Monday, September 7 1998 Volume 03 : Number 411
In this issue:
Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
Re: DML: Re: Electric Turbos / high-amp alternators...
Re: DML: N2O
DML: 100% De Lorean Beef Sesoning & Alternatives!
DML: Location of original DeLorean commercial
DML: Re: DeLorean Commercial
Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
DML: Re: "Spin City" TV Promo
Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
DML: Legend Turbo D
DML: Magazine.
DML: Goodyear NCT available ...
Re: DML: Magazine.
Re: DML: Magazine.
DML: RE: DMC for sale
DML: yet another DeLorean appearance.
DML: Re: yet another DeLorean appearance.
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 21:06:13 -0600 (MDT) From: raddad@cmn.net Subject: Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
Having ridden in Bruce's DeLorean, I can only second his comments. His single turbo provides excellent performance - - I was frankly surprised. Moreover, it appears to "spool up" at the same rpms as my twins. And, while "twins" may sound sexy, you should see Bruce's installation. It IS sexy - in addition to being very functional.
If you are thinking of turbos, do your research and be sure that your system is configured for the D engine. And, remember, the turbo technology has changed drastically in the past few years (and, the Island twin turbo setup is amny years old). There are now turbos that spool up much earlier and/or cover a wider spectrum of the rpm range than just a few years ago. If you think that turbo technology is "80's", just see what the young people are doing with turbos on 4 cyclinder Hondas, Mitsubishis, etc., in Turbo magazine. It may open your eyes.
Finally, as to the twin vs single turbo, the advantage of the twins, if properly sized and configured, is that you can have two very short exhaust manifolds and no "crossover pipe". This should provide for less heat in the engine compartment, a shorter exhaust flow and, thus, more efficiency.
Dick Ryan The RAD Dad
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:07:21 -0700 From: "lseiler@radiance.com" <lseiler@radiance.com> Subject: Re: DML: Re: Electric Turbos / high-amp alternators...
<,,,snip 75-amp alternator to a 200-amp...) Don't know if it's >really possible, but sounded like they had some knowledge about it... >They were in the market of ultra-high powered stereos and those >stupid cars with 50 batteries in the trunk powering a "jumping" setup. > >Anyone heard of rebuilding/improving an older alternator? > >--Dave reply:
When I first got my D the Alt blew up, I used the DML to discover that I needed more amps' and had the shop send mine out for rebuilding. It came back with 100 amp out put, slipped right back into where it came from and cost less than a new unit with the higher amp out put.
It was really no big deal, most Alt rebuild shops can do the job as an every day matter of course. I now have the +13 amp reading under normal usage and +12 with lights and Air running, @ 25kRPM.
My suggestion is that if there is any one concerned about this either just buy a bigger unit or have the original rebuilt.
This will solve a lot of little problems.
Lee
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 21:47:00 -0700 From: "lseiler@radiance.com" <lseiler@radiance.com> Subject: Re: DML: N2O
At 08:45 PM 9/2/98 EDT, you wrote: >Hello I was thinking about putting a N2O System on my D but I dont know if >it >will blow the engine or not and if they make a N20 for your engines > >Jason > > >P.S. N20 means Nitrous oxide > > reply:
As a general rule you can put almost any HP boosting system on any internal combustion engine. There are many standard systems to deliver NO2/Alcohol/water.......
I have commented before and I will comment again that there is a truth here in increasing HP. The more HP you want from a given engine the more it cost and the less reliable the engine becomes.
If you want the magic 200 HP it's not a big deal, just expensive from the PRV.
As long as you are going to go for a non-original DMC why screw with the existing engine, go out and get the biggest engine and tyranny combo that will fit in the space and make all the modifications required.
Any one who actually thinks you can go get a magic cheep single device that will add 70HP for little gas mileage increase that you just slap in passes all emission standards is living in a fools paradise. No such thing exist at the moment.
If you want more power then get used to the Idea it's going to cost you lots of BUCKS!
