DeLorean Mailing List - 08/07/96


Wednesday, 7 August 1996      Volume 02 : Number 151

       In this issue:
        Re: Front end lowering
        Master Cylinder
        Back from the games
        RE: Call to action! (and DOA)
        Two-tone interiors
        Alternator or Battery ??
        Black Interior and Carpets
        Checking the Oil
        Re: DOA

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From: ausmith@pdx.oneworld.com
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:40:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Front end lowering

You wrote; 
> The springs are wound tighter near the ends so that they sit flat in 
> the recessed seats. If one cuts a winding off the spring, then it will 
> no longer sit flat in its seat, and even if one grinds the sharp end 
> off the cut a bit, it seems likely that the cut end of the spring 
> would eventually penetrate the seat it rests against. Also, I 
> anticipated taking one winding's worth of height out of the spring (I 
> hope to lower about 1.5-2"), but since the spring is wound tighter on 
> the ends I would likely need to take closer to two windings out. How 
> much is usually cut off the spring? With fewer windings to cover the 
> travel, doesn't the spring get stiffer? Should the spring be cut at 
> the top (so that the isolator pad covers the cut end) or at the bottom 
> (so the cut end sits directly in the lower seat). Should the spring be 
> rotated so that the cut part sits at the inner portion of the seat or 
> the outer?
 As I told you, cut off 1/2 coil to achieve the desired result. This 
assumes that the spring will be re-shaped to match the look of the 
original configuration. This is why I suggested it be done by a 
professional shop. I have done this exactly as I have described, on 
my previous DeLorean. It's not difficult but it does require some 
tools, that normal people don't have, and knowledge of their use 
and inherent limitations.
 I'm sure that there are shops, in the phone book, that specialize in 
coil springs and can do the job.

Chris

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From: Richard Strecker, dmc1219@eos.eos.net
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:09:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Master Cylinder

I would like to know if anyone has found either a rebuild kit for the
brake master cylinder or an available replacement unit.  

I'm still trying to resolve my brake problems.

Thanks,

Richard

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From: SCiszek@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:12:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Back from the games

      I just got back from the Olympic games in Atlanta and while I was 
there
I had the good fortune to meet with DeLorean great, Joe LoRe. For those of
you who don't know Joe, he has devoted some 8-9 years to the research of 
the
DeLorean motor car and is extremely knowledgeable. I was able to see his
research vehicle that he uses to test various components of the car, which
looked like a stripped down version from the BTTF movie. He had completely
rewired the entire car and added a multitude of features and button such 
as a
push button ignition system (no key needed), and most interesting of all, 
a
homemade keyless entry system which unlocks the doors as well as starts 
the
car, disarms the alarm system and turns on the air-conditioning. It was a
very rewarding experience. One thing that Mr. LoRe said that was of 
interest
was that new tires greatly improve the driveability of the car. He said 
the
NCT's were very poor tires and accounted for much of the bad reviews the
DeLorean got early on in terms of handling, etc. He said that with new 
tires
the car is much easier to drive at slow speeds. Has anyone with new tires 
on
their car noticed such a dramatic improvement over the originals?

Knut wrote:
>There used to be an outfit that advertised shorter springs in DeLorean 
>World, but they have not advertised for several years and I assume 
>they are defunct. Does anyone know a source for shorter DMC springs?
    
    I believe the source you are thinking of is DeLorean Specialties in
Philadelphia. As I heard he is still around although not so much on the 
scene
as he used to be. I've been meaning to give him a call as I too am 
interested
in lowering my car. I have seen the springs that he sells on a car and 
they
lower the car substantially, maybe 4inches+, but they do look great. It is
also recommended that you lower the rear springs as well and DSI sells
(sold?) these as well as shortened shocks to compensate for the lowered 
ride.
The number for DSI is 1-800-272-7374.

     Does anyone know where I could obtain any grey colored interior 
pieces.
I have the black interior and as doing a complete interior overhaul would 
be
a monstrous task as well as an expensive one, I am thinking about doing a
du-tone interior. Possibly replacing the black center console, armrests, 
and
knee pads with matching grey ones. Any information would  much 
appreciated. 

                                                - Scott Ciszek
                                              

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From: mal@hocpa.ho.att.com
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:24:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: Call to action! (and DOA)

James Writes:

>I'd also like to ask those of you involved in a DeLorean club/group in
>your part of the world to encourage your friends to subscribe also.


