DeLorean Mailing List - 08/13/96

Tuesday, 13 August 1996      Volume 02 : Number 153

       In this issue:
        Expo '96 Hotel reservations
        Re: Stainless Body Work
        DeLorean busted
        RE: DOA, and non-profit orgs.
        False Alarm and DOA Expo
        OUTATIME licence plates
        re: Wet Battery; Using your car in a movie
        (U) DOA
        (U) Replacing Rear Quarter
        Facia Color/Colors???


Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 12:35:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Expo '96 Hotel reservations

The deadline for Expo '96 room reservations at the Opryland Hotel was July
29. However, I  have been assured by the hotel that as long as they have
space available, Expo attendees will be given the group rate when they 
reservations. Just be sure to let them know you are attending the DeLorean
Owners Association Expo when you call. This is good news for all those
procrastinators out there.

Linda Porter
Activity Director, DeLorean Owners Association


Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 12:38:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Stainless Body Work

At 01:09 PM 8/8/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Several years ago a shopping cart rolled into the right front fender of 
>my '82 DMC.  It left about a one inch long ding in the fender, no broken 
>skin, but just an annoying blemish.  I've heard it's easy to remove body 
>panels but have no experience in this process.  Assuming I can get access 
>to the back of the panel can I bang out the ding or am I just going to 
>make the problem worse?  Any help out there?
>Tom  (Silver Bullit)
- -------------------------------------------divider

Don't even think about it ! Repairing stainless steel requires a repair 
with lots of SS repair experience. If you are in the New York metro area
e-mail me and I'll give you the name of a shop that did excellent work on 
left rear panel and front left fender and front fascia.
Best regards,

Marv  Sterling


Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:29:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: DeLorean busted writes:

> However, the Questions About DeLorean Motorcars section
> on The DeLorean Home Page written by Knut Grimsrud says
> that drugs were smuggled ". . . apparently in the doors of the
> cars."  No offense, Knut, but I think (hope) this is
> incorrect.

You are correct that neither the cars, nor the company, nor the 
man had anything to do with the movement of drugs. The drugs in 
the cars bit is total folklore. The charges resulting from the 
sting operation I believe were related to conspiracy of money 
laundering. I'm sorry such nonsense appears in the old FAQ which 
clearly is in need of update.

Although John Z was arrested with drugs in the hotel room where 
he was meeting undercover agents (there is an infamous video 
documenting the arrest), John had nothing to do with the 
transportation of the substance. In a strange twist, it appears 
that John was not even using his own money to do the supposed 
laundering, but monies put up for him by the DEA as part of the 
sting operation. There are several books devoted to the topic, 
of which John's biography details his side of the story. Also 
James Espy has been selling some books with the transcripts from 
the wiretaps that also detail some of the story.

My apologies for the gibberish. This will be corrected when the 
page actually comes back online after Dave Takeuchi's 
unfortunate loss of service. I understand he is in the process 
of re-building the DeLorean Homepage, but in the meantime there 
is a lot of stale fragments floating around.

                                        Knut Grimsrud
                                        DOA Chapter 41


Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:29:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: DOA, and non-profit orgs.

First of all, i'm not a DOA member. Reason being I don't own a DMC, but I 
do like the car, and am glad I can contribute something of value to 
now and then. 

But I have been involved in the start-up and operation of several 
non-profit organisations over the years. They are/were aviation related 
groups that ranged from type clubs for certain aircraft to full-blown 
flying museums with a whole fleet of classic aircraft that make the 
on the airshow circuit.

What do aircraft have to do with cars? Well, it's a labor of love to 
operate and maintain a piece of machinery that is close to your heart. 
love of cars and aircraft seems to run along a common line. Sometimes we 
get a bit of a funny idea in our mind that it would be a good idea to 
a organisation to bring us all together.

This is a dangerous idea because it sounds so simple. 

It is no small feat to start and maintain a successful organisation. The 
most surprising thing to me was the amount of flak I have received for 
trying grow some organisations. It is a thankless job that will consume 
much more time and (out of your OWN pocket) money than you ever thought 

I see the DOA (an unfortunate acronym) falling into the same area. There 
are those that believe that somehow the DOA has not, or will not meet the 
needs of certain folks. That's fine. This is a common occurrence with ANY 

If you are a member of an organisation that, in your view, is not meeting 
the needs of its members, make your voice heard to the folks that run it 
and offer CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Be prepared to offer your own sweat 
equity to remedy the problem.

In other words; Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of the Way.

