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Thursday, September 4 1997 Volume 03 : Number 278
In this issue:
DML: Lambda Counter Reset?
DML: Another one for the Chron
DML: Frame + rust = ?
Re: DML: Lambda Counter Reset?
DML: NORWEGIAN DeLorean Owners
Re: DML: EXPOs
DML: Re:Louvre Supports
DML: DeLorean emblem.
DML: Re: Some Delorean questions from...
Re: DML: Lambda Counter Reset?
Re: DML: Great Car Weekend
Re: DML: Lambda Counter Reset?
DML: alternator
DML: Deloreans in MD/PA/DE Area?
DML: alternator again
DML: RE: Possible exhaust leak
Re: DML: Re: Some Delorean questions from...
DML: Info wanted
DML: Rear Speaker Replacement
DML: Coolant
DML: Seat cover installation report
DML: Re: Info wanted (general questions from potential buyer)
Re: DML: Coolant
RE: DML: DeLorean World Back Issues (was Lambda Counter Reset?)
re: DML: Rear Speaker Replacement
DML: carpet
DML: STUFF !
DML: DeLorean World back issues - two thumbs up!
Re: DML: Re: Info wanted (general questions from potential buyer)
DML: The New DeLorean SUV
Re: DML: Re: Info wanted (general questions from potential
DML: Hilton Head?
DML: Preston Tucker and De Lorean
DML: hood differences
DML: Fwd: RT FT FENDER FOR SALE 500.00
Re: DML: Re: Info wanted
DML: More on Preston Tucker / John Z. DeLorean
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 97 23:06:15 -0000
From: David Swingle
Subject: DML: Lambda Counter Reset?
Now that my speedo angle drive has been driving all summer, I just passed
the apparently magic mileage of 27000, and the Lambda indicator lit up,
warning me to change the O2 Sensor (I believe at 30k miles). This
shouldn't be a problem, but how do I reset the indicator light? I assumed
there was a reset button on the "service counter" box (PN101606) in the
speedo cable link, but can't see anything obvious, and didn't find
anything in the manual or bulletin set, or searching the DML archives.
Dave Swingle
81 VIN 5429
94 Integra GSR
96 Caravan
DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 97 23:06:26 -0000
From: David Swingle
Subject: DML: Another one for the Chron
This must be my weekend for DMC sightings. We spotted the second one at a
Chevy Dealer in Illinois, no plates (licence-applied for sticker), VIN
1121, 2500(!) miles, flap in hood, black interior, 5 speed. Car looked to
be in excellent shape, being serviced in the headliner and strut
department judging by the loose parts inside. In deference to the new
owner, I won't give the exact location.
Interesting - numbers on the two cars are numerically just either side of
"The Siver Fox" on the DML, one was practically junk and the other almost
new.
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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 97 13:53:47 +0100
From: "Sacha Prins"
Subject: DML: Frame + rust = ?
Hi everybody,
I'm looking into buying a DMC12 in the near future in the Netherlands so
I
subscribed to this great source of information. Thanks for having me.
I've been looking around the country for some (7) DMC12's for sale and
I've
come across 2 cars that I'm more than interested in. I still have to test
drive them and look under the car but more about that later.
Yesterday I went to check out a very affordable DMC12. The body of the
car
was O.K. The interior was very good (grey interior with black leather,
never seen that before, very nice. I thought they were either grey or
black.). 25kMiles, new exhaust pipe that made the car sound like a F1
car.
Anyway, we proceeded to check out the bottom of the car, and I spotted 2
wholes the size of a childs fist in the frame newr the left rear wheel
(rusted). I could also see that on other places on the frame there were
rust spots and the plastic coating of the frame wasn't 100% ok. I thought
you had to be an expert to spot a rotten frame, but not in this case (I'm
definitely no expert).
What I would like to know; to what extend is a rusted frame (like this
one)
a waste of money? To what extend is rust allowed on the frame, or none at
all?
Well, this week I'm going to investigate the bottom of the 2 potential
cars
I'd like to buy to see which one is the best. If I need any advise I'll
ask
here.
Sacha
Sacha Prins, Premier Online Entrepeneur Extraordinaire Royal (with cheese)
sprins@businessnet.net http://www.businessnet.net/people/sacha/
http://www.businessnet.net http://www.businessnet.net/people/sacha/pgp/
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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 07:37:47 -0500
From: Jameel Ahed
Subject: Re: DML: Lambda Counter Reset?
