DeLorean Mailing List - 9/22/98

Tuesday, September 22 1998       Volume 03 : Number 418



       In this issue:

        Re: DML: BTTF  DELOREANS  FOR CHILDREN

        DML: Console Light Solution

        DML: Re: Console Light Wattage

        Re: DML: Parts, BTTF and more

        Re: DML: Parts, BTTF and more

        DML: Re: Parts, BTTF and more

        DML: As I continue to search...

        DML: Disassembled D - An update

        Re: DML: Disassembled D - An update

        Re: DML: Disassembled D - An update

        Re: DML: Disassembled D - An update

        DML: Re: Windows off track

        DML: Re: Windows off track

        DML: Re: Parts, BTTF and more

        Re: DML: Parts, BTTF and more

        DML: RE: dmc Hot start relay avail

        DML: Re: Re: Windows off track

        Re: DML: RE: dmc Hot start relay avail

        DML: Re: Engine starting trouble

        DML: Dash lights problems

        DML: Re: Power windows - final episode

        DML: Re: RE: dmc Hot start relay avail

        DML: Re: Re: Engine starting trouble

        DML: Clogged brake lines

        Re: DML: delorean for sale

        DML: Re: Dash lights

        DML: Re: FW: Re: Parts, BTTF and more

        DML: Delorean seat covers

        RE: DML: Never believe a photo!

        DML: Oil Pan

        Re: DML: Clogged brake lines

        Re: DML: Re: Dash lights

        Re: DML: Clogged brake lines

        DML: volvo/dmc

        Re: DML: Disassembled D - An update

        DML: turbo....    again..

        Re: DML: Clogged brake lines
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 03:58:07 -0500

From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller)

Subject: Re: DML: BTTF  DELOREANS  FOR CHILDREN
Neil Penny wrote:

> 

> How much would they cost?  Or have you sold them already?

> 

>

Neil

> 

> Ddl52(AT)aol.com wrote:

> 

> > Hello,

> >          I've noticed several recent posts regarding the " Power Wheels"

> > type,

> > Back-To-The-Future, ride-on toys for children. These vehicles came in

the

> > pedal-type car or electric version. I believe the cars were manufactured

around 1986.
Neil, I purchased one of the electric ones for $500.  It was in perfect

condition.  I met the seller at the warehouse in Columbus during the

Cincinatti show and had it shipped home.  It is not as well constructed

as the modern cars of that type, but my three year old son loves it as

does all of his friends.  So I guess it was worth the price.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:51:04 -0700

From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com>

Subject: DML: Console Light Solution
At 05:52 PM 9/19/98 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello-->

>

>	Anyone know the correct wattage for the bulbs that illuminate the

>heater/fan/air conditioning consol panel?  The ones I have are 2 Watts but

>I think that maybe they were replaced with the wrong value at some point.

>That plastic facia panel that they fit into gets way to hot (too hot to

>touch) after a little while and has caused the sticker to peel away from

>the plastic.  The parts manual just says "BULB" with no mention of the

>value.  Thanks. :)

>

>Sean Manning

>VIN# 1932

>

>

reply:
Hi Sean,
	For what it's worth -
	I had the same problem with my DMC when I first got it. I just

finished

replacing all the bulbs and lights in my DMC (most of which were the

originals). All of the bulbs that came out of my panel were "Philips 12829

- - 12V/2watt amp" as stamped on the bulb base, and I replaced them with

"wurth 12V2W" as stamped on the bulb base.

	The panel gets just as hot with the replacements as it did with the

originals. There is a day time solution which entails removing a relay and

using a jumper which will turn off the panel lights except when your head

lights are on.

	You can find that information in a back article in the DML Arch's.

Or if

you save all these DML messages you will find at least 3 to me about this

problem with very exact directions on how to make the jumper and how to

install it.
Lee

 

 

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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 11:07:42 -0400

From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>

Subject: DML: Re: Console Light Wattage
Sean,

2 watts is the correct value for the AC panel lights and they normally run

very hot. Here is an easy modification that will dim the lamps about 30%.

Remove the AC panel lamp relay, back row three from the left side,  if the

lights go out you have the correct relay.

Install a jumper wire between the back horizontal blade socket and the

front vertical socket; that's it !  Your AC lamps will now be dimmer and

cooler. The relay will no longer be needed, save it as a spare for your

other relays. If you have any questions you can e-mail me directly.

Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:36:45 -0400

From: Sean Jones <shain(AT)noln.com>

Subject: Re: DML: Parts, BTTF and more
Hello,
Could you scan and pu the page on the net?  I would like to see them very

much.
- - Shain
Watkins Family watbmv(AT)megalink.net wrote:
> With the vast resources out there is there anywhay to find out who are the

> "suppliers" of various parts that are made for the car?  ie: pinion boots,

> light switches, etc   (more that is what is on the DMC12.COM list).

>

> I used to do work at an editing studio on the Universal backlot in the mid

> to late eighties.  I had occassion to wander into the back lot where the

> "future" Hill Valley set was still in place (before the backlot fire)

They

> had one the cars positioned so the trams could get a good look at it as

> well as the entire set.

>

> On one visit I was hangin out underneath the Texaco Gas Station where the

> alley was when Marty first arrived to the future.  Underneath the station

> was a futuristic vending machine "mall"  One of the big units was a 7-11

> "Compuvend"  machine.  The prop had small doors that had handmade signs

> that say "COMPUVEND" on them that went all around it in a circle.  I

> noticed that there was one of these signs still attached.  It is now

> proudly displayed in my "D".   I'm glad I aquired it as soon after the

> entire section of the set was destoyed in the fire.  Gone where the Cafe

> 80's as well as the Gas Station.  Luckily the courthouse and the opposite

> side of the set where saved.

>

> I have pictures of the COMPUVEND set if anyone is interested as well as

> interior shots of the car that I took at the BTTF 1,2&3 trilogy screening

> in Los Angeles.

>

> A funny thing about the screening.  I drove my car to the Cinerama Dome on

> Sunset and had many hours to kill before the start of the screening.

There

> was a crew from Universal working on the BTTF car so they could display it

> in the front of the theater.  Due to OSHA regulations they had to drain

the

> gas as well as disconnect the battery.  The guys working on the car

> (believe it or not) thought they had to remove ALL the stuff in the engine

> compartment.....Thrusters and all!!  They were freakin out to say the

> least.  Up steps me "hey guys, whats the trouble?"  reply "nothing kid,

> we're just trying to get the car ready for show"  They continued swearing

> that they didn't have time to do it.  Up steps me again....."uh

> guys?"........are you looking for the battery?.   They all look at each

> other...."Uh... yeah".  "well, your looking in the wrong place, it's

behind

> the passenger seat".  They pop the seat forward and lo and behold, a

> battery!   "Uh, Thanks".   They even took my picture sitting in the car,

> ahh! instant friendship.

>

> Also, coming to work the BTTF car was parked for several weeks nead one of

> the sound stages.  I got several really nice shots of my Delorean and one

> of the movie cars side by side.

>

> Tom Watkins

> 2 time DMC owner
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:29:42 EDT

From: GullwingD(AT)aol.com

Subject: Re: DML: Parts, BTTF and more
Hi, could you send me pics of all this?  I am a huge BttF fan and i know

every

detail of the time machines interior and exterior. Fact: only 6 DMC-12's

were

used in the trilogy, 2 or three mock ups were build for god knows what, yet

these extra time machine cars were never used n the film.   
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 14:38:15 -0000

From: "Ray Bradshaw" <rmelton(AT)clandjop.com>

Subject: DML: Re: Parts, BTTF and more
Hello. My name is Ray Bradshaw. I will be working on a project in the near

future. I plan to be part of a group of people who will be attempting to

recreate the "time machine" from Back to the Future. Our only setback is

that we have no measurements. Would you happen to know of a source where we

could get plans for the "time machine" from Back to the Future ? Thank you

for your time.
		Ray Bradshaw 
- ----------

> From: Watkins Family  watbmv(AT)megalink.net

> To: dmcnews(AT)world.std.com

> Subject: DML: Parts, BTTF and more

> Date: Saturday, September 19, 1998 10:21 PM

> 

> With the vast resources out there is there anywhay to find out who are

the

> "suppliers" of various parts that are made for the car?  ie: pinion

boots,

> light switches, etc   (more that is what is on the DMC12.COM list).   

> 

> I used to do work at an editing studio on the Universal backlot in the

mid

> to late eighties.  I had occassion to wander into the back lot where the

> "future" Hill Valley set was still in place (before the backlot fire) 

They

> had one the cars positioned so the trams could get a good look at it as

> well as the entire set.

