DeLorean Mailing List - 08/16/96


Friday, 16 August 1996       Volume 02 : Number 155

       In this issue:
        Re: DeLorean not welcome in New Hope?
        Poor Ventilation
        Another new book w/DeLorean content
        Re: Poor Ventilation
        Re: Chrysler minivan seals
        Re: Door seals
        Re: Matching Door Seals
        VIN 15xx DeLoreans
        DMC-News, One Year Later...
        Parts needed...
        Support the list - Part #1
        Finally it's mine!

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From: Marvin S.Sterling, marv930(AT)ix.netcom.com
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:29:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: DeLorean not welcome in New Hope?

At 04:51 PM 8/14/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>A Co-Worker just left me the front page of the 8/8/96 Intelligencer 
>Record (Central Buck Edition).
>
>The front page article includes a picture of Aldo Buono with his DeLorean. 
> Reading the article, it looks like the organizers of the New Hope Auto 
>Show do not feel the DeLorean is Exotic, and have told the members of the 
club 
>that our beloved Stainless Steel car is no welcome at their show!
>
>The article goes on to say that Buono claims he has attended the show 
>past years, but this year the new hope show is trying to "Upgrade" the 
>character of the show.
>
>Well, The show was last weekend..  Anyone know what happened?  I feel so 
>Dised!  Delorean is now down with the common muscle cars of the 60's and 
>70's!  Dont get me wrong, I own a 66 mustang and love it, but it's no 
>DeLorean!
>
>Marc
- ----------------------------divider

Marc:

Who cares about New Hope. We own a limited edition of a "classic" and
possibly antique car ( by some definitions)
When you realize that we own one of about 10,000 such cars in the world 
who
cares what anyone else thinks, wonder if a little envy isn't involved.
Hang in there !
Marv Sterling


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From: magriese(AT)VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:02:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Poor Ventilation

A couple of issues back, some owners were discussing poor
ventilation.   I used to think I didn't suffer from this
until I had to remove the radio.  I found that there was
a two inch gap between the plenum and the center vents.
This did not seem right, as most of the air from the plenum
would be blowing into the dashboard instead of the vents.
I called John Truscott at the DeLorean Owners Association.
He told me that there should be two rubber boots that extend
the plenum to the vents.  They are difficult to install and
were probably left off when the radio was removed at an
earlier time.  Replacing the boots made a tremendous difference
in the amount of air out of not only the center vents, but
the door vents as well.

What makes the boots difficult to install is their shape.
They are kind of mashed, either from the way they are made
or from the way they are stored.  I made a wire frame for
the inside of the boots to give them a better shape.  This
made it much easier to slip them over the plenum openings
and to slip the center vent assembly back into position.

Darryl at Specialty Auto has them in stock.  (360)786-0243.

Mike Griese
magriese(AT)vnet.ibm.com

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From: mikasa(AT)goodnet.com
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:29:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Another new book w/DeLorean content

This note was sent to me by Ian Foster (101664.2431(AT)compuserve.com) of 
Hong Kong:

>    "Motor Makers in Ireland"  by  John Moore
>    1st. published in 1982 by The Blackstaff Press Ltd.
>    Republished 1995
>    ISBN 0-85640-264-8 
>
>The cost is marked as GBP14.95 on the inside cover, I paid GBP8.00 at a 
'Bargain 
>Book' centre in Belfast. There were quite a few pristine copies left.
>
>It is a 24 x 18 cm sized book with 10 sides devoted to the history of John D. 
and 
>the DMC. It has interesting photos of the production line. The cover shows 
the front 
>of an open doored DMC (with N.Ireland Registration plates) against a wooded 
backdrop. 

I have my European contacts looking for it and will let the list know if 
I can get my hands on some.

