Wednesday, September 30 1998 Volume 03 : Number 421
In this issue:
DML: Lost List members
DML: Replacement battery?
DML: Re: LOUVRE WANTED
DML: Five Point Harness
DML: re: Gas Smell
Re: DML: NCDMC Gatherings
DML: Turbo's YET AGAIN! - Who is Pat Parr?
Re: DML: air bags?
Re: DML: air bags?
Re: DML: Replacement battery?
Re: DML: Re: LOUVRE WANTED
DML: Remaining BTTF cars
DML: A/c drain
DML: Angle Drive
DML: Interstate '82
DML: New guy and his D
DML: 5-speed Trans Expert Online?
DML: Re: radio installation
DML: Re: Replacement battery?
Re: DML: Replacement battery?
DML: Buyer's Point of View
Re: DML: Turbo's YET AGAIN! - Who is Pat Parr?
Re: DML: A/c drain
DML: Re: A/c drain
DML: Re: Turbo's YET AGAIN! - Who is Pat Parr?
Re: DML: New guy and his D
Re: DML: Remaining BTTF cars
Re: DML: radio installation
DML: Replacement for A/C mode control switch
Re: DML: Angle Drive
Re: DML: New guy and his D
Re: DML: Re: A/c drain
DML: Re: Cincinnati Show
DML: "Leather Interior" and Tips for DeLorean Buyers
DML: Re: Buyer's Point of View
Re: DML: Re: Cincinnati Show
Re: DML: New Owner
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 02:10:23 -0700 From: "lseiler@radiance.com" <lseiler@radiance.com> Subject: DML: Lost List members
I need a bit of help!
This September's Limited edition up-date generated a few undeliverable e-mails. Please check to see if you are one of them, or if you know any of the people on the list below.
If you see your e-mail address listed please contact me at either of the following e-mail address:
lseiler@radiance.com or lee@totalimmersion.com
or if you know some one on the list below please contact them and ask that they contact me ASAP.
- ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
1. <<LukeJedi2@aol.com>550 <<LukeJedi2@aol.com>... User unknown
2. <<EdwSinger@aol.com>554 <<EdwSinger@aol.com>... Service unavailable
3. <<martin.gutkowski@connect-2.co.uk.REDIRECT... User has moved; please try <<martin.gutkowski@connect-2.co.uk Action: failed >
4. <<bkidd@interaxs.net> User not known
5. <<jjkyler@worldnet.att.net> User unknown
6. <<zaphod@ponyexpress.net>... Host unknown (Name server:
ponyexpress.net: host not found)
7. <<jritz@plexus.com>... User unknown
Thanks for the Help
Lee
81DMC-12
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:41:10 -0400 From: medic-1@juno.com (A Johnson) Subject: DML: Replacement battery?
I had an INTERSTATE battery in my DMC until the other day, I left my parking lights on the other night for over 18HRS by mistake while, on a trip (at night, I went to the motel & forgot). I contacted INTERSTATE because the battery came with a roadside plan, I got the run-around for 2HRS before I called them back for a 4th time & was told "your out of luck, we don't have anyone in that area". Well I'm not happy with INTERSTATE and have 2 batteries linked together that have no labels (local gas station in BFE Utah), only $20.xx installed & a jump!. What batteries are other people using? I can't find anyone that can cross a INTERSTATE battery.
Let me know what you use, & if you are happy.
Thanks AJ
VIN: RECOVERED (still unknown; but did find a yellow sticker in the R tail light that has 234 on it)
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:50:59 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: Re: LOUVRE WANTED
John Pietrowski > I am looking for a used/new louvre for the rear hatchback. Mine > has a few cracks that are too expensive to repair.
You did not describe the type of damage your louvre has sustained, but I know Dave Bauerle has a method of repairing them that makes them stronger than they originally were. You might want to give him a call to see if his process could help you, otherwise you will just end up with a replacement louvre that is as failure prone as the original. Bauerle Automotive Inc. Radnor, Ohio 43066 Phone: (740) 595-3348
BTW I think these are usually called "sunshade louvres."
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:04:59 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: Five Point Harness
Lee Seiler said: > I decided I was not happy with the seat belt arrangement and > removed the originals in favor of a "5 point padded harness system" > just like the sort you see in race cars and aerobatic aircraft.
