DeLorean Mailing List - 08/23/96


Friday, 23 August 1996       Volume 02 : Number 158

       In this issue:
        Doorlock solenoid:
        URL to visit, DMC identity, brakes, manual
        Lower control arm bushings and VIN numbers
        Re: Original DMC and Today
        Re: Doorlock solenoid:
        DMC VIN numbers
        New Subsciber
        Re: Today's DMC?
        Re: DMC "Chilton"?
        Dan Baisley's RC model idea
        Service manual
        NJ Owners?
        moving to LA
        Re: moving to LA
        LOWERING CAR

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From: mcaction(AT)usa.pipeline.com
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:49:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Doorlock solenoid:

What part of what car could I use to replace the automatic 
door lock solenoid? Where can I get it in Los Angeles? 
 
Thanx, Matt

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From: SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:50:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: URL to visit, DMC identity, brakes, manual

I just got a tip on a new page to visit.  It is a Volvo home
page, which includes a long list of junkyards from all over
which specialize in Volvos.  It also includes a list of
performance shops from all over that specialize in
turbochargers and other upgrades for Volvo engines and
power trains.  Check out:

http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/g414/sten0013/volvoindex.html

Some answers for Mike:

DMC:
I think there are actually two DeLorean World advertisers with
the initials DMC, and neither one is the original DeLorean
Motorcars Company started by John Z. DeLorean.  The one
that uses a similar "DMC" logo is Stephen Winn's Houston
operation which was formerly part of DeLorean One.  The
closest you can come to contacting the original factory is
Kapac, which sells only factory original parts (made in the
early 80's) and does not advertise anywhere.  On the other
hand, DMC's Stephen Winn, DeLorean One's Ed Bernstein,
PJ Grady's Rob Grady, and the other DeLorean World
advertisers are as close as you can come to original factory
expertise.  They also stock various parts that are superior to
the originals.

Brakes:
The DeLorean brakes are power assist discs all around.  As
long as you get the correct parts they should be no more
difficult than most disc brakes (actually easier than some
Jaguars).

Manuals:
There was never a Chilton manual for the DeLorean, but the
factory put out a nice service manual and a parts manual for
dealers' service departments.  They both came loose-leaf in
thick binders.  I have both and they are very valuable to me.

BTW, Mike, what's your last name?  I keep getting your
posts confused with my own!

- -Mike Substelny


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From: Knut_S_Grimsrud(AT)ccm.jf.intel.com
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:51:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Lower control arm bushings and VIN numbers

kevinmac(AT)iconn.net writes:

> This is an authorized breakdown of delorean vin numbers from
> delorean world
>
> '81  6539 cars VIN 649 and up (first 500 crash tested at Belfast)
>               VIN 520-648 were test vehicles for DOT and EPA in
>               the U.S. and were destroyed or disassembled after
>               completion.
>                                       [DeLorean World Vol.4-#4]
> '82  1126 cars VIN 10000 and up
> '83   918 cars VIN 15000 and up
>       143 cars VIN 20000 and up

This is taken directly (cut and paste) from my FAQ. It contains some
inaccuracies that are currently being adressed in the updated FAQ.
I don't claim that this list is "authorized" in any way by the DOA
or DeLorean World magazine and likely is not.



J Ferrara, sundiver(AT)hellfire.dusers.drexel.edu writes:

> It seems that the bushing in one of my front lower control arms
> where it mounts to the frame has come loose, allowing the control
> arm to slide forward a bit and hit the frame.
   
I just finished replacing those same bushings on my car this last 
weekend. The original bushing consists of inner and outer metal 
sleeves separated by vulcanized rubber. The rubber adheres to the 
metal sleeves and everything is held in place. When the bushing 
gets shot the rubber often de-vulcanizes from the metal sleeve 
(usually the inner one) and the control arm subsequently slips 
back and forth over the sleeve and adjacent mounting. I had the 
exact same condition on my car.

Lower bushings are hard to find replacements for. Most DeLorean 
shops you call will advise you to purchase a complete rear upper 
control arm (which comes with bushings in it) and have the 
bushings pressed out (the rear arm uses the same bushings as the 
front lower control arm). An easier approach is to call DeLorean 
Motor Cetner (yes, the ones that everyone seems to like to harp 
on) and purchase a set of reproduction bushings. Incidentally, I 
have found that DeLorean Motor Center remanufactures several 
hard-to-find or nonexistent parts including the bushings, lower 
ball joints, and fuel pump boots and cover seals.

The procedure is a real mess and usually implies taking the 
springs out and separating the steering knucle from the ball 
joints. This separation process often damages the balljoint cover 
boots (as well as the ball joints themselves) depending on how 
badly the tapered balljoint ends are frozen in the steering 
knuckle. I used a pickle fork to separate them and I don't know of 
any other better way.

Getting the bushing out of the arm is also a trick and likely 
requires the services of a maching shop with a good press.

