Friday, 16 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 155 In this issue: Re: DeLorean not welcome in New Hope? Poor Ventilation Another new book w/DeLorean content Re: Poor Ventilation Re: Chrysler minivan seals Re: Door seals Re: Matching Door Seals VIN 15xx DeLoreans DMC-News, One Year Later... Parts needed... Support the list - Part #1 Finally it's mine! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marvin S.Sterling, marv930(AT)ix.netcom.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: DeLorean not welcome in New Hope? At 04:51 PM 8/14/96 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >A Co-Worker just left me the front page of the 8/8/96 Intelligencer >Record (Central Buck Edition). > >The front page article includes a picture of Aldo Buono with his DeLorean. > Reading the article, it looks like the organizers of the New Hope Auto >Show do not feel the DeLorean is Exotic, and have told the members of the club >that our beloved Stainless Steel car is no welcome at their show! > >The article goes on to say that Buono claims he has attended the show >past years, but this year the new hope show is trying to "Upgrade" the >character of the show. > >Well, The show was last weekend.. Anyone know what happened? I feel so >Dised! Delorean is now down with the common muscle cars of the 60's and >70's! Dont get me wrong, I own a 66 mustang and love it, but it's no >DeLorean! > >Marc - ----------------------------divider Marc: Who cares about New Hope. We own a limited edition of a "classic" and possibly antique car ( by some definitions) When you realize that we own one of about 10,000 such cars in the world who cares what anyone else thinks, wonder if a little envy isn't involved. Hang in there ! Marv Sterling ------------------------------ From: magriese(AT)VNET.IBM.COM Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Poor Ventilation A couple of issues back, some owners were discussing poor ventilation. I used to think I didn't suffer from this until I had to remove the radio. I found that there was a two inch gap between the plenum and the center vents. This did not seem right, as most of the air from the plenum would be blowing into the dashboard instead of the vents. I called John Truscott at the DeLorean Owners Association. He told me that there should be two rubber boots that extend the plenum to the vents. They are difficult to install and were probably left off when the radio was removed at an earlier time. Replacing the boots made a tremendous difference in the amount of air out of not only the center vents, but the door vents as well. What makes the boots difficult to install is their shape. They are kind of mashed, either from the way they are made or from the way they are stored. I made a wire frame for the inside of the boots to give them a better shape. This made it much easier to slip them over the plenum openings and to slip the center vent assembly back into position. Darryl at Specialty Auto has them in stock. (360)786-0243. Mike Griese magriese(AT)vnet.ibm.com ------------------------------ From: mikasa(AT)goodnet.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Another new book w/DeLorean content This note was sent to me by Ian Foster (101664.2431(AT)compuserve.com) of Hong Kong: > "Motor Makers in Ireland" by John Moore > 1st. published in 1982 by The Blackstaff Press Ltd. > Republished 1995 > ISBN 0-85640-264-8 > >The cost is marked as GBP14.95 on the inside cover, I paid GBP8.00 at a 'Bargain >Book' centre in Belfast. There were quite a few pristine copies left. > >It is a 24 x 18 cm sized book with 10 sides devoted to the history of John D. and >the DMC. It has interesting photos of the production line. The cover shows the front >of an open doored DMC (with N.Ireland Registration plates) against a wooded backdrop. I have my European contacts looking for it and will let the list know if I can get my hands on some. James ------------------------------ From: mikasa(AT)goodnet.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Poor Ventilation >until I had to remove the radio. I found that there was >a two inch gap between the plenum and the center vents. >This did not seem right, as most of the air from the plenum >would be blowing into the dashboard instead of the vents. >I called John Truscott at the DeLorean Owners Association. >He told me that there should be two rubber boots that extend >the plenum to the vents. They are difficult to install and >were probably left off when the radio was removed at an >earlier time. Replacing the boots made a tremendous difference >in the amount of air out of not only the center vents, but >the door vents as well. Yes! I had this problem also when I thought my ventilation from the center vents was poor - and upon removing the radio I noticed this same gap. >What makes the boots difficult to install is their shape. >They are kind of mashed, either from the way they are made >or from the way they are stored. I made a wire frame for >the inside of the boots to give them a better shape. This >made it much easier to slip them over the plenum openings >and to slip the center vent assembly back into position. Instead of buying boots, I used some clear transparency plastic (like for making overhead presentation transparencies) and "rolled" them into the right shape to fit snugly on the plenum and vent. Airflow is MUCH improved! James ------------------------------ From: Knut_S_Grimsrud(AT)ccm.jf.intel.