Wednesday, 7 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 151 In this issue: Re: Front end lowering Master Cylinder Back from the games RE: Call to action! (and DOA) Two-tone interiors Alternator or Battery ?? Black Interior and Carpets Checking the Oil Re: DOA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Front end lowering You wrote; > The springs are wound tighter near the ends so that they sit flat in > the recessed seats. If one cuts a winding off the spring, then it will > no longer sit flat in its seat, and even if one grinds the sharp end > off the cut a bit, it seems likely that the cut end of the spring > would eventually penetrate the seat it rests against. Also, I > anticipated taking one winding's worth of height out of the spring (I > hope to lower about 1.5-2"), but since the spring is wound tighter on > the ends I would likely need to take closer to two windings out. How > much is usually cut off the spring? With fewer windings to cover the > travel, doesn't the spring get stiffer? Should the spring be cut at > the top (so that the isolator pad covers the cut end) or at the bottom > (so the cut end sits directly in the lower seat). Should the spring be > rotated so that the cut part sits at the inner portion of the seat or > the outer? As I told you, cut off 1/2 coil to achieve the desired result. This assumes that the spring will be re-shaped to match the look of the original configuration. This is why I suggested it be done by a professional shop. I have done this exactly as I have described, on my previous DeLorean. It's not difficult but it does require some tools, that normal people don't have, and knowledge of their use and inherent limitations. I'm sure that there are shops, in the phone book, that specialize in coil springs and can do the job. Chris ------------------------------ From: Richard Strecker, email@example.com Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Master Cylinder I would like to know if anyone has found either a rebuild kit for the brake master cylinder or an available replacement unit. I'm still trying to resolve my brake problems. Thanks, Richard ------------------------------ From: SCiszek@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Back from the games I just got back from the Olympic games in Atlanta and while I was there I had the good fortune to meet with DeLorean great, Joe LoRe. For those of you who don't know Joe, he has devoted some 8-9 years to the research of the DeLorean motor car and is extremely knowledgeable. I was able to see his research vehicle that he uses to test various components of the car, which looked like a stripped down version from the BTTF movie. He had completely rewired the entire car and added a multitude of features and button such as a push button ignition system (no key needed), and most interesting of all, a homemade keyless entry system which unlocks the doors as well as starts the car, disarms the alarm system and turns on the air-conditioning. It was a very rewarding experience. One thing that Mr. LoRe said that was of interest was that new tires greatly improve the driveability of the car. He said the NCT's were very poor tires and accounted for much of the bad reviews the DeLorean got early on in terms of handling, etc. He said that with new tires the car is much easier to drive at slow speeds. Has anyone with new tires on their car noticed such a dramatic improvement over the originals? Knut wrote: >There used to be an outfit that advertised shorter springs in DeLorean >World, but they have not advertised for several years and I assume >they are defunct. Does anyone know a source for shorter DMC springs? I believe the source you are thinking of is DeLorean Specialties in Philadelphia. As I heard he is still around although not so much on the scene as he used to be. I've been meaning to give him a call as I too am interested in lowering my car. I have seen the springs that he sells on a car and they lower the car substantially, maybe 4inches+, but they do look great. It is also recommended that you lower the rear springs as well and DSI sells (sold?) these as well as shortened shocks to compensate for the lowered ride. The number for DSI is 1-800-272-7374. Does anyone know where I could obtain any grey colored interior pieces. I have the black interior and as doing a complete interior overhaul would be a monstrous task as well as an expensive one, I am thinking about doing a du-tone interior. Possibly replacing the black center console, armrests, and knee pads with matching grey ones. Any information would much appreciated. - Scott Ciszek ------------------------------ From: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: Call to action! (and DOA) James Writes: >I'd also like to ask those of you involved in a DeLorean club/group in >your part of the world to encourage your friends to subscribe also. I have been away, so excuse the delay in comment. In theory, if we have more people on the list then we should have available to us a larger amount of information available to current, and future delorean list people. In reality, all other mailing lists that I have been on for more "Mass Produced" automobiles all have huge numbers of members, but do not offer any more advantage over this list. Most cases, the opposite is true. I have been a member of the Mustang mailing list, and I am still a member of the SHO mailing list. Both lists are HUGE files. Some of the SHO Digest versions are 100+ pages printed EVERY DAY!! Most of us do not have time to read 100+ pages a day, so many times valuable information is lost in the mess. I find the DMC list has a nice mix of all threads. The larger lists have too much junk. People arguing about Chevy VS Ford, or if someone's opinion is right or wrong.. Blah Blah Blah Blah! The only time I have been able to read all of the SHO list is when I went on vacation. I printed a weeks worth of the list (Over 500 pages!) and read it on the way to the airport, and on the plane. In total it took over 6 hours to read. When I was all done, I removed about 15 pages that included information that I thought COULD be useful in the future. I don't want to see this happen to the DMC list! I would like to see many more people benefit in from the information and conversation that is available on the list, but to go out and solicit new members may attract the type of user who needs to argue every issue and get the last word, taking up bandwidth and out valuable time. For someone who is a owner or just a fan of DMC, and wants to get more information need only to use one of the many internet search tools. It is easy enough to find for the person that makes a effort. Don't get me wrong, I am not against getting the user numbers up, but be careful what you wish for, you may get it! Another thing that has always bugged me (While I am wasting your time....) is all of the messages referring to the DOA. I think it is great that the DOA has all of this information available to the members, but I question why each item has a cost attached to it, a high cost at that for a non-profit organization. It's one thing to sell back issues of the magazine for a few hundred bux, but a service directory for $2.00 + shipping?! What do you guys pay to have the privilege of spending more money? It's easy to make a profitable organization look non-profit. It's really a shame that some of the information for sale by the DOA is otherwise difficult or impossible to get by a non DOA member, but even worse that the DOA does not allow the information to be shared with others. Looks like DOA is in business to make money, not get