Dear DML and David,
I had this problem too, but when I replaced my Lambda counter. The
best way to do this is remove that lambda counter from the car. Then
get one of those large paper clips and cut it to look like the letter
u. Their should be a little round white-yellowish button which has two
small indentations on it. You use the paper clip to act as a key and
you turn the button untill it goes back to zero. Hope this works.
Oh... I had a problem with when I turn it all the way to zero when I
installed the little box the cables actually turned it back to 99 or
something so that darn light would light up again. So I turned it
untill I got it to say 0001 or something to that effect. Hope it works.
Sincerely,
Jameel
David Swingle wrote:
> Now that my speedo angle drive has been driving all summer, I just
> passed
> the apparently magic mileage of 27000, and the Lambda indicator lit
> up,
> warning me to change the O2 Sensor (I believe at 30k miles). This
> shouldn't be a problem, but how do I reset the indicator light? I
> assumed
> there was a reset button on the "service counter" box (PN101606) in
> the
> speedo cable link, but can't see anything obvious, and didn't find
> anything in the manual or bulletin set, or searching the DML archives.
>
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Date: 09/02/97, 12:52 PM
From: Stian Birkeland@world.std.com (dmc_norway@hotmail.com)
Subject: DML: NORWEGIAN DeLorean Owners
Hi, guys and gals!
Being Norwegian, I wondered if there's any NORWEGIAN DeLorean Owners
or Enthusiasts on this list. Let's get together!
Yours sincerely;
Mr. Stian Birkeland
P.O. Box 87
N-4401 Flekkefjord
NORWAY
______________________________________________________
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Date: 09/02/97, 1:17 PM
From: Don Gowler@world.std.com, (Don_Gowler-CFPO01@email.mot.com)
Subject: Re: DML: EXPOs
Message authorized by:
: BRUCE.BENSON@world.std.com@INTERNET at #EMAIL
>I'd be interested in hearing if there are more out there that
>feel they'd like more than banquets and horse back rides in regards to
>enjoying their DeLoreans.
>Bruce Benson
I'm 100% behind Bruce and Dick on this issue. Lets put the CAR 1st and
the
social stuff just behind it.
The Silver Fox
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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 09:10:02 -0500
From: "Mark Hershey"
Subject: DML: Re:Louvre Supports
My two cents on the Louvre subject...more preventive than corrective.
I bought my D back in '88 and it had a minor crack where the left side gas
strut connected to the louvre. When new, the struts presented considerable
closure resistance and made a fulcrum effect that was just begging a
crack.
In my opinion, the struts were too short-- should have been atached to the
louvre closer to the rear end of the car.
My fix was to fashion two aluminum strips to reinforce the inside of the
left and right louvre rails, and to replace the short struts with long
struts similar to those used to support the front hood.
Here's how...
1: Make a masking tape pattern of the left and right inside louvre support
rails.
2: Carefully remove the tape pattern and apply it to a strip of aluminum
purchased from the home-utility metal rack at Home Depot or similar
store.
3: Cut the aluminum to match the pattern. I used a metal nibbling tool,
used
to find 'em at Radio Shack; don't know if they still sell them.
4: Select two suitable long struts. I used the spent struts from an '81
Datsun 200SX hatchback; they wouldn't hold up the heavy hatch door, but
they
held (and still hold) the DMC louvres just fine. If you use new ones, look
up the 200SX cross reference so you will get struts with the right end
size
and thin enough to clear the DMC side panels.
5: Remove the original struts
6: Remove the strut mounting brackets from the louvre
7: Mount the brackets to the slidebar end of the new struts
8: Mount the strut casings to the car
9: With the struts fully extended, raise and hold open the louvres and
position the original mounting bracket where it meets the louvre rail(s)
10: Use a pencil to mark the louvre rails where the bracket mounting holes
will be.
11 (this is a little difficult) One at a time, compress a strut, close the
louvre, and make sure the louvre will close fully with the bracket
position
you chose. If the strut is too long, you may find that it won't fully
close
( i.e., the bracket holes can't be made to line up with your pencil
marks).
This is easy if you use old Datsun struts, might be difficult to manually
compress if you use new ones.
