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Sunday, September 7 1997 Volume 03 : Number 279
In this issue:
DML: DMC abandoned
Re: DML: Re: Info wanted (general questions from potential
Re: DML: Re: Info wanted
DML: Comparable vehicle values
Re: DML: DMC abandoned
DML: Delorean Slot Car
DML: Upholstry help anyone?
DML: ALTENATOR OR BATTERY?
DML: Comments on Deloreans on this list...
Re: DML: Info wanted
DML: JACK SINGER
Re: DML: The New DeLorean SUV
DML: Hilton Head DeLorean
DML: FWD: DeLoreans for sale in Wisconsin
Re: DML: ALTENATOR OR BATTERY?
DML: EASTERN REGIONAL RUN 7 -- UPDATE -- WHO'S GOING!!!!!
DML: RE: De Loreans for sale in PA, NJ, and MD
DML: Sway Bar--Rear
DML: New Book?
Re: DML: Comparable vehicle values
DML: Tail light fixes
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:18:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Rob W. Frey"
Subject: DML: DMC abandoned
While visiting Macioci Garage, in Lancaster, Ohio, I noticed a silver
beauty quietly resting with other junked cars behind the garage. Come to
find out, the car has license plates that expired in May of '94 and a
mechanic who has worked there at least 2 years mentioned to me it has
never left the yard. If anyone is looking for a fixer upper, you might
put in an offer to the owner. The garage telephone number is (614)
654-1451. It's a sad shame to see it sit and rot.
--Rob
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***
Rob W. Frey
Detroit, Michigan
Deland, Florida
Internet: aa024@seorf.ohiou.edu
I xeroxed a mirror. Now I have an extra Xerox machine.
--Steven Wright
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Date: 09/04/97, 5:41 PM
From: Dick Ryan@world.std.com, (raddad@cmn.net)
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Info wanted (general questions from potential
>Frame rust? Closing the doors with the windows open causes them to
>come off track? Bad relays? Bad A/C? Circuits (taillights, etc)
>which seem to fairly reliably peter out? Untrackable noises in the
>engine compartment? Is this an unfair portrayal of the D?
>-e.
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- -----
Frame rust - yes, an engineering problem. However, once you are made
aware
of it, the preventative fixes are relatively easy and inexpensive.
Windows - yes, they are unique and there have been some problems. However,
in 15 years of D ownership and over 100,000 miles of driving, I have never
had one come off the track or refuse to operate.
Bad relays/circuits - early on, yes. Anyone who still is experiencing bad
realys/circuits has probably never replaced the orignals with the updates.
Again, I've never had a problem.
Tailights - the fix has been pulished many times ans cost less than $10
and
then it's over forever.
Untrackable noises - there is no such thing. If you have a noise you can
track it.
This is not an unreliable car. It has it's quirks because JZD and DMC
didn't have enough model years (one, actually) to get real life, real time
feedback.
Will you spend more maintaining it for 15 years and 100,000 miles than a
Corolla or Celica --perhaps -- even probably. The difference is probably
not as much as you might think and the difference in the joy of ownership
is immeasureable.
I'm a happy D owner!
Dick Ryan
The Rad Dad
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:34:49 -0700
From: e/evan/altendorf
Subject: Re: DML: Re: Info wanted
I'm certainly not going to argue about the style and uniqueness of the
DeLorean ... That's the primary reason I'm on this list (the others
being that as far as very unique sports cars it's one of the more
affordable ones). Hondas are up there for tops in reliability,
quality, efficiency, features and luxury for the money, but I have
never had any interest in them.
If owning a D equates to a hobby, that's perfectly fine. I'm just
trying to get an honest answer to the question of reliability and
amount of time and money required for maintenance. People who say (no
personal offense intended!) that "any 15 year old car requires
maintenance" don't seem to be quite answering the question.
As a person with no other cars, but dozens and dozens of hobbies
already, I have to be realistic in my choice of a car. Style has it's
value; but so does reliability. Unfortunately :) I have to take both
into account.
I know my question has no numeric answer, so all I really hope to do
is spark some discussion on the topic. Sacha, I appreciate your
feedback. Thanks!
- -e.
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 97 11:05:48 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: Comparable vehicle values
As I have been moving the past week and a half, I am finding things I
forgot I had, or knew I had and forgot where I put them. The most recent
example is the Motor Trend and Car & Driver comparsion tests featuring
the DeLorean.
Car and Driver tested the DMC against a 308GTS, a Corvette, a Maserati
Merak and a 280ZX Turbo. Does anyone have a copy of CPI to comapte their
relative worth now as opposed to their cost when new?
