Friday, 9 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 152 In this issue: Re: Re: Call to Action Replacing a right rear quarter New Replacement OIL Filter ! Re: Replacing a right rear quarter Check your Belts! / BTTF Delorean RE: DOA Stainless Body Work Re: New Replacement OIL Filter ! tires and handleing RE: Custom Plates A DeLorean History Quandry Re: Front end lowering DeLorean Photo Gallery Re: Back from the games Re: New Replacement OIL Filter ! License plate jokes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Substelny, SUBSTEM@cesmtp.ccf.org Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Re: Call to Action Marc writes: >I would like to see many more people benefit in from the >information and conversation that is available on the list, >but to go out and solicit new members may attract the >type of user who needs to argue every issue and get the >last word, taking up bandwidth and out valuable time. I, too, am happy with the size and variety of this list. However, the DML has another function that the other lists Marc mentions do not have. The DeLorean is a greatly misunderstood automobile. There are a lot of lurkers out there who discover things and and even ask questions that you would never find in a Taurus Forum. For example, everyone knows the Taurus is an American car, but maybe 10% know the DeLorean was made in Ireland. More importantly, this list can make the cars more valuable by letting people know how great they are. When I started shopping for my DeLorean my family and friends laughed at me, saying I would need to buy my own machine shop to make spare parts because they weren't available anymore. One friend was absolutely certain that only 100 DeLoreans were ever made, another said it had a Volkswagen engine. The DOA turned out to be a great resource for relieving this ignorance, but that took some initiative on my part. The DOA also exposed me to mostly the cream of DeLorean owners, which was good and bad at the same time. With very little initiative anyone with a web browser can find the DML and learn about the experiences of plain folks with their DeLoreans. I wish everyone in the world was a lurker on the DML. >Looks like DOA is in business to make money, not get >information out to DMC owners. This never crossed my mind. I love the DOA and I am very glad it exists. Porsche owners can go to a neighborhood auto parts store to chat about their cars and buy a Porsche key chain. They can find an annual Porsche meet in any major city. Without the DOA I would have no magazine with beautiful DeLorean pictures on my coffee table, no annual DeLorean convention, and no DeLorean key chain! I like the DOA just the way it is. - -Mike Substelny ------------------------------ From: email@example.com Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Replacing a right rear quarter Anyone have any tips to pass on regarding replacing a quarter? That's my weekend project, am I being optimistic or not? The manuals make it look pretty straght-forward, but I'm wondering if there is anything I should look for, particularly in the rear facia area. Anyone? James ------------------------------ From: Blarness@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 11:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New Replacement OIL Filter ! This may be old news to some but I just found that Purolator Oil Filters references the 1981-83 Delorean DMC12 2.8L V6 in their 1996 filter book. The Purolator part # was: 10018. It was on the shelf for $3.99. They also had air and fuel filter #'s. Go fig... - -C2 #3876 ------------------------------ From: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Replacing a right rear quarter >Anyone have any tips to pass on regarding replacing a quarter? That's my >weekend project, am I being optimistic or not? The manuals make it look >pretty straght-forward, but I'm wondering if there is anything I should >look for, particularly in the rear facia area. Anyone? James: One thing I found recently while cleaning my light circuit boards and replacing the assembly screws in the rear fascia is that the rubber fascia has a tendency to deform or slip lower than normal. This made it much tougher to get the screws to line back up with the holes to reinstall the light boards. This happened with only one side disassembled. Also, I noticed that there are threaded metal "squares" which the screws from the light assemblies thread through. If the wrong thread type is used with new screws, these squares can start to twist around in the rubber fascia. Lesson here is to be patient and careful. It also never hurts to have an extra hand of pairs handy JUST IN CASE. ~ Chase ------------------------------ From: email@example.com Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Check your Belts! / BTTF Delorean Hi again, Just got back from a 2 week vacation. Went to Vegas, and Los Angeles. While in LA I went to Universal Studios and noticed a few things. There is a special effects show (next to Backdraft) that includes scenes from BTTF. They have 2 model DeLoreans. One a bit smaller than the real car, and a perfect "Robotic" miniature one. What really surprised me was the 3'rd one. They used it to film the scenes inside the car. This looks like a real delorean with the nose removed. When the kids got in it for the demo, the doors closed and sounded just like the real thing. I am sure this is just a cut up Delorean. What a shame!! Later, we were walking past the kiddie play area. Behind it there was a nice view of the valley, so I figured I would go over and check