James

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From: mikasa(AT)goodnet.com
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:29:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Poor Ventilation

>until I had to remove the radio.  I found that there was
>a two inch gap between the plenum and the center vents.
>This did not seem right, as most of the air from the plenum
>would be blowing into the dashboard instead of the vents.
>I called John Truscott at the DeLorean Owners Association.
>He told me that there should be two rubber boots that extend
>the plenum to the vents.  They are difficult to install and
>were probably left off when the radio was removed at an
>earlier time.  Replacing the boots made a tremendous difference
>in the amount of air out of not only the center vents, but
>the door vents as well.

Yes! I had this problem also when I thought my ventilation from the 
center vents was poor - and upon removing the radio I noticed this same 
gap.

>What makes the boots difficult to install is their shape.
>They are kind of mashed, either from the way they are made
>or from the way they are stored.  I made a wire frame for
>the inside of the boots to give them a better shape.  This
>made it much easier to slip them over the plenum openings
>and to slip the center vent assembly back into position.

Instead of buying boots, I used some clear transparency plastic (like for 
making overhead presentation transparencies) and "rolled" them into the 
right shape to fit snugly on the plenum and vent. Airflow is MUCH 
improved!

James

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From: Knut_S_Grimsrud(AT)ccm.jf.intel.com
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:30:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Chrysler minivan seals

todd(AT)bi-tech.com writes:

> I've heard it mentioned that a Chrysler minivan rear hatch seal
> is identical to a DeLorean door seal.  Has anyone confirmed this?
> I'm interested in replacing a door seal, but I can't get one from
> Chrysler without knowing the specific model and year of minivan.
> Anybody know this valuable information?

   I am currently using the Chrysler minivan rear door seals on my 
   car. They are NOT identical to the original DMC seals -- the 
   profile is the same, but the "weep" holes are on the wrong side of 
   the profile. If you check your seals you will see that on the 
   backsize of them there is a small hole every 4 inches (give or 
   take). On the Chrysler seal these holes appear on the front side of 
   the seal instead of the backside.
   
   The seals work fine aside from the slight astethic difference. My 
   experience with them is that they get soft when the sun bakes on 
   the roof of the car and they tear easily around the bend near the 
   top of the A post. My recollection is that I paid about $60 each 
   for the seals, and at that price they are disposable. Installation 
   is easy and obvious.
   
   I don't have the minivan model number handy as I am at work -- 
   someone else likely knows it off the top of their head. 
   Incidentally, I have heard that there is a new Ford minivan seal 
   that_is_ an exact match of the DeLorean seal with the weep holes on 
   the right side, but have no experience with it nor do I have any 
   specific information on it.
   
   
                                                Knut Grimsrud
                                                DOA Chapter 41

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From: SCiszek(AT)aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 12:39:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Door seals

>I've heard it mentioned that a Chrysler minivan rear hatch seal is
>identical to a DeLorean door seal.  Has anyone confirmed this?  I'm
>interested in replacing a door seal, but I can't get one from Chrysler
>without knowing the specific model and year of minivan.  Anybody know this
>valuable information?

     Any year Dodge Caravan or Pylmouth Voyager rear door seal is 
acceptable,
pick any one you like.
                                          -Scott Ciszek

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From: stormrider(AT)socketis.net
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:39:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Matching Door Seals

Considering the discussion on door seals here the last few days, I thought
I would throw my two cents in as well. My 1981 may have the original seals
still.
They are thick and robust compared to the seals on another DeLorean that I
had the opportunity to see last month. The seals on the other one had been
replaced with a flimsy rubber seal off another vehicle (possibly minivan
seals?) and did not look as sharp or possibly even as watertight.

Thsi is just my opinion. I'll contact the other owner to see if he would
like to voice his opinion also.

~ Chase



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From: stormrider(AT)socketis.net
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:41:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: VIN 15xx DeLoreans

Hey, I was just curious how many people on this list have 1981 DeLoreans 
in
the VIN 1500 to 1599 range? I know of at least three people, including
myself (#1529), so far. This range of 100 cars (if 100 were built) seems 
to
have survived fairly nicely considering their representation on the 
mailing
list.