Motor Trend did a simialr test, but I think they used a Mondial, Esprit,
Corvette and the DeLorean. Anyone, anyone?
James
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 15:39:40 -0400
From: jsinger@aaacars.com (Jack Singer)
Subject: Re: DML: DMC abandoned
Rob W. Frey wrote:
>
> While visiting Macioci Garage, in Lancaster, Ohio, I noticed a silver
> beauty quietly resting with other junked cars behind the garage. Come to
> find out, the car has license plates that expired in May of '94 and a
> mechanic who has worked there at least 2 years mentioned to me it has
> never left the yard. If anyone is looking for a fixer upper, you might
> put in an offer to the owner. The garage telephone number is (614)
> 654-1451. It's a sad shame to see it sit and rot.
> --Rob
>
>
> ***************************************************************************
> Rob W. Frey
> Detroit, Michigan
> Deland, Florida
> Internet: aa024@seorf.ohiou.edu
>
> I xeroxed a mirror. Now I have an extra Xerox machine.
> --Steven Wright
> ***************************************************************************
This car is not abandoned and the owner is not selling. He was rather
upset that people are calling. PLEASE disregard the message that was
sent out earlier. The car is currently waiting for parts and has new
plates already to be put on.
jsinger@dmc12.com
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 15:54:05 -0700
From: Dave Price
Subject: DML: Delorean Slot Car
A couple months ago I sent away one of the the "Zylmex Pacesetters"
diecast
cars to a guy that made a mold of it, and casts resin bodies of it for
slot
cars! So if there are any HO scale slot car fans out there, you can
cruise
your 1/64th track in style. Just email Ravendk1@webspan.net for more
info!
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 18:14:08 -0500
From: Jameel Ahed
Subject: DML: Upholstry help anyone?
Dear DML,
I just shelled out the money for brand new black leather seat covers
this week. I bought them from P.J. Grady but the only thing is, is that
he doesn't sell the hog rings or the pliers. Well being the do it
yourselfer I am, I looked around on the web and found this place that
sells the hog rings and the plier oh and has this neet little page
showing your all the steps in recovering an auto seat. Here is the URL
http://www.upholster.com/auto/truck.html
I hope maybe this will come in handy for people. I also have a favor to
ask of all of you. If anybody has recovered their seats and has some
quick little handy information I should know about please send me an
email or send it to the master DML. Thank you fellow DMLers
Sincerely,
Jameel
- --
- --------------------------------------------------
Jameel Ahed CEO of CyberTECH Industries
Consultant for VOITECH Computer Solutions
HOMEPAGE: http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~ahed/
VOITECH: http://www.voitech.com
EMAIL: mailto:ahed@uiuc.edu
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 9:15:00 -0500
From: Don Gowler-CFPO01
Subject: DML: ALTENATOR OR BATTERY?
I have a similiar problem to one mentioned a couple of days ago.
The altenator has recently start to put out anywhere from 3 or so
volts to maybe 10 max. Can't keep the battery charged and it also
drains rapidly when I use it after charging it. Before I strip
the altenator out of the car to have it checked out does anyone
think that this may be just an old worn out battery problem?
Motorola altenator with 20,000 miles; battery approx 5 yrs old.
Regards, The Silver Fox
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 11:50:02 -0400
From: Hank Eskin
Subject: DML: Comments on Deloreans on this list...
Hello,
I am not *yet* a proud Delorean owner, but I would like
to just add two thoughts to the thread about the reliability of
Deloreans and the frequency of messages on this list.
First, I do currently own a '92 VW Corrado and subscribe to
that list as well. About 70% of the messages posted
are about _problems_ people have with their vedubs,
and the rest are just useless banter and specification
comparisons. I agree that the sense is skewed towards
problems rather than people who have no or little problems
with their cars. Unless we ask everyone to post a
weekly "Nope, no problems this week" type messages,
it will continue to give people the wrong idea (not
just this list, but all auto related mailing lists.)
Second, concerning the maintenance of older cars
(like Deloreans, etc)... If we maintained our cars
as well as airlines maintained their airplane fleets,
cars would last almost forever! So, the "staying
power" of a D is directly proportionate to the level
of long term maintenance applied to the car (or any car
for that matter).
Third, I am still looking for a D owner in the general
Boston area that I could talk to about seeing their car
and discussing the trials and tribulations of ownership.
