DeLorean Mailing List - 08/09/96

Friday, 9 August 1996       Volume 02 : Number 152

       In this issue:
        Re: Re: Call to Action
        Replacing a right rear quarter
        New Replacement OIL Filter !
        Re: Replacing a right rear quarter
        Check your Belts! / BTTF Delorean
        RE: DOA
        Stainless Body Work
        Re: New Replacement OIL Filter !
        tires and handleing
        RE: Custom Plates
        A DeLorean History Quandry
        Re: Front end lowering
        DeLorean Photo Gallery
        Re: Back from the games
        Re: New Replacement OIL Filter !
        License plate jokes


From: Mike Substelny,
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:56:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Re: Call to Action

Marc writes:
>I would like to see many more people benefit in from the
>information and  conversation that is available on the list,
>but to go out and solicit new  members may attract the
>type of user who needs to argue every issue and get the
>last word, taking up bandwidth and out valuable time.

I, too, am happy with the size and variety of this list. 
However, the DML has another function that the other lists
Marc mentions do not have.  The DeLorean is a greatly
misunderstood automobile.  There are a lot of lurkers out
there who discover things and and even ask questions that
you would never find in a Taurus Forum.  For example,
everyone knows the Taurus is an American car, but maybe
10% know the DeLorean was made in Ireland.

More importantly, this list can make the cars more valuable
by letting people know how great they are.  When I started
shopping for my DeLorean my family and friends laughed at
me, saying I would need to buy my own machine shop to
make spare parts because they weren't available anymore. 
One friend was absolutely certain that only 100 DeLoreans
were ever made, another said it had a Volkswagen engine. 
The DOA turned out to be a great resource for relieving this
ignorance, but that took some initiative on my part.  The
DOA also exposed me to mostly the cream of DeLorean
owners, which was good and bad at the same time.  With
very little initiative anyone with a web browser can find the
DML and learn about the experiences of plain folks with their
DeLoreans.  I wish everyone in the world was a lurker on the

>Looks  like DOA is in business to make money, not get
>information out to DMC owners.

This never crossed my mind.  I love the DOA and I am very
glad it exists.  Porsche owners can go to a neighborhood
auto parts store to chat about their cars and buy a Porsche
key chain.  They can find an annual Porsche meet in any
major city.  Without the DOA I would have no magazine with
beautiful DeLorean pictures on my coffee table, no annual
DeLorean convention, and no DeLorean key chain!  I like the
DOA just the way it is.

- -Mike Substelny


Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:17:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Replacing a right rear quarter

Anyone have any tips to pass on regarding replacing a quarter?  That's my 
weekend project, am I being optimistic or not? The manuals make it look 
pretty straght-forward, but I'm wondering if there is anything I should 
look for, particularly in the rear facia area. Anyone?



Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 11:59:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: New Replacement OIL Filter !

This may be old news to some but I just
found that Purolator Oil Filters references
the 1981-83  Delorean  DMC12  2.8L V6
in their 1996 filter book.  

The Purolator part # was: 10018.

It was on the shelf for $3.99.
They also had air and fuel filter #'s.
Go fig...

- -C2 


Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:00:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Replacing a right rear quarter

>Anyone have any tips to pass on regarding replacing a quarter?  That's my
>weekend project, am I being optimistic or not? The manuals make it look
>pretty straght-forward, but I'm wondering if there is anything I should
>look for, particularly in the rear facia area. Anyone?


One thing I found recently while cleaning my light circuit boards and
replacing the assembly screws in the rear fascia is that the rubber fascia
has a tendency to deform or slip lower than normal. This made it much
tougher to get the screws to line back up with the holes to reinstall the
light boards. This happened with only one side disassembled.

Also, I noticed that there are threaded metal "squares" which the screws
from the light assemblies thread through. If the wrong thread type is used
with new screws, these squares can start to twist around in the rubber

Lesson here is to be patient and careful. It also never hurts to have an
extra hand of pairs handy JUST IN CASE.

~ Chase


Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:00:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Check your Belts! / BTTF Delorean

Hi again,

Just got back from a 2 week vacation.  Went to Vegas, and Los Angeles.

While in LA I went to Universal Studios and noticed a few things.

There is a special effects show (next to Backdraft) that includes scenes 
from BTTF.  They have 2 model DeLoreans.  One a bit smaller than the real 
car, and a perfect "Robotic" miniature one.  What really surprised me was 
the 3'rd one.  They used it to film the scenes inside the car.  This 
like a real delorean with the nose removed.  When the kids got in it for 
demo, the doors closed and sounded just like the real thing.  I am sure 
is just a cut up Delorean.  What a shame!!