I have been away, so excuse the delay in comment.

In theory, if we have more people on the list then we should have 
available 
to us a larger amount of information available to current, and future 
delorean list people.

In reality, all other mailing lists that I have been on for more "Mass 
Produced" automobiles all have huge numbers of members, but do not offer 
any 
more advantage over this list.  Most cases, the opposite is true.

I have been a member of the Mustang mailing list, and I am still a member 
of 
the SHO mailing list.  Both lists are HUGE files.  Some of the SHO Digest 
versions are 100+ pages printed EVERY DAY!!  Most of us do not have time 
to 
read 100+ pages a day, so many times valuable information is lost in the 
mess.

I find the DMC list has a nice mix of all threads.  The larger lists have 
too much junk.  People arguing about Chevy VS Ford, or if someone's 
opinion 
is right or wrong.. Blah Blah Blah Blah!

The only time I have been able to read all of the SHO list is when I went 
on 
vacation.  I printed a weeks worth of the list (Over 500 pages!) and read 
it 
on the way to the airport, and on the plane.  In total it took over 6 
hours 
to read.  When I was all done, I removed about 15 pages that included 
information that I thought COULD be useful in the future.  I don't want 
to 
see this happen to the DMC list!

I would like to see many more people benefit in from the information and 
conversation that is available on the list, but to go out and solicit new 
members may attract the type of user who needs to argue every issue and 
get 
the last word, taking up bandwidth and out valuable time.

For someone who is a owner or just a fan of DMC, and wants to get more 
information need only to use one of the many internet search tools.  It 
is 
easy enough to find for the person that makes a effort.

Don't get me wrong, I am not against getting the user numbers up, but be 
careful what you wish for, you may get it!


Another thing that has always bugged me (While I am wasting your 
time....) 
is all of the messages referring to the DOA.  I think it is great that 
the 
DOA has all of this information available to the members, but I question 
why 
each item has a cost attached to it, a high cost at that for a non-profit 
organization.  It's one thing to sell back issues of the magazine for a 
few 
hundred bux, but a service directory for $2.00 + shipping?!  What do you 
guys pay to have the privilege of spending more money?  It's easy to make 
a 
profitable organization look non-profit.

It's really a shame that some of the information for sale by the DOA is 
otherwise difficult or impossible to get by a non DOA member, but even 
worse 
that the DOA does not allow the information to be shared with others.  
Looks 
like DOA is in business to make money, not get information out to DMC 
owners.  The DOA is the only automotive association I have seen that does 
this.  Ya, most have dues and charge for some things, but once It's out, 
no 
one cares if the information is passed on!


Wow.... I am guilty of doing what I hate to see!!  I guess you should 
reply 
to me through e-mail if you want so we don't waste too much space on the 
list!

Marc
malevy@lucent.com



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From: mikasa@goodnet.com
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:18:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Two-tone interiors

>     Does anyone know where I could obtain any grey colored interior pieces.
>I have the black interior and as doing a complete interior overhaul would be
>a monstrous task as well as an expensive one, I am thinking about doing a
>du-tone interior. Possibly replacing the black center console, armrests, and
>knee pads with matching grey ones. Any information would  much appreciated. 

Same subject, but different train of thought...I once saw a VERY late 
1983, supposedly one of theones finished/assembled by KAPAC here in the 
States, and I guess they were just using whatever peices they had left 
over because it had a grey dash, black carpets AND, what really made it 
noticeable, a black glove box lid. Looked strange...

James

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From: stormrider@socketis.net
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:49:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Alternator or Battery ??

Here I go again with another NEW problem. Everytime I fix one problem at
least two new ones appear. This is getting rather frustrating and
expensive.

OK, the last two nights I noticed that the voltmeter is always reading
between 13 and 15 volts depending on if the lights are on or not. Upon
coming off the highway both nights, the engine started to idle rough
dipping to 500 rpm and surging up to 2000 rpm (generally idles at around
750-900 rpm). The lights also would dim during this cycling up and down of
the idle. After driving a few blocks all seemed well again.

Sounds to me that either my battery is going bad or the alternator is
giving out and may be overcharging the battery (which leads me back to the
first guess). Before I shell out another $500+ on my car I wanted to know
what others think -

Bad Alternator or Bad Battery or BOTH ???