> 
<snip>
> 

> Tom Watkins

> 2 time DMC owner 

> 
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:41:33 -0400

From: "DOUG T VENNER" <DMC12(AT)prodigy.net>

Subject: DML: As I continue to search...
I posted last week about a 81 i was looking at with 7k miles and has sat

since 84. Thanx to all that responded to my questions. Since my last post I

went to look at a 83 5-speed, black/grey int. with 45,000 miles, perfect

body and interior. the only problems I found with the car is it needs door

struts, missing the coil cover under the hood, couple chips in both facias,

and not really much else. The car drove nice and has all updates as well as

the updated window motors. The owner seems pretty firm at $14k which sounds

pretty fair to me, it's only gonna take a few hundred bucks to really make

it near perfect from what I could tell. I'm still torn between this car and

the 81. Maybe I'll just wave $10 in front of the guy's face and see if he

bites. My main concern on that car is that it needs quarter panel, and the

fact it has sat for almost 14 years. It's almost a year now since I got rid

of my last DeLorean and I'm going nuts. Hope to be buying one of these cars

real soon. Any advise on the topic would be helpfull.

Doug Venner

DMC12(AT)prodigy.net
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:00:02 -0400

From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand(AT)ketchum.com>

Subject: DML: Disassembled D - An update
Thanks to all of you who have responded with help and advice on my

quest.  I have recently found a disassembled D for sale right in my

local area for sale for $5,000.  I finally got a chance to go look at

the car this Saturday, and here is what I found:
First off, I was standing right next to the car, and didn't even see

it.  It is stripped down to the chassis, which is sitting directly on

the floor.  Parts are piled around the vehicle, and the majority of a

Kenworth cab is sitting on the front of the car.  Basically, the D that

got creamed by the train at the end of BTTF 3 was in less pieces than

this one.
The owner collects Lotus cars, and bought the D on a whim.  He

disassembled it 7 years ago to totally clean and rebuild the car as a

present for his wife.  As fate would have it, they divorced shortly

after, and the D has sat untouched ever since.  He claims that

everything is there, except the windshield and rear glass, which he

broke whilst taking out the torsion bars for the doors.  The chassis is

completely stripped down -- no interior, no hood/fenders/quarters/trunk

installed (although the doors are still mounted).  The engine has met

the same fate, and I recognized a few parts such as the aluminum intake

sitting in plastic wrap and boxes all around the car.  The interior

pieces and seats are still in good shape.  There is almost a 1/4" of

protective dust on the car (it is in a diesel truck garage).
I still have some questions to ask the owner (mileage, which year, is it

a turbo, and auto or manual trans) but I think I will probably throw all

reason to the wind and go ahead and purchase the car.
Enough of my rambling: now direct to my questions:
1) Does $5k sound like a reasonable price for this D?

2) Anybody have a spare front/rear glass set they want to get rid of?

Email with price please at forwardlook(AT)geocities.com

3) Are there any local Pittsburgh, PA owners on the list who might be

able to help me when I have questions?

4) Have I gone comletely insane? ;)
- -Dave
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:28:56 PDT

From: "De Miller" <demillerkansas(AT)hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: DML: Disassembled D - An update
Dave:

   1) NO!

   2) No info

   3) No info

   4) YES!!!!!

   Check out the classified on DMCnews.com. There are at least two 

listings for cars (all in one piece) for $6,000. I would venture to 

guess that buying a D like the one you're looking at, you will end up 

spending thousands of hours and many more thousands of dollars putting 

it back together. Spend $10 to 12,000 right off the bat and you'll be 

better. None of my business, but just my 2 cents worth.

De Miller, Kansas City
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>Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:00:02 -0400

>From: "Dave Stragand" <dave.stragand(AT)ketchum.com>

>To: dmcnews-digest(AT)world.std.com

>Subject: DML: Disassembled D - An update

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>

>Thanks to all of you who have responded with help and advice on my

>quest.  I have recently found a disassembled D for sale right in my

>local area for sale for $5,000.  I finally got a chance to go look at

>the car this Saturday, and here is what I found:

>

>First off, I was standing right next to the car, and didn't even see

>it.  It is stripped down to the chassis, which is sitting directly on

>the floor.  Parts are piled around the vehicle, and the majority of a

>Kenworth cab is sitting on the front of the car.  Basically, the D that

>got creamed by the train at the end of BTTF 3 was in less pieces than

>this one.