The first week I owned my car one of my friends who races SCCA took it for a spin. The moment he looked through that open gullwing door he said: "Wow, Mike! This car would look *great* with a 5 point harness!"
I have kept that in the back of my mind for a long time. How does a DeLorean look with a 5 point?
Lee, I would love to see some pictures and maybe a short writeup of your experience with a five point harness. Any chance you might write something up for the DMC News 'zine or maybe DeLorean World?
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:19:46 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: re: Gas Smell
JimmyC smells gas when he fills his tank: > When I fill up the tank, and drive home, I smell gas all around. It > seems like a little bit of gas is leaking from the tank, but when I > check under car, I don't see anything. After a little while of driving > around, the smell goes away.
Steve Brodsky pointed out that it is probably leaking from either the seal around the fuel pump or the filler tube. Marv Sterling pointed out that the owners manual says to NEVER to off the tank.
My two cents: the pumps at today's gas stations are different from the ones when DeLorean were made. They can top off your car whether you want it or not, so it is best to be prepared by sealing your tank as well as you can.
Also, the original fuel guage sensing unit is poorly designed and constructed, creating a third place where fuel could leak when the tank is full.
My advice: remove the carpet at the bottom of your luggage compartment, your spare tire, and the panel between the spare tire and the fuel tank (very easy to do). Grab a flashlight & screwdriver and drive to your neighborhood filling station. Fill up, allowing the pump nozzle to fill your tank to the level it decides is adequate. Then inspect the top of the fuel pump seal, fuel guage sensor, and filler tube very carefully.
You should be able to see the place where the fuel is leaking. My hunch is that it is the fuel pump seal, which needs to be tightened periodically. A half turn with the screwdriver might cure this problem for you.
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:55:07 -0800 From: "Ken Montgomery" <kenm@compctr.ccs.csus.edu> Subject: Re: DML: NCDMC Gatherings
Hi Ian
> Where are you fellas meeting exactly on 18Oct98?
It's kinda hard to explain if you don't know the area. The Danville area is on Hwy. 680 south of Walnut Creek and east Of San Francisco. I'll post more detailed instructions to the DML closer to the time of the event. If we keep getting replies at this rate, we're going to have a pretty good sized group! The Blackhawk museum will be a great setting for our cars and they may still have the DMC prototype #2 car there (still checking on that). So I hope you can make it.
> I bought a DMC in LA at Easter and am coming back in October to drive > her over to Baltimore to ship home to N.Ireland. I will probably drive > up to SanFransisco that weekend (a tester for the DMC before 3500miles > W to E!) to get some photos I need for a Government Study I'm doing here > in Hong Kong. It would be good to meet up with some like minded people!
I've been following your thread on the DML. What a way to get a car and get it home! Good Luck!
Ken - -------------------------------------------------- Ken Montgomery My DeLorean VIN #10911 'OUTTIME' Sacramento, CA kenm@csus.edu Operating Systems Analyst W(916) 278-7646 H(916) 944-3252 Please visit my website at: http://www.jps.net/arkham/delorean01.htm - --------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:41:12 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: DML: Turbo's YET AGAIN! - Who is Pat Parr?
I am still looking for a way to improve the current turbo setup that is on my car, and many of our cars.
I was looking through a old issue of Delorean World (Vol #2, Summer 84) and there is a short article titled "Parr Car Stars".
The picture of the engine bay in the car has a twin turbo set up that is more like the Legend setup, where the boost from the turbo is forced in to the intake where the stock air cleaner box goes.
My main interest in this setup is the small part that goes on the intake. It looks like a black (metal? Plastic?) round insert that you can attach 2 round (2.5 or 3 inch??) hoses too. I would like to use a part like this to pipe cold air directly in to the intake. Does anyone know if this is a custom part? or is it borrowed? Anyone know how to contact Mr. Parr?
Also in the same magazine, there is a add for "DMC Only, Ward machine Products". The company is still in business, but they no longer deal with DMC items (Harry said he had a few headlight covers, spoilers, and wheel spacers left). He also used to sell a turbo kit, it was a single turbo kit but it worked the same way. Looking at the picture, there is a black plastic cap over the intake, with a single hose connection. According to Harry, this part was borrowed from "Some Volkswagen", he does not remember anything else about the source.. Any Volkswagen experts out there?! Id like to find this part as a alternate if I cannot locate the one used by Mr. Parr.
