DeLorean Mailing List - 08/21/96

Wednesday, 21 August 1996     Volume 02 : Number 157

       In this issue:
        Re: Things you hear when you drive your DeLorean
        Re: Matchbox size DeLoreans!
        Commentary on cutout electrical symptoms
        DMC VIN numbers
        Re: Things you hear when you drive your DeLorean
        NAPA Oil filter #1307 NO
        lower control arm bushing / alignment / frame rust
        FS: BTTF 1/24 Scale Model
        Alternate Alternator Replacment for DMC-12
        DMC "Chilton"?
        Brakes easy to replace?
        Difference between original DMC and today's DMC?


Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:30:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Things you hear when you drive your DeLorean

The thing I hear the most often (seems like every day) is:
"A DeLorean!  I haven't seen one of those in years!"

Some of these people have the impression that the streets
were once teeming with DeLoreans, like Volkswagon Bugs.

The funniest thing was this little boy who very politely asked
me if I would please take him back in time so he could meet
Abraham Lincoln.  He planned to ask Honest Abe if he could
try on that big stovepipe hat.

I once had a total stranger offer to introduce me to myself,
because the DeLorean parked in my driveway had obviously
caught his attention a few times.  He said: "Hey, I know this
guy on 130th street with a DeLorean like yours.  I should
introduce you to him sometime."

I said: "Well, that guy you 'know' is me."

- -Mike Substelny


From: time(AT)Traveller.COM
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:01:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Matchbox size DeLoreans!

We also carry this particular item in our catalog.  We've got over 50 =
them left, and plan on taking them to the Nashville show.  They are =
"plain" DeLoreans, without the BTTF additives.  Anyone wishing to =
before August 30th, please email us for price & postage.

To Be Continued...

Stephen M. Clark, President
Back to the Future=99...The Fan Club
11101 Cardinal Drive
Madison, AL  35758-5803
Voice/Fax: (205) 230-6288
E-mail:    time(AT)


From: dstall(AT)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:30:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Commentary on cutout electrical symptoms

To whom it may help.

        I've been working on an intermittent problem with the DMC-12 just
suddenly dying.  Symptoms: there is no current to the starter or ignition
when ignition key is turned, in in about 3 minutes power comes back on and
the car can be started and it runs fine.  this occurs generally with a 
load of power being used, ac etc. I've found two circuit breakers in the
area of the fuses behind the passengers seat compartment that are a 25 amp
(uses space lug connectors)and 30 amp breaker (two screws ca. 1/2" long)
held in place with a small clip.  Each circuit breaker is about 3/8 x 
The DMC part book calls for a 35 amp breaker that is in reality the 30 amp
breaker.  No parts house I've found has a 35 amp, so I replaced the 30amp
with a 40 amp and it seems this is a cure. The cutout problem was somewhat
aggrivated by the ac fan motor replacement.  I haven't been able to find
the breakers in the poor circuit diagram in the service book.  Do you know
of any other source for a better circuit diagram for the DMC? My copy
doesn't have a key for the components.

        I also had to replace the two 1 1/4" "ell" hoses going to the
thermostat housing because one sprang a small leak and the would 
get low on water.  I found a 1 1/4" water hose shaped like a streached out
"S" about 14" long that I cut into two pieces about 4" long that fit
perfectly and also replaced the thermostat wiht one from NAPA for the 
while I was in there anyway. The thermostat has a small ball valve that
allows air to flow upward when the pressure is not being generated by the
water pump.  Pretty neat consideration on how to get air out of the
thermostat housing.

I'm in agreement that the replacement seal is not a good replacement part.
There is also a listing in the replacement parts for a seal from a Ford
station wagon rear door that was better; I got it by mistake after 
the replacement seals from a DeLorean supply house.

Thanks for opportunity for interchanges.


From: kevinmac(AT)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:43:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: DMC VIN numbers

 This is an authorized breakdown of delorean vin numbers from delorean 
'81  6539 cars VIN 649 and up (first 500 crash tested at Belfast)
                  VIN 520-648 were test vehicles for DOT and EPA in the 
                  and were destroyed or disassembled after completion.
                                             [DeLorean World Vol.4-#4]
   '82  1126 cars VIN 10000 and up
   '83   918 cars VIN 15000 and up
         143 cars VIN 20000 and up
     COMPUTER SOLUTIONS LTD.  				*Clinton/Gore 96*	
        Kevin MacDougall
The packet goes out the modem, into the copper, out the router,
    onto the fiber, across the world, thru the copper............


From: stormrider(AT)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:43:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Things you hear when you drive your DeLorean

>I once had a total stranger offer to introduce me to myself,
>because the DeLorean parked in my driveway had obviously
>caught his attention a few times.  He said: "Hey, I know this
>guy on 130th street with a DeLorean like yours.  I should
>introduce you to him sometime."


Oh yeah, been there, done that in a town of only 35,000 people. People 
say they know they've seen another red DeLorean in town and later realize
it's mine. Otherwise, I'd be moving to another city to be 'unique' once

That is one of the biggest obstacles keeping me from selling my DeLorean. 
hate the thought of someone nearby buying it and then seeing it on the
street regularly or hearing about it from others. I like having a 'one of 
kind' here in Jefferson City, Missouri.