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Chrysler minivan seals todd(AT)bi-tech.com writes: > I've heard it mentioned that a Chrysler minivan rear hatch seal > is identical to a DeLorean door seal. Has anyone confirmed this? > I'm interested in replacing a door seal, but I can't get one from > Chrysler without knowing the specific model and year of minivan. > Anybody know this valuable information? I am currently using the Chrysler minivan rear door seals on my car. They are NOT identical to the original DMC seals -- the profile is the same, but the "weep" holes are on the wrong side of the profile. If you check your seals you will see that on the backsize of them there is a small hole every 4 inches (give or take). On the Chrysler seal these holes appear on the front side of the seal instead of the backside. The seals work fine aside from the slight astethic difference. My experience with them is that they get soft when the sun bakes on the roof of the car and they tear easily around the bend near the top of the A post. My recollection is that I paid about $60 each for the seals, and at that price they are disposable. Installation is easy and obvious. I don't have the minivan model number handy as I am at work -- someone else likely knows it off the top of their head. Incidentally, I have heard that there is a new Ford minivan seal that_is_ an exact match of the DeLorean seal with the weep holes on the right side, but have no experience with it nor do I have any specific information on it. Knut Grimsrud DOA Chapter 41 ------------------------------ From: SCiszek(AT)aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Door seals >I've heard it mentioned that a Chrysler minivan rear hatch seal is >identical to a DeLorean door seal. Has anyone confirmed this? I'm >interested in replacing a door seal, but I can't get one from Chrysler >without knowing the specific model and year of minivan. Anybody know this >valuable information? Any year Dodge Caravan or Pylmouth Voyager rear door seal is acceptable, pick any one you like. -Scott Ciszek ------------------------------ From: stormrider(AT)socketis.net Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Matching Door Seals Considering the discussion on door seals here the last few days, I thought I would throw my two cents in as well. My 1981 may have the original seals still. They are thick and robust compared to the seals on another DeLorean that I had the opportunity to see last month. The seals on the other one had been replaced with a flimsy rubber seal off another vehicle (possibly minivan seals?) and did not look as sharp or possibly even as watertight. Thsi is just my opinion. I'll contact the other owner to see if he would like to voice his opinion also. ~ Chase ------------------------------ From: stormrider(AT)socketis.net Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: VIN 15xx DeLoreans Hey, I was just curious how many people on this list have 1981 DeLoreans in the VIN 1500 to 1599 range? I know of at least three people, including myself (#1529), so far. This range of 100 cars (if 100 were built) seems to have survived fairly nicely considering their representation on the mailing list. ~ Chase ------------------------------ From: James Espey, mikasa(AT)goodnet.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: DMC-News, One Year Later... August 16th marks the first anniversary of the DeLorean Mailing List. The first issue (http://www.goodnet.com/~mikasa/dml001.html) went out to just 10 subscribers. One year and 154 issues later we have 277 subscribers to both the "live" and "digest" versions of the list. The DeLorean Mailing List will never be as big as some of the other auto-related lists out there, but I think by and large we have more depth and breadth in our content than any other list out there I've seen. That's a credit to you, the subscribers and contributors to DMC-News. As I look back over the past year, and it's been a rather eventful one for me, the one thing that I could always count on being there (whether I liked it or not, though most times I did) was the mailing list. I'm looking forward to meeting some of the participants at the Expo later this month in Nashville, as I did last year in Las Vegas. Thanks to all of you for the fun (and the occasional frustration) that this list has given me. I hope that each of you, in some way, gets something useful out of it also. James Espey, Moderator DMC-News, The DeLorean Mailing List ------------------------------ From: James Espey, mikasa(AT)goodnet.com Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Parts needed... I'm looking for the following parts - if you have any of these to sell, please email me with your asking price. Thanks! P/N Qty Description Parts Manual Page/Item # 106356 1 Engine Cover Sliding Block 8-4-4/10 106115 1 Unicap M4 8-3-0/27 108738 4 Cap, Wheel Emblem 6-5-0/6 (black w/silver DMC) 110520 1 Fusebox Cover 3-7-4/2 101638 1 Heated Rer Window Switch 3-6-2/27 100790 1 Rear Side Marker Lens 3-5-1/1 108120 1 Battery Strap w/buckle 3-1-0/11 108200 1 Muffler Bracket RH TOP 1-5-0/28 I'm only interested in original parts, so even though most of the DeLorean shops market a stronger, improved muffler bracket (for example), I'd rather have an original. Thanks! James ------------------------------ From: mikasa(AT)goodnet.com Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Support the list - Part #1 About once a week or so, a subscriber emails me just to say thanks for putting this list together. More often that not, that person has found something in the back issues that has helped them out, or sometimes it's just someone with a passion for the DeLorean, but not the ability to own one, and this list brings them a little closer to the car. Most of us can relate to that, I think. Many times that person will ask if there is a way they can compensate me for this, and I always say "No, this list is the work of many people, not just me". I often jokingly ask if they have a sister who might like to learn how to polish stainless, but that's a whole other subject. ;) Coming next week, there'll be a way ANYONE can support the list, and get a really nice DeLorean item in the process. Watch this space for details... James Espey Moderator, DMC-News ------------------------------ From: Mpeak(AT)aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Finally it's mine! Now that I