Thanks, Marc
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:25:00 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: air bags?
A better question is WHY?!
Tell the girls parents to do some research, and see how little airbags do! It was a great idea, but even some insurance companies are now rethinking if they are worth the cost or not.
What I have read indicates that injuries in low speed accidents increases with the air bag because its deployment to so powerful and fast. Not to mention the expense of replacing it because of a 10 MPH "Fender bender" (Not that there is such a thing in a Delorean!)
I would not trust a after market airbag to work, and would be more afraid that it would deploy under non accident conditions.
I have a article (July 1981, Popular Science) that talks about the safety features of the car. I am sure you can find other similar articles.
Strange things have happened in the past 10-15 years with cars, and the statistics can be used to prove anything you want them to. Seat belt laws, drunk driver laws, and better driver education have resulted in less accidents and fatal accidents (in general, based on percentages of cars on the road). Advocates of air bags will use the statistics to prove than airbags save lives, well I am sure they do in a very limited number of cases.
IMHO, if you wear your seat belt, you are better of WITHOUT the air bag. I was in a accident a few years ago in my 1989 Beretta (no air bag). I was moving about 45 MPH, and slammed in to a truck that ran a red light (he was going about 70). The car was trashed, but I walked away with a small bruise on my arm (where it hit the steering wheel), and a cut on my finger from flying glass. I also injured my knee because the dashboard fell on it. If this exact same accident happened WITH a airbag, I would have ALSO suffered a broken nose at best, the violent way the airbags deploy would have most likely caused me neck and back problems.
My suggestion: Have her parents buy the car, find out that it CANT be done, and then give the car to me! I'd like another car to tinker with :)
illyana delorean wrote: > > hi all. i am being forced by a friend of my brothers to ask this > question to the list: > > is there any way that airbags can be installed in a delorean? > > yah, i didnt think so. anyway, this girl's parents wont buy her a D > because they dont have airbags, but if they can get them installed, > then she can get one for her frickin 16th birthday! i wish i was so > lucky! > > please tell me it cant be done so i dont have some stupid high > schooler to be jealous of! thanks!
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:19:37 EDT From: ROBLAMROCK@aol.com Subject: Re: DML: air bags?
In a message dated 9/27/98 7:42:22 PM GMT, Illyana wrote:
<< is there any way that airbags can be installed in a delorean? >>
In March of 1981, Fitzpatrick Engineering was awarded a contract by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in Washington to use a "system analysis approach" to integrate air bag restraint systems into a "production ready, small car". The vehicle chosen by NHTSA for this program was the DeLorean sports car! Part of the main task in the contract was to direct the test contractor, Dynamic Science, on the integration and installation of the air bag into the DeLorean. The final report (Contract No. DTNH22-81-C-07330) was published in November 1981 prepared by Fitzpatrick Engineering, Route 5, Box 495A, Warsaw, IN 46580. Or you could try the US Department of Transportation NHTSA, Washington D.C. 20590. Best wishes, Robert Lamrock Belfast
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:35:38 -0700 From: raddad@cmn.net Subject: Re: DML: Replacement battery?
I have an Optima battery in my D. When it comes to batteries I believe that it pays to get the very best possible.
Incidentally, Rob Grady also recommends the Optima.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:40:26 -0700 From: raddad@cmn.net Subject: Re: DML: Re: LOUVRE WANTED
Almost all louver cracks are in the center struts and come from the flexing action when opening and closing. Teri Jennings sold (perhaps still does) a metal brace that fits on the underside of the louver. After having two louvers break on me early on, I got the brace and have never have another problem.
The brace may cost you a point if you are concours oriented, but otherwise it is undetectable.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:12:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Duncan Ermini-Leaf <spacerobot@yahoo.com> Subject: DML: Remaining BTTF cars
What's happened to the BTTF cars. Are they still owned by the studio or are they owned privately now?
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:50:13 -0400 From: Michael Pack <mpack1@tiger.towson.edu> Subject: DML: A/c drain
How do you know when it is supposed to drain? I've left it running with the A/C on MAX setting and I see No water draining. Does it build up in a tank then drain?