12: If all is OK, drill and countersink two mounting holes in each side of
the louvre exactly like the originals.
13: Temporarly attach the struts and make sure the louvres open and close
OK
14: Remove the strut mounting brackets and prop up the louvre
15: Hold the aluminum strip in place and mark the original strut mounting
holes and the new holes.
16: Find four screws (two per side)and nuts that match as close as
possible
the original mounting screws
17: Mark and drill the aluminum strips
18: Reattach the strut bracket and the aluminum using the original screws
and nuts.
19: Put the new screws through the original strut mounting holes in the
louvre and through the aluminum strip.
20: You may want to drill and countersink more holes along the length of
the
louvre.
21: Mask off the louvre and paint the strip and screwheads with Krylon
Semi-Flat Black acrylic spray paint (great match for the original finish.
Note: I have no idea whether this will affect whether luggage racks will
still fit.
Mark
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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 07:57:38 -0700
From: bpayne@macnet.com (Brandon Payne)
Subject: DML: DeLorean emblem.
When did the DeLoreans start carrying the DeLorean emblem in the corner of
the hood? And when did the DeLoreans lose those lines down the sides of
the
hood?
Thanks!
- -Brandon J. Payne
bpayne@macnet.com
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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:13:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sean P Mullally"
Subject: DML: Re: Some Delorean questions from...
> 1. What are your insurance rates like? I live in the Boston,
>MA area, so input from people from this part of the country
>would be helpful.
24 year old male with clean record through AAA Michigan is
$895 anually (with multi-car discount).
> 2. Would it be a "sin" to get one of these incredible
>cars, and park it outside daily? I do not yet have a garage,
>and it would be my "everyday driver". How about driving in
>the winter?
Mine is parked outside daily, but under a car port to protect
from sun and rain. I will not be driving it in winter conditions;
to protect the car from corrosion, AND from being hit by
other drivers on the ice! Since the car will retain it's value, I intend
to
protect my investment and enjoy the car for a long time.
> 5. Should I try to steer away from the final cars
>that were "assembled by management"?
If your refering to the 83's, they were put together by
Consolidiated (KAPEC) from parts bought from DMC. I
have heard varing reports as to the workmanship, but I don't
own one, so I can't say.
Hope this helps.
- -sean
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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:03:53 -0400
From: Richard Strecker
Subject: Re: DML: Lambda Counter Reset?
The counter reset is not particularly obvious, if you look at the side
of the unit there is a small round button with two holes in it. If you
turn this button it will advance the counter to zero again. The two
holes are meant for a tool of some sort byt you can use a small pair of
needlenose pliers or a bent paper clip to accomplish the same thing.
Richard
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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:51:00 -0400
From: Aldo.Buono@phila.gov
Subject: Re: DML: Great Car Weekend
I agree with Dick Ryan that having a De Lorean owners convention,
regional or national or international, in conjunction with a vintage
or classic car event is a big draw for De Lorean owners.
For this reason, I am delighted that Eastern Regional Run 7 is being
held in conjuction with the Richmond British Car Days in Richmond,
VA,
September 13 and 14, 1997. Refer to previous listing under "Eastern
Regional Run 7" for all of the exciting details.
There is still time to register for this regional convention of De
Lorean owners. Email: jsinger@dmc12.com or Voice: 800-224-3806.
I would love to see 20 to 30 De Loreans in the show this year.
Aldo Buono
President, De Lorean Midatlantic
DMC #14, Board of Governors
VIN 1440
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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:05:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: JSteuben@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Lambda Counter Reset?
There's a back issue of DeLorean World that is a 'how to' on the Lambda.
It's
well written, has good illustrations, and will walk you through the whole
process.
In my opinion, most of the questions that come up here are well covered
in
the back issues of DW. If your going to get greasy under your 'D', shop
manuals
and a complete set of DWs are one of the best investments you'll ever make
for
well-being of your car. Best wishes, Joe :)
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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:00:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: GunkelWWW@aol.com
Subject: DML: alternator
Hi everybody!
I have many electrical problems in the last days.
The Battery discharges day by day (its a new one and okay).
The Batterie Lamp is flashing during driving.
About 3000RPM the voltage output from my DUC Alternator is only near 12,5V
and
at idle my car will go off, because the voltage drops to 10V.