Thanks,
- Hank (henry@ix.netcom.com)
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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 10:48:39 +0000
From: James Nichols
Subject: Re: DML: Info wanted
Jeff Crosse wrote:
"I am interested in buying a DeLorean and would like some info. Are
they more trouble than they are worth and will it be a good investment."
Obviously, the people who own Deloreans don't consider them more trouble
than they are worth, or they wouldn't own them.
Jeff, trouble and value are items that only you can weigh. What is it
worth to YOU? If you do want to own a Delorean, you can go cheap, with
a project car that you may be able to drive in a month or so, and have
restored in a year or less, or you may go with a complete overhaul that
you can drive out today to any place in the country without worry, your
choice. The old story is the price of the ticket.
Some people have made money by buying and holding cars. I don't know of
anyone who has made money, inflation considered, on an everyday driver.
If cars were a good investment, you would see Automobile Mutual Funds,
Automobile Futures, and car ads in the business section of your local
paper.
Jim #6884
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:33:00 -0500
From: Don Gowler-CFPO01
Subject: DML: JACK SINGER
Would Jack Singer please contact me - I can't seem to get through on
direct e-mail. Thanks
Regards, Don Gowler
cfpo01@email.mot.com
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:29:09 +0000
From: ausmith@pdx.oneworld.com
Subject: Re: DML: The New DeLorean SUV
Mike wrote,
> For those of you who wish to get a sneak preview of the upcoming DeLorean
> SUV,
> check out the October issue of Car and Driver on page 12. I think that
> the
> redneck that did this deserves to drive a Yugo for the rest of his life
> (actually, so should the editor of C/D for the smart-ass comment he
> made).
> Any list members who live in Texas can see the vehicle at a pre-owned
> dealership in Round Rock. Also note the clearly visible liscence plate
> in the
> photo. Maybe there's a way to find whoever was responsible for this...
Good grief, lighten up. And speaking of lights, a Yugo behind you at
night wouldn't blind you via the mirrors.
Might be interesting to get a look at the drive line. Wonder how he
hooked the whole thing together?
Chris
"Does the prevalence of comedy on television result in excessive
comedy in the streets?" Don't remember who to attribute this to.
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:07:07 -0400
From: jeepman4@juno.com
Subject: DML: Hilton Head DeLorean
Great News! Today I was at my girlfriend's house, and she mentioned that
on her way home from school, she swore she saw one with its doors open at
Autowerks, a Volvo/ Volkswagen repair specialist. Sure enough, on my way
home, I looked over, and there it was. I pulled up at the Shoney's
located next door, and stared in awe through the fence. I haven't seen
one since I lived in California. It was a good day. This one looked
pretty stock, except for the aftermarket dual exhaust. If anyone owns
this, please reply. I'm going back tommorrow during business hours to
check it out, and get a VIN for James. Ta-Ta For Now!
- -Jeffrey B.
jeepman4@juno.com
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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 97 15:13:40 -0000
From: James Espey
Subject: DML: FWD: DeLoreans for sale in Wisconsin
More mail that I received for the list...
- ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------
Date: 09/04 9:55 PM
Received: 09/04 3:02 PM
From: Robert Blankenheim, robtra@execpc.com
To: moderator@dmcnews.com
I am interested in purchasing a DeLorean, and It's been quite difficult
finding one in Wisconsin. So if anyone selling is from Wisconsin or the
other surrounding states, let me know. Thanks
Rob
robtra@execpc.com
- ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------
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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 10:40:01 +0000
From: James Nichols
Subject: Re: DML: ALTENATOR OR BATTERY?
The Silver Fox wrote:
>I have a similiar problem to one mentioned a couple of days ago.
>The altenator has recently start to put out anywhere from 3 or so
>volts to maybe 10 max.......
My bet would be the alternator.
The Motorola alternator has a built in regulator which may be your
problem. The regulator controls the input current to maintain the
output voltage at 14 volts at any current draw up to the 90 amp limit of
the alternator. A burned out diode or two would still put out 12.5
volts or so at a low load (car and fuel pump running with lights and
fans off) if the regulator was good. A shorted diode will drain the
battery in a few hours and prevent you from charging the battery unless
you disconnect it.
Almost any of the larger parts stores can check the alternator of you
remove it from the car and take it into the store. An alternator-starter
overhaul shop may be able to get the replacement parts, but I doubt of
your local parts store would carry them. Of course there is always the
connection problem, are they all clean and tight from the aternator to
the battery, including grounds, or would it be earths?
If your battery is over three years old it could be a question, but
since you say that it still takes a good charge it most likely is not
the problem. It would have to be completely shorted to get the voltages
that you mentioned.