information out to DMC owners. The DOA is the only automotive association I have seen that does this. Ya, most have dues and charge for some things, but once It's out, no one cares if the information is passed on! Wow.... I am guilty of doing what I hate to see!! I guess you should reply to me through e-mail if you want so we don't waste too much space on the list! Marc email@example.com ------------------------------ From: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Two-tone interiors > Does anyone know where I could obtain any grey colored interior pieces. >I have the black interior and as doing a complete interior overhaul would be >a monstrous task as well as an expensive one, I am thinking about doing a >du-tone interior. Possibly replacing the black center console, armrests, and >knee pads with matching grey ones. Any information would much appreciated. Same subject, but different train of thought...I once saw a VERY late 1983, supposedly one of theones finished/assembled by KAPAC here in the States, and I guess they were just using whatever peices they had left over because it had a grey dash, black carpets AND, what really made it noticeable, a black glove box lid. Looked strange... James ------------------------------ From: email@example.com Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Alternator or Battery ?? Here I go again with another NEW problem. Everytime I fix one problem at least two new ones appear. This is getting rather frustrating and expensive. OK, the last two nights I noticed that the voltmeter is always reading between 13 and 15 volts depending on if the lights are on or not. Upon coming off the highway both nights, the engine started to idle rough dipping to 500 rpm and surging up to 2000 rpm (generally idles at around 750-900 rpm). The lights also would dim during this cycling up and down of the idle. After driving a few blocks all seemed well again. Sounds to me that either my battery is going bad or the alternator is giving out and may be overcharging the battery (which leads me back to the first guess). Before I shell out another $500+ on my car I wanted to know what others think - Bad Alternator or Bad Battery or BOTH ??? Thanks! ~ Chase ------------------------------ From: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Black Interior and Carpets I have an early 1981 DeLorean (built in May) and it is naturally a black interior. I have seen the black and gray floor mats for sale by D1 (and probably other outfits), and have always wondered about this as I have a dark gray carpet that looks like it is original. Do all black cars have gray carpet or do some have black carpet? If they are all gray then why not sell floor mats to match the carpet rather than making them black to match the rest of the interior? ~ Chase ------------------------------ From: email@example.com Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Checking the Oil I had the chance to visit with another DeLorean owner in my area during a recent car show and we noticed several difference between our cars, one or two of which were quite strange. My oil dipstick is located on the left side of the engine near the A/C compressor, while he's is located on the back side of the engine. I have an '81 5-speed, while his is an '81 automatic. Actually his car is titled as an '82, but the door plate gives a late '81 maufacture date. Just curious about this little difference between our cars and why the dipsticks would be in different places. Mine is definitely the easier of the two locations to reach on a regular basis. :) ~ Chase ------------------------------ From: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 13:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: DOA >Another thing that has always bugged me (While I am wasting your time....) >is all of the messages referring to the DOA. I think it is great that the >DOA has all of this information available to the members, but I question why Each day (literally) someone finds out about the Association for the first time. Many people aren't aware of the many benefits of being a member, and THIS LIST is a great forum for DeLorean owners and enthusiasts to find out about the Association (as well as other groups and firms offering DeLorean-related products/services). I'm very proud (as the moderator) that the "signal-to-noise" ratio on this list is very good, a fact that you mentioned. Don't fault the Association for being more organized than the few other DeLorean groups out there. They could be doing the same thing to spread the word about their groups, but they aren't. >each item has a cost attached to it, a high cost at that for a non-profit >organization. It's one thing to sell back issues of the magazine for a few >hundred bux, but a service directory for $2.00 + shipping?! What do you >guys pay to have the privilege of spending more money? It's easy to make a >profitable organization look non-profit. The service directory you mentioned is a good example. Think about what went into creating that booklet, first, the membership was polled as to the service facilities in their area, then all that information had to be verified - someone had to pay for all those long-distance phone calls, then the data had to be typeset and laid out, then printed and bound. If memory serves, all active members at the time were sent a copy at no cost to them (DOA paid postage) and each new member is sent a copy upon joining. This isn't like going down to your local government office and picking up some of their printed brochures - the Association CAN'T go into the red every year like the USA. >It's really a shame that some of the information for sale by the DOA is >otherwise difficult or impossible to get by a non DOA member, but even worse >that the DOA does not allow the information to be shared with others. Looks >like DOA is in business to make money, not get information out to DMC The key is right there. The DOA is in business. Yes, business. And in order to stay in business, it must be operated like one. >owners. The DOA is the only automotive association I have seen that does Try the Lotus club, for one. >this. Ya, most have dues and charge for some things, but once It's out, no >one cares if the information is passed on! Is that really fair to the rest of the members of the organization, to have one person pay for something and then pass it on to all their buddies? It's just like software, if you "bum" copies off your friends, where is the motivation to create greater and better stuff? >Wow.... I am guilty of doing what I hate to see!! I guess you should reply >to me through e-mail if you want so we don't waste too much space on the >list! If it's a waste of space, why did YOU bother? Criticize in public, but defend/respond in private, huh? Don't get me wrong, but if you're going to denigrate ANYTHING/ANYONE in public, don't you think they deserve the right to respond in public as well? There are several board members who subscribe to this list, some participate and some lurk. Perhaps because I am so new to the board, I feel a responsibility to respond to these "attacks" because I see the work that goes into creating these products, organizing the expo, producing DeLorean World, maintaining a web site and promoting the marque in general. The goal is to preserve the DeLorean, pure and simple. BTW, none of this is personal against you, Marc, just my response as a member, chapter coordinator and board member of the Association. James ------------------------------ End of dmcnews-digest V2 #151 *****************************
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