For my own part if I were going to consider such a thing I would go for as much as possible and get maximum reliability....and that is the GE-352J Regen Turbine engine rated at 960 BHP at the PTO. It will fit easily, There are three transmissions that will bolt on with the proper adaptor Custom made, It would require re working the rear panels and trashing the instrument panel, and likely the whole electrical system, but think of the killer machine you would have when you were finished. Cruise at 200+MPH and still have power left over, and think of the sound and the cool Bang doors you would have and the start up sound would take your breath away..........
Lee
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Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 23:43:45 -0700 From: "Robert A. Rooney" <DMCVegas@ix.netcom.com> Subject: DML: 100% De Lorean Beef Sesoning & Alternatives!
Other that adding turbo kits, replacing/modifying headers, etc... to get more power, has anyone concidered the transmission? About 2-3 weeks ago there was a pay-per-view show on about Detroit hot-rods vs. Japanese Racers. During the compitition, there was a '96 Honda Civic, the engine had been completely modified & it was recorded at being able to reach 600 hp with just a 4-cylinder! But when he got up to the starting line & the light went green he reved his car, but only jumped forward about 2 feet. His engine was so powerful that when he gunned it to take off, the half-shafts spun so fast compared to the wheels that they literally cracked & busted! So what I'm saying is why not try to alter the gear ratios inside the transmission to increase time between shifting so we can achieve higher speeds? No, you might not be able always get a rabbit start. but it might prove better for those of us who have the "luxury" of the wide open spaces where we can get it up to 100 or more w/o other cars in our way, or any extensive engine modifications. Besides, what good is more power if we can't properly delegate it? Just a thought...
- -Robert
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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 19:13:52 EDT From: Elgocho@aol.com Subject: DML: Location of original DeLorean commercial
If you want to see one of the DeLorean commercials you can see it here: <A HREF=3D"http://www.bttf.com/video/">Back to the Future=99 Multimedia Ga= llery of Video</A>
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:23:31 -0500 From: "time@traveller.com" <time@traveller.com> Subject: DML: Re: DeLorean Commercial
>From: Mats Karlsson <ford.prefect@hehe.com> > >I am also interested in this commercial with Michael J Fox if anyone has >it in a computer format..
We will have a Real Audio/Video version of the commercial on our site (BTTF.com) in the next couple of days.
To Be Continued...
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 18:18:09 +0200 From: Mats Karlsson <ford.prefect@hehe.com> Subject: Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
Thanks for your help...
Just curios, I saw a De Lorean for sale in Sweden, and the seller claimed that by increasing the displacement, balancing the engine and changing the cam, he increased the engine to 210 hp WITHOUT any kind of turbo, or supercharger..
Is it just me, or does this sound like a lie to get the car sold?
/Mats
Bill Wilson wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Mats Karlsson wrote: > > > But if the Turbo is designed for a 2.5 l engine, wont the inclrease in > > performance not be as great, as the engine is 2.8l? > > Not necessarily. Turbos are definitely one of those things where size > doesn't matter. The key factor with a turbo is how much air it stuffs > into the engine, and that isn't dependent on the size of the engine, but > rather, on the sort of intake system on the engine and the efficiency of > the turbo. Now, most if not all turbos are adjustable, and you can > control just how much air the turbo blows down the engine. If you have a > turbo designed for one engine, and put it on a different one, then these > adjustments will not have the same effect. But since you should always > check an adjusted turbo with a vacuum gauge anyway to see just how much > air it's blowing, no worries. :) > > The DeLorean PRV6 engine does not accept large boost levels (5-6 lbs of > boost is recommended), and you will reach the limit of the engine long > before you reach the limit of the turbocharger. > > > Is there no Turbo designed for the 2.8l engine? > > > > BTW, Those of you who have twin turbos, what turbos do you use? How > > great is the improvement? > > Island makes a twin-turbo setup custom-designed specifically for the > DeLorean, and the improvement is reportedly about 30-40 HP. Some people > have claimed that it improved them from 140HP to 200HP (and in fact Island > used to claim this themselves), but this is generally unsubstantiated and > Island doesn't make that claim anymore. There