Later, we were walking past the kiddie play area.  Behind it there was a 
nice view of the valley, so I figured I would go over and check it out.  
I got closer I noticed a BTTF looking Delorean with a real California 
licence plate on it.  As I got closer a employe told me it was a 
area, and I could not look at the car.  Oh well!  What a bummer.  There 
is a 
Doc Brown guy running around the park, so I guess he drives the car when 
park is less crowded (like the blues brothers drive their car...) Or 

So, anyway.... I got back from vacation, and wanted to take the DeLorean 
last night.  Pulled out of the garage, and took off.  less than 1/4 mile 
from the house I head a terrible noise that sounded like the a bearing.  
opened the engine compartment and saw that the belt shredded.  I turned 
around and went home.  The entire ride was less that 2 minutes, but when 
got home there was antifreeze leaking out, and it was obvious the engine 
overheating (Water pump/alternator belt broke).  Stupid me went and 
the radiator cap to relieve the pressure.  I did not want to damage any 
the cooling components with the high pressure.  I thought the cap may not 
releasing the pressure as it was designed.  There was no fluid left in 
bottle (plastic) so I figured it would be ok..  Well, I was wrong!  I had 
Yellowstone park in my garage!

Learn from my stupidity!  (BTW, don't drive to far without a waterpump!)



Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:41:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: DOA

I Write:
>this.  Ya, most have dues and charge for some things, but once It's out, no 
>one cares if the information is passed on!

James Writes:
>Is that really fair to the rest of the members of the organization, to
>have one person pay for something and then pass it on to all their
>buddies? It's just like software, if you "bum" copies off your friends,
>where is the motivation to create greater and better stuff?

The motivation should be to preserve the Delorean (as you say) and share 
information with other DeLorean owners.  Most if not all of the members 
this mailing list share what their experiences and information with the 
of the group for free.  What is the motivation?  If the DOA was being run 
the same motivation there would be a fair annual fee to be a member, and 
of the publications of information would be sent for no additional 
 I realize it cost money to run such a operation, but if the board 
are working in their spare time for the love of the car and benefit of 
owners, cost should be minimal.

I must admit, I don't know if the board members are paid, I don't know 
the annual fee is, and I don't know what the DOA gives it's members (in 
detail).  3 years ago when I purchased my Delorean all of the owners in 
NY/NJ area that I spoke with had nothing nice to say about the DOA.  I 
joined a local club that for political reasons left the national DOA 
tax argument that I am sure most DOA people know about).  The local club 
sends me small newsletters that include items of interest, and a repair 
or two.  Not the greatest thing in the word, but I am not nickel and dime 

I Write:
>Wow.... I am guilty of doing what I hate to see!!  I guess you should reply 
>to me through e-mail if you want so we don't waste too much space on the

James Writes:
>If it's a waste of space, why did YOU bother? Criticize in public, but
>defend/respond in private, huh? Don't get me wrong, but if you're going
>to denigrate ANYTHING/ANYONE in public, don't you think they deserve the
>right to respond in public as well?

You are correct.  I was just trying to save space if there was no 
 Anyone is free to respond any way they like.

James Writes:
>There are several board members who subscribe to this list, some
>participate and some lurk. Perhaps because I am so new to the board, I
>feel a responsibility to respond to these "attacks" because I see the
>work that goes into creating these products, organizing the expo,
>producing DeLorean World, maintaining a web site and promoting the marque
>in general. The goal is to preserve the DeLorean, pure and simple.

Organization of the expo should not be done with DOA funds.  This should 
done with the fees collected from the people who will be going to the 
 It is not fair to charge all members for a event they have no interest 

DeLorean World?  That's a magazine, right?  I have never seen one, but I 
assume that many of the DeLorean mechanics and part suppliers advertise 
this magazine.  This should reduce if not eliminate the cost of 

Maintaining the web site is no big deal.  I have not looked at it in a 
while, maybe I should!  Maybe the service provider is ripping the DOA 
 If the page is getting enough hits to require a more expensive service 
package from the provider, then there are enough hits to sell some 
advertising space and again offset the cost to the DOA.

Why does the DOA need to promote anything?  If the organization is 
non-profit, there is no benefit to adding members.  DeLorean owners 
don't have too many sources of parts and information.  Sooner or later 
(usually sooner) they will run across someone who tells them about the 
if they are not interested in looking themselves.

James Writes:
>BTW, none of this is personal against you, Mike, just my response as a
>member, chapter coordinator and board member of the Association.

Nothing personal at all..  Just a discussion of opinions.



Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:09:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Stainless Body Work

Several years ago a shopping cart rolled into the right front fender of 
my '82 DMC.  It left about a one inch long ding in the fender, no broken 
skin, but just an annoying blemish.  I've heard it's easy to remove body 
panels but have no experience in this process.  Assuming I can get access 
to the back of the panel can I bang out the ding or am I just going to 
make the problem worse?  Any help out there?

Tom  (Silver Bullit)


Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:09:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: New Replacement OIL Filter ! wrote:
> This may be old news to some but I just
> found that Purolator Oil Filters references
> the 1981-83  Delorean  DMC12  2.8L V6
> in their 1996 filter book.
> The Purolator part # was: 10018.
> It was on the shelf for $3.99.
> They also had air and fuel filter #'s.
> Go fig...
> -C2
> #3876

I suggest that you invest $3.99 in the Purolator filter and take a 
and cut it open.  Then do the same to the recommended oil filter.  Take a 
look at what you find inside each.

Then decide which filter you want to use to protect the engine of your 
$20,000+ automobile.  

I believe an oil filter from Delorean One is about $15.00.  I assume the 
other suppliers charge about the same.  You would save $11.00 each time 
changed your filter.  Of course, you would have to do it over 450 times 
save enough for a $5,000 engine rebuild.  Your choice ... :>)

Hank Breer
DOA 4637
VIN 1141


Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:10:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: tires and handleing

" Has anyone with new tires on their car noticed such a dramatic 
over the originals?"

Quite so!  I just had my new yokahams put on yesterday.  The improvement
over the old no name P.O.S. cavaliers is almost obscene.  I'm convinced
there is at least a .1+ G increase in the car's skidpad.  I should note 
I'm writting this at 5:30 in the moring, just after putting the car 
it's 4:00 A.M. paces, so I may be a little over enthusiastic.

On another note, I've recently been having problems with the fuel system.
I've allready redone the pump/acumulator system so I know it's not that.  
also know it's not deterriorated rubber since I've had the car for a few
years and It does not sit.  Here's the problem.  The first start of the 
(First start, not cold start mind you) is an extremely hard start.  The 
will cough it's way up through 200 RPMs untill 800 RPMs with the help of 
starter then take over on it's own.  After that she purs like a kiten for
the rest f the day at the slitest twitch of the ignition.  Also on the 
start she runs fine for the first 30 seconds.  After 30 seconds the luging
in Revs below 2300 is disgusting untill she starts to move her heat sensor
the slightest amount.  After the frst start of the day these problems 
entirely.  I've been told that I probably have bad gas in the filter.  I
just dumped a bottle of dry gas into the tank and put another thirty miles
on her.  Same problem at 4:00 A.M. this morning.  Any sugestions?

Damien Falato


Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:26:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: Custom Plates


I don't think most people would get the BARE SS plate.  The DeLorean 
people might get it or someone who was paying attention to the car but I 
think human nature would prevail.  Actually, I had to think about it 
myself!  ;)  For those of you who don't get it  yet,  put an A before the 
SS and you'll see what I mean. 

Sorry for being so crude but I just couldn't resist.


- --Rob Hook


Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:27:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: A DeLorean History Quandry

I hate to put this issue into an open forum, but I need some
feedback today.  It involves John DeLorean's arrest.  My
information is quite clear in stating that John was arrested,
with drugs in his possession, by US officials.  I am also fairly
certain that the "drugs in the doors of DeLorean cars" is just
a humorous rumor.

However, the Questions About DeLorean Motorcars section
on The DeLorean Home Page written by Knut Grimsrud says
that drugs were smuggled ". . . apparently in the doors of the
cars."  No offense, Knut, but I think (hope) this is incorrect.

It makes a big difference which story the public hears. 
People who hear the "busted with drugs" story sometimes
ridicule John DeLorean for making a naive mistake, but that's
about all.  People who hear the "drugs in doors" story ridicule
the car, claiming John DeLorean never cared if the car was
any good or not, they were just a front for his massive drug
cartel.  This devalues our DeLorean automobiles.

Am I wrong when I say no cars, nor other DMC employees
were involved?  Am I wrong when I say the "door" scandal
hurts the value of the cars?  Am I wrong to be embarrassed
at the thought of John DeLorean reading that on the web?

This weekend I plan to debut a sign debunking the "drugs in
doors" rumor at a major car show here.  I will be showing my
car along with others from the DOA Chapter 23 group.

Could some of you please give me a little feedback?  If there
were drugs in the doors then I won't show the sign.  If there
weren't drugs in the doors, I will request that the Questions
page be changed.

