DeLorean Mailing List - 07/24/97


Thursday, July 24 1997         Volume 02 : Number 262



       In this issue:
        DML: Tires Not Facing the Same Direction?
        DML: A/C
        DML: John DeLorean's address
        Re: PAINTED cars (was DML: movies featuring DMC)
        DML: Amps
        DML: AC/blower ?
        DML: Snowmass EXPO ' 97
        DML: DMC on RT34 in New Jersey/Cruise Night
        DML: Engine Cleaner?
        DML: Exhaust pipes, larger
        DML: Northern CA DeLoreans Owners
        DML: Re: No A/C to center vents & hissing A/C slelector
        DML: Re: cleaning out engine crud
        DML: Insurance coverage saga.....
        DML:Remote Control DeLorean??
        DML: Stainless steel frames
        DML: Re: Remote Controlled DeLorean
        DML: RE: Insurance coverage saga.....
        DML: DeLorean Toys.
        Re: DML: DeLorean Toys.
        DML: RE: DeLorean Toys.
        Re: DML: DeLorean Toys.
        DML: Tech-Notes
        DML: RE: Cooling fan
        DML: Bleeding
        Re: DML: Snowmass EXPO ' 97
        DML: RE: Insurance coverage saga.....
        DML: Re: Snowmass / shortsighted board
        Re: DML: Snowmass EXPO ' 97
        Re: DML: RE: Insurance coverage saga.....
        DML: Re: Tech Notes
        Re: DML: Snowmass EXPO ' 97
        DML: Ignition interchange information?
        Re: DML: Snowmass
        RE: DML: Snowmass EXPO ' 97
        DML: Further re the Expo
        DML: RE: Engine Cleaner?
        DML: RE: AC/blower ?
        DML: Re: Ignition interchange information?
        Re: DML: DeLorean Toys.
        Re: DML: DeLorean Toys.
        DML: New De Lorean Web Page
        DML: cracked dash questions

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:57:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: GullWinged(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: Tires Not Facing the Same Direction?

After fixing the inertia switch problem the other day, I noticed that my 
front tires are not in agreement with each other. When the driver's side 
tire is facing straight forward, the passenger side one if turning 
slightly outwards. Could this be a simple case of way out-of-whack front 
end alignment or am I looking at something potentially more serious here?

TIA!

Chase Clark

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 11:21:03 -0500
From: "Travis Graham" 
Subject: DML: A/C

I recently had a new compressor, accumulator, and orfice tube installed on
my DeLorean.  I was relieved that it was finally cold inside the car.  
This
morning, my A/C decided to irritate me by not blowing air through the
center vents.  I have never had this particular problem before.  Is it a
vaccum leak?...After twisting the control knob around for a while, it
started to work again.  To be specific, I experimented and found that if
the unit is off and I turn it straight to NORM, it stops blowing through
the center, but if I start it and stop on MAX, then go to NORM it works.
????? Almost no air comes out through the sides, so the center is vital. 
Also, I hear a nice hiss when I turn the car off.  What's it going to cost
me this time to fix the problem?  It is very HOT and HUMID in Nashville 
and
I would like to have a reliable A/C.
Thanks for your time and help.
Travis - TGraham999(AT)aol.com

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 12:18:18 -0500
From: "Travis H. Graham" 
Subject: DML: John DeLorean's address

I've heard so much about JZD losing his farm, etc.  Is that mailing =
address still valid?  I'd hate to send him something and never get it =
back.

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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 17:48:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Tester 
Subject: Re: PAINTED cars (was DML: movies featuring DMC)

To my knowledge no DeLoreans were painted at the factory. However, the
DeLorean dealer could have painting arranged for your car if you wanted it
another color. The main reason for painting one would be if one were
involved in a accident. Sometimes it would be cheaper to get the bodywork
done and just paint one rather than get the stainless reworked or 
replaced.
But sometimes people just like a different color. The colors I have seen 
so
far is Black, Red, Fly Yellow, Hunter Green, and White.

Scott Tester    testersd(AT)appstate.campus.mci.net
Homepage        http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/8240/DeLorean.html

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 18:19:30 -0300
From: "Joel Matos" 
Subject: DML: Amps

What is the correct amps for a D
How you mesurement? 

Joel Matos	
Puerto Rico

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Date: Sun, 20 Jul 97 23:11:24 PDT
From: "Brandon S. Moody" 
Subject: DML: AC/blower ?

