DeLorean Mailing List - 05/20/96


Monday, 20 May 1996        Volume 02 : Number 115

       In this issue:
        Re: Elite Cars
        Re: Fair Price? (re-sending it)
        Automobile Quarterly, Vol. 21 #2
        Re: fair price?
        The DOA, DML and me

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From: Otto Vondrak, omv6369(AT)ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 12:50:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Elite Cars

I found that book at a library book sale a few years ago... I bought it
because it had the prototype DeLorean. As I recall, the author was
convinced it woudl never reach production.
Also interesting: the multitude of neo-classical cars, and the odd "Silver
Volt" electric station wagon builint into a Buick...
Lotus Esprit, Porche 928 come to mind...
an interesting book to read...
- -Otto-

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From: Dan Berglund, gonzo(AT)mail.nwlink.com
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 15:17:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Fair Price? (re-sending it)

You said that the list got messed up so I am resending this:

On Thu, 16 May 1996, James Espey wrote:
> months (what kind of dealer is it?), I'd think they'd move a bit more on 
> the price.

  Just a local Ford dealership(the guy traded it in on an F-250 i think)
> 
> 
> Spare tire (odd looking wheel with space saver tire)
> Tool kit (behind cover in luggage compartment behind grille)
> cargo net behind seats in place in good condition
> original radio (83 should have DMC logo on cassette tape door)

  all these but, I didn't check to see if the radio worked(didin't even 
occur to me to check it)

> battery hold down strap in good condition (a missing one COULD indicate a 
> leaky battery at one time)

  err, could you tell me where the battery is?(another thing I didn't 
even think to look for

> Windows, BOTH mirrors and antenna all operate properly

  Pretty sure they work(didin't try radio though, so I don't know about 
atenna)

> Fuse box cover still in place (hard to find now)

 where's the fuse box?

> Realy cover in place and in good condition in right rear corner of engine 
> compartment

  Yep still there

> Car shifts smoothly from gear to gear both when manually shifted and 
> allowed to shift automatically

  It seemed to when I drove it

> Does the car have floormats? With the DMC logo?

  Don't think so, how much to replace?

> Headliners in good shape? Not saggy in doors or waterstained anywhere 
> else?

  Look just fine, but the center console looks like it is wrinkled(is 
this normal?)

> Is the DMC logo on all the glass in the car, including windshield?

  Pretty sure,  speaking of windows...do the little windows have it too? 
what does the rubber strip look like around the small windows(it looks 
like someone kinda just put black rubber in by hand(but it is like this 
in all four places)

> Emergency brake really HOLDS the car? Prone to failure.

  Hmmm, didn't check it(yet another thing I didn't check...

> Will they let you check the fuel pump rubber gasket and cover? If so, 
> CHECK THEM for deterioration that could indicate long periods of sitting 
> with fuel in tank and posible contamination.

  I feel dumb with this one but.... can you tell me where they are 
located?

Great! Thanks for all your help, i thought of a couple more questions:

  How much to replace the drivers side mirror?(the whole thing - it looks 
like it was broken and a quick fix was used, it has this black goop under 
the mirror, but I am pretty sure it still moves)

 how much for new struts for the doors? and do I need to buy them from a 
delorean dealer or can I get replacements at a local auto store?

About how much are replcement tires?

Thank you VERY much I really appreciate it!

Dan Berglund

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From: Bruce Benson, Delornut(AT)aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 15:20:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Automobile Quarterly, Vol. 21 #2

Automobile Quarterly Volume 21, Number 2:

Back issues of Automobile Quarterly, volume 21, number 2, which has the
exquisite photo display of the DeLorean are available for $29.95. Their
catalog # is 1-AQ-0212 and they can be contacted at 1-800-523-0236 or,
outside the U.S. at 1-610-683-8352. The FAX number is 1-610-683-3287.

delornut 

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From: James Espey, mikasa(AT)goodnet.com
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 16:10:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: fair price?

Dan wrote:

>  err, could you tell me where the battery is?(another thing I didn't 
>even think to look for

compartment behind passenger seat

> where's the fuse box?
behind passenger seat, under carpeted shelf

>> Will they let you check the fuel pump rubber gasket and cover? If so, 
>> CHECK THEM for deterioration that could indicate long periods of sitting 
>> with fuel in tank and posible contamination.
>
>  I feel dumb with this one but.... can you tell me where they are 
>located?

Remove access cover under spare tire - can't miss 'em

>Great! Thanks for all your help, i thought of a couple more questions:
>
>  How much to replace the drivers side mirror?(the whole thing - it looks 
>like it was broken and a quick fix was used, it has this black goop under 
>the mirror, but I am pretty sure it still moves)

Call one of the DeLorean parts houses - shop around, too. Prices vary 
GREATLY from shop to shop.

> how much for new struts for the doors? and do I need to buy them from a 
>delorean dealer or can I get replacements at a local auto store?

I've yet to hear of a satisfactory door strut that was obtainable 
locally. Expect to pay about $100 for a pair of new ones from a DeLorean 
shop.

>About how much are replcement tires?