- -Mike Substelny


Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:27:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Front end lowering

Message authorized by:
    : at #EMAIL
    : at #EMAIL

I personally did my own DeLorean lowering.  I would suggest you cut off 2 
complete rings from the bottom.  Grind about 1/2 of the cut end so it is 
and parallel to the top rings.  Facing the wheel well position the cut 
end at 
the 7:00 o'clock (AM or PM) position in it's resting spot.  So on the 
drivers, side it points somewhat forward and on the passenger side it 
somewhat backwards.

Don't forget that you may also want to change shocks - see my earlier 

Also, if you are going to also lower the back you may want to try what I 
Have a machine shop carefully cut a new groove in the shock about 1 and 
inches below the old cut and just reassemble it.  No change in ride 
dynamics as 
you don't cut the spring and it's lower, which looks much better.  Also 
you need to cut away a little of the aluminum guard underneath as the 
train will rub it when lowered.

Best of luck,     The Silver Fox  
Subject: Front end lowering
Knut Grimsrud
DOA Chapter 41

Snipits of what Knut was asking follow;

>If one cuts a winding off the spring, then it will
no longer sit flat in its seat, and even if one grinds the sharp end
off the cut a bit, 
> Also, I anticipated taking one winding's worth of height out of the spring
 (I hope to lower about 1.5-2"),
> How much is usually cut off the spring? 
>Should the spring be cut at the top (so that the isolator pad covers the cut 
end) or at the bottom (so the cut end sits directly in the lower seat). 
the spring be rotated so that the cut part sits at the inner portion of 
the seat 
or the outer?



Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:39:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: DeLorean Photo Gallery

To fill the void left when Dave Takeuchi's web page went "down", the 
DeLorean Owners Association Web page will be maintaining a "DeLorean 
Photo Gallery" with photos of different DeLoreans. If anyone has a photo 
they would like to add, feel free to email them to 
"". We will be formally launching this page 
the first of next week, so look for the announcement here. 

James Espey
DOA Web-Guy


Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:39:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Back from the games

>Message authorized by:
>    : at #EMAIL
>Scott Ciszek wrote;     
>Does anyone know where I could obtain any grey colored interior
>pieces. I have the black interior and as doing a complete interior 
>overhaul would be a monstrous task as well as an expensive one, 
>I am thinking about doing a du-tone interior. Possibly replacing
>the black center console, armrests, and knee pads with matching 
>grey ones. Any information would be much appreciated.
I do have brand new original grey seat covers if your interested.
(847) 435-3733
The Silver Fox



Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:39:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: New Replacement OIL Filter !

Hank Breer writes: 
> I suggest that you invest $3.99 in the Purolator filter and take a hacksaw 
> and cut it open.  Then do the same to the recommended oil filter.  Take a 
> look at what you find inside each.
> Then decide which filter you want to use to protect the engine of your 
> $20,000+ automobile.  
> I believe an oil filter from Delorean One is about $15.00.  I assume the 
> other suppliers charge about the same.  You would save $11.00 each time you 
> changed your filter.  Of course, you would have to do it over 450 times 
> to save enough for a $5,000 engine rebuild.  Your choice ... :>)

 I have always found Purolator filters to be fine if you change your 
oil at recommended intervals. However the last time I bought one for 
a DeLorean it didn't fit. The diameter is just enough oversize to not 
clear the oil pressure sending unit.

 My suggestion is to visit your local Volvo dealer and buy a filter 
for a B28F engine. Each filter comes with a new washer for the drain 
plug and it fits. It's also a very good quality filter and you won't 
be paying D1s' rediculous prices.



Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:31:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: License plate jokes

Rob!  Where you been, buddy?  Long time no post!  Do you
still come to Cleveland now and then?  Gimme a call!

The BARE SS joke was purely intentional, you know.  I can
be kinduva rascal.

The Ohio custom plate request forms states: "Inappropriate
requests will not be granted."  I am 99% certain that Ohio
would have refused to make a plate that said BARE SS.  But
if someone did get away with it, they would have the funniest
six letter plate a DeLorean can get!  Actually, Ohio allows
two half-spaces on a six letter plate, so I might have gotten
away with: BARE S S.  Anyone else may feel free to use it,
if they like.  My favorite is still: A BARE 1

The great State of Ohio says it will take three weeks to make
my TIMELES custom plate.  In the mean time, they
cancelled my old plates and gave me a paper tag that says
TIMELES with the instructions "display this tag inside your
rear window until your license plate arrives by mail."  What a

As long as my sunshade louver is in place the paper tag is
totally invisible!  If I remove the old plate it looks like I have no
plates at all, a sure way to get pulled over every half mile in
Ohio.  So I also left the old plates on for now.  Of course,
now I am displaying plates that are both expired and
cancelled . . .

- - Mike "Public Enemy #1" Substelny


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