I'm working on a D for a friend.  So far, everything
has been very easy to fix.  BUT, Now,  the AC
compressor clutch doesn't engage when the
mode is selected and the blower doesn't
work on any speed.  Any ideas ?  I have
already checked the fuse, I believe it was
number 10 ?  it was OK . /?????

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Date: 20 Jul 1997 23:00:44 GMT
From: Raymond_Haug(AT)lamg.com (Raymond Haug)
Subject: DML: Snowmass EXPO ' 97

DELOREAN OWNERS ASSOCIATION MEMBERS and ENTHUSIASTS

If you are planning to attend EXPO '97 in Snowmass, Colorado, and haven't
made your reservations at the Silvertree Hotel, please don't put it off 
any
longer. Our block of rooms will be held only until July 27. The hotel
expects to sell out the weekend of Aug. 29-31 due to the Jazz Festival, so
chances of getting a room at the Silvertree at the last minute are slim.

If you're ordering tickets for the Jazz Festival from the DeLorean Owners
Association, the cut-off date for that is Aug. 1.

More information may be obtained by visiting the Association Web Site 
located
at:

http://www.delorean-owners.org

Linda Porter
Activities Director

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:33:12 -0400
From: "Marc Levy"
Subject: DML: DMC on RT34 in New Jersey/Cruise Night

Hey,

I saw a DMC driving South on RT 34 Saturday afternoon around 4:30PM.  I 
was
in my 66 Mustang, it was too nice of a day to have a roof so the DMC 
stayed
home!  Anyway, is the owner of this car on the list?


Also, Anyone planning on going to this month's Freehold Cruise night in
Freehold??  Thursday July 31 I beleive is the next one.  We had 3 cars 
last
month, and received a lot of attention from the "Browsers".  A good time
was had by all.  Unless something comes up, I will be there again.

FYI, the Monmouth County Fair is this weekend, and they have a car show on
Sunday 7/27.  I will be away on a Dive trip, so will not be able to go.  I
have never entered my car there because it is a competitive show. (I dont
enjoy competitive shows, but that is another story).  There was one DMC
last year that was in poor shape, so if you wanna try a plastic trophey,
have a blast!  The show is at the fair grounds in Freehold.

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:07:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sean P Mullally" 
Subject: DML: Engine Cleaner?

I have been going over my Delorean since buying it last week. One thing I
noticed is the oil is VERY dirty. It looks like the previous owner never
changed it! I of course changed the filter and oil, but there is still 
some
cruddy reside in there. Someone suggested I use an "engine cleaner" that 
you
dump in the oil and let run for a few minutes before changing it and this 
would
help clear out that crud. But I am hesitant to put anything in the engine 
that I
am unsure of, for fear of damaging it.  Any suggestions? Is this stuff 
safe?

- -sean

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 05:18:52 -0700
From: "Murray Fisher" 
Subject: DML: Exhaust pipes, larger

In STAINLESS STEEL ILLUSION by John Lamm,  Page 111 has a paragraph 
that reads as follows:

Andy Weiss, head of the 200-member De Lorean Motor Car Club of 
Southern California,  reports that another common modification is to
replace
the 1.5-inch exhaust piping with 2.0-inch pipe, which lowers back 
pressure,
adds a bit of horsepower, ups fuel mileage somewhat, "and makes the car 
sound a lot better."

I see that these pipes are welded direct to the stainless steel muffler, 
so
that looks
like it would be a bit of chore to do.  

This article is about 15 years old now.   Has anyone done this and have 
any

report on it?

Murray    Vin 5962 /auto/gray

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:10:32 -0700
From: Scott Mueller 
Subject: DML: Northern CA DeLoreans Owners

Sunday, July 20, 1997

Three Deloreans were exhibited at the Lafayette Concours.
Scott Mueller, Lee Thompson and Dean Kimball polished there DeLoreans
and exhibited them at the show.  We would like to congratule Sandy
Bigman (A DeLorean enthusiast) for his first place win in "D" Class. 
Sandy has a beautiful 1975 Briklin.  This was Sandy's first competition.

On September 20, 1997 Sandy will be hosting a Briklin Car show in San
Ramon.  Scott, Lee and Dean are planning to attend to support our fellow
Gull-Winged Car owners.

If you would like further information,
contact Scott Mueller SAMUELLER(AT)PACBELL.NET 
or Sandy Bigman BIGMANORTHO(AT)MSN.COM

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:43:22 -0400
From: Mike Substelny 
Subject: DML: Re: No A/C to center vents & hissing A/C slelector

Travis Graham said:

> This morning, my A/C decided to irritate me by not
> blowing air through the center vents ... After twisting
> the control knob around for a while, it started to work
> again.