If your lower bushings are shot it is likely time to take a close 
look at the other bushings and wearable parts. Since you've got it 
all apart anyways it is a good opportunity to replace other parts 
as well. When re-assembling you should replace the hardware as 
reasonable. Use good grade (grade 8) hardware.

                                        Knut Grimsrud
                                        DOA Chapter 41


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From: deneb(AT)denebcorp.com
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:20:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Original DMC and Today

In Issue #157 Mike writes:

>Hi all,
>	The DMC that advertizes in Delorean World seems to use the same
>logo as the original DMC. Is it the same company in a different form, or a
>different company that 'bought' the name?
>
>Mike

DMC of Texas is not the same DMC that produced the car.  DMC is the new 
name of the shop run by Stephen Wynn formerly known as DeLorean One.  As 
I understand, Stephen obtained permission from John D. to use the name.

Bryan Pearce

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From: Don_Gowler-CFPO01(AT)email.mot.com
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:08:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Doorlock solenoid:

Message authorized by:
    : mcaction(AT)usa.pipeline.com(AT)INTERNET at #EMAIL

I have never heard of a replacement for the door lock solenoid but you 
may only 
need to rewind it to make it work.  Look back through 'DeLorean World' a 
couple 
of issues ago where I have an article on how to do it.

Regards,       The Silver Fox
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Subject: Doorlock solenoid:
From:    dmcnews-approval(AT)world.std.com(AT)INTERNET at #EMAIL
Date:    8/21/96  1:49 PM

What part of what car could I use to replace the automatic
door lock solenoid? Where can I get it in Los Angeles?

Thanx, Matt

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From: Kevin MacDougall, kevinmac(AT)iconn.net
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:49:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: DMC VIN numbers

  I just put it exactly as I found it because there has been a thread for
quite some time on VIN #s.Buy the way anybody know of a "D"for 15-20,000 
in
the northeast US (NY-maine)
any help appreciated

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        Kevin MacDougall
       Kevinmac(AT)iconn.net	 	
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From: Dan Baisley, gt7116a(AT)prism.gatech.edu
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:50:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: New Subsciber

After reading all the back issues of dmcnews, I decided to subscribe and
introduce myself.

My name is Dan Baisley, and I am in my Junior year in the Aerospace
Engineering program at Georgia Tech. I do not currentlt own a DeLorean,
but I have firm plans to buy one as soon as I graduate and get a steady
job. I first became infatuated with the Deloran in High School. Many of
you may not know this, but Rob Grady, of P.J. Grady in Sayville, NY, has
a brother who owns a custom truck accessory shop accross the street from
the DeLorean shop. My father, who still lives in NY, had ordered some
parts for his truck and we drove out to pick them up. I spent the entire
time he was in the truck shop in awe of the DeLoreans. A few weeks
later, we drove back to talk to Rob Grady about the feasability of
owning and maintaining one. He took me for a ride (no way was he going
to let some 17 year old kid dirve one.) in a white one, and I was
hooked. Every time I am at home, I stop by to see whats up. When I was
home this July, he mentioned that he was considering setting up a web
page eventually, and asked me if any of the other DeLorean specialists
had web pages. I even offered to write the web page for him. (Discount
on a future purchase????)

Since I won't be in a position to buy one for at least 2 years, I
figured I should learn as much as I could now. I have checked Stainless
Steel Illusion out of our research library, and will read it as soon as
I get past midterms.

Does anyone know if there is or ever was a 1/10 scale RC car body made
of a DeLorean? I would love to build one on BoLink wide chassis. It
might even pay off to look into having one made if we could get enough
people together who would want one. I'll have to check wiht some RC
buddies on that one.


Gotta run,

Dan Baisley.

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From: Chase Clark, stormrider(AT)socketis.net
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:59:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Today's DMC?

DMC in Houston is legally DeLorean Motor Company and owns the rights to 
the
logo and everything, according to my information. The former Houston 
branch
of DeLorean One purchased the rights to all this around 1 to 2 years ago
and now goes by DMC.

~ Chase



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From: Chase Clark, stormrider(AT)socketis.net
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:59:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: DMC "Chilton"?

> Was there ever a Chilton-type manual for the DMC-12?

No. The only manual is the factory service manual that was put together. I
believe this was done before manufacture actually began, and therefore is
not a great book for diagnosing problems and technical advice, but is more
like and instructional manual on where things are and how to 
remove/replace
them. I may be wrong, however, as I do not have, nor have I seen, the
service manual yet.

Personally, I have the DMC parts manual and find it to be illustrated so
well and the car designed nicely, that I don't need the service manual. 
One
of my goals [dreams] is to eventually put together a better service 
manual,
but that may be five years or more away.

~ Chase



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From: SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:39:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Dan Baisley's RC model idea

I have been "toying" with that idea for years.  I have friends in
the plastics business, and if I had the artistic talents to
sculpt the DeLorean shape from wood or clay I could get a
limited run made cheap.  RC bodies would be vacuum formed
from styrene, PVC, or ABS, like many RC bodies are. 
Unfortunately, the sculptor I know does not work in such a
large size and I cannot afford to hire a pattern shop for such
a small project.