Depends on what kind you get - original Goodyear NCT's are no longer made 
for the rear sizes. I just put new Yokohamas on mine from the Price Club 
here - $400 for four.

Also, does the car have any of the original paperwork with it? Owners 
manual, window sticker, etc?


James

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From: James Espey, mikasa(AT)goodnet.com
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 23:00:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: The DOA, DML and me

I run the DeLorean Mailing List as a fanatical DeLorean owner, not a 
member of the board of directors. I began the DeLorean Mailing List as a 
way of exchanging information about the car, company and man on a 
worldwide basis. I decided early on to have a moderated list (meaning 
that I must personally approve each message that you read) so that we'd 
have some sense of order. Some of you remember the disastrous period when 
the list was not moderated in which someone posted on their search for a 
used Pontiac Trans Am. The DeLorean Mailing List costs me approximately 
$15 per month and several hours of my time, all of which I am glad to 
give.

The DeLorean Mailing List is not offiliated with or sponsored by any 
DeLorean parts/service facility or any owners organization. I have been 
approached by both types, and politely declined their offers. As long as 
I am the list-owner, it will stay that way.

For those of you out there that don't know it, I am currently the ONLY 
non-California resident, under age 30 member of the DeLorean Owner's 
Association board of directors. I fly or drive to the monthly board 
meeting in Los Angeles AT MY OWN PERSONAL EXPENSE. Depending when I buy 
my plane ticket (or the cost of gas), this costs me between $80 and $160 
per month - none of which is reimbursible or tax-deductible. Generally 
one of the other board members will pick me up and take me back to the 
airport so I don't have to rent a car. (Thanks to John and Joan Truscott, 
Christa McNeill, Jack Balderston and Linda Porter!)

In my position as the Electronic Communications Director, I have some 
contact with Ed Bernstein, the current president of the DeLorean Owner's 
Association. Despite many peoples thoughts to the contrary, Ed Bernstein 
is one of the greatest assets of the Association, and at this time, there 
is no better leader or spokesperson for the Association than Ed 
Bernstein. Any talk of there being a conflict of interest with him as the 
owner of DeLorean One and the president of the DeLorean Owner's 
Association is inaccurate and insulting.

Insulting to whom, you may ask? Insulting to me, for one, and several 
other members of the DeLorean Owner's Association board. As board members 
of a corporation, we are charged with the responsibility of running the 
largest and certainly most successful DeLorean owners group in the world 
- - larger and more successful than many other non-DeLorean car clubs out 
there, too. We are legally required to see that the DeLorean Owner's 
Association in run in a legal and ethical manner. To accuse Ed Bernstein 
of ANY impropriety is to accuse the board members of complicity by 
allowing it to happen. 

A few former and present members of the Association have complained about 
certain policies of the DeLorean Owner's Association, including the fact 
that we will not distribute parts cross-reference lists, we will not 
distribute our membership list and our policies requiring quarterly 
reports and other information from the local chapters. 

To set the record straight, we will not distribute parts cross-reference 
lists because of the tremendous liability that is magnified even more so 
by the ever-litigious society we live in today. Say we recommend an oil 
filter made by "Billy Bob's Oil Filter Company of Osh Kosh". You buy one 
and install it on your car and a week or month or year later your motor 
throws a rod - the DeLorean Owner's Association could be held liable. And 
no, more often than not, disclaimers will not hold up in court.

The DeLorean Owner's Association can and does offer a listing of it's 
members and the city and states they live in (at least those who have 
authorized to the Association to release that information about them). I, 
personally, am glad that the Association does not release the membership 
lists to anyone - the last thing I need or want is more solicitations 
(junk mail) than I already receive. The DeLorean Owner's Association is a 
business, and the board is charged with running it as such. Would you 
freely distribute your company's mailing or client list to anyone who 
wanted a copy? 

Regarding "our policies" about the local chapters. In order to maintain 
our non-profit status with the IRS, all the local chapters, as affiliates 
of the DeLorean Owner's Association, must have a federal tax ID number. 
They also have to send us a quarterly report of their activities, along 
with a copy of their chapter bank statement. The policy is not "ours" as 
much as it is that of the United States Internal Revenue Service. Again, 
this is part of doing business AS A BUSINESS.

I'm often asked via email and in other ways of the single best thing 
people can buy for their DeLoreans. I'm dead serious when I say that the 
best $60 you'll EVER spend will be on membership in the DeLorean Owner's 
Association. If after becoming a member in the DeLorean Owner's 
Association, you take advantage of the fantastic collection of back 
issues of DeLorean World magazine, the entertaining and informative owner 
expos, and the local chapter activities (No chapter in your area? Why not 
start one?) you'll get your $60 back several times over.

I welcome anyone who has any questions reagrding anything I've written or 
anything else for that matter to contact me at anytime. 

James Espey (mikasa(AT)goodnet.com)
Fanatical DeLorean Owner, #10570
Moderator, DeLorean Mailing List
Electronic Communications Director, DeLorean Owner's Association
Chapter 43 Coordinator (Arizona), DeLorean Owner's Association

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