I think this is a minor problem.  The selector switch is
actually a complex valve, kind of like the selector switch on a
washing machine.  When you turn it to any particular
position, it sucks the air out of this line and that line, which
actuates this servo and that servo, but not these servos . . .

With age this complex valve gets a little worn.  It becomes a
bit more tricky to get the knob in exactly the right position to
draw vacuum from just the right lines.  I know mine can act
this way sometimes.  I turn it to "Norm" but the selector
stops just a little past "Norm."  The electrical contacts do
their job and the compressor & fan engage, but the valve isn't
quite lined up with the vac lines.  So my actuators stay
wherever they were before and my selector just sits there
hissing.

I just jiggle the selector for a few seconds until the hissing
stops, then the actuators do their thing.  I have heard that
you can rejuvinate an old selector by opening it up and
smearing it with a little petroleum jelly.  I don't know if this
works, though, and I am in no hurry to try it.

- - Mike Substelny

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:51:22 -0400
From: Mike Substelny 
Subject: DML: Re: cleaning out engine crud

Sean P. Mullally said:

> Someone suggested I use an "engine cleaner" that 
> you dump in the oil and let run for a few minutes before
> changing it and this would help clear out that crud. But I
> am hesitant to put anything in the engine that I am
> unsure of, for fear of damaging it.

I don't think an engine cleaner will damage anything if you
follow the directions.  But if you don't want to use it I suggest
that you put in 100% synthetic oil instead.  According to my
mechanic running a car for a few thousand miles on the the
synthetic stuff tends to really clean the crud out of an engine.
It sure worked on mine.

- -Mike Substelny

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Date: 7/21/97 4:24 PM
From: steve(AT)world.std.com, stevem(AT)digital.net
Subject: DML: Insurance coverage saga.....

Help:
If anyone has State Farm Insurance on there Deloreans, please tell me,
my insurance agent says he'll go to bat for me, if i can give him other
delorean owners that are covered by state farm...name and policy number
I got a policy last week, when i bought the car, however it's only for 6
months and will be cancelled unless i can PROVE, through my agent that
others are covered with state farm.....
Sheeeesssseeeee... what a nightmare getting insurance here in florida..
btw/ i am 47 years old, i have a safe driver license/no tickets and no
claims, yet i CAN'T get insurance. ANY HELP .....
Steve Minner
vin # 10734
stevem(AT)digital.net
///

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:41:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: NJP548(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML:Remote Control DeLorean??

Hey all,

           Is it possible to get a DeLorean to run on remote control??   I
was thinking maybe on an automatic, but if anyone has an answer to my
question, please reply to me.  Thanks
   


                                                                         
Nick

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Date: 7/21/97 6:28 AM
From: TVRUS(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: Stainless steel frames

Would like to contact the company that sells the stainless frames... also
would like a guesstimate as how much it would cost to install.

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:57:50 -0400
From: Mike Substelny 
Subject: DML: Re: Remote Controlled DeLorean

Nick asked:

> Is it possible to get a DeLorean to run on remote control??
> I was thinking maybe on an automatic, but if anyone has
> an answer to my question, please reply to me.

Possible?  Sure!  If NASA can run the Sojourner by remote
control I'm sure a DeLorean would be a piece of cake for
them.  Work by those aerospace contractors can get a little
pricey, though.

Why would anyone (in the real world) drive a DeLorean by
remote control?  Remote driving is difficult!  Whenever I drive
a radio controlled toy car I am always bumping into things.  I
wouldn't dream of doing that with my DeLorean.

- - Mike Substelny

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:15:33 -0700
From: "Chris P. Rabalais" 
Subject: DML: RE: Insurance coverage saga.....

I have FULL coverage on my Delorean here in Arizona
cost: ~$650/year

State Farm Insurance
Sam Winter Insurance Agency
(602) 496-0900

1981 Delorean
POLICY #: 528-8421-E01-03C
100/300/50 Liability
500/500 Comprehensive/Collision
Insured: Chris P and Tara L Rabalais

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:17:04 -0700
From: bpayne(AT)macnet.com (Brandon Payne)
Subject: DML: DeLorean Toys.

Does anyone know anything about getting any DeLorean toys(if any were 
made)?
Like any model cars, or Hot Wheels type cars that were made?  I found an 
old
Hot Wheels DeLorean that was a red race car but that's about it.  Thanks!

bpayne(AT)macnet.com
- ---------------Sock Monkeys have invaded your computer!---------------

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 13:15:56 -0700
From: Johnny Plunk 
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Toys.