>

>The owner collects Lotus cars, and bought the D on a whim.  He

>disassembled it 7 years ago to totally clean and rebuild the car as a

>present for his wife.  As fate would have it, they divorced shortly

>after, and the D has sat untouched ever since.  He claims that

>everything is there, except the windshield and rear glass, which he

>broke whilst taking out the torsion bars for the doors.  The chassis is

>completely stripped down -- no interior, no hood/fenders/quarters/trunk

>installed (although the doors are still mounted).  The engine has met

>the same fate, and I recognized a few parts such as the aluminum intake

>sitting in plastic wrap and boxes all around the car.  The interior

>pieces and seats are still in good shape.  There is almost a 1/4" of

>protective dust on the car (it is in a diesel truck garage).

>

>I still have some questions to ask the owner (mileage, which year, is 

it

>a turbo, and auto or manual trans) but I think I will probably throw 

all

>reason to the wind and go ahead and purchase the car.

>

>Enough of my rambling: now direct to my questions:

>

>1) Does $5k sound like a reasonable price for this D?

>2) Anybody have a spare front/rear glass set they want to get rid of?

>Email with price please at forwardlook(AT)geocities.com

>3) Are there any local Pittsburgh, PA owners on the list who might be

>able to help me when I have questions?

>4) Have I gone comletely insane? ;)

>

>-Dave

>

>

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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:09:13 -0500

From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller)

Subject: Re: DML: Disassembled D - An update
Dave Stragand wrote:

  I have recently found a disassembled D for sale right in my

> local area for sale for $5,000.

  Basically, the D that

> got creamed by the train at the end of BTTF 3 was in less pieces than

> this one.
> 

> 1) Does $5k sound like a reasonable price for this D?
It sounds to me that you are buying a $5000 jigsaw puzzle.  I would not

attempt to assemble this car without a complete car sitting next to it. 

The manuals are good, but I don't think that they are that good. I have

no problem putting thing together, if I took them apart.  Unless you are

experienced in car building, I would leave this one alone.  This car

could end up costing you major $$$ before you are done.  How can you be

sure that all components are there?





> 4) Have I gone comletely insane? ;)
The answer to this question can be found out by consulting a shrink;') 

Myself, I would buy one that is together, running or not.  Spend a few

extra bucks, then you may actually get to drive the car someday.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:53:55 -0400

From: Sean Jones <shain(AT)noln.com>

Subject: Re: DML: Disassembled D - An update
Hello,
I'm inb the tannersville pa area.  And in our area there is a club called

DeLorean midatlantic.  Which i never knew of till now.  E-mail me at

shain(AT)noln.com i thikn i know of a few better cars for sale.  For $5k, for a

totaly dissesembled car,  doesn't seem quite right.  Maybe i could also look

at the car with you?  I have a little experiance,  but not much.  But every

little bit helps.
- - Shain
Dave Stragand wrote:
> Thanks to all of you who have responded with help and advice on my

> quest.  I have recently found a disassembled D for sale right in my

> local area for sale for $5,000.  I finally got a chance to go look at

> the car this Saturday, and here is what I found:

>

> First off, I was standing right next to the car, and didn't even see

> it.  It is stripped down to the chassis, which is sitting directly on

> the floor.  Parts are piled around the vehicle, and the majority of a

> Kenworth cab is sitting on the front of the car.  Basically, the D that

> got creamed by the train at the end of BTTF 3 was in less pieces than

> this one.

>

> The owner collects Lotus cars, and bought the D on a whim.  He

> disassembled it 7 years ago to totally clean and rebuild the car as a

> present for his wife.  As fate would have it, they divorced shortly

> after, and the D has sat untouched ever since.  He claims that

> everything is there, except the windshield and rear glass, which he

> broke whilst taking out the torsion bars for the doors.  The chassis is

> completely stripped down -- no interior, no hood/fenders/quarters/trunk

> installed (although the doors are still mounted).  The engine has met

> the same fate, and I recognized a few parts such as the aluminum intake

> sitting in plastic wrap and boxes all around the car.  The interior

> pieces and seats are still in good shape.  There is almost a 1/4" of

> protective dust on the car (it is in a diesel truck garage).

>

> I still have some questions to ask the owner (mileage, which year, is it

> a turbo, and auto or manual trans) but I think I will probably throw all

> reason to the wind and go ahead and purchase the car.

>

> Enough of my rambling: now direct to my questions:

>

> 1) Does $5k sound like a reasonable price for this D?

> 2) Anybody have a spare front/rear glass set they want to get rid of?

> Email with price please at forwardlook(AT)geocities.com

> 3) Are there any local Pittsburgh, PA owners on the list who might be

> able to help me when I have questions?