Worried Michael Pack
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:06:32 -0500 From: "Jeff Wiltzius" <wiltzius@doit.wisc.edu> Subject: DML: Angle Drive
Hello all,
I've not posted a question here before but have been listening attentively for about the last 2 months. I recently bought my DeLorean August 1st- so I'm pretty new to all of this. I've been researching and reading DeLorean material for the last 4 months so I'm familiar with the car and the man- but I'm far from a mechanical wizard. Keeping that in mind- please bear with me!
One of the problems with my D going in is that the previous owner had been fighting with the speedometer/odometer for the last few years. He had given up and resigned himself to simply driving by watching the tach. I told him if I was going to buy it, I wanted the speedo working for my drive home (from the Washington D.C. area to Wisconsin). Well- true to his word he bought a new dust cover and it worked....sort of. I got through half of Ohio when it started raining. The speedo took a couple jumps and died. (Not sure it really had anything to do with the rain though). Anyway, I brought it to my mechanic in Wisconsin. He's worked on DeLorean's before and actually has about 8 others in his customer base so I was confident he could help me take care of my new prize (and hopefully get to the bottom of the speedometer problems). After looking the car over he found many problems (most electrical which I was not suprised about) and thought he had found the answer to my speedo problem - my lambda box was ground out and supposedly not spinning the cable connected to the needle. He ordered a new one to the tune of about $125 and of course- the speedo worked for a few miles and then stopped again. He then took the angle drive out and examined it and found that the gears were extremely worn- no problem, said he knew a place that remanufactures them and should only cost another $100 or so. Well now (after about 6 weeks) he said they are no longer remanufacturing them and I'd probably have to order a new one (about $200 for the parts not including labor to install).
After that long story- here's my question. How have people handled replacing angle drives? I know it's a really bad design and I want to know what my options are as far as getting a speedometer that is going to work. Help me out- I beg you. I'm open to suggestions but keep in mind that I know little about automobiles. Also- is $200 for an angle drive (new) sound about right?
I appreciate ideas/suggestions and thank you in advance for replys,
Sincerely,
Jeff Wiltzius VIN=6145 (I think but I'll check to make sure when I get home)
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:56:36 -0700 From: Todd Saylor <Todd.Saylor@Bi-Tech.com> Subject: DML: Interstate '82
No doubt many of you have heard that the forthcoming "Interstate 82" game from Activision will feature a DeLorean as one of the cars in the game (which is set in some post-apocalyptic, vigilante 1980's environment). Well, Activision has released a trailer for this game, and it features our favorite car. The 13.7 meg file runs about a minute, and is currently available as:
ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/3dfiles/movies/i82intro.avi
Warning - the clip doesn't end so well for the 'D'.
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:40:03 PDT From: "Adam Michael" <amichael10@hotmail.com> Subject: DML: New guy and his D
Hey, I'm new to the mailing list and it's my first one so if I do anything wrong someone please give me a yell! We own an early model '81 DeLorean (VIN#1428 May, 81), the original owner added twin turbos and lowered it 21/2". Can someone help me out with the story of the turbos? The original owner says there are believed to be less than 100 Ds with the turbos and he claims they were the turbos drawn up for the '84 model that never was. We never actually met the original owner, but he did write us a detailed description of the car's history. He claims our car had the turbos installed and was lowered in '83. He said something about 53 cars were used for the original tooling and our car was #12. Does anyone know anything about this? Also, don't forget to check out my DeLorean website! I have some really great recent pictures of our DMC-12 as well as some pretty reliable specs. Here's the address: http://members.tripod.com/~DeLoreanDMC/index.html The address is case sensitive, meaning all capital letters count, which, in an even simpler form means that if you don't type it EXACTLY as shown, you'll just get an error message. Thanks!
Adam Michael, VIN#1428
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 98 21:03:03 -0000 From: David Swingle <dswingle@enteract.com> Subject: DML: 5-speed Trans Expert Online?
