Friday, 23 August 1996 Volume 02 : Number 158 In this issue: Doorlock solenoid: URL to visit, DMC identity, brakes, manual Lower control arm bushings and VIN numbers Re: Original DMC and Today Re: Doorlock solenoid: DMC VIN numbers New Subsciber Re: Today's DMC? Re: DMC "Chilton"? Dan Baisley's RC model idea Service manual NJ Owners? moving to LA Re: moving to LA LOWERING CAR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mcaction(AT)usa.pipeline.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Doorlock solenoid: What part of what car could I use to replace the automatic door lock solenoid? Where can I get it in Los Angeles? Thanx, Matt ------------------------------ From: SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: URL to visit, DMC identity, brakes, manual I just got a tip on a new page to visit. It is a Volvo home page, which includes a long list of junkyards from all over which specialize in Volvos. It also includes a list of performance shops from all over that specialize in turbochargers and other upgrades for Volvo engines and power trains. Check out: http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/g414/sten0013/volvoindex.html Some answers for Mike: DMC: I think there are actually two DeLorean World advertisers with the initials DMC, and neither one is the original DeLorean Motorcars Company started by John Z. DeLorean. The one that uses a similar "DMC" logo is Stephen Winn's Houston operation which was formerly part of DeLorean One. The closest you can come to contacting the original factory is Kapac, which sells only factory original parts (made in the early 80's) and does not advertise anywhere. On the other hand, DMC's Stephen Winn, DeLorean One's Ed Bernstein, PJ Grady's Rob Grady, and the other DeLorean World advertisers are as close as you can come to original factory expertise. They also stock various parts that are superior to the originals. Brakes: The DeLorean brakes are power assist discs all around. As long as you get the correct parts they should be no more difficult than most disc brakes (actually easier than some Jaguars). Manuals: There was never a Chilton manual for the DeLorean, but the factory put out a nice service manual and a parts manual for dealers' service departments. They both came loose-leaf in thick binders. I have both and they are very valuable to me. BTW, Mike, what's your last name? I keep getting your posts confused with my own! - -Mike Substelny ------------------------------ From: Knut_S_Grimsrud(AT)ccm.jf.intel.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Lower control arm bushings and VIN numbers kevinmac(AT)iconn.net writes: > This is an authorized breakdown of delorean vin numbers from > delorean world > > '81 6539 cars VIN 649 and up (first 500 crash tested at Belfast) > VIN 520-648 were test vehicles for DOT and EPA in > the U.S. and were destroyed or disassembled after > completion. > [DeLorean World Vol.4-#4] > '82 1126 cars VIN 10000 and up > '83 918 cars VIN 15000 and up > 143 cars VIN 20000 and up This is taken directly (cut and paste) from my FAQ. It contains some inaccuracies that are currently being adressed in the updated FAQ. I don't claim that this list is "authorized" in any way by the DOA or DeLorean World magazine and likely is not. J Ferrara, sundiver(AT)hellfire.dusers.drexel.edu writes: > It seems that the bushing in one of my front lower control arms > where it mounts to the frame has come loose, allowing the control > arm to slide forward a bit and hit the frame. I just finished replacing those same bushings on my car this last weekend. The original bushing consists of inner and outer metal sleeves separated by vulcanized rubber. The rubber adheres to the metal sleeves and everything is held in place. When the bushing gets shot the rubber often de-vulcanizes from the metal sleeve (usually the inner one) and the control arm subsequently slips back and forth over the sleeve and adjacent mounting. I had the exact same condition on my car. Lower bushings are hard to find replacements for. Most DeLorean shops you call will advise you to purchase a complete rear upper control arm (which comes with bushings in it) and have the bushings pressed out (the rear arm uses the same bushings as the front lower control arm). An easier approach is to call DeLorean Motor Cetner (yes, the ones that everyone seems to like to harp on) and purchase a set of reproduction bushings. Incidentally, I have found that DeLorean Motor Center remanufactures several hard-to-find or nonexistent parts including the bushings, lower ball joints, and fuel pump boots and cover seals. The procedure is a real mess and usually implies taking the springs out and separating the steering knucle from the ball joints. This separation process often damages the balljoint cover boots (as well as the ball joints themselves) depending on how badly the tapered balljoint ends are frozen in the steering knuckle. I used a pickle fork to separate them and I don't know of any other better way. Getting the bushing out of the arm is also a trick and likely requires the services of a maching shop with a good press. If your lower bushings are shot it is likely time to take a close look at the other bushings and wearable parts. Since you've got it all apart anyways it is a good opportunity to replace other parts as well. When re-assembling you should replace the hardware as reasonable. Use good grade (grade 8) hardware. Knut Grimsrud DOA Chapter 41 ------------------------------ From: deneb(AT)denebcorp.