is one car which came from > the factory with twin turbos as a prototype, but no one seems to know > where it is. The 1984 model was scheduled to have twin turbo as a factory > option. > > If you want to make some additional modifications such as low-drag > mufflers, removing the cats, straightening or enlarging the exhaust pipes, > or whatever, you might be able to approach 200HP. These sorts of things > may or may not be legal where you live (or desirable - I hate loud cars). > > The idea behind twin-turbos, BTW, is not to increase the amount of boost > produced, but to decrease turbolag. The two smaller turbos spin up faster > than a single large one, thereby reducing lag. I personally don't like > twin turbos because they cost more per HP than a single turbo and are > harder to install and adjust. Oh, and twin-turbo sounds better than just > plain old turbocharged. :}
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:42:11 -0400 From: "DMCJoe" <dmcjoe@att.net> Subject: DML: Re: "Spin City" TV Promo
TO ALL, We provided consulting services to ABC for the production of the promo. Based on all of the requests for more information we have put in a request for a playback schedule for any of you who would like to record the promo off the air. I'll post the information as soon as I receive it. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:02:59 -0700 From: raddad@cmn.net Subject: Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
I'm going to guess that the car that Jordan was referring to belongs to Guy Avellon. He bought it from John D's brother ( not son) who has a GM (I think Cadillac) dealership and, naturally , sold DeLoreans. The oilers are of the ACCUSUMP variety, readily available for anyone who wants turbo oilers (see the Pegasus Racing Supplies catalog).
The turbo set up is NOT the "Legend" turbo, but is, essentially, the Island set-up.
Guy, if I have this wrong, chime in!
Dick Ryan The Rad Dad
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:02:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Wilson <fluffy@snurgle.org> Subject: Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Mats Karlsson wrote:
> Just curios, I saw a De Lorean for sale in Sweden, and the seller > claimed that by increasing the displacement, balancing the engine and > changing the cam, he increased the engine to 210 hp WITHOUT any kind of > turbo, or supercharger..
Depends on how much he increased the displacement. He's probably also taken out most of the exhaust system. Changing the cam does more than you might think, but also has undesirable ecological effects and can also worsen reliability. 210 hp is within the realm of possibility, but it's possibly an engine-only measurement, which will see about a 30-HP loss on the road. Of course, you could put a turbo on it, and then you'd have plenty of power... :)
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:46:11 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: Alpine GT Turbo
I have a picture of the car you are talking about at http://remus.rutgers.edu/~mxl/dmc/cinn/pic11.jpg
This was not a factory prototype, it was modified in the same configuration as the Island Turbo kit (I don't know if it WAS a Island Turbo kit). The oil bottles you are talking about are used to push oil back through the turbo after the engine has been stopped. The theory is that it cools the turbos, and makes them last longer... They can be added to any turbo kit.
As long as you don't shut the motor down within a few seconds of beating on it, those oil reservoir are not necessary.
Marc
Jordan wrote: > That car was at the Cinncinati meeting. It was the dark red, very > beartiful > car which was parked a few down the hill from Rod Grady's green car. The > owners were a father and son who bought the car about 1984 from John > Delorean's son. It was very much like the kit Island turbos but it had a > different oil system. It had two large bottles of oil which were mounted > high on each side of the engine compartment. They said that the the car > was > painted red as a protype and the paint was still perfect.
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:15:39 -0600 From: Greg Guillot <gguillot@mccno.com> Subject: DML: Legend Turbo D
I was in Houston a few months ago and saw the Legend twin turbo prototype in Stephen Wynne's shop. If memory serves me correctly, the car had small nameplates on the body and interior that said 'Experimental prototype - Legend Industries" or something to that affect. ************************************************ Morial Convention Center - New Orleans Greg Guillot, Director of Info Systems & Services 900 Convention Center Blvd,New Orleans, LA 70130 Phone (504) 582-3116,Fax (504) 582-3104 Email gguillot@mccno.com ************************************************
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 21:11:53 +0200 From: Mats Karlsson <ford.prefect@hehe.com> Subject: DML: Magazine.