Brandon Payne wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know anything about getting any DeLorean toys(if any were
> made)?
> Like any model cars, or Hot Wheels type cars that were made?  I found an
> old
> Hot Wheels DeLorean that was a red race car but that's about it.  Thanks!
> 
> bpayne(AT)macnet.com
> ---------------Sock Monkeys have invaded your computer!---------------
I remember a DeLorean toy in a Happy Meal at McDonalds.
It had the Doc's head from BTTF hanging out of the window
and when you rolled it back and let it go, sparks flew around
in the back. I also remember seeing a model DeLorean.
I think it was in the catolog at www.bttf.com,but I'm not sure.
- -Eric Plunk

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 13:58:16 -0400
From: "Yocom, Shannon" 
Subject: DML: RE: DeLorean Toys.

Etrl model company made BTTF DeLorean model kits after BTTF 2 came out. 
I have purchased 2 of them back in 1992.  I have compled one to the
specs of the movie w/ mr fusion and such.  But the other one remains
unfinished.  I plan to make it into a normal D w/ extra parts from past
models & parts.  I have cut the doors and am working on a hinging
mechanism for it.   I have looked all over for more Delorean models but
found nothing since 1992.

Even before 1992, somewhere around '81 as a young lad screamed and raved
untill my mom ordered a car set out of JC Penny catalog that had a
DeLorean in it.  I got two sets.  The car is neither Matchbox or Hot
Wheels.  It is a "cheeper" quality version but still good.  The doors
open.  After seeing a D in a parade when i was younger made me paint one
of my matchbox size cars red to match.
I was going to call Etrl to see if they have recently made or can order
that model from the BTTF movie, but lost the number.  
I would still like to find another model or matchbox size car.


Shannon Yocom

>----------
>From: 	bpayne(AT)macnet.com
>Reply To: 	dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
>Sent: 	Monday, July 21, 1997 1:17 PM
>To: 	dmcnews(AT)world.std.com
>Subject: 	DML: DeLorean Toys.
>
>Does anyone know anything about getting any DeLorean toys(if any were 
>made)?
>Like any model cars, or Hot Wheels type cars that were made?  I found an 
>old
>Hot Wheels DeLorean that was a red race car but that's about it.  Thanks!
>
>bpayne(AT)macnet.com
>---------------Sock Monkeys have invaded your computer!---------------
>
>

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:09:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stainlss(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Toys.

The BTTF Web Site/Fan Club and DMC Houston carries Hot Wheels size cars.
 There are also BTTF ones as well, plus a few BTTF models.  Still waiting 
for
something like a Franklin-Mint DMC.  That would be nice!


<< Does anyone know anything about getting any DeLorean toys(if any were 
 made)?
 Like any model cars, or Hot Wheels type cars that were made?  I found an 
 old
 Hot Wheels DeLorean that was a red race car but that's about it.  
Thanks! >>

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:26:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: GunkelWWW(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: Tech-Notes

>As far as I can remember, no one has ever published a
>diagram of the relay compartment on the web.  However,
>there is a nice illustration/description of it (and a lot of other
>goodies) in the DeLorean World Tech notes.  This notebook
>is available from the DOA, I think it's only about fifteen
>bucks.  You might be able to order it from their website at:
>http://www.delorean-owners.org/index.html

Which Informations are in the Tech-Notes? And how many sides does it have?
I am thinking of ordering it, but I think it is a little difficult
for a non-menber and non-american??
I am also thinking of ordering all DeLorean World Issues.
Are all important Informations from the DW in the TN??

thank you...

Markus Gunkel
Germany
GunkelWWW(AT)AOL.COM

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:21:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: GunkelWWW(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: RE: Cooling fan

Duke Bladorn wrote:

>The other day I ran over a rock and it somehow broke a blade off one of =
>the cooling fans and damaged the housing.  Strangely enough, it did no =
>damage whatsoever to the front air dam. Anyway, I can't find just a =
>cooling fan from any of the usual DMC sources and was wondering if =
>anyone knew what fan is compatible with the DeLorean or what other type =
>of car has the same type of cooling fan setup that the DeLorean has.  =
>Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!!!!

I read this in one of the last mailing lists:
someone has changed the 2xcoolingfans to something 
lifted from a Volkswagen (VW# AU-431-959-455B to be exact)

try it....

and guys...search the backissues, you will find your answers there...

Markus Gunkel
Germany
GunkelWWW(AT)AOL.COM

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:26:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: GunkelWWW(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: Bleeding

Chase wrote:

>BTW, to properly bleed the DeLorean, you need to bleed it from the water 
>pump and the radiator at the SAME time or else air might get trapped 
>inside the system.