it out. As I got closer I noticed a BTTF looking Delorean with a real California licence plate on it. As I got closer a employe told me it was a restricted area, and I could not look at the car. Oh well! What a bummer. There is a Doc Brown guy running around the park, so I guess he drives the car when the park is less crowded (like the blues brothers drive their car...) Or maybe not! So, anyway.... I got back from vacation, and wanted to take the DeLorean out last night. Pulled out of the garage, and took off. less than 1/4 mile from the house I head a terrible noise that sounded like the a bearing. I opened the engine compartment and saw that the belt shredded. I turned around and went home. The entire ride was less that 2 minutes, but when I got home there was antifreeze leaking out, and it was obvious the engine was overheating (Water pump/alternator belt broke). Stupid me went and opened the radiator cap to relieve the pressure. I did not want to damage any of the cooling components with the high pressure. I thought the cap may not be releasing the pressure as it was designed. There was no fluid left in the bottle (plastic) so I figured it would be ok.. Well, I was wrong! I had Yellowstone park in my garage! Learn from my stupidity! (BTW, don't drive to far without a waterpump!) Marc ------------------------------ From: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: DOA I Write: >this. Ya, most have dues and charge for some things, but once It's out, no >one cares if the information is passed on! James Writes: >Is that really fair to the rest of the members of the organization, to >have one person pay for something and then pass it on to all their >buddies? It's just like software, if you "bum" copies off your friends, >where is the motivation to create greater and better stuff? The motivation should be to preserve the Delorean (as you say) and share information with other DeLorean owners. Most if not all of the members of this mailing list share what their experiences and information with the rest of the group for free. What is the motivation? If the DOA was being run by the same motivation there would be a fair annual fee to be a member, and all of the publications of information would be sent for no additional charge. I realize it cost money to run such a operation, but if the board members are working in their spare time for the love of the car and benefit of the owners, cost should be minimal. I must admit, I don't know if the board members are paid, I don't know what the annual fee is, and I don't know what the DOA gives it's members (in detail). 3 years ago when I purchased my Delorean all of the owners in the NY/NJ area that I spoke with had nothing nice to say about the DOA. I joined a local club that for political reasons left the national DOA (some tax argument that I am sure most DOA people know about). The local club sends me small newsletters that include items of interest, and a repair tip or two. Not the greatest thing in the word, but I am not nickel and dime to death! I Write: >Wow.... I am guilty of doing what I hate to see!! I guess you should reply >to me through e-mail if you want so we don't waste too much space on the >list! James Writes: >If it's a waste of space, why did YOU bother? Criticize in public, but >defend/respond in private, huh? Don't get me wrong, but if you're going >to denigrate ANYTHING/ANYONE in public, don't you think they deserve the >right to respond in public as well? You are correct. I was just trying to save space if there was no interest. Anyone is free to respond any way they like. James Writes: >There are several board members who subscribe to this list, some >participate and some lurk. Perhaps because I am so new to the board, I >feel a responsibility to respond to these "attacks" because I see the >work that goes into creating these products, organizing the expo, >producing DeLorean World, maintaining a web site and promoting the marque >in general. The goal is to preserve the DeLorean, pure and simple. Organization of the expo should not be done with DOA funds. This should be done with the fees collected from the people who will be going to the expo. It is not fair to charge all members for a event they have no interest in. DeLorean World? That's a magazine, right? I have never seen one, but I assume that many of the DeLorean mechanics and part suppliers advertise in this magazine. This should reduce if not eliminate the cost of production. Maintaining the web site is no big deal. I have not looked at it in a while, maybe I should! Maybe the service provider is ripping the DOA off? If the page is getting enough hits to require a more expensive service package from the provider, then there are enough hits to sell some advertising space and again offset the cost to the DOA. Why does the DOA need to promote anything? If the organization is non-profit, there is no benefit to adding members. DeLorean owners really don't have too many sources of parts and information. Sooner or later (usually sooner) they will run across someone who tells them about the DOA if they are not interested in looking themselves. James Writes: >BTW, none of this is personal against you, Mike, just my response as a >member, chapter coordinator and board member of the Association. Nothing personal at all.. Just a discussion of opinions. Marc email@example.com ------------------------------ From: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Stainless Body Work Several years ago a shopping cart rolled into the right front fender of my '82 DMC. It left about a one