This winter's project seems to be shaping up as a clutch and transmission job, in addition to installing Marty's stainless brake lines and cleaning up the rear of the frame. My 5-speed trans has a couple of quirks, i.e. shifing into 3rd is kind of crunchy when warm (IT'S NOT THE CLUTCH LINE), and in 3rd and 4th the shifter rocks noticeably as I get on and off the gas. First, Second, and Fifth are just fine. I've opened up the back end to be sure that the shaft retaining nuts are where they belong, everything looks OK so far.
Since I want to replace the clutch and rear main seal anyway (clutch still works, but very stiff and starting to get grabby), I plan to open up the trans and see if I can find anything wrong. I suspect the 3rd gear synchro, and something to do with the 3/4 shift rod mechanism, perhaps the roll pin or detent ball.
Anyone out there with some experince disassembling, or more important, reassembling, one of these? I have a reasonable level of mechanical ability (engine rebuilds, clutch changes, Delorean window motors.....). Is there a chance of doing this without leaving small parts all over my garage? I figure I don't have much to lose, if I screw it up it does not seem hard (only expensive) to find a used one. Is Jim Landry (of reversed-ring-gear fame, ref DML 10/20/95) still on the list? Maybe the guy who rebuilds transmissions with his teeth?
Dave Swingle 81 VIN 5429 DOA, DMC, DMC(Midwest)
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:59:58 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe@att.net> Subject: DML: Re: radio installation
De, Sorry to say I have been unable to locate my radio wiring diagram. There was never a factory drawing for the radio connector, several years ago I created my own but have misplaced it. As a suggestion, the use of a 12 volt tester should help you to determine which wires are power and which are for speakers. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:39:31 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe@att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Replacement battery?
NO SUBSTUITE NECESSARY, Your DeLorean will accept any 12 volt auto battery that will fit in it's compartment. As with all batteries price will dictate quality plus the more cranking amps the better. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:18:45 EDT From: KayoOng@aol.com Subject: Re: DML: Replacement battery?
AJ,
Get rid of the Interstate Battery, I had several of them in another cars that I owned. They are mediocre. Nothing spectacular as far as performance. Forget the "plans" that are offered, it is just as a sales pitch to get you to buy. As they said: "buy now, when it dies later, you will know the polices of the plan". What a time to find out. You found out.
If you want a good battery on today's technology and is one of the best ANY money can buy, get yourself an OPTIMA BATTERY (RED LABEL--standard application or YELLOW LABEL--deep cycle, BLUE LABEL is for marine use).
Check their site: www.optimabatteries.com
They are the best I have seen and used! They are not cheap, but they are not expensive for what they are and what they can do in their performance as promise. It delivers!
I used to be in the automotive retail and wholesale business and have sold and not marketed many different brands of batteries. Optima Batteries beats them all, and I have used the best in the past.
I have one of them in my DeLorean for the last six months. It is a great battery! Power, power, power...................Can't beat it!
I am planning to change all my other vehicles to Optima Batteries.
If you find another better brand let me know.
Kayo Ong #05508 Lic. 9D NY
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:20:37 EDT From: eurojet@juno.com Subject: DML: Buyer's Point of View
I have been seriously looking for a DeLorean to buy and have had some bad luck with answering ads. A dealer here in town advertised one with "leather interior". Upon closer inspection I discovered that it was vinyl! His reply was "Yeah, but it's a good match". He also refused to give me the sellers number (the car was on consigment) so there was no history on the car. Needless to say, I ran, not walked to the door and never looked back. Other sellers have had their cars advertised for weeks on the net but refuse to return phone calls or E-mail. They could at least have the courtesy to reply and let me know if the car has been sold. Maybe it's a hobby to see how many bites they get and they have no intention of selling their cars. On the other hand I had one guy mail me 10 photos of his car and I will be flying up in a few days to see it and with any luck drive it home. I was beginning to think that D owners were a special breed that I didn't want to be associated with, but since I discovered the DML I realize that there are only a few bad apples out there. Now my questions: When I check out this car for sale how do I go about inspecting the angle drive and what should I look for? Do lots of DeLoreans have altered mileage? How about a list of questions to ask the current owner? Thanks for your advice and encouragement! Phil.
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:33:03 -0600 (MDT) From: raddad@cmn.net Subject: Re: DML: Turbo's YET AGAIN! - Who is Pat Parr?
Pat Parr was/is an engineer type who was very active in the early DMC years. I believe he still does some work in conjunction with Don Steger at DeLorean Motor Center.