I have also considered making an HO scale DeLorean body
for slot car racing.  My sculptor friend might be able to
handle that one.  Would anyone be interested in a plastic HO
DeLorean slot car body?

- -Mike Substelny


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From: SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:39:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Service manual

Chase said:
>The only manual is the factory service manual that was put
>together. I believe this was done before manufacture
>actually began, and therefore is not a great book for
>diagnosing problems and technical advice . . .

He is probably correct.  My service manual does explain a lot
about how the car is designed (including a wonderful chaper
on the theory and physics of air conditioning) but does not
really include much diagnostics or troubleshooting.  My car
is an early '81, and the manual describes it almost exactly. 
Later cars may not be as well represented in the manual.

Chase also said that the parts manual is good.  I totally
agree, as the illustrations in that manual are excellent.  I feel
that just owning both manuals adds to my car's value by
making it more attractive to prospective buyers.  If Chase
puts together a better service manual I want to be on the top
of the list to get one of those, too!

- -Mike Substelny


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From: starman(AT)cnj.digex.net
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:48:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: NJ Owners?

Hi all,
	Hopefully by the time the Monday issue comes out, I'll be a DMC
owner. I'd like to know if there are other DMC owners in the state of NJ.
I know that there are no Chapters in this area, but it would be nice to
have a network of local owners.

Mike
starman(AT)cnj.digex.net


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From: ShrtCrt(AT)aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:45:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: moving to LA

I am moving to LA next summer and I am visiting out there in December and 
was
wondering what Delorean stuff is out there and if there are any owners out
there that can give me an idea of the cost of living. I am moving to go 
to a
better school. Also what are Deloreans going for in California dn what do 
you
pay for insurance. Have fun at the expo. I Would go but I have to move 
into
school on the 1st. Thank you and sorry for using the list for this. 
Justin

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From: Henry Breer, HBreer(AT)ix.netcom.com
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 02:38:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: moving to LA

ShrtCrt(AT)aol.com wrote:
> 
> I am moving to LA next summer and I am visiting out there in December and
> was wondering what Delorean stuff is out there and if there are any owners
> out there that can give me an idea of the cost of living. I am moving to
> go to a better school. Also what are Deloreans going for in California
> and what do you pay for insurance. Have fun at the expo. I Would go but
> I have to move into school on the 1st. Thank you and sorry for using the
> list for this.
> Justin

Justin

The primary market for DeLoreans was Southern California.  Based on DOA 
membership numbers verses the total number of cars produced, there are 
probably 800 to 1,000 cars in the southern half of the state.  

Two of the major service centers are located here:  DeLorean One (in 
Chatsworth, in the San Fernando Valley) and DeLorean Motor Center (in 
Garden Grove, near Disneyland).

DeLorean Owners Association Chapter 12 is very active.  Contact the 
chapter co-ordinator, Ray Haug (E-mail: Raymond_Haug(AT)lamg.com) The 
chapter is planning to participate in the Palm Springs Festival of Lights 
Parade on December 7th.

The Board of Directors of the DOA meets once a month (usually the first 
Sunday) at the Peterson Automotive Museum, corner of Wilshire Blvd and 
Fairfax, at 2:00 PM.  Drop in and meet us.

Now for the bad part.  Cost of living is HIGH.  Cost of insurance is 
HIGH.  I pay about $1,000 per year insurance for my "D", but it is 
insured as a limited mileage, secondary vehicle, not my primary vehicle, 
I am 50, and our kids live away at school.

When your plans for December are firm, drop us a line.  Maybe we can 
meet.

Hank & Mimi Breer
DOA Board

PS  What School?   :>)

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From: Don Gowler-CFPO01, Don_Gowler-CFPO01(AT)email.mot.com
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:01:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: LOWERING CAR

I personally did my own DeLorean lowering.  I would suggest you cut off 2 
complete rings from the bottom.  Grind about 1/2 of the cut end so it is 
flat 
and parallel to the top rings.  Facing the wheel well position the cut 
end at 
the 7:00 o'clock (AM or PM) position in it's resting spot.  So on the 
left, 
drivers, side it points somewhat forward and on the passenger side it 
points 
somewhat backwards.

Don't forget that you may also want to change shocks - see my earlier 
E-Mail.

Also, if you are going to also lower the back you may want to try what I 
did.  
Have a machine shop carefully cut a new groove in the shock about 1 and 
1/2 
inches below the old cut and just reassemble it.  No change in ride 
dynamics as 
you don't cut the spring and it's lower, which looks much better.  Also 
remember 
you need to cut away a little of the aluminum guard underneath as the 
drive 
train will rub it when lowered."

I wanted to be sure that who ever wanted this info in fact got it.

Thanks and best regards,        The Silver Fox
 

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