inch long ding in the fender, no broken skin, but just an annoying blemish. I've heard it's easy to remove body panels but have no experience in this process. Assuming I can get access to the back of the panel can I bang out the ding or am I just going to make the problem worse? Any help out there? Tom (Silver Bullit) ------------------------------ From: HBreer@ix.netcom.com Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: New Replacement OIL Filter ! Blarness@aol.com wrote: > > This may be old news to some but I just > found that Purolator Oil Filters references > the 1981-83 Delorean DMC12 2.8L V6 > in their 1996 filter book. > > The Purolator part # was: 10018. > > It was on the shelf for $3.99. > They also had air and fuel filter #'s. > Go fig... > > -C2 > #3876 I suggest that you invest $3.99 in the Purolator filter and take a hacksaw and cut it open. Then do the same to the recommended oil filter. Take a look at what you find inside each. Then decide which filter you want to use to protect the engine of your $20,000+ automobile. I believe an oil filter from Delorean One is about $15.00. I assume the other suppliers charge about the same. You would save $11.00 each time you changed your filter. Of course, you would have to do it over 450 times to save enough for a $5,000 engine rebuild. Your choice ... :>) Hank Breer DOA 4637 VIN 1141 ------------------------------ From: email@example.com Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: tires and handleing " Has anyone with new tires on their car noticed such a dramatic improvement over the originals?" Quite so! I just had my new yokahams put on yesterday. The improvement over the old no name P.O.S. cavaliers is almost obscene. I'm convinced there is at least a .1+ G increase in the car's skidpad. I should note that I'm writting this at 5:30 in the moring, just after putting the car through it's 4:00 A.M. paces, so I may be a little over enthusiastic. On another note, I've recently been having problems with the fuel system. I've allready redone the pump/acumulator system so I know it's not that. I also know it's not deterriorated rubber since I've had the car for a few years and It does not sit. Here's the problem. The first start of the day (First start, not cold start mind you) is an extremely hard start. The car will cough it's way up through 200 RPMs untill 800 RPMs with the help of the starter then take over on it's own. After that she purs like a kiten for the rest f the day at the slitest twitch of the ignition. Also on the first start she runs fine for the first 30 seconds. After 30 seconds the luging in Revs below 2300 is disgusting untill she starts to move her heat sensor the slightest amount. After the frst start of the day these problems vanish entirely. I've been told that I probably have bad gas in the filter. I just dumped a bottle of dry gas into the tank and put another thirty miles on her. Same problem at 4:00 A.M. this morning. Any sugestions? Damien Falato ------------------------------ From: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: Custom Plates Mike, I don't think most people would get the BARE SS plate. The DeLorean people might get it or someone who was paying attention to the car but I think human nature would prevail. Actually, I had to think about it myself! ;) For those of you who don't get it yet, put an A before the SS and you'll see what I mean. Sorry for being so crude but I just couldn't resist. :) - --Rob Hook ------------------------------ From: SUBSTEM@cesmtp.ccf.org Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: A DeLorean History Quandry I hate to put this issue into an open forum, but I need some feedback today. It involves John DeLorean's arrest. My information is quite clear in stating that John was arrested, with drugs in his possession, by US officials. I am also fairly certain that the "drugs in the doors of DeLorean cars" is just a humorous rumor. However, the Questions About DeLorean Motorcars section on The DeLorean Home Page written by Knut Grimsrud says that drugs were smuggled ". . . apparently in the doors of the cars." No offense, Knut, but I think (hope) this is incorrect. It makes a big difference which story the public hears. People who hear the "busted with drugs" story sometimes ridicule John DeLorean for making a naive mistake, but that's about all. People who hear the "drugs in doors" story ridicule the car, claiming John DeLorean never cared if the car was any good or not, they were just a front for his massive drug cartel. This devalues our DeLorean automobiles. Am I wrong when I say no cars, nor other DMC employees were involved? Am I wrong when I say the "door" scandal hurts the value of the cars? Am I wrong to be embarrassed at the thought of John DeLorean reading that on the web? This weekend I plan to debut a sign debunking the "drugs in doors" rumor at a major car show here. I will be showing my car along with others from the DOA Chapter 23 group. Could some of you please give me a little feedback? If there were drugs in the doors then I won't show the sign. If there weren't drugs in the doors, I will request that the Questions page be changed. - -Mike Substelny ------------------------------ From: Don_Gowler-CFPO01@email.mot.com Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Front end lowering Message authorized by: : Knut.S.Grimsrud@facteur.std.com@INTERNET at #EMAIL : Knut_S_Grimsrud@ccm.jf.intel.com@INTERNET at #EMAIL I personally did my own DeLorean lowering. I would suggest you cut off 2 complete rings from the bottom. Grind about 1/2 