My ground connections are okay.
So I think the problem is the old original DUC Alternator!?
Any suggestions (what else to check or how I can check the DUC) ?
Now the real problem: I cant get a new alternator here!
We cant find a replacement Alternator with the DUC or Motorola numbers.
I really would like to have a BOSCH high-ouput alternator or any other
good one.
Can someone help me ??
Markus Gunkel
Gunkelwww@AOL.COM
Germany
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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 20:34:52 -0400
From: Jeff Crosse
Subject: DML: Deloreans in MD/PA/DE Area?
Are there any DeLoreans in the Maryland, Pennsylvania,Delaware Tri-State
Area for sale. I am interested in buying one and would like to know
thier price and location.
Jeff Crosse
87 Nissan Pulsar NX
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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:50:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: GunkelWWW@aol.com
Subject: DML: alternator again
>From: sundiver@hellfire.dusers.drexel.edu (J)
>Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:57:00 -0500
>Subject: Re: Alternator
>Dear DML,
> I have the ducilier 80, but I know there is Motorola 90, what about
>GM... If you guys have any OEM numbers that would kinda help... I am
>sorry for all these wierd questions. But I think we will definitely
>benefit! Thanx again.
>Sincerely,
>Jameel Ahed
>
>There is a 90 amp Lucas alternator that fits on the DeLorean. If you're
>interested (and not scared by the fact that it's a Lucas part :) ) let
>me know and I can look up the part number.
>
>- - J
Are you still on the List? and can you give me the number?
What modifications are needed to use this alternator?
>Date: Tue, 13 May 97 22:31:06 PDT
>From: "Brandon S. Moody"
>Subject: Alternator Problems !!
>
>I think this car is going to cause me to loose my mind !!
>Here is the story !
>
>One day, my "battery light" comes on, and the voltage starts
>to drop. So, I guess it to be a bad alternator. So, I remove it
>and take it to a local parts store, They look at it, disapear
>to the back, then show up with a new one. Exactly like
>the original. I take it home, install it, and everything is fine.
>voltage is up and light is off. Then, no more than 6 hours
>later, Same thing is happening. showing about 8 volts
>and light is back on. Has anyone else had a problem
>like this ? Is there something else in the system like
>a voltage regulator or something ? HELP PLEASE !!
Have you loose your mind? or can you tell us the end of the story?
I am very interested in the happy end!!!
Thank you...
Markus Gunkel
GunkelWWW@AOL.COM
Germany
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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 18:07:35 -0400
From: Steve Shortz
Subject: DML: RE: Possible exhaust leak
Joe,
I have original gaskets for the DeLOREAN. Price: $30.00 for the manifold
and converter gasket.
Steve
s.shortz@mci2000.com
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cisneros [SMTP:12209@www1.utech.net]
>Sent: Saturday, August 30, 1997 5:50 PM
>To: dmcnews@world.std.com
>Subject: DML: Possible exhaust leak
>
>I suspected an exhaust leak on the left bank same side as the catalytic
>converter or "exhaust purifiyer" as it's called on the part. Well after
>removing the muffler, cussing while impressed at the space utilization
>around the 4 bolt pattern to the catalytic part. I discovered NO obvious
>hole in either the top of the converter or the bottom of the exhaust
>manifold. There is a portion of the exhaust gasket toward the rear of
>the car that is bent (thin steel layer) and frayed abestos gasket
>itself, but doesn't look like it is a potential leak.
>
>By the time you read this i will be under or already out of the garage
>and will have taken off the exaust manifold already to examine the
>gasket. Any suggestions with prior experience while this babe is
>hoisted in the bay with exposed block available ?
>
>How about a good gasket and flange gasket source ?
>
>Joe Cisneros
>805-733-2809 Lompoc Calif.
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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:00:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: KKoncelik@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Some Delorean questions from...
i have one of the consolidated cars and most of the fixes are on them. I
have had no trouble and it seems 83's bring a higher sales price.
you can tell a consolidated car if the undercarriage is undercoated 16000
and
above for the most part.
I'm in Ohio and I pay for full coverage $269 per half multiple car
discount
applies.
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Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 20:24:37 -0400
From: Jeff Crosse
Subject: DML: Info wanted
I am interested in buying a DeLorean and would like some info. Are they
more trouble than they are worth and will it be a good investment.