> 4) Have I gone comletely insane? ;)

>

> -Dave
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:15:06 -0400

From: Frederick Embden <fembden(AT)tco.com>

Subject: DML: Re: Windows off track
> Massimo:
My car came from Texas, window off both tracks.. What happened to my windows

may

have happened to yours.  The Texas heat melted the adhesive that held the

windows in place, and shifted forward approx 1/4", this would force the

glass

against the track which caused them to jump the tracks..  The correct

placement

of the pane in the "channel" is critical.  One of the more knowledgeable

"dealers" will be able to tell you the correct positioning.  Hope this will

help.Frederick Embden <fembden(AT)tco.com>
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:02:09 -0500

From: Gowler Don-CFPO01 <cfpo01(AT)email.mot.com>

Subject: DML: Re: Windows off track
You will find a small dot (carved into the glass) that should line up

with the slot in the bracket.
A question on the adhesive - has anyone seen a heavy black tar-like

adhesive used?  If so how does one loosen it or remove it to re-align

the dot and the slot?
The Silver Fox
> > Massimo:

> 

> My car came from Texas, window off both tracks.. What happened to my

> windows

> may

> have happened to yours.  The Texas heat melted the adhesive that held

> the

> windows in place, and shifted forward approx 1/4", this would force

> the

> glass

> against the track which caused them to jump the tracks..  The correct

> placement

> of the pane in the "channel" is critical.  One of the more

> knowledgeable

> "dealers" will be able to tell you the correct positioning.  Hope this

> will

> help.Frederick Embden <fembden(AT)tco.com>

> 
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:50:56 -0400

From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>

Subject: DML: Re: Parts, BTTF and more
Tom,

We have quite a bit of information regarding your question about parts

suppliers. Contact me directly for more details.

Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:00:53 -0400

From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>

Subject: Re: DML: Parts, BTTF and more
The BTTF mock-ups were created to accommodate special camera angles and

"blue screen" inserts.

Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:38:17 -0700

From: Dave Gravley <DGravley(AT)ipivot.com>

Subject: DML: RE: dmc Hot start relay avail
Does anyone know what Bosch part number the Hot start relay is?  This I

believe was a relay added LATER to aid in the Hot start by supplying

power for a few seconds to the cold start injector???  Any clarification

would be appreciated.
DGravley

San Diego
81 DMC

74 Jenson Healy

80 Triumph TR7/V6
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:25:41 -0400

From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>

Subject: DML: Re: Re: Windows off track
To All,

The DeLorean power window track design is actually well engineered and

designed for adjustment to compensate for varying perimeters. The problem

is that due to all the problems encountered with keeping the company 

alive,

documentation and service procedures were never properly or completely

addressed. As everyone who uses the workshop or technical information

manuals they know that there is a considerable lack of information to

properly assist one in completing repair and replacement procedures. 

Each window track or guide, as it is refereed to in the parts manual 

(3-6-5

items 3 &4), is mounted through elongated holes to allow for adjustment. I

have always been able to correct problems in alignment with these

adjustments. However I suggest that these adjustments not be changed from

there factory set up unless you are certain they are out of tolerance. Be

aware that an out of alignment or damaged regulator cable will cause the

window to jump out of the guides. 

To do any work on your window guides I suggest you get a copy of DeLorean

World Magazine issues # 9 pages 26-30. You will find complete details with

pictures to take you through the entire procedure including removal and

replacement of the door panels.

Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:35:08 -0500

From: scottmueller(AT)zebra.net (Scott Mueller)

Subject: Re: DML: RE: dmc Hot start relay avail
Dave Gravley wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know what Bosch part number the Hot start relay is?  This I

> believe was a relay added LATER to aid in the Hot start by supplying

> power for a few seconds to the cold start injector???  Any clarification

> would be appreciated.
Dave, I had a long discussion with Steve Wynne (AT) DeLorean Motor Company

in Houston about adding the hot start relay to my car.  He told me that

it was not required and to make sure that all other components in the

fuel system (check valves, accumulator, cold start injectors, ect...)

were working properley.  Against Steves advice, I tried it with the

relay, and it did not help at all, it turns out that Steve was correct. 

I guess that working on these cars for 17 years has not hurt Steve's

ability to give good advice.  Give him a call to discuss the problem.
Scott Mueller
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:47:41 -0800

From: "Ken Montgomery" <kenm(AT)compctr.ccs.csus.edu>

Subject: DML: Re: Engine starting trouble
> Ken,

> Your problem is probably due to a defective RPM relay. This relay has two

> internal relays, one sends 12v to the fuel pump, the other sends 12v to 

> the

> frequency valve. Replacing this relay should correct the problem.