Chase or someone else, please could you explain how to bleed the 
system at the radiator?
In my service bulletin is only the bleed screw at the waterpump 
mentioned. 
I dont know that on the waterpump is something to bleed the system??

thank you very much...

Markus Gunkel
Germany
GunkelWWW(AT)AOL.COM

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 16:36:46 -0000
From: James Espey 
Subject: Re: DML: Snowmass EXPO ' 97

>If you are planning to attend EXPO '97 in Snowmass, Colorado, and haven't

Who from the list is planning on attending the EXPO at Snowmass? I had 
planned on attending but the failure of the board to arrange a concours 
(balloon rides, horseback riding, fly fishing - this is still a car club, 
right?) and the high cost of attending such a remote event coupled with 
the expense of the EuroExpo just a month or so ago are keeping me at home 
this year. Next year's event, if it is held in Los Angeles, is more 
appealing geographically.

Whether you're going to Snowmass or not, it'd be interesting to know the 
reasons behind your decision. With approximately eleven board members 
subscribed to the list (and others reading it via non-internet 
distribution methods), maybe it would be helpful to them to know the 
reasons behind your decision. 

Don't get me wrong - there are some folks that will get a big kick out 
some of the "extracurricular" events the DOA has made available. However, 
I think the DOA is missing the largest and fastest growing segment of 
DeLorean enthusiasts - the new generation of owners.

It's obvious the face of the average DeLorean owner is changing, too bad 
the same can't be said for the faces on the DOA board.

James Espey
Owner, #10570
DOA Member #4718
DMC Member #0034

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 10:50:31 -0000
From: James Espey 
Subject: DML: RE: Insurance coverage saga.....

I, too, have State Farm Insurance...

James Espey
Policy Number: 513 9031-E25-03C
Agent: Judy Vogt (602) 396-2140
100/300/50 Liability
250/250 Comprehensive with glass/Collision

Keep us posted on how it goes!

James

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 97 16:36:40 -0000
From: Louis Weiland 
Subject: DML: Re: Snowmass / shortsighted board

James (the heretic) Espey wrote:

>However, I think the DOA is missing the largest and fastest growing 
>segment of DeLorean enthusiasts - the new generation of owners.

Judging from the "notice of nominees" letter I received from a DOA member 
a few weeks ago, it appears that (a) the board members are just going to 
be rotating chairs again this year, and (b) another large and fast 
growing segment of DeLorean enthusiasts may be those that are dropping 
out of the DOA.

It appears that DOA membership is down about 200 since the last election 
was held. How many subscribers to the DML are former DOA members?

Louis Weiland

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 21:28:33 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad(AT)cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Snowmass EXPO ' 97

Okay, James, I'll go out on a limb.

For years I wanted the DOA to come to the mountains of Colorado.  I had
hoped they would choose Steamboat Springs, not because it is my home, but
because Labor Day weekend in Steamboat is a true car nuts dream weekend.
We have Vintage car racing through the streets; we have a concours and we
honor a different marque each year.  (This year is our 15th year of such
activity - we know what we are doing!)  Obviously, this is not what the
board wanted.

Although the Expo is only 150 miles from me, and although I have driven
1000 miles to participate in DeLorean events SEVERAL times in the past 
five
years, I probably  will not be attending the EXPO.  The reason is simple 
- --
I want a CAR event, not a social event.  I am not anti-social;  but I can
find social events anytime I so desire --- DMC events should be DMC
special. (BTW, I said probably because I used to live in Southern
California and I might drive over for a day simply to renew old
acquaintances.)

I do quarrel with one of your points, James, and that is about the new
faces of the DeLorean owners.  I am a 13 year DOA member (DOA member 
number
547) and have owned a DeLorean since 1982.  I am on my second "D". I am
clearly not of the "new breed", but that doesn't mean that I don't also
want to see major changes in both the composition board and the direction
that the DOA is taking.  Age, by itself, makes one neither right nor
wrong!!!

For what it is worth, a few other DeLorean owners from the midwest have
concluded that they, too, do not want to spend the money needed to attend
the "Social Expo".  Thus, they and I will be touring New Mexico and
Colorado in early August instead of going to the Expo.  Should anyone out
there care to join us, please contact me for details - - directly, please,
not via the DML.

A final thought:  My DOA membership was up for renewal in July.  I have
received no renewal notice.  I called John Truscott a couple of weeks ago
and he said they would be mailed July 6.  I have still not received my
renewal notice.  HAVE I DONE SOMETHING WRONG BY QUESTIONING DECISIONS???