Jeff Crosse
87 Pulsar NX
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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:22:19 -0500
From: "Travis H. Graham"
Subject: DML: Rear Speaker Replacement
For all of you who want to replace your rear speakers:
This project is relatively easy! You may want to have a short, fat =
phillips head screwdriver or an angled one handy. My car (#6344) had =
the rear panels that had edges wrapped around the fiberglass lip. There =
was no crack in the plastic, so the panel was "sealed" onto the =
fiberglass. I first removed the screws and seat belt. I was not too =
enthusiastic about heating up the panel to remove it, so...I removed the =
rubber cushion to reveal the plastic "seal." I cut the plastic with a =
knife right along the edge of the fiberglass so that when the rubber =
cushion was placed back on, the cut would not show. Use the knife to =
ease the thin plastic away from the fiberglass. There is some sort of =
cement use to hold the plastic on, but it is easily removed. With this =
cut done, the panel is now able to be pulled back to reveal much dust =
and the rear speaker, which is a lousy Craig Powerplay that is secured =
by a clamp (Now you will see why you may want a short screwdriver).
My speakers were destroyed and I am surprised that any sound came out of =
them. The size is 4X10 and that is what I replaced the old ones with. =
But, after looking under the rear panel, there seems to be enough room =
to fit a different size (maybe a 5.25" or even a 6.5" if you're lucky).
After the replacement, you might want to use some sort of cement to bond =
the panel back to the fiberglass. Put the screws and seat belt back, =
then add the rubber cushion back. Now you have one replaced speaker and =
there are absolutely no noticeable cuts, they are completely covered by =
the rubber.
Travis
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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:41:35 -0300
From: "Joel Matos"
Subject: DML: Coolant
Every time i drove my car no matter is 10 minutes or and hour i have to
fill the coolant bottle. I look under the car to see if it has leaks and
it
does't.
That is normal the car didnt overheat.
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:25:23 -0400
From: Mike Griese
Subject: DML: Seat cover installation report
I picked up my car at the upholstery shop yesterday
after getting my new seat covers from James installed.
The installer reported a few minor fit problems that
he was able to work around, but was favorably
impressed with the overall quality of the materials
and worksmanship of the covers. The car now needs
to spend a few days in the sun to allow the covers to
take a set.
The leather used in the new covers is much softer than
my original seats. Part of this I attribute to my car's previous
life in the desert southwest. The grain of the vinyl bolsters
and seatback is not quite an exact match to the old covers
and is perhaps a little blacker than the originals, but if you
hadn't seen the original seats, you could not tell that the
covers are reproductions. The seats are more comfortable
and more supportive than before, primarily because of the
softer leather. Overall I am very happy with the results.
If you need seat covers, this is a very cost effective
alternative to other vendors.
Michael A. Griese
IBM Storage Systems Division
Rochester, MN 55901
Internet: magriese@us.ibm.com
voice: (507)253-1853
fax: (507)253-2880
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 12:06:16 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: Re: Info wanted (general questions from potential buyer)
General questions about buying a DeLorean have surfaced again, this
time asked by Jeff Cross:
> Are they more trouble than they are worth . . .
Absolutely not! True, DeLoreans can be a bit of trouble, but the
experience of owning a DeLorean is more than worth it. I cannot
possibly describe the attention you will get from driving your DeLorean
around, especially when you open those gullwing doors and step out.
Riding in a DeLorean also gives you a special feeling, even if no one is
watching. Enclosed snugly in the stainless steel body, you get the
distinct feeling of being in your own private domain. It feels something
like this: You are in here, so you don't need "them" out there.
> and will it be a good investment.
Well, Jeff, estimates of future DeLorean value vary wildly. But even
under worst case conditions a DeLorean will depreciate much less than
your Pulsar has! Under best case conditions the value of your DeLorean
might go up every day.
List moderator James Espey has found a way to generate income from
his DeLorean. Read "DMC News: The 'zine" at www.dmcnews.com for
details.
You may also find your DeLorean to be a good investment in the social
and business contacts it generates for you. Once I started driving my
DeLorean I was amazed at how many people remembered my face. I
used to hear "Do I know you?" all the time from sporadic acquaintances.
Now people I've only met once before will say: "Hi Mike! How's that
DeLorean running?"