Keep me/us posted on what you discover because, as you know, all of us twin users would like to modify the air intake situation.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:34:52 EDT From: KayoOng@aol.com Subject: Re: DML: A/c drain
Micheal,
Let the A/C runs for just 10 to 15 min at MAX and you then set it at VENT or HEAT and wait about one to two minutes, you will see water dripping underneath your car at the passenger side front wheel area. The water dripping is from the A/C evaporator being defrosted. If there is no water dripping you may have a clogged drain and all the water is in the evaporator's chamber. Check it out, otherwise your paasenger's side will be wet.
Kayo Ong #05508 Lic 9D NY
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:41:49 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe@att.net> Subject: DML: Re: A/c drain
Michael, The location of the A/C water drain causes water to drip around the fuel tank than onto the fuel tank protection plate, water that does not evaporate up to that point will eventually make it to the ground. Only high heat and humidity will cause water to make it to the ground. If the hose is clogged water will drain back into the passenger foot well. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:13:27 -0500 From: "BRUCE BENSON" <delornut@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Turbo's YET AGAIN! - Who is Pat Parr?
Marc,
Don Steger at the DeLorean Motor Center in Garden Grove, Calif. has worked with Pat Parr on many DeLorean projects. Pat was the first technical advisor for the DOA and like many after him, left the organization. I think he still has his car and perhaps Don can put you in touch with him.
Bruce Benson
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:09:03 -0700 From: Paul Gress <pgress@pb.net> Subject: Re: DML: New guy and his D
The Turbo's used are IHI RHB52's. This was the original turbo's to be used in the 84 model year. The company doing the turbo reasearch and installation was Legend Industries located in L.I. New York. The company went out of buisness around 1983. The twin turbo kits, had only in common the turbos itself (manufactured by L.I. Manifold Co., in NY also). The twin turbo kit that was manufactured by Delorean One was a copy of the Legend turbo kit. The IHI RHB52 turbo's by the way were used in a Maserati Bi-Turbo car produced around the same time. The black part above the mass air sensor is a cast aluminum housing. PJ Grady has some Legend parts and probably can offer more info as to the details of the twin turbo kit and original Lengend turbos.
BTW- The single turbo kit put out is a copy of another legend kit to retro-fit for the 1983 model year to boost the cars performance a year sooner.
Paul Gress
Adam Michael wrote:
> Hey, I'm new to the mailing list and it's my first one so if I do > anything wrong someone please give me a yell! We own an early model '81 > DeLorean (VIN#1428 May, 81), the original owner added twin turbos and > lowered it 21/2". Can someone help me out with the story of the turbos? > The original owner says there are believed to be less than 100 Ds with > the turbos and he claims they were the turbos drawn up for the '84 model > that never was. We never actually met the original owner, but he did > write us a detailed description of the car's history. He claims our car > had the turbos installed and was lowered in '83. He said something about > 53 cars were used for the original tooling and our car was #12. Does > anyone know anything about this? Also, don't forget to check out my > DeLorean website! I have some really great recent pictures of our DMC-12 > as well as some pretty reliable specs. Here's the address: > http://members.tripod.com/~DeLoreanDMC/index.html The address is case > sensitive, meaning all capital letters count, which, in an even simpler > form means that if you don't type it EXACTLY as shown, you'll just get > an error message. Thanks! > > Adam Michael, VIN#1428
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:26:05 -0500 From: bttfdmc@connect.ab.ca Subject: Re: DML: Remaining BTTF cars
Universal Studios still own the DeLoreans. There are couple on the Florida lot and a some still over at the Hollywood backlot.
Spielberg has got one parked in the back of his office at Amblin Entertainment, as so does director Robert Zemeckis.
At one point in time a few years ago, Universal Studios Hollywood had a contest. You either won a BTTF DeLorean or $10,000 in cash. This girl won, and she took the money instead.
If you're looking for a BTTF DeLorean, there's a company north of Los Angeles that does up movie cars. Can't remember the name at the moment, but he will take a stock DMC and mock it up to look like a BTTF DMC. He has got Kevin Pike's original plans I believe, plus parts. Look in DuPont registry, he sometimes advertises in there.