Thanks!

~ Chase



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From: stormrider@socketis.net
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:09:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Black Interior and Carpets

I have an early 1981 DeLorean (built in May) and it is naturally a black
interior. I have seen the black and gray floor mats for sale by D1 (and
probably other outfits), and have always wondered about this as I have a
dark gray carpet that looks like it is original. Do all black cars have
gray carpet or do some have black carpet? If they are all gray then why 
not
sell floor mats to match the carpet rather than making them black to match
the rest of the interior?

~ Chase



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From: stormrider@socketis.net
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:09:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Checking the Oil

I had the chance to visit with another DeLorean owner in my area during a
recent car show and we noticed several difference between our cars, one or
two of which were quite strange.

My oil dipstick is located on the left side of the engine near the A/C
compressor, while he's is located on the back side of the engine. I have 
an
'81 5-speed, while his is an '81 automatic. Actually his car is titled as
an '82, but the door plate gives a late '81 maufacture date.

Just curious about this little difference between our cars and why the
dipsticks would be in different places. Mine is definitely the easier of
the two locations to reach on a regular basis. :)

~ Chase



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From: mikasa@goodnet.com
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:40:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: DOA

>Another thing that has always bugged me (While I am wasting your time....) 
>is all of the messages referring to the DOA.  I think it is great that the 
>DOA has all of this information available to the members, but I question why 

Each day (literally) someone finds out about the Association for the 
first time. Many people aren't aware of the many benefits of being a 
member, and THIS LIST is a great forum for DeLorean owners and 
enthusiasts to find out about the Association (as well as other groups 
and firms offering DeLorean-related products/services). I'm very proud 
(as the moderator) that the "signal-to-noise" ratio on this list is very 
good, a fact that you mentioned. Don't fault the Association for being 
more organized than the few other DeLorean groups out there. They could 
be doing the same thing to spread the word about their groups, but they 
aren't. 

>each item has a cost attached to it, a high cost at that for a non-profit 
>organization.  It's one thing to sell back issues of the magazine for a few 
>hundred bux, but a service directory for $2.00 + shipping?!  What do you 
>guys pay to have the privilege of spending more money?  It's easy to make a 
>profitable organization look non-profit.

The service directory you mentioned is a good example. Think about what 
went into creating that booklet, first, the membership was polled as to 
the service facilities in their area, then all that information had to be 
verified - someone had to pay for all those long-distance phone calls, 
then the data had to be typeset and laid out, then printed and bound. If 
memory serves, all active members at the time were sent a copy at no cost 
to them (DOA paid postage) and each new member is sent a copy upon 
joining. This isn't like going down to your local government office and 
picking up some of their printed brochures - the Association CAN'T go 
into the red every year like the USA.

>It's really a shame that some of the information for sale by the DOA is 
>otherwise difficult or impossible to get by a non DOA member, but even worse 
>that the DOA does not allow the information to be shared with others.  Looks 
>like DOA is in business to make money, not get information out to DMC 

The key is right there. The DOA is in business. Yes, business. And in 
order to stay in business, it must be operated like one. 

>owners.  The DOA is the only automotive association I have seen that does 

Try the Lotus club, for one.

>this.  Ya, most have dues and charge for some things, but once It's out, no 
>one cares if the information is passed on!

Is that really fair to the rest of the members of the organization, to 
have one person pay for something and then pass it on to all their 
buddies? It's just like software, if you "bum" copies off your friends, 
where is the motivation to create greater and better stuff?

>Wow.... I am guilty of doing what I hate to see!!  I guess you should reply 
>to me through e-mail if you want so we don't waste too much space on the 
>list!

If it's a waste of space, why did YOU bother? Criticize in public, but 
defend/respond in private, huh? Don't get me wrong, but if you're going 
to denigrate ANYTHING/ANYONE in public, don't you think they deserve the 
right to respond in public as well?

There are several board members who subscribe to this list, some 
participate and some lurk. Perhaps because I am so new to the board, I 
feel a responsibility to respond to these "attacks" because I see the 
work that goes into creating these products, organizing the expo, 
producing DeLorean World, maintaining a web site and promoting the marque 
in general. The goal is to preserve the DeLorean, pure and simple.

BTW, none of this is personal against you, Marc, just my response as a 
member, chapter coordinator and board member of the Association. 

James

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