> Joe/DeLorean Services
Thanks Joe, you were right on the mark. It was the RPM relay. I

opened it up and found the contacts to be bent and burned. I burnished

the relay contacts and re-formed the relay to make the contacts even

and that fixed it. With that relay being bad, there was no power

getting to the lambda unit at all. Again, this shows just how under

done all the electrical systems are in the car. There's just far to 

much current going through too small of contacts.
Now if you could only come up with an easy way for me to fix my 

leaking water pump!
- --------------------------------------------------

Ken Montgomery    My DeLorean VIN #10911 'OUTTIME'

Sacramento, CA

kenm(AT)csus.edu     Operating Systems Analyst

W(916) 278-7646 H(916) 944-3252

Please visit my website at:

http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm

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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:49:32 EDT

From: ABatt10347(AT)aol.com

Subject: DML: Dash lights problems
Sandy,

I too had the same problem, (no dash lights, however I did have ac panel

lights.) My problem was that the windshield washer fluid bottle cover, had

filled with water. Therefore the windshield washer motor had shorted out. 

This

caused the fuse to continue to blow and the right side running lights and 

dash

lights to not light. After checking all bulbs and connections I found the

problem. Solution was to drill 4 more holes in the cover (part # 106087) 

to

allow the water (from outside) to escape. Hope this helps.

Bruce Battles

Vin# 6569
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:11:04 -0400

From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>

Subject: DML: Re: Power windows - final episode
Massimo,

Please except my apology for getting this information to you late. I have

noticed several posts back to you from other list members about your power

windows. When I spoke to you last time I neglected to give you additional

information that would help you in installing your window regulator. There

is a new post from me today to all members on the list adding more

information about "windows off the track". I should have given you this

information the last time we spoke, I guess I was in "The Twilight Zone".

Get yourself a copy of DeLorean World # 9 for a detailed explanation with

pictures of window alignment procedures. Once again if you have questions

contact me directly.

Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:22:11 -0400

From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>

Subject: DML: Re: RE: dmc Hot start relay avail
If you look at the wiring diagram you'll notice that there is no wiring

going to the trigger side of this relay, therefore plugging a relay into

this socket will do nothing. One of the mysteries I have contended with

since 1983 is; "I don't know what the designers had in mind when they

created this circuit." The fuel injection system is basically an "off the

shelf" Bosh K-Jetronic C.I.S. fuel system similar to the one used in the

79-83 Volvo and other vehicles. To the best of my knowledge the "hot 

start"

circuit does not exist in non DeLorean versions of the system. The fact

that this circuit was never completed will just be one of those mysteries

that follows this exciting vehicle.

BTW, I personally have my own opinion as to why this circuit was included

and than abandon; you will see my answer on my web page which is currently

under construction.

Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:19:36 -0400

From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe(AT)att.net>

Subject: DML: Re: Re: Engine starting trouble
Ken,

I assume your water pump is leaking at the weep hole under the pulley. If

this is the case you have a bad seal which will eventually fail 

completely.

A temporary fix would be a shot of Bars Leak coolant stop leak. One

application should stop the leak, additional applications should keep the

leak in check until you can replace the entire pump which is the only 

final

solution. 

Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:37:07 -0600

From: Greg Guillot <gguillot(AT)mccno.com>

Subject: DML: Clogged brake lines
Hi Everyone,
Has anyone ever experienced problems with the brake lines being 

clogged due to dried up brake fluid? I am restoring my D after buying 

it from someone who let it sit outside for ten years. I just finished 

overhauling the braking system (rebuilt calipers, including new SS 

pistons) and upon re-assembling everything, I cannot seem to get 

brake fluid to the calipers from the master cylinder. The system 

has had air in it for several years (the last time the previous owner

drove it, she said the brakes did not work) and the master cylinder 

had crud in the brake fluid (it looks like crystallized brake fluid). I 

primed the 

master cylinder and followed normal brake bleeding procedures, but 

no fluid is present at any of the lines where they meet the calipers.

Any ideas would be appreciated.
Greg Guillot

#2926
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:09:04 EDT

From: Batman9593(AT)aol.com

Subject: Re: DML: delorean for sale
Is there anyone with a project D (dissassembled or any D that needs work, 

for

cheap) or knows of one with in the Northern Michigan are

thanks for your help...
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:57:15 -0700

From: "Sandy Bigman" <bigmanortho(AT)email.msn.com>

Subject: DML: Re: Dash lights
I have found out that the AC lights go on when I remove the wire bypass at

the relay and replace it with the relay that was originally in that spot.