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:34:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: JSteuben@aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: Coolant
You may be suffering from the famous 'disappearing' coolant syndrome.
The
classic place to look first is the two cooling hoses under/ buried by the
water
pump. Good luck. Joe
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:35:35 -0500
From: "Bixby, Web"
Subject: RE: DML: DeLorean World Back Issues (was Lambda Counter Reset?)
I wanted to second the opinion regarding the back issues of Delorean
World. I purchased the set this past Christmas and have found them
extremely helpful. It is definitely a good investment of $350 for your
car.
Web
> ----------
> From: JSteuben@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 1997 12:05 PM
> To: dmcnews@world.std.com
> Subject: Re: DML: Lambda Counter Reset?
>
> There's a back issue of DeLorean World that is a 'how to' on the
> Lambda.
> It's
> well written, has good illustrations, and will walk you through the
> whole
> process.
> In my opinion, most of the questions that come up here are well
> covered
> in
> the back issues of DW. If your going to get greasy under your 'D',
> shop
> manuals
> and a complete set of DWs are one of the best investments you'll ever
> make
> for
> well-being of your car. Best wishes, Joe :)
>
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 97 13:35:43 -0400
From: "Rob Corkum"
Subject: re: DML: Rear Speaker Replacement
From: "Travis H. Graham" , on 97/09/02 10:22 PM:
> But, after looking under the rear panel, there seems to be
> enough room to fit a different size (maybe a 5.25" or even a
> 6.5" if you're lucky).
I ended up using a 5.25" co-axial with a very good dispersion
pattern. However some work is required to make it sit solidly
in place and not be any deeper than the original speaker. The
original co-axial (albeit a 4x10) seems to have been a fairly
good speaker in its day... Car audio has come a long way since
then. I have photos of my install to use for IASCA Car Audio
Competitions; and due to the number of requests I've gotten for
further info on my install, I should be able to eventually post
the information and photos on my website. Stay tuned.
Rob Corkum
vin 1723
rob.corkum@technologist.com
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 97 16:13:37 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: DML: carpet
I'm getting ready to start on my carpet. I'm going to mold new
carpet from a single piece. Just curious to know if anyone else
has attempted this before ?
- -Brandon
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 97 16:11:40 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: DML: STUFF !
This weekend was a very interesting one for me. I completed the
new wiring on my car and hooked it up to power for the first time
in about 3 months. No fires or smoke and it started better than ever.
due mostly to the new ground system and relay layout. NOW,
I'm in search for a " fan fail" module. If anyone has one they
want to get rid of, please let me know. Before everyone ask
why ? I am in the process of designing one of my own to replace
the old one and I have lost the one out of my car. I'm just curious
how it worked and whats wrong with its design. My goal is to
produce a single unit that will control the fans , lock/unlock
doors , run the compressor, and a few other high current devices
that will greatly reduce the overload on fuse panel and relay panels.
If it works out OK, I will consider making quanity for others to purchase
if interested.
- -thanks
Brandon
1983 DMC-12 1993 Taurus SHO
1974 Bricklin SV-1 ???? ???? ???
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 16:39:00 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: DeLorean World back issues - two thumbs up!
This is another favorable recommendation for the DeLorean World back
issues. They not only contain a lot of good technical information, they
contain a few informal tips, and lots of historic information. Those
DeLorean World back issues are arguably the most valuable thing the
Association has to offer.
Right now we web surfers can get them as an "Internet Special." It's a
special deal available only at the DOA website at:
http://www.delorean-owners.org/index.html
For $335 you get all the back issues, plus the binders, plus the technical
index, (and a few more things?) and they also give you a year's
membership in the DOA to boot. I got this package a couple of months
ago and I am very happy with it. I am barely half way done with reading
all those magazines, though!
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:46:04 -0700
From: raddad@cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Info wanted (general questions from potential buyer)
Further to this thread:
Mike is absolutely right. The D is no more trouble than any other 15-16
year old car. If properly maintained, it is more reliaable than most
"exotic" cars. If not, it is a beast; but then, isn't any improperly
maintained car? In my opinion, a D that has been driven regularly is
probably in better shape than one that has sat for some time.