Just in case you are wondering what I am up to right now, check out:

Eric Friedebach


Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 13:32:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: False Alarm and DOA Expo

OK, so I am paranoid when it comes to British cars and unusual things
happening with it. Turns out neither the alternator or battery are going
bad in my car. My dimming electrical problems were a combination of a
slightly loose alternator belt and the fact that I didn't tighten the
battery cables down snug the last time I had it out of the compartment.
BTW, when it rains I get a shallow layer of water in the battery well. Is
this common or fixable?

As far as getting to the DOA Convention in Nashville goes... This month 
been extremely busy so far and due to conflicts with work-related
activities that weekend, as well as my 10-year high-school class reunion,
it looks like I won't be making it to this one.

And I have begun to take a new approach to little repairs/updates to my
DeLorean. I've noticed that everytime I fix one annoying thing, two more
things break down. So for now, I am going to avoid tinkering with anything
and see what happens. I'll just keep the car clean and maybe that will be
enough to keep it happy and running until fall arrives with cooler
temperatures that are more conducive to tinkering.

See you all NEXT year I guess. Sorry! :(

~ Chase


Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 20:08:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: OUTATIME licence plates

If anyone wants a cheap way of getting a custom OUTATIME license plate, 
go to a local mall. I found a plastic plate engraver at one of the
Roanoke,VA malls. They had a California plate and engraved a blue OUTATIME
on it. I was impressed since it only cost $18.00. I also got a keychain 
same way.

Scott Tester


From: Mike Substelny,
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 10:42:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: re: Wet Battery; Using your car in a movie

Chase asked:
>BTW, when it rains I get a shallow layer of water in the
>battery well. Is this common or fixable?

I have never seen water in my battery well, and I have
actually looked in my battery well on many rainy days.  I
have no idea how to repair yours, since I don't know what is
wrong with your car.

I just got back from "Wings & Wheels," a huge car / airplane
show sponsored by the Crawford Museum here in Cleveland. 
The DOA turnout was good, and naturally the cars drew quite
a crowd.  I won't take up too much space here talking about
the excellent cars and airplanes, but I will relate one quick
story.  I found out a blue Tucker car used in the movie
"Tucker: The Man and His Dream" is just down the street
from my house!  The owner had a bad story to tell about the
producers of the movie, who had been expressly told not to
drive the car over five miles an hour.  Well, due to a
paperwork snafu the movie company instead used this car in
the chase scene!  The car was badly damaged several times
as well as vandalized (they removed the back seat for one
shot; the seat was then lost for a few months).  The movie
company never completely repaired all the damage.

The owner warned me that someday someone is bound to
make a movie about John DeLorean, and they'll ask DOA
members to loan them lots of cars.  He told me it was great
to have your car in a movie, but ALWAYS insist on driving it
yourself for every shot.  Most Tucker owners had insisted on
that and THEY were all very happy with the movie, and their
cars were not used in any high speed chases.

- -Mike Substelny


Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:29:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Springs

 Would someone please measure the diameter of the stock used to make 
the windings of the springs? Front and rear, please.
 My suspicion is that my car was lowered using the method described 
in SSI. 
 Before I order all four springs I'd like to know if I really need 
 Thanks in advance,



From: magriese@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:30:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: (U) DOA

From: Michael A. Griese  RCHVMP3(MAGRIESE)  T/L 553-1853
2C6/114-2  Rochester, MN

Subject: (U) DOA

For What It's Worth Dept.

One of the original charters of the DeLorean Owners Association
was to use some of the proceeds from dues and whatnot to
remanufacture parts that had no second source.  Has this
actually happened and is this still part of the charter?

Mike Griese, Subsystem Development
Absolutely NO Open System software required!


From: magriese@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:30:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: (U) Replacing Rear Quarter

From: Michael A. Griese  RCHVMP3(MAGRIESE)  T/L 553-1853
2C6/114-2  Rochester, MN

Subject: (U) Replacing Rear Quarter
It's probably too late, but I would consider replacing the weather
strip along the quarter, as long as you have to remove the old
stuff anyway.  It's a lot easier than trying to clean the old
adhesive off of the original rubber.  Use good adhesives to
reattach the weatherstrip and the side molding (I like 3M
weatherstrip adhesive and trim/emblem adhesive).  The gasket
between the stainless and the side marker lamp will probably
crumble when you take the lamp out of your old panel (assuming you
aren't replacing it as well).  You can make a new one easily

I suspect you'll need to spend a lot of time with a blending pad,
especially if the panel you are installing is new.  For that reason
you might want to wait before reinstalling the weatherstrip, and
you might want to remove the molding on the door as well.

Mike Griese, Subsystem Development
Absolutely NO Open System software required!


Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 02:15:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Facia Color/Colors???

Does someone have information on the correct paint codes for refinishing 
front and rear facias? Aren't there two different colors depending on the
vehicle serial numbers? Any help appreciated.



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