finally have an e-mail account other than that from my school, I am very happy to be back on the mailing list. After four years of deep yearning, I am pleased to announce that as of friday 8/9, I am the proud new owner of VIN #4428, a 1981 beauty in near show car condition, less than 10,000 one owner miles, original NCT's, and non-cracking leather. I am extremely happy about my new car especially since I have been such an extreme enthusiast for quite a long time. I do have to admit that I have this car (especially in this condition) much sooner in my life than I thought I would. But I've been working hard for quite some time and prices out here in California (once negotiations begin) are much lower than I expected. In my search for a Delorean in the past four monthes, I have seen four cars. One was used and slightly abused for under 9k. Another was rarely used and not abused for 10k. And then there were the two that I was deciding between. One was a 1983 with 17k miles, always garaged and covered, custom sunshades, all records, slight leather and interior wear which I could have obtained for under $11,000. And then there was mine with almost no cosmetic defects and extremely low miles which I bought, after three monthes of negotiations and low-balling, for $12,000 (he was asking $16,500). I chose the '81 over the '83 because I have a passion for the '81's and due to the extra pampering and attention to detail the car had received over the '83. Because I did this, though, I realize that I will have more problems than I would have had with the '83, but this is one of the things that attracted me to the '81. My first couple of problems actually have already occurred and I was wondering if I could get some advice from other owners out there. First of all, I am concerned about fuel contamination. The car was barely driven and has spent much time stored. The owner said that the car never had more than half of a tank while being stored but I want to find out if the car is safe to drive without damaging the fuel system. Any suggestions on how to do it and what to do if there is contamination? Are there any other problems I should definately fix on the car (problems that cause damage to the car, not reliability problems) before driving it? I was looking through the engine on the car and noticed the car has an 80amp Ducillier alternator. Sombody correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the early '81's came with a 65 amp Ducillier. Did DMC replace the 65 amp with an 80 amp Ducillier? Is the 80 amp as faulty as the 65 amp (or is the 80 amp the only faulty one)? A big problem I am having with the car is keeping the cabin cool. The car is out of freon (I have a can but nobody will install it), the middle two vents don't work, the two windows don't roll down (I think cable snapped because I hear motor noises when I press the buttons. Do I need to replace motor and cables or only cables?) Does anybody know why the middle two vents don't work? Also, every once in a while the air fans just stop for a couple of seconds, sometimes minutes, then it goes back on again by itself. Any suggestions on solving these problems would be greatly appreciated. Another minor inconvience is the material over the driver seat droops and rubs me on the head. Any temporary suggestions for keeping this out of the way? Where and how much does it cost to have it reglued? Currently I am taking summer auto shop classes at a nearby community college. Last night I had the opportunity to conduct a manifold vacuum test, which the car passed flawlessly, and part of a compression test but ran into difficulties when I couldn't find the distributor power source (nothing a little time and familiarity won't cure). The funny thing about taking the car into the shop is the amount of attention it gets. Now I had heard from other owners on the mailing list stories about heads being turned, but it is very wierd having it happen to me. Students from my class, students from other classes, and instructors alike each took their turn inspecting the car and staring at the engine and interior. Many people ask me how I can afford this. "Don't these run about $50,000?" (One person I was talking to on the street thought they were over $100k!!!) An especially funny reacurring event occurred because I had the licence plate and black plastic frame off the car (I washed the car earlier in the day). People who were unfamiliar with the car would ask "what kind of car is this?" "A Delorean," I would respond. After a couple of seconds of silence they would follow up with "is it new?" "No," I would respond." It's fifteen years old. Although I take this compliment to be a compliment to my particular car's condition, I also think it reflects how well the car has held up over time. Guigiaro's styling is absolutely beautiful and competes with exotics of today. The styling and ergonomics of the car not only were ahead of their time in '81, but I feel they are unsurpassed even today. There is no other interior of any other car for which I feel is as comfortable and pleasurable as the Delorean's. One other comment which I liked was from a British student who had just moved here five monthes ago. "Wow," he said in a harsh British accent. "Do you mind if I sit in it just so I can say I've sat in a Delorean? We don't see many of these in Britain" How ironic is it that many of the people that funded the car have never seen one? One last question (for now)I would like to ask other owners is where do you buy your parts from? Which shop do you find has most knowledgable and courteous assistance, superior product quality, value, etc.? Thanks in advance to everyone who responds and I am sure as I learn more about the car I will be able to do the same for you. Matt Peak Mpeak(AT)aol.com ------------------------------ End of dmcnews-digest V2 #155 *****************************
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