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Original DMC and Today In Issue #157 Mike writes: >Hi all, > The DMC that advertizes in Delorean World seems to use the same >logo as the original DMC. Is it the same company in a different form, or a >different company that 'bought' the name? > >Mike DMC of Texas is not the same DMC that produced the car. DMC is the new name of the shop run by Stephen Wynn formerly known as DeLorean One. As I understand, Stephen obtained permission from John D. to use the name. Bryan Pearce ------------------------------ From: Don_Gowler-CFPO01(AT)email.mot.com Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Doorlock solenoid: Message authorized by: : mcaction(AT)usa.pipeline.com(AT)INTERNET at #EMAIL I have never heard of a replacement for the door lock solenoid but you may only need to rewind it to make it work. Look back through 'DeLorean World' a couple of issues ago where I have an article on how to do it. Regards, The Silver Fox ___________________________________________________________________________ ____ Subject: Doorlock solenoid: From: dmcnews-approval(AT)world.std.com(AT)INTERNET at #EMAIL Date: 8/21/96 1:49 PM What part of what car could I use to replace the automatic door lock solenoid? Where can I get it in Los Angeles? Thanx, Matt ------------------------------ From: Kevin MacDougall, kevinmac(AT)iconn.net Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: DMC VIN numbers I just put it exactly as I found it because there has been a thread for quite some time on VIN #s.Buy the way anybody know of a "D"for 15-20,000 in the northeast US (NY-maine) any help appreciated )|( (o o) - -----------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo----------------------------- - - COMPUTER SOLUTIONS LTD. WEB PAGE AUTHORING Kevin MacDougall Kevinmac(AT)iconn.net Http://www.iconn.net/kevinmac ------------------------------ From: Dan Baisley, gt7116a(AT)prism.gatech.edu Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New Subsciber After reading all the back issues of dmcnews, I decided to subscribe and introduce myself. My name is Dan Baisley, and I am in my Junior year in the Aerospace Engineering program at Georgia Tech. I do not currentlt own a DeLorean, but I have firm plans to buy one as soon as I graduate and get a steady job. I first became infatuated with the Deloran in High School. Many of you may not know this, but Rob Grady, of P.J. Grady in Sayville, NY, has a brother who owns a custom truck accessory shop accross the street from the DeLorean shop. My father, who still lives in NY, had ordered some parts for his truck and we drove out to pick them up. I spent the entire time he was in the truck shop in awe of the DeLoreans. A few weeks later, we drove back to talk to Rob Grady about the feasability of owning and maintaining one. He took me for a ride (no way was he going to let some 17 year old kid dirve one.) in a white one, and I was hooked. Every time I am at home, I stop by to see whats up. When I was home this July, he mentioned that he was considering setting up a web page eventually, and asked me if any of the other DeLorean specialists had web pages. I even offered to write the web page for him. (Discount on a future purchase????) Since I won't be in a position to buy one for at least 2 years, I figured I should learn as much as I could now. I have checked Stainless Steel Illusion out of our research library, and will read it as soon as I get past midterms. Does anyone know if there is or ever was a 1/10 scale RC car body made of a DeLorean? I would love to build one on BoLink wide chassis. It might even pay off to look into having one made if we could get enough people together who would want one. I'll have to check wiht some RC buddies on that one. Gotta run, Dan Baisley. ------------------------------ From: Chase Clark, stormrider(AT)socketis.net Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Today's DMC? DMC in Houston is legally DeLorean Motor Company and owns the rights to the logo and everything, according to my information. The former Houston branch of DeLorean One purchased the rights to all this around 1 to 2 years ago and now goes by DMC. ~ Chase ------------------------------ From: Chase Clark, stormrider(AT)socketis.net Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: DMC "Chilton"? > Was there ever a Chilton-type manual for the DMC-12? No. The only manual is the factory service manual that was put together. I believe this was done before manufacture actually began, and therefore is not a great book for diagnosing problems and technical advice, but is more like and instructional manual on where things are and how to remove/replace them. I may be wrong, however, as I do not have, nor have I seen, the service manual yet. Personally, I have the DMC parts manual and find it to be illustrated so well and the car designed nicely, that I don't need the service manual. One of my goals [dreams] is to eventually put together a better service manual, but that may be five years or more away. ~ Chase ------------------------------ From: SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Dan Baisley's RC model idea I have been "toying" with that idea for years. I have friends in the plastics business, and if I had the artistic talents to sculpt the DeLorean shape from wood or clay I could get a limited run made cheap. RC bodies would be vacuum formed from styrene, PVC, or ABS, like many RC bodies are. Unfortunately, the sculptor I know does not work in such a large size and I cannot afford to hire a pattern shop for such