Good luck,
Jim #6884
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:47:50 -0400
From: Aldo.Buono@phila.gov
Subject: DML: EASTERN REGIONAL RUN 7 -- UPDATE -- WHO'S GOING!!!!!
Registrants for Eastern Regional Run 7
Benyon, Bob from New Jersey
Bergan, Michael
Buono, Aldo and John Bell from Pennsylvania
Gintis, Murray from Massachusetts
Grady, Rob and Debbie from New York
Masie, Gary and Jan from New Jersey
Miller, Bob from North Caroline
Nolan, Runkel and Linda from New Jersey
Pack, Michael from Maryland
Senft, James from Maryland
Singer, Jack from Virginia
Whiting, Bill
You can still register and attend. See details below>>>>>>
Aldo Buono, De Lorean Midatlantic, President
EASTERN REGIONAL RUN 7
RICHMOND VIRGINIA USA
SEPTEMBER 13 AND 14, 1997
Every year, the independent De Lorean owners clubs of the Eastern
United States of America hold an annual convention for owners and
enthusiasts. This year's run is hosted by De Lorean Virginia.
Run 7 is being held in conjunction with the annual Richmond British
Car Days, and will include a rally, car show, party and tech session
by Rob Grady of P.J. Grady, Inc.
The host hotel is the Airport Hilton in Richmond, Virginia.
The car show is at the Berkeley Plantation in Charles City,
Virginia.
The party is at the Virginia Aviation Museum.
Activities and lodging are priced a la carte.
Online Information: www.DMC12.com
Registration form and questions: jsinger@dmc12.com
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:02:16 -0400
From: Aldo.Buono@phila.gov
Subject: DML: RE: De Loreans for sale in PA, NJ, and MD
Responding to Jeff Crosse>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
1981 Automatic
18,000 miles, Gray Leather,
Michael Pack, Voice: 410-551-3107 (MD)
Will be driven to Eastern Regional Run 7.
1981 Automatic VIN 02749
33,000 miles. Gray Leather. Excellent Condition.
New headliners, brake pads, tires, ducelier.
Charles Burnett, Voice: 610-932-8179 (PA)
1981 5-speed VIN 05747
33,000 miles, Gray Leather. Excellent Condition.
Stored for four years. Winterized.
Gene Kradzinski. Voice: 215-739-5847 (PA) $16,000.
This listing is a service of De Lorean Midatlantic,
the independent owners club of the midatlantic states of USA.
Aldo Buono, President, aldo.buono@phila.gov
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:10:23 -0400
From: Aldo.Buono@phila.gov
Subject: DML: Sway Bar--Rear
The anti-sway bar for the rear of your De Lorean is manufactured by:
Addco Industries, Inc.
Watertower Road
Lake Park FL 33403
Stock No. 418
I helped another member install it on his De Lorean seven years ago.
It did make a noticeable difference and improvement in the handling
of his De Lorean. Unfortunately, he died. His death was unrelated
to his De Lorean.
Aldo Buono
De Lorean Midatlantic, President
DMC, Board of Governors
VIN 1440
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:11:17 -0400
From: "Marc Levy"
Subject: DML: New Book?
Anyone read this book??
JOURNEY INTO DARKNESS
Arrington, Stephen
1992 NF PB GD
$5.00
John Z. Delorean drug case
Just found a reference to it on the net... I know nothing else about it.
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:36:33 +0100 (BST)
From: Martin
Subject: Re: DML: Comparable vehicle values
Any chance you can either post a transscript on the dmcnews page or print
the jist of the test on here?
Martin
On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, James Espey wrote:
> As I have been moving the past week and a half, I am finding things I
> forgot I had, or knew I had and forgot where I put them. The most recent
> example is the Motor Trend and Car & Driver comparsion tests featuring
> the DeLorean.
>
> Car and Driver tested the DMC against a 308GTS, a Corvette, a Maserati
> Merak and a 280ZX Turbo. Does anyone have a copy of CPI to comapte their
> relative worth now as opposed to their cost when new?
>
> Motor Trend did a simialr test, but I think they used a Mondial, Esprit,
> Corvette and the DeLorean. Anyone, anyone?
>
> James
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 21:36:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: DPitt96279@aol.com
Subject: DML: Tail light fixes
OK, so the tail light fixes are cheap and have been published many
times...
I missed it. How can I keep my brake lights attached to the board?
Also, does anybody have the twin turbo unit? Will I pass emissions?
Donovan
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