At 01:12 PM 9/28/98 -0700, you wrote: >What's happened to the BTTF cars. Are they still owned by the studio >or are they owned privately now? > >
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:27:18 EDT From: WtrResQ@aol.com Subject: Re: DML: radio installation
de miller,
when i replaced the radio in my car the colors were noted on the top of my stock unit. email me direct if you want me to pull it from the attic.
james
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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:36:52 -0700 From: SweatyEddy <swetyedy@cwnet.com> Subject: DML: Replacement for A/C mode control switch
I have seen a few postings here and there regarding the A/C mode control switch. When my first one wore out I contacted one of the Delorean service places (whom I have a very high regard for and they don't ask me my vin number every time I call )....anyway... I was told the mode switches were no longer available and I could send my old one in to be rebuilt. This is probably sound advice but for those of you who have a Delorean like mine, (held together with duct tape, sporting at least 4 different vin numbers and God forbid it's painted to), I did find the identical switch in the junk yard, yes the junk yard, not auto recycler etc. The switch can be found in a mid-80's Pontiac LeMans, I'm not positive of the exact year maybe someone out there can clarify that but I have 4 or 5 of them in my spare parts bin. It is the same manufacturer, same configuration, same electrical connection, same vacuum connections, it's the same switch. Works fine. Maybe this no revelation but I hope someone can benefit from this. -Sweaty Eddy
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:33:08 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: Angle Drive
This topic has been covered many times on the DML.
You can order rebuilt angle drives from any of the Delorean service centers. Check out http://www.pjgrady.com/speedometer.htm and you will find all you need, if not more.
For more details, Your best bet is to search the archives.. I don't even try to remember everything!
Jeff Wiltzius wrote: > > Hello all, > <Speedo angle drive story SNIP> > > I appreciate ideas/suggestions and thank you in advance for replys, > > Sincerely, > > Jeff Wiltzius > VIN=6145 (I think but I'll check to make sure when I get home) > > ------------------ > Jeff Wiltzius > DoIT HelpDesk > UW Madison
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:38:48 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: New guy and his D
The Legend turbo system had a large manifold on top of the MAF, than attached to the turbos that were directly below it. Most of the "Turbo Kits" have the turbo's located more towards the back of the car.
Do you have a picture of the Delorean One kit? I'd like to see the "black part" you are talking about.
Thanks, Marc
Paul Gress wrote: > <SNIP> > turbo kit that was manufactured by Delorean One was a copy of the Legend > turbo kit. The IHI RHB52 turbo's by the way were used in a Maserati > Bi-Turbo car produced around the same time. The black part above the mass > air sensor is a cast aluminum housing. PJ Grady has some Legend parts and <SNIP>
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:01:52 -0600 (MDT) From: raddad@cmn.net Subject: Re: DML: Re: A/c drain
Michael
One final thought re the air conditioner draining water: Remember you now live in Colorado! It takes a pretty hot day combined with a fair amount of hunidity (and a pretty long run with the iar on) to create enough "frost" to, in turn, cause a water drip after you have parked and shut off the engine. The combination of high heat and humidity is a pretty rare accurence here in Broncoland.
See, there are some offsets to our high insurance costs.
Dick Ryan
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:28:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryl Classick <jettrink@TSO.Cin.IX.Net> Subject: DML: Re: Cincinnati Show
ONly a few weeks before the show, I did not know there was a real Delorean car. I thought it was made up for the BTTF movies. What a surprise to find an ad on the web advertising the Cincinnati show. I found it in one local paper in such small print, you could easily not see it. There was also no local tv coverage. I couldn't believe it, thought there were some people on the roof of the museum, I guess they were from some cable company, so if they are putting this on cable, I wonder when? I also think they would have doen better by having larger signs inside the museum. When I first saw the sign, I thought it was for members only. But I did see someone bring in a whole load of T-shirts. I asked several Delorean owners if we could buy a T-shirt and they all said no, but we went in anyway. I would like to say all the Deloreans were very impressive though we have never ridden in one, at least some kind sould let us sit in one. Thank you to whoever it was if you are on this list. WE also would like to thank the first Delorean people we met, don't know who you are, but you are at http://w3.one.net/~arazi.delorean.html. I am sorry the photos came out so bad. WE would also like to contact the people from New Jersey who were selling the BTTF spinning car. Although there are supposed to be many people in Cincinnati with Deloreans, we did not see them.