of the cut end so it is flat and parallel to the top rings. Facing the wheel well position the cut end at the 7:00 o'clock (AM or PM) position in it's resting spot. So on the left, drivers, side it points somewhat forward and on the passenger side it points somewhat backwards. Don't forget that you may also want to change shocks - see my earlier E-Mail. Also, if you are going to also lower the back you may want to try what I did. Have a machine shop carefully cut a new groove in the shock about 1 and 1/2 inches below the old cut and just reassemble it. No change in ride dynamics as you don't cut the spring and it's lower, which looks much better. Also remember you need to cut away a little of the aluminum guard underneath as the drive train will rub it when lowered. Best of luck, The Silver Fox ___________________________________________________________________________ ____ Subject: Front end lowering Knut Grimsrud DOA Chapter 41 Snipits of what Knut was asking follow; >If one cuts a winding off the spring, then it will no longer sit flat in its seat, and even if one grinds the sharp end off the cut a bit, > Also, I anticipated taking one winding's worth of height out of the spring (I hope to lower about 1.5-2"), > How much is usually cut off the spring? >Should the spring be cut at the top (so that the isolator pad covers the cut end) or at the bottom (so the cut end sits directly in the lower seat). Should the spring be rotated so that the cut part sits at the inner portion of the seat or the outer? ------------------------------ From: email@example.com Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: DeLorean Photo Gallery To fill the void left when Dave Takeuchi's web page went "down", the DeLorean Owners Association Web page will be maintaining a "DeLorean Photo Gallery" with photos of different DeLoreans. If anyone has a photo they would like to add, feel free to email them to "firstname.lastname@example.org". We will be formally launching this page the first of next week, so look for the announcement here. James Espey DOA Web-Guy ------------------------------ From: Don_Gowler-CFPO01@email.mot.com Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Back from the games >Message authorized by: > : SCiszek@aol.com@INTERNET at #EMAIL > >Scott Ciszek wrote; >Does anyone know where I could obtain any grey colored interior >pieces. I have the black interior and as doing a complete interior >overhaul would be a monstrous task as well as an expensive one, >I am thinking about doing a du-tone interior. Possibly replacing >the black center console, armrests, and knee pads with matching >grey ones. Any information would be much appreciated. _____________________ I do have brand new original grey seat covers if your interested. (847) 435-3733 The Silver Fox ------------------------------ From: email@example.com Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: New Replacement OIL Filter ! Hank Breer writes: > I suggest that you invest $3.99 in the Purolator filter and take a hacksaw > and cut it open. Then do the same to the recommended oil filter. Take a > look at what you find inside each. > > Then decide which filter you want to use to protect the engine of your > $20,000+ automobile. > > I believe an oil filter from Delorean One is about $15.00. I assume the > other suppliers charge about the same. You would save $11.00 each time you > changed your filter. Of course, you would have to do it over 450 times > to save enough for a $5,000 engine rebuild. Your choice ... :>) I have always found Purolator filters to be fine if you change your oil at recommended intervals. However the last time I bought one for a DeLorean it didn't fit. The diameter is just enough oversize to not clear the oil pressure sending unit. My suggestion is to visit your local Volvo dealer and buy a filter for a B28F engine. Each filter comes with a new washer for the drain plug and it fits. It's also a very good quality filter and you won't be paying D1s' rediculous prices. Chris ------------------------------ From: SUBSTEM@cesmtp.ccf.org Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: License plate jokes Rob! Where you been, buddy? Long time no post! Do you still come to Cleveland now and then? Gimme a call! The BARE SS joke was purely intentional, you know. I can be kinduva rascal. The Ohio custom plate request forms states: "Inappropriate requests will not be granted." I am 99% certain that Ohio would have refused to make a plate that said BARE SS. But if someone did get away with it, they would have the funniest six letter plate a DeLorean can get! Actually, Ohio allows two half-spaces on a six letter plate, so I might have gotten away with: BARE S S. Anyone else may feel free to use it, if they like. My favorite is still: A BARE 1 The great State of Ohio says it will take three weeks to make my TIMELES custom plate. In the mean time, they cancelled my old plates and gave me a paper tag that says TIMELES with the instructions "display this tag inside your rear window until your license plate arrives by mail." What a joke! As long as my sunshade louver is in place the paper tag is totally invisible! If I remove the old plate it looks like I have no plates at all, a sure way to get pulled over every half mile in Ohio. So I also left the old plates on for now. Of course, now I am displaying plates that are both expired and cancelled . . . - - Mike "Public Enemy #1" Substelny ------------------------------ End of dmcnews-digest V2 #152 *****************************
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