I suspect that some newbie's on this list read the questions for help and
think this is not a reliable car. I think that you would see these
questions on any car of it's age especially when you realize that a lot of
the questions come from persons who are either new to the car and/or live
in areas a bit remote from "quality D service".
The joy of owning a D is in the driving. It comes in two forms. First,
there is the sheer pleasure of driving the car. I have put nearly 5000
miles on my D this summer and they have been very fun miles. This is a
good road car (a race car it is not, but a GT it certainly is). The other
joy comes from the people you meet. D owners by and large are a great
bunch of people. Non-D owners are curious and have dozens of questions.
You can't remain an introvert if you own a D.
Finally, as to the investment: A D had a list price of $26K in 1981,
though few people paid that much for them. A very well maintained D today
will easily bring $18-20K (note emphasis on VERY WELL MAINTAINED)
regardless of miles. I've owned a heck of a lot of cars in my life and
none have had this type of longevity and provided both reliable
transportation and fun at the same time. (The only thing that has come
close is my 68 VW Type III Squareback.)
Thanks for listening to mytwo cents worth!
Dick Ryan
The Rad Dad
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:02:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: dlwrence@ix.netcom.com
Subject: DML: The New DeLorean SUV
For those of you who wish to get a sneak preview of the upcoming DeLorean
SUV,
check out the October issue of Car and Driver on page 12. I think that
the
redneck that did this deserves to drive a Yugo for the rest of his life
(actually, so should the editor of C/D for the smart-ass comment he
made).
Any list members who live in Texas can see the vehicle at a pre-owned
dealership in Round Rock. Also note the clearly visible liscence plate
in the
photo. Maybe there's a way to find whoever was responsible for this...
Mike
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 04:56:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: dmcnews-approval@world.std.com
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Info wanted (general questions from potential
buyer)
From: e/evan/altendorf
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 19:22:29 -0700
Sender: dmcnews-approval@world.std.com
Precedence: list
Reply-To: dmcnews@world.std.com
I always see the same sentiment expressed by D owners: "Yes, the
DeLorean requires fair maintenence, but then, doesn't any car?"
Admittedly I've never owned a car, but my understanding has always
been that there are quite a few cars that will run for 15 or 20 years
on almost no maintenance and still be working pretty darn well ...
(names that come to mind are the Corollas, Celicas, and 200SX's from
around 1980; I also hear that Hondas are exceptionally reliable).
Frame rust? Closing the doors with the windows open causes them to
come off track? Bad relays? Bad A/C? Circuits (taillights, etc)
which seem to fairly reliably peter out? Untrackable noises in the
engine compartment? Is this an unfair portrayal of the D?
I certainly agree that this list will show a disproportionate number
of people having *problems* with their D's than having *no problems*,
and I admit that I've never seen a similar list for a Corolla or
Celica, so I don't have objective data, so don't let what *I'm* saying
make your D lose face.... I'll leave it up to the experts....
Of course all cars require some maintenance to continue running, and
you can't expect a 15 year old car to always be running smoothly.
However, realistically, there are some cars which require less
maintenance and some which require more.
Now, owners, be honest: Is the D one of the former or the latter, and
how much former or how much latter?
- -e.
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:26:36 -0400
From: jeepman4@juno.com
Subject: DML: Hilton Head?
Hi, I live in the Hilton Head Island/ Bluffton Area of SC. There's
rumors that there are close to five DeLorean owners living on the island.
I've never seen one here, but one of my friends, who works in a
mechanic's shop says there's a regular DeLorean there all the time. If
you're on the mailing list, please respond. I'd love to see another one
up close. The last time I saw a DeLorean, was when I was six years old.
I saw one in the parking lot at a plaza. I ran up to it thinking I'd see
Doc & Marty. Thanks a lot!
- -Jeffrey B.
jeepman4@juno.com
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:54:02 -0500
From: "Travis H. Graham"
Subject: DML: Preston Tucker and De Lorean
I recently took a look at the history of Preston Tucker and found that =
it is VERY SIMILAR to John Z. De Lorean's experience in the automobile =
business. Like De Lorean, Tucker created a revolutionary new car that =
was different from anything on the market. Tucker was also shut down by =
larger competitors who were scared of a small company damaging their =
sales due to a superior product. Here are a few quotes from Preston =
Tucker that I think show his situation quite well:
But there is another group-a very powerful group - which for two years =
has carried on a carefully organized campaign to prevent the motoring =
public from ever getting their hands on the wheel of a Tucker...