DICK RYAN
THE RAD DAD (isn't that obvious?)
DOA #547
DMC #0005
VIN #16867

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 21:03:32 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad(AT)cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: RE: Insurance coverage saga.....

Clearly, State Farm has different rules for different states -- ain't that
a bitch!  While in California, I was covered by the AAA.  When I moved to
Colorado, my coverage had to be discontinued.  As an over 50 driver with
two other cars and a clean record, I thought it would be a piece of cake.

Well, State Farm was happy to insure my new Jeep Cherokee and even provide
full coverage on my 1968 Type III Squareback VW, but on the DeLorean they
would only issue liability -- no collision, no comp, etc.

As stated earlier, the only advantage of getting older is that AARP,
through the Harford, insured my 81 DMC  for full (I mean FULL) coverage 
and
they now cover my new 83 and the rates are very competitive.  Further, 
once
covered by them for 60 days, you can not be cancelled, FOR LIFE, for any
reason other than non-payment of premium!!!

Dick Ryan
The Rad Dad
83 DMC - Black
Vin 16867











>I, too, have State Farm Insurance...
>
>James Espey
>Policy Number: 513 9031-E25-03C
>Agent: Judy Vogt (602) 396-2140
>100/300/50 Liability
>250/250 Comprehensive with glass/Collision

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:46:33 -0400
From: Mike Substelny 
Subject: DML: Re: Tech Notes

Marcus Gunkel said:

> Which Informations are in the (DOA) Tech-Notes? And
> how many sides does it have?

The Tech Notes are a notebook about 20 pages long that
contain a bunch of technical tidbits that DeLorean World
published in its first couple of years.  I refer to the Tech
Notes all the time when tinkering with my car.

> I am thinking of ordering it, but I think it is a little difficult
> for a non-menber and non-american??

A non-American should be able to order the Tech Notes.  To
my knowledge they don't contain any state secrets.  :-)
But I think you do need to join DOA to order some of the
DOA items, and the tech notes are probably among them.  I
am not sure why the DOA does this.

> I am also thinking of ordering all DeLorean World Issues.
> Are all important Informations from the DW in the TN??

I am not really qualified to say what is "important" but I think
the best technical information is in the first few issues of
DeLorean World, and duplicated in the tech notes.  I ordered
all the DW back issues and I am really happy with them. 
But I like learning about things like who was DOA Technical
Director in 1989, or what was the origin of DeLorean One. 
Stuff like that interests me.

I also like the stories and ideas. In one issue of DW Guy
Avellon talks about passing out free pictures of his DeLorean
to little kids who say "No" to drugs.  That's a great idea!

Joining the DOA cannot hurt, since you can never have too
much information available.  There is also technical
information available from the new DMC News 'Zine at the
DML / DMC News website.  Plus obviously there is a load of
technical information (and a little misinformation, some
written by me) in the DML back issues.

- - Mike Substelny

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 21:44:29 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad(AT)cmn.net
Subject: Re: DML: Snowmass EXPO ' 97

James

Mea Culpa! Mea Culpa! Mea Culpa!

AFTER I sent off my comments about the Expo, the lady who allows me to
indulge in my DeLorean excesses told me that the  renewal notice from the
DOA had arrived within the past few days.  So, I apologize for any
inference regarding my membership.  I STAND BEHIND THE REST OF MY 
COMMENTS!

DICK RYAN
THE RAD DAD
DOA MEMBER #547
DMC MEMBER #0005
VIN #16867

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 14:51:43 -0400
From: Mike Substelny 
Subject: DML: Ignition interchange information?

Can anyone tell me if the distributor cap, wires, and/or rotor
from an '82 Volvo GLE will fit on a DeLorean?  The DML back
issues seem to suggest this, but they are non-committal.

I don't desperately need these parts, but I just moved to the
other side of Cleveland and I want to start new emergency
support relationships.  I'm looking for an excuse to take the
DeLorean around and chat about it with all the clerks and
mechanics in town, and ignition parts would be a good
subject.  I want to seperate the jerks from the mechanical
geniuses.

I am 99% certain that the Eagle ignition is nothing like the
DeLorean, but I'm not sure about the Volvo.  If someone
knows the Volvo GLE ignition is NOT DeLorean
interchangeble, please let me know before I make a fool of
myself.

- - Mike Substelny

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:52:42 -0400
From: Mike Substelny 
Subject: Re: DML: Snowmass

I would love to go to Snowmass!  Patti and I had the time of
our lives in Nashville, and we were really looking forward to
repeating it in Snowmass.  I hear the Aspen area is the most
beautiful territory in America, and I would love to spend a
week or more.