Hi,
I wonder if anyone knows where on the net, I might find a car magazine article from, say about 1981, when the D was released, describing the cart people's firs impression of the car..
It would be interesting to read something like this.. ;)
thanks, Matt
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:10:09 -0500 From: "Kemp, Nick (MN10)" <nick.kemp@HBC.honeywell.com> Subject: DML: Goodyear NCT available ...
If someone is looking for one good front NCT f drop me a line. It is in good shape (6/32 left per Tires Plus). I'm not looking for a killer price and thought that someone would want one for concours or if they need one replaced.
Nick Kemp
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 16:15:11 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: Magazine.
Many people (including myself) have a number of magazines from when the car was released (There are even a few magazines from the mid 70's on the De Lorean!).
I have considered scanning in the articles that I have and putting them on a web site, but have not because of copyright concerns...
I know of no place on the web to be able to read the articles.. Your best bet may be the local public library. Most will have all of it on microfilm.
Also, DMC Houston sells a "Reprint" of one of the magazines. It has a number of articles in it on the De Lorean.
Marc
Mats Karlsson wrote: > > Hi, > > I wonder if anyone knows where on the net, I might find a car magazine > article from, say about 1981, when the D was released, describing the > cart people's firs impression of the car.. > > It would be interesting to read something like this.. ;) > > thanks, > Matt
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:35:43 -0600 From: Greg Guillot <gguillot@mccno.com> Subject: Re: DML: Magazine.
Check out the DOA's web site - they have a book called Delorean Gold Portfolio for $24.95. When I first started researching DeLoreans, I ordered this book. It has a collection of magazine articles on the D from 1977 to 1995. Good reading. The DOA can be found at www.delorean-owners.org. It is in the Marketplace.
Greg Guillot VIN 2926 - -------------------------------------------------- On 4 Sep 98 at 21:11, Mats Karlsson wrote:
> Hi, > > I wonder if anyone knows where on the net, I might find a car magazine > article from, say about 1981, when the D was released, describing the > cart people's firs impression of the car.. > > It would be interesting to read something like this.. ;) > > thanks, > Matt >
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 01:22:19 -0400 From: Jack Stiefel <DMC-FLUX@geocities.com> Subject: DML: RE: DMC for sale
> What are some of the datails on the car. And where are you?? > John L. Stiefel, II > DMC Vin: #3461 > Licence: Flux1
Visit my site at http://www.geocities.com/rodeodrive/8601/delorean.html
- -----Original Message----- From: GERALD T STEPHENS [SMTP:geraldstephens@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 1998 6:04 PM To: dmcnews-digest@world.std.com Subject: DML: DMC for sale
this is a note to who ever is interested that my dmc 5118 is for sale for 7000 dollars and so if you are interested let me have a note in return.
jerry stephens
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:49:02 -0500 From: "James DeBroeck" <executor@mail.usmo.com> Subject: DML: yet another DeLorean appearance.
I was surfing the web today and was checking out game sites when I saw = something that blew my mind. For those of you in to computer games, = you've probably heard of Interstate '76. Well, Activision is making a = sequel, and guess what car is going to be in it? That's right. The = DeLorean appears to be featured in a new and popular computer game = series. Go to www.activision.com and select the Interstate '82 webpage = to see for yourself. I hope they do the car justice.
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:36:43 -0700 From: "Dave Price" <davep@humanmachine.com> Subject: DML: Re: yet another DeLorean appearance.
> I was surfing the web today and was checking out game sites when I saw = >something that blew my mind. For those of you in to computer games, = >you've probably heard of Interstate '76. Well, Activision is making a = >sequel, and guess what car is going to be in it? That's right. The = >DeLorean appears to be featured in a new and popular computer game = >series. Go to www.activision.com and select the Interstate '82 webpage = >to see for yourself. I hope they do the car justice.
- -- on a side note, look where the guns are mounted on the car. 'Twould make things pretty difficult to get in and out... especially since our windows aren't big enough to pull a "Dukes of Hazard".....
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