture - I just don't like the way Amazon does
business.

Dick Ryan

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Amazon.com, like MOST booksellers, does not stock out-of-print books.  When
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they buy it at retail and mark it up to "whatever the traffic will bear".

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Hi,
 I'm sorry if there are other posts about this, but, as I am a full
time college student and a full time worker, I don't have the time to
check it out.
i was wondering what's the best way to store my D for the winter? Any
tips about anything would be helpful. Feel free to email me directly, I
would appreciate it. Thank you.
also, is there anybody here on the list from Coeurd'alene, ID. I have
noticed another delorean driving around town. just wonderin'

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Sorry,

After all the discussion I couldn't help but add this:

I thought that a Concours competition was supposed to be not for "original"=
 cars.  But should highlight the way the cars "should" have come from the f=
actory.

In our case, I would think a stronger alternator, etc would be a good thing

Michael
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My point was that in the context of a De Lorean concours competition, a
car is considered "better" if it is more original.  This is a concept
that I (and I think others) disagree with.

It discourages the community from developing modifications to the De
Lorean.  As a owner always looking for improvements, this is a situation
I am not happy about.

"Grimsrud, Knut S" wrote:
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<DIV>Sorry,</DIV>
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<DIV>After all the discussion I couldn't help but add this:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I thought that a Concours competition was supposed to be not for "orig=
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cars.  But should highlight the way the cars "should" have come from t=
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It discourages the community from developing modifications to the De
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