They even have their spokesmen in high places in Washington. As a direct =
result of their influence, Tucker dealers all over the country - men of =
character and standing in their communities - have been harassed and =
grilled by agents of the government and Congressional Investigating =
Committees...
My associates and myself and the Tucker Corporation have been =
investigated and investigated, time and again...
Most of the political pressure and investigations we have had to face =
these last two years can be traced back to one influential individual =
who is out to "get Tucker"...
Wow, I think that I have heard a similar story somewhere. Any comments?
Travis=20
# 6344
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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 97 23:38:29 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody"
Subject: DML: hood differences
I was looking at a photo of an eary 81 delorean car today
and noticed something different about the car. Besides
the indentations and fuel door on the hood, I noticed that there seemed
to be a slight difference in the leading edge of the hood near
the driver headlamp. Looked to be a slot or bracket .
anyone know of what this was or was it just a bad
photo or damage to the hood. ?
- -Brandon
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 97 23:01:19 -0700
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Fwd: RT FT FENDER FOR SALE 500.00
I got this via email tonight...
James
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IS IN NEED 500.00 E MAIL INJEDOLDS IN MASS.
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 97 11:37:44 +0100
From: "Sacha Prins"
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Info wanted
On Thu, 4 Sep 1997 04:56:32 -0400 (EDT), dmcnews-approval@world.std.com
wrote:
[...]
>Frame rust? Closing the doors with the windows open causes them to
>come off track? Bad relays? Bad A/C? Circuits (taillights, etc)
>which seem to fairly reliably peter out? Untrackable noises in the
>engine compartment? Is this an unfair portrayal of the D?
[...]
>Now, owners, be honest: Is the D one of the former or the latter, and
>how much former or how much latter?
>
Try to see it as a hobby _and_ means for transportation.
Look at it this way, you don't put a Wurlitzer jukebox in your livingroom
if all you want is music. Then you buy a radio/cd player and you are set.
However, if you looking for a piece of furniture to jazz up your
interior,
and you have a couple of 45's or 78's lying around, and you can spare the
money, you buy the Wurlitzer.
Same goes for the car. If you only need wheels to get to work, and you
don't care for cars, then you buy the Honda. But if you like to drive
around in style, have a car already, and want to have something unique,
then you buy a DeLorean, or an MG, or whatever suits you. The existence
of
this mailinglist proves it's a hobby, and the reason that there is no
mailinglist for the Toyota Celica seems pretty obvious to me.
I just bought a DMC12 yesterday (congratulations are in order). For the
money I spent I could have also bought a Porsche or 3 Honda's. But that's
not the issue, I wanted the DMC12.
Regards,
Sacha
Sacha Prins, Premier Online Entrepeneur Extraordinaire Royal (with cheese)
sprins@businessnet.net http://www.businessnet.net/people/sacha/
http://www.businessnet.net http://www.businessnet.net/people/sacha/pgp/
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 09:14:33 -0400
From: Mike Substelny
Subject: DML: More on Preston Tucker / John Z. DeLorean
Travis, did you get your Tucker information from "The Indomitable Tin
Goose" (biography of Preston Tucker) or "Design and Destiny" (book
about the Tucker 48's design team) or some other book that I don't have
yet?
In my opinion there should be a good story there, I just haven't found it
yet. I spent a couple of months trying to find enough to write a
Tucker/DeLorean story for DeLorean World, but so far I can't make it
interesting. The problem is that I need to start with so much background
material on both men that the story becomes long and boring before the
juicy stuff makes sense.
I hate to give away my favorite tidbit, but since the subject came up I
can't resist. According to "The Indomitable Tin Goose" the Tucker 48
was touted as ". . . the most talked about car in the world!" This was an
attempt to market the car on the sheer volume of press coverage Tucker
got, both good and bad.
33 years later the DeLorean Sports Car was marketed as ". . . the most
talked about car in America!" in a campaign that tried to do the same
thing.
I wonder if the DMC spin doctors knew their marketing gimmick was
exactly the same as the one used for the doomed Tucker?
You may yet see a story about this in some future DeLorean World. If
anyone else wants to write it themselves just let me know and I will be
happy to collaborate with you.
- - Mike Substelny
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