a small project. I have also considered making an HO scale DeLorean body for slot car racing. My sculptor friend might be able to handle that one. Would anyone be interested in a plastic HO DeLorean slot car body? - -Mike Substelny ------------------------------ From: SUBSTEM(AT)cesmtp.ccf.org Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Service manual Chase said: >The only manual is the factory service manual that was put >together. I believe this was done before manufacture >actually began, and therefore is not a great book for >diagnosing problems and technical advice . . . He is probably correct. My service manual does explain a lot about how the car is designed (including a wonderful chaper on the theory and physics of air conditioning) but does not really include much diagnostics or troubleshooting. My car is an early '81, and the manual describes it almost exactly. Later cars may not be as well represented in the manual. Chase also said that the parts manual is good. I totally agree, as the illustrations in that manual are excellent. I feel that just owning both manuals adds to my car's value by making it more attractive to prospective buyers. If Chase puts together a better service manual I want to be on the top of the list to get one of those, too! - -Mike Substelny ------------------------------ From: starman(AT)cnj.digex.net Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: NJ Owners? Hi all, Hopefully by the time the Monday issue comes out, I'll be a DMC owner. I'd like to know if there are other DMC owners in the state of NJ. I know that there are no Chapters in this area, but it would be nice to have a network of local owners. Mike starman(AT)cnj.digex.net ------------------------------ From: ShrtCrt(AT)aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 23:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: moving to LA I am moving to LA next summer and I am visiting out there in December and was wondering what Delorean stuff is out there and if there are any owners out there that can give me an idea of the cost of living. I am moving to go to a better school. Also what are Deloreans going for in California dn what do you pay for insurance. Have fun at the expo. I Would go but I have to move into school on the 1st. Thank you and sorry for using the list for this. Justin ------------------------------ From: Henry Breer, HBreer(AT)ix.netcom.com Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 02:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: moving to LA ShrtCrt(AT)aol.com wrote: > > I am moving to LA next summer and I am visiting out there in December and > was wondering what Delorean stuff is out there and if there are any owners > out there that can give me an idea of the cost of living. I am moving to > go to a better school. Also what are Deloreans going for in California > and what do you pay for insurance. Have fun at the expo. I Would go but > I have to move into school on the 1st. Thank you and sorry for using the > list for this. > Justin Justin The primary market for DeLoreans was Southern California. Based on DOA membership numbers verses the total number of cars produced, there are probably 800 to 1,000 cars in the southern half of the state. Two of the major service centers are located here: DeLorean One (in Chatsworth, in the San Fernando Valley) and DeLorean Motor Center (in Garden Grove, near Disneyland). DeLorean Owners Association Chapter 12 is very active. Contact the chapter co-ordinator, Ray Haug (E-mail: Raymond_Haug(AT)lamg.com) The chapter is planning to participate in the Palm Springs Festival of Lights Parade on December 7th. The Board of Directors of the DOA meets once a month (usually the first Sunday) at the Peterson Automotive Museum, corner of Wilshire Blvd and Fairfax, at 2:00 PM. Drop in and meet us. Now for the bad part. Cost of living is HIGH. Cost of insurance is HIGH. I pay about $1,000 per year insurance for my "D", but it is insured as a limited mileage, secondary vehicle, not my primary vehicle, I am 50, and our kids live away at school. When your plans for December are firm, drop us a line. Maybe we can meet. Hank & Mimi Breer DOA Board PS What School? :>) ------------------------------ From: Don Gowler-CFPO01, Don_Gowler-CFPO01(AT)email.mot.com Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 11:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: LOWERING CAR I personally did my own DeLorean lowering. I would suggest you cut off 2 complete rings from the bottom. Grind about 1/2 of the cut end so it is flat and parallel to the top rings. Facing the wheel well position the cut end at the 7:00 o'clock (AM or PM) position in it's resting spot. So on the left, drivers, side it points somewhat forward and on the passenger side it points somewhat backwards. Don't forget that you may also want to change shocks - see my earlier E-Mail. Also, if you are going to also lower the back you may want to try what I did. Have a machine shop carefully cut a new groove in the shock about 1 and 1/2 inches below the old cut and just reassemble it. No change in ride dynamics as you don't cut the spring and it's lower, which looks much better. Also remember you need to cut away a little of the aluminum guard underneath as the drive train will rub it when lowered." I wanted to be sure that who ever wanted this info in fact got it. Thanks and best regards, The Silver Fox ------------------------------ End of dmcnews-digest V2 #158 *****************************
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