~ Chase



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From: James Espey, mikasa(AT)goodnet.com
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 21:31:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: DMC-News, One Year Later...

August 16th marks the first anniversary of the DeLorean Mailing List. The 
first issue (http://www.goodnet.com/~mikasa/dml001.html) went out to just 
10 subscribers. One year and 154 issues later  we have 277 subscribers to
both the "live" and "digest" versions of the list.

The DeLorean Mailing List will never be as big as some of the other 
auto-related lists out there, but I think by and large we have more depth 
and breadth in our content than any other list out there I've seen. 
That's a credit to you, the subscribers and contributors to DMC-News. 

As I look back over the past year, and it's been a rather eventful one 
for me, the one thing that I could always count on being there (whether I 
liked it or not, though most times I did) was the mailing list. I'm 
looking forward to meeting some of the participants at the Expo later 
this month in Nashville, as I did last year in Las Vegas. 

Thanks to all of you for the fun (and the occasional frustration) that 
this list has given me. I hope that each of you, in some way, gets 
something useful out of it also.

James Espey, Moderator
DMC-News, The DeLorean Mailing List

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From: James Espey, mikasa(AT)goodnet.com
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:22:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Parts needed...

I'm looking for the following parts - if you have any of these to sell, 
please email me with your asking price. Thanks!

P/N       Qty   Description                  Parts Manual Page/Item #
106356     1    Engine Cover Sliding Block   8-4-4/10
106115     1    Unicap M4                    8-3-0/27
108738     4    Cap, Wheel Emblem            6-5-0/6 (black w/silver DMC)
110520     1    Fusebox Cover                3-7-4/2
101638     1    Heated Rer Window Switch     3-6-2/27
100790     1    Rear Side Marker Lens        3-5-1/1
108120     1    Battery Strap w/buckle       3-1-0/11
108200     1    Muffler Bracket RH TOP       1-5-0/28

I'm only interested in original parts, so even though most of the 
DeLorean shops market a stronger, improved muffler bracket (for example), 
I'd rather have an original. Thanks!

James

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From: mikasa(AT)goodnet.com
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:38:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Support the list - Part #1

About once a week or so, a subscriber emails me just to say thanks for 
putting this list together. More often that not, that person has found 
something in the back issues that has helped them out, or sometimes it's 
just someone with a passion for the DeLorean, but not the ability to own 
one, and this list brings them a little closer to the car. Most of us can 
relate to that, I think.

Many times that person will ask if there is a way they can compensate me 
for this, and I always say "No, this list is the work of many people, not 
just me". I often jokingly ask if they have a sister who might like to 
learn how to polish stainless, but that's a whole other subject.   ;)

Coming next week, there'll be a way ANYONE can support the list, and get 
a 
really nice DeLorean item in the process. Watch this space for details...

James Espey
Moderator, DMC-News

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From: Mpeak(AT)aol.com
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 11:08:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Finally it's mine!