But we're getting married in November.  Patti and I thought
ahead to Snowmass and put money in our budget, but we
couldn't put time in our budget!  Patti just started a new job,
which means she only gets one week of vacation this year. 
With a Honeymoon in November, any trip in October will be
impossible.

FYI our research showed that we could take a nice, romantic
train ride to Aspen in our own sleeper compartment for just a
little more money than flying.  Unfortunately the train would
take us two more days that we don't have!

Instead Patti and I are driving to the Auburn-Cord-Duesenberg
festival in Auburn, Indiana Saturday of Labor Day Weekend. 
They have the most beautiful automobile parade in the world
and it's free.  Any DMLers who can't go to Snowmass are
welcome to meet us there for a picnic and parade (they also
have one of the world's biggest super-exotic car auctions that
attracts Kings and movie stars).

Last year about 20 of my Ohio friends went to Nashville.  For
many of us the attraction was that we could drive our
DeLoreans there in less than a day.  As of last week about 8
plan to go to Snowmass.  Only one has boycotted the
Snowmass event due to the lack of a concourse (no, it's not
Dave Colley).

If the 1998 Expo is in LA I will be happy to go, but I would
rather go to Snowmass (if I want to see a big city all I have to
do is look out my window).  San Diego would be even better
than LA, but I'd rather go there in March than August.

- - Mike Substelny

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:56:01 -0500
From: "Bixby, Web" 
Subject: RE: DML: Snowmass EXPO ' 97

	James Espey Asked :
> Who from the list is planning on attending the EXPO at Snowmass? 
> 
I am going.  Why you ask?  Well it is relatively close (1 days drive
from Kansas City).  I did make some friends last year that I am looking
forward to seeing again.  I want to hear what other members of the
association have to say about the current state of affairs at the
association.  And finally, I did convince my wife to go with me (she is
a little claustrophobic in the DMC).

My first EXPO was last year in Nashville.  It was OK but not the
greatest social event I have ever been too.  I made the mistake of not
pre-registering  (and paying for) every event  and that was a mistake.
I tried to buy my way into the BBQ Banquet but it was sold out and the
Sergeant at Arms would not allow me to enter.  (But hey, he was just
doing his job.)

I should mention that I did get into the banquet and raffle through the
favor of Stephen Wynne.

So if you are planning on going, be sure to register for everything you
might have the slightest interest in attending.  They are not set up for
people to walk up to individual events and paying at the door.

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:11:43 -0600 (MDT)
From: raddad(AT)cmn.net
Subject: DML: Further re the Expo

After last night's tirade, I felt that I owed soemthing to the DOA board
members who are on this list as "lurkers" as well as to those who get this
info second hand.  It is easy to critcize without offering alternatives or
suggestions for improvement.  So, never fearing controversy, here goes!

I very recently returned for a four day car event -- The Wisconsin Sports
Car Classic.  It is 1200 miles from where I live!  I met up with four 
other
"D" owners who also went. I, and they, would go again in a heartbeat.  
Why?
Listen up!

Here's what we did in four days:

We had an evening on a drag strip.  Yes I know that "D's" aren't hot off
the line, but it was great fun to test our reaction time.  Plus, a couple
of the turbocharged cars were quite respectable.

Then, then next day we got to do a couple of laps on a very highly banked
1/2 mile track.  Believe me that the "D" with turbos can easily fishtail
even on a very steeply banked track.  I never got out of second gear and I
had my hands full.

Hey, it's not over yet!  The next day we had a couple of laps on one of 
the
most famous road courses in America --- Road America at Elkhart Lake.

And, since it was a car event, we had a concours -- peoples choice , to be
sure, but a whale of a lot of fun for all involved.

All of this with about 85 cars in attendance.  Liability, which the DOA
always seemed to use as an excuse, was obviously handled by the WSCC.

Of the 85 cars, the most fun was had by the 5 -- yes, 5 -- DeLoreans
present.  No matter where we went, we stole the show from the turbo'd
Porches, the "Italian Stallions" and the other marques.  We - the 
DeLoreans
- - made the newspapers.  We were asked to pose for next years tourist
visitor's guide.  We drew crowds.

Above all this, we -- all five D owners and our 5 wonderfully 
understanding
wives --  had a great time.  We had poker runs through the beautiful
Wisconsin countryside.  We had great, inexpensive food and drink stops.  
WE
HAD FUN IN A "CAR" ENVIRONMENT!