The problem is the AC lights always stay on.  How come the AC lights don't

go on with the rest of the lights at night.  I thought the bypass would

allow the AC lights to go on with the headlights?
Sandy
ps Hi Scott Mueller!
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:48:54 +0000

From: Bob Brandys <oehcs(AT)flash.net>

Subject: DML: Re: FW: Re: Parts, BTTF and more
Article #1 on the 97=99 DeLorean has been published in DeLorean World

Magazine. However, they only published about 10% of the picture.
Full copies of the articles are available for $25.  Sorry color copies

in Chicago cost $1.25 per page.
Article #2 will be published in the next issue, but again it will not

include all the pictures.  Again, a copy of the full article is

available for $25.
Articles #3 on the time machine option package, is in final editing.

Because of its length and pictures it will cost $30. for copies.=20
Dimensions, specifications, parts sources, prices, etc. are available

for the cost of engineering services to draw these up. All parts were

selected from readily available sources.  Only the time and money needs

to be appropriated to develop lists or part kits.
The project of building a DeLorean Time Machine is not for the weak of

spirit or pocket book. It took me 6 years and lots of money to build

this car.  Serious builders can e-mail me.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:50:24 -0000

From: James Espey <espey(AT)dmcnews.com>

Subject: DML: Delorean seat covers
I picked up a set of seat covers for a list member today and my 

upholstery guy said that starting October 1st, prices will go up to $725 

(from $650) for the four piece set and $775 (from $700) for the six piece 

set in either black or grey.
These are the same style/manufacture seat covers that were in my car for 

the concours at Nashville in 1996 - I didn't win, but I didn't lose any 

points for them, either. Email me if you are interested.
James Espey
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:45:04 -0700

From: "David Jacobs (NEC)" <v-davidj(AT)microsoft.com>

Subject: RE: DML: Never believe a photo!
Here is the website for Top Gear.
http://www.topgear.beeb.com/

There are plenty of e-mail addresses and chat forums.

Go nuts!
Dave Jacobs
- -----Original Message-----

From:	ROBLAMROCK(AT)aol.com [SMTP:ROBLAMROCK(AT)aol.com]

Sent:	Wednesday, August 26, 1998 1:27 PM

To:	dmcnews(AT)world.std.com

Subject:	Re: DML: Re: DML Never believe a photo!
In a message dated 8/26/98 12:08:03 PM GMT, you write:
<< After reading the article thread it is quite clear that the author 

Quentin

 Wilson Knows little or nothing about the DeLorean, My suggestion would be

 to contact the publisher, (as many DML members as might wish this) and 

 send letters pointing out both the errors in the article and suggesting a

 publishers correction. A positive approach is much more likely to get

 printed than a negative one.  How about the publishers address as well? 

>>
"The Ultimate Classic Car Book" by Quentin Willson with David Selby is

published by Dorling Kindersley, 9 Henrietta Street, Covent Garden, London

WC2E 8PS.

Tel. 0171 836 5411  Fax. 0171 836 7570

Dave Howarth did indeed lend the publishers his car for the photographs 

and

got a free copy of the book for his trouble.  I can tell you he was pretty

angry when he read the text!  He had supplied two pages of correct 

information

which they didn't use.

My guess is that Willson was paid to put his name to the book, he didn't 

write

it, some other idiot did!

Robert Lamrock

Belfast
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:58:03 EDT

From: JCox4001(AT)aol.com

Subject: DML: Oil Pan
It looks as though I am going to have to change out the oil pan gasket.  

I was

hoping that I was looking at the "Traditional" oil leak on the driver 

side,

however, I cleaned up the underside of the pan and motor, went for a 

drive,

and immediately inspected to see where the oil leak was coming from.  Oil 

was

dripping off several of the lugs that hold the pan in place, especially 

on the

driver side.
My question is this.  Most of the lugs look like they are reachable on 

the oil

pan, but the back row look like they are impossible to reach.  Are there 

any

secrets that I need to know?  I'm not a big guy by any means, but too 

large to

get too far up under the car.  Any suggestions?	

Jeff
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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:54:01 EDT

From: CBL302(AT)aol.com

Subject: Re: DML: Clogged brake lines
Greg,  Your best bet is to either blow out the brake lines with compressed

air,(disconnected from calipers)and if you feel air coming out of the 

lines

you

are all set,or just disconnect the old brake lines and leave them there 

and

install

new brake lines.  
Claude

vin#570
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:24:29 -0700

From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com>

Subject: Re: DML: Re: Dash lights
At 12:57 AM 9/21/98 -0700, you wrote:

>I have found out that the AC lights go on when I remove the wire bypass at

>the relay and replace it with the relay that was originally in that spot.