~ Chase


From: Blarness(AT)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:43:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: NAPA Oil filter #1307 NO

NAPA lists oil filter part #1307 as being
the direct replacement for the 1981-83
DMC-12 with the Volvo 2.8 L engine.

The same parts catalog lists this filter 
for the 81-83 2.8 L Volvo cars also.

Well, I don't know about the rest of you
but my Delorean has an oil pressure sensor
or something oil gauge related right next to 
the mounting surface that does NOT allow 
NAPA part #1307 to mount because of the
large diameter of this filter.

So in desperate need of a filter (immediately)
and not having any originals on hand, I took
the advise of someone else on this list (I can't 
remember who right off) and inspected a filter 
from a Lexus SC400.  

Well, it is a bit smaller than the originals but 
it mounts perfectly and should work in the 
absence of an original filter for the time being.
I haven't had a problem with this filter yet.

I did buy the "NAPA Gold" filters which I understand
are of a better quality than typical oil filters.
Either way I only spent a meager one or two dollars
less for the NAPA part and because of this plan on 
buying originals in the future.  The hassle of buying 
the wrong filters will be worth the extra dollar or two
to me.  *Too bad the reality of the situaltion is that
the original filters they sell are MORE than a few dollars
extra over any others you find.  And right now I don't 
buy the story about them being any better.
They just fit right.  Which is to me good enough.

- -C2


From: J Ferrara, sundiver(AT)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:59:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: lower control arm bushing / alignment / frame rust

    It seems that the bushing in one of my front lower control arms
where it mounts to the frame has come loose, allowing the control arm
to slide forward a bit and hit the frame. I guess this is a bad thing.
I imagine at the least its not doing good things for the alignment.
Does anyone know how that bushing is supposed to be held in place?
Removing the lower control arm isnt a problem (been there, done that)
but Im not sure what to do to the bushing to keep it from sliding out
of place again.

    Has anyone done their own alignment? Any suggestions on where
a backyard mechanic can purchase tools for making the measurements?

    Also, what is the recommended way to treat frame rust. Ive got
one spot of rust that I want to deal with before it spreads. Normally
Id sand and paint, but Im wondering if you have to do anything
special because of the epoxy coating.


- - J


From: John K, jhk(AT)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:39:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: FS: BTTF 1/24 Scale Model

To all interested parties:

I have one BTTF 1/24 delorean model for sale
Manufactured by IMX Corporation. Made in JAPAN
Still in Shrink Wrap Package. Looks like a nice
detailed model.  BRAND NEW IN BOX $35 + $4 (S/H)
ONLY 1 LEFT!  email: jhk(AT)


From: D.L.Stalling, dstall(AT)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:46:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Alternate Alternator Replacment for DMC-12

Another brief report on electrical options for the DMC-12.  While 
the car, I had the rear facsia off and took off the alternator to have it
checked by a very good rebuilder of electrical components (starters and
alternators) D&H Rebuilders here in Columbia, MO.  My alternator was made
by Motorola and the report was that diodes in the diode assembly were
separated and the alternator could not be repaired because these diodes
were no longer available.  Rather than maintain an alternator that 
be economically rebuilt ca. $75, I obtained a blank casting for a Delco
alternator and cut off the aluminum lug that fastens the tension bar to 
alternator flush with the curve of the shell and relocated this part of 
casting to the same position as that of the Motorola lub (about
7:00o'clock).  I had this piece welded onto the aluminum cast housing by a
really good welding shop and then cleaned up the weld and case by brushing
it with a fine metal brush and a high speed hand grinder.  I then took the
case back to H&H Rebuilders and they put in a new high amp alternator core
and pulley.  I then made a flat "Y" shaped bracket from 1/8" steel plate.
This mounting bracket bolted to the smaller alternator bolts holding the
alternator body together and a 1/2" pipe was welded to the plate that
spaced out to the mounting space on the head of the motor.  The alternator
voltage regulator wire was connected to the charging terminal and the
alternator had an idiot light output that readily connected tothe charging
indicator leading to the dash light.  It works really great and the
alternator can be readily rebuilt or a new core can be obtained anywhere
parts are sold.

I could furnish a drawing of the adapter bracket to anyone that might be
interested in this solution.

email: dstall(AT)


From: starman(AT)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:49:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: DMC "Chilton"?

Hi all,
	Was there ever a Chilton-type manual for the DMC-12?



From: starman(AT)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:16:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Brakes easy to replace?

Hi all,
	I've fixed disc brakes on a '72 Dodge Dart and an '83 Nissan
Stanza. Are the '81 DMC-12's brakes just as easy to replace? What is the
recommended replacement part?



From: starman(AT)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:16:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Difference between original DMC and today's DMC?

Hi all,
	The DMC that advertizes in Delorean World seems to use the same
logo as the original DMC. Is it the same company in a different form, or a
different company that 'bought' the name?



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