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:54:10 -0400 From: Mike Substelny <SUBSTEM@cesmtp.ccf.org> Subject: DML: "Leather Interior" and Tips for DeLorean Buyers
Phil said:
> A dealer here in town advertised one with "leather interior". > Upon closer inspection I discovered that it was vinyl! His > reply was "Yeah, but it's a good match".
Every DeLorean left the factory with leather seats, but vinyl everywhere else. If you do find a car with a leather dashboard & center consol you may rest assured it is not original.
> When I check out this car for sale how do I go about inspecting > the angle drive and what should I look for?
Drive the car. If the speedometer works then the angle drive works. It is probably not worth the trouble to look inside the angle drive.
> Do lots of DeLoreans have altered mileage?
I do know of several DeLoreans, including my own, with altered mileage due to poor angle drive maintenance. My mileage is pretty close, however, as I replaced the angle drive soon after it failed.
> How about a list of questions to ask the current owner?
This has come up many times on the DML. A lengthy discussion of this took place in the early days. See especially the backissue dated Tuesday, 17 December 1996. Also search the backissues (the new search engine is very powerful) for any particular problem that has you worried.
The DeLorean Club of Oregon has this page at the DMC News website:
http://www.dmcnews.com/faq/care.htm
The DeLorean Owners Association has a page of "DeLorean Purchase Guidelines" at their website. Go to:
http://www.delorean-owners.org/
Good luck!
- - Mike Substelny
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:17:32 -0400 From: "DMC Joe" <dmcjoe@att.net> Subject: DML: Re: Buyer's Point of View
Phil, It's not that DeLoreans have altered mileage numbers it's the fact that because of angle drive failures many cars have less miles on the odometer than are actually on the car. If you would like more details on what to check out on a DeLorean call me directly at 770 631-4800. I also have a couple of clients who's DeLoreans are for sale if your interested. Joe/DeLorean Services
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:58:13 -0400 From: Marc A Levy <malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: DML: Re: Cincinnati Show
Gary Massie (Not sure of the spelling) had the BTTF spinning toy car on display. This toy was made for the animated BTTF series. I am not sure if Gary sells it, but you can purchase one from http://www.bttf.com/ (No, I don't work for them, but I have purchased from them with no problems!)
You have the first picture I have seen on the net of the car with all the interesting metal (aluminum?) extras. Anyone know who owns it? http://w3.one.net/~arazi/DELO4.jpg
Cheryl Classick wrote: <SNIP> > WE would also like to contact the people > from New Jersey who were selling the BTTF spinning car.
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:59:11 -0500 From: Thomas Bohmier <Bohmier@sprintmail.com> Subject: Re: DML: New Owner
Before I would plunk down $16,000.00 I would pay to have someone from Delorean One or otherwise look over it carefully.
Thomas Bohmier Dallas
World Traveller wrote:
> Assuming that I buy and drive home my new DeLorean in two weeks what do > you experienced owners recommend I DON'T do once I get it home? Is there > such a book as "DeLorean Ownership For Dummies"? I'm used to buying a > used car and the first thing that I do is wash and wax it MY way. This > is part of the "bonding" process. Don't worry, I've read enough to know > not to wax my new D but what else should I avoid besides steel wool and > sandpaper? I will take it up to Garden Grove to have the guys check it > out and tell me if I got screwed on the deal or did okay. Honesty counts > and sometimes hurts but "it's only money", right? I just hope that I can > enjoy it for the first year without any major breakdowns and then decide > if I want to keep it or take a loss and sell it to another dreamer. By > the way, the seller is letting me "have it" for 16K which I think is a > fair price, not too much and not too little. Any replies would be > appreciated! Oh yeah, I CAN NOT find a mechanic here in San Diego that > will work on a DeLorean!! One claims that parts aren't available (BS) > and the other are too afraid. What can I tell them to convince them that > it is "just" a car, not a Rolls or Lamborghini! Also, my insurance agent > told me that it is a "custom made" car. I thought that it was a regular > production model not custom! He gave me a good quote anyway... Thanks > for any and all advice. Phil.
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