Now that I finally have an e-mail account other than that from my school, 
I
am very happy to be back on the mailing list.  After four years of deep
yearning, I am pleased to announce that as of friday 8/9, I am the proud 
new
owner of VIN #4428, a 1981 beauty in near show car condition, less than 
10,000
one owner miles, original NCT's, and non-cracking leather.  I am extremely
happy about my new car especially since I have been such an extreme
enthusiast for quite a long time.  I do have to admit that I have this car
(especially in this condition) much sooner in my life than I thought I 
would.
 But I've been working hard for quite some time and prices out here in
California (once negotiations begin) are much lower than I expected.  In 
my
search for a Delorean in the past four monthes, I have seen four cars.  
One
was used and slightly abused for under 9k.  Another was rarely used and 
not
abused for 10k.  And then there were the two that I was deciding between.
 One was a 1983 with 17k miles, always garaged and covered, custom 
sunshades,
all records, slight leather and interior wear which I could have obtained 
for
under $11,000.  And then there was mine with almost no cosmetic defects 
and
extremely low miles which I bought, after three monthes of negotiations 
and
low-balling, for $12,000 (he was asking $16,500).
I chose the '81 over the '83 because I have a passion for the '81's and 
due
to the extra pampering and attention to detail the car had received over 
the
'83.  Because I did this, though, I realize that I will have more problems
than I would have had with the '83, but this is one of the things that
attracted me to the '81.  My first couple of problems actually have 
already
occurred and I was wondering if I could get some advice from other owners 
out
there.  First of all, I am concerned about fuel contamination.  The car 
was
barely driven and has spent much time stored.  The owner said that the car
never had more than half of a tank while being stored but I want to find 
out
if the car is safe to drive without damaging the fuel system.  Any
suggestions on how to do it and what to do if there is contamination?  Are
there any other problems I should definately fix on the car (problems that
cause damage to the car, not reliability problems) before driving it?
I was looking through the engine on the car and noticed the car has an 
80amp
Ducillier alternator.  Sombody correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the
early '81's came with a 65 amp Ducillier.  Did DMC replace the 65 amp 
with an
80 amp Ducillier?  Is the 80 amp as faulty as the 65 amp (or is the 80 amp
the only faulty one)?
A big problem I am having with the car is keeping the cabin cool.  The 
car is
out of freon (I have a can but nobody will install it), the middle two 
vents
don't work, the two windows don't roll down (I think cable snapped 
because I
hear motor noises when I press the buttons.  Do I need to replace motor 
and
cables or only cables?)  Does anybody know why the middle two vents don't
work?  Also, every once in a while the air fans just stop for a couple of
seconds, sometimes minutes, then it goes back on again by itself.  Any
suggestions on solving these problems would be greatly appreciated.
Another minor inconvience is the material over the driver seat droops and
rubs me on the head.  Any temporary suggestions for keeping this out of 
the
way?  Where and how much does it cost to have it reglued?
Currently I am taking summer auto shop classes at a nearby community 
college.
 Last night I had the opportunity to conduct a manifold vacuum test, which
the car passed flawlessly, and part of a compression test but ran into
difficulties when I couldn't find the distributor power source (nothing a
little time and familiarity won't cure).  The funny thing about taking the
car into the shop is the amount of attention it gets.  Now I had heard 
from
other owners on the mailing list stories about heads being turned, but it 
is
very wierd having it happen to me.  Students from my class, students from
other classes, and instructors alike each took their turn inspecting the 
car
and staring at the engine and interior.  Many people ask me how I can 
afford
this.  "Don't these run about $50,000?" (One person I was talking to on 
the
street thought they were over $100k!!!)  An especially funny reacurring 
event
occurred because I had the licence plate and black plastic frame off the 
car
(I washed the car earlier in the day).  People who were unfamiliar with 
the
car would ask "what kind of car is this?"
"A Delorean," I would respond.
After a couple of seconds of silence they would follow up with "is it 
new?"
"No," I would respond."  It's fifteen years old.
Although I take this compliment to be a compliment to my particular car's
condition, I also think it reflects how well the car has held up over 
time.
 Guigiaro's styling is absolutely beautiful and competes with exotics of
today.  The styling and ergonomics of the car not only were ahead of their
time in '81, but I feel they are unsurpassed even today.  There is no 
other
interior of any other car for which I feel is as comfortable and 
pleasurable
as the Delorean's.
One other comment which I liked was from a British student who had just 
moved
here five monthes ago.  "Wow," he said in a harsh British accent.  "Do you
mind if I sit in it just so I can say I've sat in a Delorean?  We don't 
see
many of these in Britain"  How ironic is it that many of the people that
funded the car have never seen one?
One last question (for now)I would like to ask other owners is where do 
you
buy your parts from?  Which shop do you find has most knowledgable and
courteous assistance, superior product quality, value, etc.?

Thanks in advance to everyone who responds and I am sure as I learn more
about the car I will be able to do the same for you.

Matt Peak
Mpeak(AT)aol.com

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