Oh, yes, the cost -- an exorbitant $95!!  Yes, there was our food and
lodging beyond that-- but all of the events came to a grand total of $95.
Imagine - four runs on a dragstrip complete with the christmas tree and
full race type timing  printed out so you could take home your results -
two laps on a steeply banked asphalt 1/2 mile track (the oldest in the
country) - two laps on the most famous road racing course in America - a
concours - "freebie" giveaways -  over 250 miles of back roads rally
driving - drawings for prizes where you didn't have to buy "an arms length
of tickets" - no speeches - just great fun and camaraderie with people who
love cars -- and all for $95.
Oh, now, I must be honest - I paid $5 extra for each of two pictues - one
crossing the finish line on the banked track and one showing 4 of the 5
Deloreans coming up the straight at Road America, at speed.

Come even close to that with the Expo and I suspect that it will be a 
sellout.

Oh, by the way, thanks to those to gave me an "attaboy" off line for last
night's comments.

Dick Ryan
The Rad Dad
DOA MEMBER # 547
DMC MEMBER # 0005
VIN # 16867
'83 - BLACK INT - TWIN TURBO

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:06:22 -0400
From: Rob Hook 
Subject: DML: RE: Engine Cleaner?

With the high percentage of natural rubber in the rest of the car, I 
wouldn't be surprised if the seals on the engine are strange too.  I'd 
just 
put some oil in it for a short period (500 miles) and then change it 
again. 
 Use a semi-synthetic or synthetic (if you have lots of $) to clean it 
out 
better.

- --Rob Hook

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:03:31 -0400
From: Rob Hook 
Subject: DML: RE: AC/blower ?

Turn the A/C on and then check to see if there's power to the compressor 
clutch with a test light or voltmeter.  It's the red, usually twisted 
wire 
on top of the compressor.  Second, take the connection off of the 
pressure 
switch behind the right front wheel and jump the connections in the wire 
together.  This should activate the compressor.  If so, you either have a 
bad pressure sensor (I think this is the low side) or no freon (more 
likely).  Don't leave it running that way for long as you don't want it 
running if there's no freon (or oil) in the system.  Let's see....If that 
doesn't do it, I think there's a relay for the compressor too.  Check 
that.

- --Rob Hook

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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:31:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: GullWinged(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: Re: Ignition interchange information?

>Can anyone tell me if the distributor cap, wires, and/or rotor
>from an '82 Volvo GLE will fit on a DeLorean?

Mike:

I can say that my cross-reference list does have Volvo parts listed for 
all three items, but I can NOT veriffy if they also are used in the '82 
Volvo GLE.
  
Distributor Cap:   Volvo 243923-0
Distributor Rotor: Volvo 243922-2
Spark Plug Wires:  Volvo 275683-1

Perhaps these parts numbers will help you though.

Chase Clark

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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:29:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: RazzzzD(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Toys.

About 15 years ago I went to a gift show in New York.  The Collector's 
Case,
Inc
of Rutherford Rhode Island made a pewter DeLorean.  I believe it cost me
$50.00.
I dont know if they still make it but may be it's worth looking them up.
Razzz

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 02:12:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: ATMorgan1(AT)aol.com
Subject: Re: DML: DeLorean Toys.

I would like to know more about this hot wheels red delorean?  I have 
called
hot wheels company and they told me they never produced a delorean.  Is it
possible that it was made by another company?  Maybe you could look at the
car and tell us I would be very interested.  As far as I know the only
Delorean "hot wheels" type car that was ever produced where the fast 
rolling
pace setter cars.
Thanks
Alex Morgan

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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 18:37:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: MICHAEL BABB 
Subject: DML: New De Lorean Web Page

I have just started working on a DeLorean web page.  Check it out if you
are interested.  If anybody has suggestions on what I can add, please let
me know (and since the site is on my box at work, I have no space
limitations (well almost)). Also let me know if something doesn't work or
is incorrect!

http://comp170.cditrain.com/delorean

Please simply remember, I just started work, and have much more to do,
like
make my navigational buttons look cool, etc.

Cheers,
           					     
  Michael Babb, MCSE
  Microsoft Technical Education                    
  Computer Decisions Inc.
  Phone 919.460.7604
  Alpha Pager (Raleigh) 919.389.2695  		      
  mikebabb(AT)vnet.net 

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Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:10:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: DeloreanGY(AT)aol.com
Subject: DML: cracked dash questions

If the leather or vinle on a dashboard is crackd and the dashboard isn't.
 Can you still get it redone or relined with leather without replacing the
dashboard?

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