>The problem is the AC lights always stay on.  How come the AC lights don't

>go on with the rest of the lights at night.  I thought the bypass would

>allow the AC lights to go on with the headlights?

>

>Sandy

>

>ps Hi Scott Mueller!

>

reply:
Hi Sandy,
I don't know how your AC relay was jumped, but I made a jumper and removed

my relay (now in lock box behind driver as spare) and installed just as 

Joe

described yesterday, and my AC lights are off except when the Head lights

are turned on, so they are off when the head lights are off and on when 

the

heard lights are off. The jumpers do work from what every one I know 

tells me.
Hope this helped you some.
Lee
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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:56:20 -0700

From: "lseiler(AT)radiance.com" <lseiler(AT)radiance.com>

Subject: Re: DML: Clogged brake lines
At 12:54 AM 9/22/98 EDT, you wrote:

>Greg,  Your best bet is to either blow out the brake lines with compressed

>air,(disconnected from calipers)and if you feel air coming out of the 

>lines

>you

>are all set,or just disconnect the old brake lines and leave them there 

>and

>install

>new brake lines.  

>

>Claude

>vin#570

>

Reply:
Comment,
	Greg, are you using Dot-4 break fluid? If you mix Dot-3 and Dot-4 Break

Fluid, you will get a gummy, gluppy material that will clog up the whole

system and eventually harden.

	Be sure that you use the Dot4 grade and never reuse break fluid no matter

how clean it appears. I replaced the Clutch line rather than use the old

line and shortly replace all new break lines when I get my stainless

braided lines.
Good luck
Lee
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:45:42 +0200

From: Mats Karlsson <ford.prefect(AT)hehe.com>

Subject: DML: volvo/dmc
I was browsing the net, and look what I found...

http://www.fabas.se/bilder/valtol.jpg
It looks like someone tried to rebuild their Volvo 142 into a D.  ;)
Apparently it was done in 1986 by a Mats Thollander...
/Matt
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:39:51 -0400

From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org>

Subject: Re: DML: Disassembled D - An update
Dave Stragand is looking at a totally disassembled DeLorean. De Miller

told him:
> Check out the classified on DMCnews.com. There are at least

> two listings for cars (all in one piece) for $6,000. I would venture

> to guess that buying a D like the one you're looking at, you will end

> up spending thousands of hours and many more thousands of

> dollars putting it back together. Spend $10 to 12,000 right off the

> bat and you'll be better.
I do not agree with De Miller.  There are advantages to buying a

disassembled car, especially if you plan on doing a frame-off restoration.

If Dave wanted to turn a $6,000 DeLorean into a prime specemin he

would end up disassembling it anyway.
Assuming there are no other missing parts and everything is in good

shape (those are big assumptions!) $5,000 might be a good price for this

car.  The main factors that Dave needs to consider are how much time

and skill he can devote to the project and what he wants to end up with. 

If he wants to know his DeLorean is cherry right down to the epoxy on

the frame, then he probably wants a project car like this.  But if he just

wants a DeLorean as a daily driver then he should probably look for one

of those $10,000 - $12,000 cars.
- - Mike Substelny
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:34:49 +0200

From: Mats Karlsson <ford.prefect(AT)hehe.com>

Subject: DML: turbo....    again..
Ok,
So does anyone know where a person without any major competence when it

comes to engines, can learn the plumbing needed to install a turbo? 

Does anyone know of a book which deals with engine mechanics, and turbo

configuration, that is understandable to a non mechanic...  I want to

learn MORE ;)
Btw,  Does 21 000 SEk ($2600) seem like a good price for a set of twin

turbos?   This is without extra fuel injecters etc which might be

needed..
/Matt
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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 11:42:54 -0400 (EDT)

From: Bill Wilson <fluffy(AT)snurgle.org>

Subject: Re: DML: Clogged brake lines
On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, lseiler(AT)radiance.com wrote:
> 	Greg, are you using Dot-4 break fluid? If you mix Dot-3 and

> Dot-4 Break Fluid, you will get a gummy, gluppy material that will clog

> up the whole system and eventually harden. 
Aren't you supposed to use only DOT-5 brake fluid in the D?  I've heard

that lower grade fluid will dissolve the funny rubber they used in the

brake system.
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