Wednesday, 21 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 157 In this issue: Re: Things you hear when you drive your DeLorean Re: Matchbox size DeLoreans! Commentary on cutout electrical symptoms DMC VIN numbers Re: Things you hear when you drive your DeLorean NAPA Oil filter #1307 NO lower control arm bushing / alignment / frame rust FS: BTTF 1/24 Scale Model Alternate Alternator Replacment for DMC-12 DMC "Chilton"? Brakes easy to replace? Difference between original DMC and today's DMC? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Things you hear when you drive your DeLorean The thing I hear the most often (seems like every day) is: "A DeLorean! I haven't seen one of those in years!" Some of these people have the impression that the streets were once teeming with DeLoreans, like Volkswagon Bugs. The funniest thing was this little boy who very politely asked me if I would please take him back in time so he could meet Abraham Lincoln. He planned to ask Honest Abe if he could try on that big stovepipe hat. I once had a total stranger offer to introduce me to myself, because the DeLorean parked in my driveway had obviously caught his attention a few times. He said: "Hey, I know this guy on 130th street with a DeLorean like yours. I should introduce you to him sometime." I said: "Well, that guy you 'know' is me." - -Mike Substelny ------------------------------ From: time(AT)Traveller.COM Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Matchbox size DeLoreans! We also carry this particular item in our catalog. We've got over 50 = of them left, and plan on taking them to the Nashville show. They are = indeed "plain" DeLoreans, without the BTTF additives. Anyone wishing to = purchase before August 30th, please email us for price & postage. To Be Continued... Stephen M. Clark, President Back to the Future=99...The Fan Club 11101 Cardinal Drive Madison, AL 35758-5803 Voice/Fax: (205) 230-6288 E-mail: time(AT)traveller.com URL: http://www.traveller.com/~bttf/ ------------------------------ From: dstall(AT)trib.net Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Commentary on cutout electrical symptoms To whom it may help. I've been working on an intermittent problem with the DMC-12 just suddenly dying. Symptoms: there is no current to the starter or ignition when ignition key is turned, in in about 3 minutes power comes back on and the car can be started and it runs fine. this occurs generally with a full load of power being used, ac etc. I've found two circuit breakers in the area of the fuses behind the passengers seat compartment that are a 25 amp (uses space lug connectors)and 30 amp breaker (two screws ca. 1/2" long) held in place with a small clip. Each circuit breaker is about 3/8 x 3/4". The DMC part book calls for a 35 amp breaker that is in reality the 30 amp breaker. No parts house I've found has a 35 amp, so I replaced the 30amp with a 40 amp and it seems this is a cure. The cutout problem was somewhat aggrivated by the ac fan motor replacement. I haven't been able to find the breakers in the poor circuit diagram in the service book. Do you know of any other source for a better circuit diagram for the DMC? My copy doesn't have a key for the components. I also had to replace the two 1 1/4" "ell" hoses going to the thermostat housing because one sprang a small leak and the would utlimately get low on water. I found a 1 1/4" water hose shaped like a streached out "S" about 14" long that I cut into two pieces about 4" long that fit perfectly and also replaced the thermostat wiht one from NAPA for the Volvo while I was in there anyway. The thermostat has a small ball valve that allows air to flow upward when the pressure is not being generated by the water pump. Pretty neat consideration on how to get air out of the thermostat housing. I'm in agreement that the replacement seal is not a good replacement part. There is also a listing in the replacement parts for a seal from a Ford station wagon rear door that was better; I got it by mistake after ordering the replacement seals from a DeLorean supply house. Thanks for opportunity for interchanges. DaveS ------------------------------ From: kevinmac(AT)iconn.net Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: DMC VIN numbers This is an authorized breakdown of delorean vin numbers from delorean world '81 6539 cars VIN 649 and up (first 500 crash tested at Belfast) VIN 520-648 were test vehicles for DOT and EPA in the U.S. and were destroyed or disassembled after completion. [DeLorean World Vol.4-#4] '82 1126 cars VIN 10000 and up '83 918 cars VIN 15000 and up 143 cars VIN 20000 and up ********************************** COMPUTER SOLUTIONS LTD. *Clinton/Gore 96* WEB PAGE AUTHORING Kevin MacDougall Kevinmac(AT)iconn.net Http://www.iconn.net/kevinmac ********************************** The packet goes out the modem, into the copper, out the router, onto the fiber, across the world, thru the copper............ NOTHING BUT NET. ------------------------------ From: stormrider(AT)socketis.net Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Things you hear when you drive your DeLorean >I once had a total stranger offer to introduce me to myself, >because the DeLorean parked in my driveway had obviously >caught his attention a few times. He said: "Hey, I know this >guy on 130th street with a DeLorean like yours. I should >introduce you to him sometime." Mike: Oh yeah, been there, done that in a town of only 35,000 people. People will say they know they've seen another red DeLorean in town and later realize it's mine. Otherwise, I'd be moving to another city to be 'unique' once again. That is one of the biggest obstacles keeping me from selling my DeLorean. I hate the thought of someone nearby buying it and then seeing it on the street regularly or hearing about it from others. I like having a 'one of a kind' here in Jefferson City, Missouri. ~ Chase ------------------------------ From: Blarness(AT)aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: NAPA Oil filter #1307 NO NAPA lists oil filter part #1307 as being the direct replacement for the 1981-83 DMC-12 with the Volvo 2.8 L engine. The same parts catalog lists this filter for the 81-83 2.8 L Volvo cars also. Well, I don't know about the rest of you but my Delorean has an oil pressure sensor or something oil gauge related right next to the mounting surface that does NOT allow NAPA part #1307 to mount because of the large diameter of this filter. So in desperate need of a filter (immediately) and not having any originals on hand, I took the advise of someone else on this list (I can't remember who right off) and inspected a filter from a Lexus SC400. Well, it is a bit smaller than the originals but it mounts perfectly and should work in the absence of an original filter for the time being. I haven't had a problem with this filter yet. I did buy the "NAPA Gold" filters which I understand are of a better quality than typical oil filters. Either way I only spent a meager one or two dollars less for the NAPA part and because of this plan on buying originals in the future. The hassle of buying the wrong filters will be worth the extra dollar or two to me. *Too bad the reality of the situaltion is that the original filters they sell are MORE than a few dollars extra over any others you find. And right now I don't buy the story about them being any better. They just fit right. Which is to me good enough. - -C2 #3876 ------------------------------ From: J Ferrara, sundiver(AT)hellfire.dusers.drexel.edu Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: lower control arm bushing / alignment / frame rust It seems that the bushing in one of my front lower control arms where it mounts to the frame has come loose, allowing the control arm to slide forward a bit and hit the frame. I guess this is a bad thing. I imagine at the least its not doing good things for the alignment. Does anyone know how that bushing is supposed to be held in place? Removing the lower control arm isnt a problem (been there, done that) but Im not sure what to do to the bushing to keep it from sliding out of place again. Has anyone done their own alignment? Any suggestions on where a backyard mechanic can purchase tools for making the measurements? Also, what is the recommended way to treat frame rust. Ive got one spot of rust that I want to deal with before it spreads. Normally Id sand and paint, but Im wondering if you have to do anything special because of the epoxy coating. Thanks. - - J ------------------------------ From: John K, jhk(AT)sonic.net Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: FS: BTTF 1/24 Scale Model To all interested parties: I have one BTTF 1/24 delorean model for sale Manufactured by IMX Corporation. Made in JAPAN Still in Shrink Wrap Package. Looks like a nice detailed model. BRAND NEW IN BOX $35 + $4 (S/H) ONLY 1 LEFT! email: jhk(AT)sonic.net ------------------------------ From: D.L.Stalling, dstall(AT)trib.net Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Alternate Alternator Replacment for DMC-12 Another brief report on electrical options for the DMC-12. While restoring the car, I had the rear facsia off and took off the alternator to have it checked by a very good rebuilder of electrical components (starters and alternators) D&H Rebuilders here in Columbia, MO. My alternator was made by Motorola and the report was that diodes in the diode assembly were separated and the alternator could not be repaired because these diodes were no longer available. Rather than maintain an alternator that couldn't be economically rebuilt ca. $75, I obtained a blank casting for a Delco alternator and cut off the aluminum lug that fastens the tension bar to the alternator flush with the curve of the shell and relocated this part of the casting to the same position as that of the Motorola lub (about 7:00o'clock). I had this piece welded onto the aluminum cast housing by a really good welding shop and then cleaned up the weld and case by brushing it with a fine metal brush and a high speed hand grinder. I then took the case back to H&H Rebuilders and they put in a new high amp alternator core and pulley. I then made a flat "Y" shaped bracket from 1/8" steel plate. This mounting bracket bolted to the smaller alternator bolts holding the alternator body together and a 1/2" pipe was welded to the plate that spaced out to the mounting space on the head of the motor. The alternator voltage regulator wire was connected to the charging terminal and the alternator had an idiot light output that readily connected tothe charging indicator leading to the dash light. It works really great and the alternator can be readily rebuilt or a new core can be obtained anywhere parts are sold. I could furnish a drawing of the adapter bracket to anyone that might be interested in this solution. DaveS. email: dstall(AT)mail.trib.net ------------------------------ From: starman(AT)cnj.digex.net Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: DMC "Chilton"? Hi all, Was there ever a Chilton-type manual for the DMC-12? Mike ------------------------------ From: starman(AT)cnj.digex.net Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Brakes easy to replace? Hi all, I've fixed disc brakes on a '72 Dodge Dart and an '83 Nissan Stanza. Are the '81 DMC-12's brakes just as easy to replace? What is the recommended replacement part? Mike ------------------------------ From: starman(AT)cnj.digex.net Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Difference between original DMC and today's DMC? Hi all, The DMC that advertizes in Delorean World seems to use the same logo as the original DMC. Is it the same company in a different form, or a different company that 'bought' the name? Mike ------------------------------ End of dmcnews-digest V2 #157 *****************************
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