DeLorean Mailing List - 03/20/96

Wednesday, 20 March 1996      Volume 02 : Number 090

       In this issue:
        DMC-12's in NY
        Re: Lowering
        FS: kid sized DMC replica
        Chapter 41 St. Patrick's Day
        Jerky Bricklin Drivers
        Kit kars


From: "Frederick Embden" 
Date: 18 Mar 1996 09:40:09 GMT
Subject: DMC-12's in NY

As a New York owner seeing some NY mail on the internet, Would anyone be
intrested in starting a NY or Northeast DOA chapter? Does anyone know how many
cars on the Northeast coast?


From: James Espey 
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 08:22:15 -0700
Subject: Re: Lowering

Eric -

Over the years, the DeLorean Owner's Association has published a couple 
of articles on the subject of lowering, one in Vol. 4, #2 and again in 
Vol. 4, #4. If you are a member of the Association, you can order these 
for about $5 a piece. The DeLorean Owner's Association web page 
( has a "Cumulative Table of Contents" 
that lists all the back issues. It's a small download, but requires an 
Adobe Acrobat reader. Acrobat readers are FREE from most online services 
and Adobe's web page (



From: Andy Levitt 
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 08:39:21 -0800
Subject: FS: kid sized DMC replica

I am being transferred from Sacramento to Maryland and am in the
process of lightening my load.

I have a toy DeLorean that I found at a flea market.  At one time it
was an electric powered kids car.  The motors (and the rear wheels
that they drove) are missing.  the steering wheel is missing.  The
frame is intact.  The plastic body is ok, except for some cracks
around the seat.  It has all the BTTF add-ons and decals.  It is sort
of a convertible that the kid sits in.

I was going to fix it up, but I never got around to it.  I figured
that the company that made it must have made other kids electric cars,
and I would be able to get another of their cars to use as a donor.

Anyway, I am moving in 3 weeks, and I would like to unload it.  I
don't think that this thing is worth much in the state that it is in,
but it could be a neat toy/conversation piece with some work.  So, all
you DMC owners that couldn't get the hotwheels cars, here is your
revenge!  Make me an offer!

|Andy Levitt       |  Systems Technology Division / General Systems Lab  |
|Hewlett Packard   |                         |
|Roseville, CA     |  (916) 785 - 5603                                   |
|                  |     If it doesn't kill you, it's good for you.      |


From: Knut S Grimsrud 
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 96 11:51:00 PST
Subject: Chapter 41 St. Patrick's Day

My special thanks to Chris and Dave for supporting Chapter 41 at the 
Portland St. Patrick's Day Festival. Our display was very well 
received and we likely saw as much traffic as any of the displays. I 
appreciate the support of the enthusiasic members which exerted 
considerable effort to make the show possible -- Chris drove all the 
way from the coast and Dave rented a U-Haul with trailer in order to 
bring his prized uninsured posession for the show. I hope you got it 
back home without incident.

As always, the misconceptions people have about the car amaze me. As 
the only car manufactured in Ireland in recent times, everyone in 
Ireland drives these electric powered DeLoreans which can be difficult 
to find new here in the US because of the lack of dealerships.

                                                Knut Grimsrud
                                                DOA Chapter 41


Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 11:02:18 -0800
Subject: Bricklin

	I've mentioned before, that my next car would have to be a 
Bricklin.  If I had had an equal opportunity to purchase either a DeLorean 
or a Blicklin, I would have still gone with the DeLorean first.  
	The DeLorean original is not a powerhouse, by any means.  I knew 
this when I bought it.  I'm not looking for a powerhouse, I never have, I 
have no reason to race the shuttle.  
	I love my DeLorean.  I love how it looks.  I love how it runs.  I 
love the changes I've made to it, and to hell with everyone else.
	I have my tastes, and it is not anyone elses place to judge or 
insult, just as it is not my place to do likewise.
	I personally do not like Cadillacs, or Oldsmobiles, and the like.  
I detest all Volkswagons.  I'm more prone to choose an MX6 to an RX7, and I 
would choose a Volvo Station Wagon to a Viper anyday.  I detest the look of 
the Viper....You won't find me going around insulting owners of Vipers or 
their cars.  Regardless of how I may feel about them, it is not my place to 
confront and insult them.
	It was their choice, they had their reasons.  THEY have to pay for 
it, THEY have to deal with it, THEY have to maintain it, so leave them to 

	Oh, by the way.  Before I go wasting my money...are all Bricklin 
doors so slow, and is their a way to adjust it?  What are the problems with 
the Bricklin?...Don't tell me there aren't any....ALL cars have their 



From: (Jeffrey D. Bell)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 16:32:43 -0600
Subject: Jerky Bricklin Drivers

I'm still grinning ear to ear after reading the temeritous Bricklin owner's
jerky message to Chris. I wish to show off some of my own temerity my
slagging the SRV for a bit (pros and cons versus the DMC).

           BRICKILN                DELOREAN
        plastic body            stainless steel body
        automatic doors, takes  hoist the well-balanced
           8 seconds to get in     door yourself
        front end looks like    bulldog-esque nose
           is swallowing eight
           track cassette
        Malcolm took Canadian   John took British gov't
           gov't for a ride*       for a ride

                *I'm a Canadian, so this is yet another con.

That's about it for now, maybe others have some to add?



From: (Chase Clark)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 12:22:36 -0600
Subject: Bricklin

You own a Bricklin. Have no respect for the DeLorean car. And yet you
subscribe to the DeLorean newsgroup? Oh, BTW, the gullwing doors existed
long before the Bricklin. They were used on a classic '50s Mercedes as 
as on a Corvette Stingray prototype in 1974.

The DeLorean was engineered mostly by Lotus and uses a very similar frame
and fiberglass body as the Lotus Espirit. The stainless steel panels are
hung over the fiberglass sub-body.

Whereas the DeLorean DMC-12 was a $177 million project that was designed
and engineered by some of the best minds in the automotive industry at 
time, including John Z. DeLorean, who had spent his entire life in the
automotive busienss, the Bricklin was an ill-conceived, unengineered and
poorly built vehicle made briefly by a millionaire who wanted to get into
the car business despite having absolutely no background or knowledge of
the industry.

The Bricklin and DeLorean do have one thing in common, however. The
remaining inventory of both car ventures were puchased by Consolidated
Industries (KAPAC) after the failure of each company.

Perhaps your dislike of the DeLorean is based on the fact that Bricklins
are an oddity with no forseeable collector's value, while the DeLoreans 
slowly increasing their resale value and have been given much more 
over the years than "The Brick"!?!

~ Chase Clark, owner of 1981 DeLorean VIN#1529


From: (barry cambell)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 96 12:01 PST
Subject: Kit kars

Hi, I am a teenager and was wondering if it is possible to get a high
performance delorean kit car? Thanx,
Barry Campbell


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